"End User License Agreements" are there for a reason.
I develop software and wouldn't want people stealing it.
There are many countries that refuse to follow ANY international laws on copyrights... You would be hard pressed to successfully sue someone from those countries.
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Know a lot of people that are very ticked at the lack of good patches and good software support from Sony Online Entertainment.
So perhaps it might have something to do with SOE.
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Not really sure what is being discussed in this thread.
Can we get a little more detail on what and who is being sued and why?
...And that was on a program I paid a couple hundred dollars for. Nice of them to let me buy something I don't even own...
What you bought was a LICENSE to use their software. The software maker owns the intellectual rights to the software they write.
In MOST cases (not all), When you BUY software you are helping the developers continue to improve their product.
If people stopped buying software and pirated it instead... a lot of really good software developers would literally starve financially.
I'm working for a friend and we are developing some very leading edge software... so for now the money is a bit scarce but that will change soon.
I like to see the software market doing well because that means fewer computer programmers are without a computer programming job.
Cause as we all know, their are millions of idiots out there ( look who is Pres. of USA )
Amazing...can't have one discussion without someone spewing out political drivel... I take it, you were one of the idiots who voted for the idiot who's put the country's deficit in "gargantuan" debts? Thats not the point. .... but... when was the last time someone spewed out political drivel in a post? Of the posts i've been watching, not many...
"I fear no enemy! For the Khala is my strength! I fear not death. For our strength is eternal!" - Fenix
thats the funniest thing i've seen in a good while, thanks for the laugh
I really hope that *insert game name here* will be the first game to ever live up to all of its pre-release promises, maintain a manageable hype level and have a clean release. Just don't expect me to hold my breath.
Originally posted by FrostFreiDen I take it, you were one of the idiots who voted for the idiot who's put the country's deficit in "gargantuan" debts? Thats not the point. .... but... when was the last time someone spewed out political drivel in a post? Of the posts i've been watching, not many...
Amazing...Now resorting to more namecalling...
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Before this thread goes totally off topic, AFAIK, the makers of Lineage I were sued for charging twice as much in Korea as those in any other country pay to play the same game. Legitimate complaint, I'd say.
Ok from what I gather we arn't even actually talking about someone sueing someone. I think we're just discussing whether we can discuss this topic or not. So by posting on this topic we prove that we can talk about this topic. Something like that.
Your type is: KAS 80% Killer 46% Achiever 40% Socializer 33% Explorer If ya can't take the PvP stay out of the combat zones! Period!
The thing about EULA's or any other agreements is this: If you are trying to screw somone with a contract, you will be found out, and the courts will rule in favor of the screwed. You can't just whip up a quick contract for somones soul and stand by it, even if the user clicks the "I agree" button.
The fatal flaw of almost every End User License Agreement for software products is simple. In almost all cases, save for a few exceptions for specific products, the customer doesn't have access to the agreement until he opens the product, thus he has less accountibility if he doesn't actually want to agree to it. Using this arguement, a person could very easily challenge a EULA that is not printed externally from the product because as a rule of thumb, it can often times very difficult to return software. I realize it is very easy to return game software to an actual game store, but let's think about the "important" software that carries EULAs more often, such as operating systems, and other "business-oriented" products.
Since game stores have also even stopped allowing returns for MMORPG products, the flaw of the EULA being inside the actual packaging of the product remains similar in theory. Yes, I have heard of accounts of people actually managing to return an openned MMORPG, but that only occurs with the extremely ignorant clerk or store manager, and such practices are beginning to be phased out starting at the district level. Although, I don't expect Wal-Mart to begin educating their clerks about it anytime soon.
In my opinion, MMORPG EULAs and Terms of Service agreements are an extreme no-man's land. It is very true that a company does hold absolute sway over a customer when making critical descisions toward their gaming, but when that power is actually challenged in a court I wouldn't say that anyone could win. Although I just presented a case in which the EULA could be found void depending on what type of software it is. Sticky stuff.
Personally, I once had a very old account banned in Ultima Online and I was never given a reason. The company completely stone-walled me afterward. (Off-topic, but to this day I feel it was a GM-abuse issue due to a run-in with a GM playing a regular character) Do I even think I had a case for a court to hear? Not at all.
Originally posted by FrostFreiDen I take it, you were one of the idiots who voted for the idiot who's put the country's deficit in "gargantuan" debts? Thats not the point. .... but... when was the last time someone spewed out political drivel in a post? Of the posts i've been watching, not many...
Amazing...Now resorting to more namecalling... Hahaha... well, you didnt disagree.....
"I fear no enemy! For the Khala is my strength! I fear not death. For our strength is eternal!" - Fenix
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Not sure if it's true or not, but I've seen alot of people saying that EULA's are useless in court.
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Amazing...can't have one discussion without someone spewing out political drivel...
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
"End User License Agreements" are there for a reason.
I develop software and wouldn't want people stealing it.
There are many countries that refuse to follow ANY international laws on copyrights... You would be hard pressed to successfully sue someone from those countries.
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Know a lot of people that are very ticked at the lack of good patches and good software support from Sony Online Entertainment.
So perhaps it might have something to do with SOE.
---
Not really sure what is being discussed in this thread.
Can we get a little more detail on what and who is being sued and why?
What you bought was a LICENSE to use their software. The software maker owns the intellectual rights to the software they write.
In MOST cases (not all), When you BUY software you are helping the developers continue to improve their product.
If people stopped buying software and pirated it instead... a lot of really good software developers would literally starve financially.
I'm working for a friend and we are developing some very leading edge software... so for now the money is a bit scarce but that will change soon.
I like to see the software market doing well because that means fewer computer programmers are without a computer programming job.
Amazing...can't have one discussion without someone spewing out political drivel...
I take it, you were one of the idiots who voted for the idiot who's put the country's deficit in "gargantuan" debts? Thats not the point. .... but... when was the last time someone spewed out political drivel in a post? Of the posts i've been watching, not many...
"I fear no enemy! For the Khala is my strength! I fear not death. For our strength is eternal!" - Fenix
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
thats the funniest thing i've seen in a good while, thanks for the laugh
I really hope that *insert game name here* will be the first game to ever live up to all of its pre-release promises, maintain a manageable hype level and have a clean release. Just don't expect me to hold my breath.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Before this thread goes totally off topic, AFAIK, the makers of Lineage I were sued for charging twice as much in Korea as those in any other country pay to play the same game. Legitimate complaint, I'd say.
Ok from what I gather we arn't even actually talking about someone sueing someone. I think we're just discussing whether we can discuss this topic or not. So by posting on this topic we prove that we can talk about this topic. Something like that.
Your type is: KAS
80% Killer
46% Achiever
40% Socializer
33% Explorer
If ya can't take the PvP stay out of the combat zones! Period!
thanks for a great reply LOL
Well most people seem to be discussing the topic.. That is all this is a topic!
Thanks to the Adm that posted, it is really nice to know that MMORPG is such a great place..
I didn't mention any company or game as my question was simply are we allowed to discuss such a topic at MMORPG.
The thing about EULA's or any other agreements is this: If you are trying to screw somone with a contract, you will be found out, and the courts will rule in favor of the screwed. You can't just whip up a quick contract for somones soul and stand by it, even if the user clicks the "I agree" button.
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The fatal flaw of almost every End User License Agreement for software products is simple. In almost all cases, save for a few exceptions for specific products, the customer doesn't have access to the agreement until he opens the product, thus he has less accountibility if he doesn't actually want to agree to it. Using this arguement, a person could very easily challenge a EULA that is not printed externally from the product because as a rule of thumb, it can often times very difficult to return software. I realize it is very easy to return game software to an actual game store, but let's think about the "important" software that carries EULAs more often, such as operating systems, and other "business-oriented" products.
Since game stores have also even stopped allowing returns for MMORPG products, the flaw of the EULA being inside the actual packaging of the product remains similar in theory. Yes, I have heard of accounts of people actually managing to return an openned MMORPG, but that only occurs with the extremely ignorant clerk or store manager, and such practices are beginning to be phased out starting at the district level. Although, I don't expect Wal-Mart to begin educating their clerks about it anytime soon.
In my opinion, MMORPG EULAs and Terms of Service agreements are an extreme no-man's land. It is very true that a company does hold absolute sway over a customer when making critical descisions toward their gaming, but when that power is actually challenged in a court I wouldn't say that anyone could win. Although I just presented a case in which the EULA could be found void depending on what type of software it is. Sticky stuff.
Personally, I once had a very old account banned in Ultima Online and I was never given a reason. The company completely stone-walled me afterward. (Off-topic, but to this day I feel it was a GM-abuse issue due to a run-in with a GM playing a regular character) Do I even think I had a case for a court to hear? Not at all.
Hahaha... well, you didnt disagree.....
"I fear no enemy! For the Khala is my strength! I fear not death. For our strength is eternal!" - Fenix