so a man walked into a bar ordered a beer then left the bar drove his car into a pole and crashed his car. The next day the man walks back into the bar and blames the bartender for getting him drunk and askes for his money back.
Thats pretty much what the op said.
He blames SV for lieing to him? when he knew he was buying/supporting an unfinished Beta from the get go.
message to those whom may not undertsand that there are other styles of mmo's then say WOW and those like it.
Not all MMOs will give you stats of their weapons. Not all MMO's will give you mob drops of gods weapon and gods armor.
Not all MMOs have detailed to do's in game spoling the beauty of finding things out for yourself.
Just a quick heads up to op MO is not a game that hands you crap! You have to figure things out for your own Hence the idea/concept of open sandbox!
Now another news flash Beta means Beta, which means basically finding and reporting bugs so that there will be less bugs at release.
I find it really funny that it took you 100 Plus hours to figure that out.
Thanks for the laughs.
For those that want something out of the ordinary and more realistic MO may be worth your time and effort.
[quote]These guys stay up ridiculous hours sometimes just to get us a patch, and the game isn't even released. Whether you like their product or not, you can't deny that these guys are devoted and truly believe in what they're making. With a team that dedicated, it's hard to believe the game might be a 'scam' as some are calling it. That's ridiculous.[/quote] so because they are working hard at creating a piece of shit makes that piece of shit extra special some how? sure they are dedicated but what the fuck does that mean when their product is still worthless? It's not ridiculous to call it a scam because thats exactly what it fucking is. They are charging people to help them test their unfinished product and did so by lying to people about what the product really was.
Okay, first of all, you're an asshole. I get it, you don't like the game, very well. Now with that said. You tell me where they listed all these incredible features that would be there, as I see it, they've been very honest about what we, as players, can expect by release. They listed what would be there in the powerpoint they put out several months ago and on the announcements about the shop. Here's the exact list they posted.
- The full Myrland continent
We've got upward of 80% by now I'd say and they add new land every patch.
- At least 9 races, male and female
9 races - Tindremene, Sarduucan, Khurite, Kallard, Sidoian, Thursar, Blainn, Sheevra and Veela - In.
- Blood mix and character customization
In.
- Main features of the skill system
Being added since last patch, likely to all be there by release.
- Full PvP, full loot
In.
- Full melee and ranged combat
In - could use some tweaking.
- Basic magic combat
In, although admittedly terrible lol. I hope they'll change it but it is in as they said, BASIC.
- Mounts and mounted combat
In.
- Basic GUI for the crafting system
They've talked a lot about it recently, I think it may be in the next patch. Crafting is in anyway.
- Resource gathering
In.
- Basic Guild mechanics
In.
- Basic player housing
In.
- Basic NPC mobs and wildlife
In.
- Hidden/secret features
In, or is it!? Dun Dun Dun...
This list was taken directly from their June 5th announcement. You can read it yourself on their homepage. They've got almost everything listed there in, or it will be soon. Even the stuff that isn't in as planned has functional place holders. They can easily get it in before release. That's not a scam. You're another whiny little kid who expected the game to have every feature they want to implement in at launch, even though they came forward and said exactly what they planned to have. Looks pretty on the level to me... Calling it a scam is ridiculous, like I said. If you're disappointed, so be it, don't call into question the credibility of a company that has been nothing but forthcoming because you're not happy with an as yet unfinished product. Grow up.
I did buy the game aswell, mostly because my guild took MO as the "next game to play".
I played it for few hours after getting access, and got so bored of it that I decided to quit playing for a while and wait for some actual content. At that time, there wasn't even a way to report bugs to beta testing wasn't possible.
After that, I've played a little after patches, but the core is still same, boring as hell. Nothing to actually do, other than raise your skills and do some basic world PvP (Which is okay though, but in a beta were characters are wiped pretty often, it doesn't really get me going).
Now I have to say, I haven't played with the most recent build (after housing), so I can't say if things have improved that much. But the overall feel is very clunky and unfinished, basicly EVERYTHING is a placeholder. Why do we need to test placeholder features? There shouldn't be need for that, or can it be that what MO got now is actually what's done about the game? For example, the actual crafting system still isn't even in beta stage, or these "epic monsters" everyone is talking about haven't even been modeled yet? What about all the fluff features that this game was supposed to have, to make it a sandbox (Something that Darkfall for example was bashed heavily about by MO fanboys)?
I played Darkfall in beta too, and it felt more like and actual game than MO does now. As I said before, overall feel of MO is VERY unfinished, everything is very rough (which is normal in beta, but not to this extent...) and there are little to none actual, final game features to even test.
That's all. I think I'll resub to Darkfall again, after the expansion. AV have been doing a pretty good job with the game for the last few months, maybe MO will get on to it's feet someday too and make steady progress
I did buy the game aswell, mostly because my guild took MO as the "next game to play".
I played it for few hours after getting access, and got so bored of it that I decided to quit playing for a while and wait for some actual content. At that time, there wasn't even a way to report bugs to beta testing wasn't possible.
After that, I've played a little after patches, but the core is still same, boring as hell. Nothing to actually do, other than raise your skills and do some basic world PvP (Which is okay though, but in a beta were characters are wiped pretty often, it doesn't really get me going).
Now I have to say, I haven't played with the most recent build (after housing), so I can't say if things have improved that much. But the overall feel is very clunky and unfinished, basicly EVERYTHING is a placeholder. Why do we need to test placeholder features? There shouldn't be need for that, or can it be that what MO got now is actually what's done about the game? For example, the actual crafting system still isn't even in beta stage, or these "epic monsters" everyone is talking about haven't even been modeled yet? What about all the fluff features that this game was supposed to have, to make it a sandbox (Something that Darkfall for example was bashed heavily about by MO fanboys)?
I played Darkfall in beta too, and it felt more like and actual game than MO does now. As I said before, overall feel of MO is VERY unfinished, everything is very rough (which is normal in beta, but not to this extent...) and there are little to none actual, final game features to even test.
That's all. I think I'll resub to Darkfall again, after the expansion. AV have been doing a pretty good job with the game for the last few months, maybe MO will get on to it's feet someday too and make steady progress
Uhm you're complaining about MO and going to DF? Will you chase crazy goblins circling around with their "advanced" AI? You're joking. Say that MO is not your type, I am fine with it. I have joined sieges in darkfall, tried to do some PvE (what a joke), and I did not like them (and I am very kind to say it in this way). PvP aspects (not in mass scale) will be cool for people as I also had good moments, but I found skill grind and repetitive game play style boring.
And yes, there is no PvE in MO at the moment. If it will stay like this on release, there will not be anything else than crafting or PvP'ing in MO, but even without PvE, there's quite a lot of things to do in MO.
so much bullshit in that presentation I don't know where to start
100+ action type skills? rofl! how about ZERO action type skills
lololol!!! 1000+ sub skills hahaha! how about less then a fucking dozen
unique one time encounters! lol right...one time encounters tied into the lore and history of the world...give me a fucking break
ruins that can be rebuilt or destroyed and NPC strongholds that can be eradicated...lol not even fucking close
142 million item combinations????? seriously? lol there isn't even 1/10th that amount in game currently
like I said, total scam...Star Vault is a bunch of frauds and idiots
and Lol Adrala, you have to be the biggest tool I've ever seen in my life
"Isnt the OP one of the guys banned for hacking?"
you're the same guy that insisted I never actually played Mortal Online and only got my opinions through watching youtube video's on the MO forums because I never linked my account to beta forums
its like you're so desperate for mortal online that you'll just completely make shit up...its seriously pathetic
and no I had nothing to do with being banned for hacking although I know you just threw that in there to try and discredit me but I can assure you that I have never hacked and I can still log in
I did buy the game aswell, mostly because my guild took MO as the "next game to play".
I played it for few hours after getting access, and got so bored of it that I decided to quit playing for a while and wait for some actual content. At that time, there wasn't even a way to report bugs to beta testing wasn't possible.
After that, I've played a little after patches, but the core is still same, boring as hell. Nothing to actually do, other than raise your skills and do some basic world PvP (Which is okay though, but in a beta were characters are wiped pretty often, it doesn't really get me going).
Now I have to say, I haven't played with the most recent build (after housing), so I can't say if things have improved that much. But the overall feel is very clunky and unfinished, basicly EVERYTHING is a placeholder. Why do we need to test placeholder features? There shouldn't be need for that, or can it be that what MO got now is actually what's done about the game? For example, the actual crafting system still isn't even in beta stage, or these "epic monsters" everyone is talking about haven't even been modeled yet? What about all the fluff features that this game was supposed to have, to make it a sandbox (Something that Darkfall for example was bashed heavily about by MO fanboys)?
I played Darkfall in beta too, and it felt more like and actual game than MO does now. As I said before, overall feel of MO is VERY unfinished, everything is very rough (which is normal in beta, but not to this extent...) and there are little to none actual, final game features to even test.
That's all. I think I'll resub to Darkfall again, after the expansion. AV have been doing a pretty good job with the game for the last few months, maybe MO will get on to it's feet someday too and make steady progress
Uhm you're complaining about MO and going to DF? Will you chase crazy goblins circling around with their "advanced" AI? You're joking. Say that MO is not your type, I am fine with it. I have joined sieges in darkfall, tried to do some PvE (what a joke), and I did not like them (and I am very kind to say it in this way). PvP aspects (not in mass scale) will be cool for people as I also had good moments, but I found skill grind and repetitive game play style boring.
And yes, there is no PvE in MO at the moment. If it will stay like this on release, there will not be anything else than crafting or PvP'ing in MO, but even without PvE, there's quite a lot of things to do in MO.
What the fuck? Way to miss the point? I see you're doing nothing but trying to bash Darkfall here, why? I didn't praise Darkfall, nor was my post full of hate towards MO. I said I'd like to see MO doing well too, but right now I don't see it's anywhere near finished product, and I don't want to waste my limited free time to beta test a game right now. As it stands right now, Darkfall has way more content that MO will have for months, and you going the very basic DF bash route with the "goblin chasing" shows just how much you actually know about the game, and are just trying to take the discussion to a place where it shouldn't go.
Let's not bring the whole MO vs. DF here, that was not my intention. I could go on and on about things MO fans said about DF back when DF had it's rough time, but I don't see that's nessesary.
EDIT: Quick edit before people starts to shout about my "not a finished product" -statement: I know it's beta, it's not supposed to be a finished product, I just meant that it has a long way to be one, too long for me to stick around for now.
so much bullshit in that presentation I don't know where to start 100+ action type skills? rofl! how about ZERO action type skills lololol!!! 1000+ sub skills hahaha! how about less then a fucking dozen unique one time encounters! lol right...one time encounters tied into the lore and history of the world...give me a fucking break ruins that can be rebuilt or destroyed and NPC strongholds that can be eradicated...lol not even fucking close 142 million item combinations????? seriously? lol there isn't even 1/10th that amount in game currently
like I said, total scam...Star Vault is a bunch of frauds and idiots
Problem with teenages is that they do not have patience and they thnik they know everything.
so much bullshit in that presentation I don't know where to start 100+ action type skills? rofl! how about ZERO action type skills lololol!!! 1000+ sub skills hahaha! how about less then a fucking dozen unique one time encounters! lol right...one time encounters tied into the lore and history of the world...give me a fucking break ruins that can be rebuilt or destroyed and NPC strongholds that can be eradicated...lol not even fucking close 142 million item combinations????? seriously? lol there isn't even 1/10th that amount in game currently
like I said, total scam...Star Vault is a bunch of frauds and idiots
Apparently you are not doing your research.
The powerpoint shows their VISION and what they AIM to achieve with the game, NOT how it will be when it launches. The features that will be in when the game is released are the following:
so much bullshit in that presentation I don't know where to start 100+ action type skills? rofl! how about ZERO action type skills lololol!!! 1000+ sub skills hahaha! how about less then a fucking dozen unique one time encounters! lol right...one time encounters tied into the lore and history of the world...give me a fucking break ruins that can be rebuilt or destroyed and NPC strongholds that can be eradicated...lol not even fucking close 142 million item combinations????? seriously? lol there isn't even 1/10th that amount in game currently
like I said, total scam...Star Vault is a bunch of frauds and idiots
and Lol Adrala, you have to be the biggest tool I've ever seen in my life "Isnt the OP one of the guys banned for hacking?" you're the same guy that insisted I never actually played Mortal Online and only got my opinions through watching youtube video's on the MO forums because I never linked my account to beta forums its like you're so desperate for mortal online that you'll just completely make shit up...its seriously pathetic and no I had nothing to do with being banned for hacking although I know you just threw that in there to try and discredit me but I can assure you that I have never hacked and I can still log in
as i recall this powerpoint has a disclaimer saying that these are their intentions and will be implemented eventually (its like the 2nd slide or something).
When you purchased the game star vault listed the features that would be in at release, scroll up a poster has already gone through those methodically to explain to you that most of them are in and the rest will likely be coming in the next 2 patches. Complaining that features arn't in that SV said wouldnt be in is pointless.
As for the number of crafting combinations currently implemented, i haven't done the math on them myself but given number of materials that can be used and the variations of the components that can be combined, i would be very surprised if the total isnt close to their million + claims.
Possible reason for the nerdrage of OP: Recently devs banned handfull of idiots that were hacking/cheating. This resulted in some of them spamming the net with some misleading infromation about MO. One of the banned dudes actually is the famous MO basher/leaker Hercules. So yeah...pathetic I know.
Well, if you take out the bashing tone from the OP, it doesn't actually have any lies or missleading information.. It might have some, I can't remember it all (And as I said, I only have experience from Block C --> House patch), but mostly it's spot on information.
Well you should not stick up for a game if it "claims" to be in beta.Beta is not some brand new project that is still in creation,Beta is a FINISHED product that may need tweaks or fixes,this sounds more like INCOMPLETE witch would barely be Alpha stage.
This alone means they should be refunding,because they outright lied if they claim this is the beta product and nothing is finished.When you are CREATING the game ,that is the creation stage that is well before Alpha,that is when you are still making things work,like the UI ect ect,still designing the maps,the textures ect ect.When you are in that phase you don't tell people to buy your BETA product,because that sends out false hope [lies] that you HAVE a working product that WILL be playable,after all that is the purpose of you buying the game,to play a decently FINISHED game.
There is not a single game ever made outside of some console games,that does receive patches and updates,it is to be expected,but when things are missing,that is not a bug or exploit,that is NOT finished.As i said a NON finished product is NOT BETA.
BETA is very simply the TESTING stage,to see if the finished product has bugs /flaws/exploits/stability issues.You of course DO NOT test something that is not there,because how could you test something that is not there? lol,impossible.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
[quote]"There's a difference between being negative/positive and lies. That guy posts lies,"[/quote] lol of course he doesn't even give one example of anything I lied about...typical fanboi retardedness [quote]These guys stay up ridiculous hours sometimes just to get us a patch, and the game isn't even released. Whether you like their product or not, you can't deny that these guys are devoted and truly believe in what they're making. With a team that dedicated, it's hard to believe the game might be a 'scam' as some are calling it. That's ridiculous.[/quote] so because they are working hard at creating a piece of shit makes that piece of shit extra special some how? sure they are dedicated but what the fuck does that mean when their product is still worthless? It's not ridiculous to call it a scam because thats exactly what it fucking is. They are charging people to help them test their unfinished product and did so by lying to people about what the product really was. Imagine it like this...one day youre reading the newspaper and you read an article about this new restaraunt and they tell you they have the most amazing food you'll ever eat in your life and tell you all the things that are going to be there and show you pictures of how amazing it looks and your mouth starts watering. You then find out the restaraunt isn't open yet but its due to open real soon and if you give a down payment youll get access to previews of the restaraunt with free samples of food for you too try as well as a spot on opening day. Ok so you give this overpriced down payment and are told the restaraunt will be opening in about 3 months. You get your free food samples and they taste like complete shit and are nothing like what you were told or shown and then you go and complain and say "wtf is this shit?" only to be told "sorry thats just the placeholder meal, its not the real thing but believe us we have the real thing and its amazing! youll just have to wait! This same exact event occurs over and over and now its been 5 months...2 months later than the restaraunt was suppose to open! You ask the restaraunt manager for a refund but you are denied...despite the fact that they broke their contract and then you are told you only want the refund because you don't like their currently unfinished product and that you have to wait for the finished one to make a real judgment. So now they are refusing to give you what you paid for and are refusing to give you you're money back. This has been exactly what Star Vault has done. WHAT THE FUCK IS A SCAM, IF THATS NOT? PLEASE TELL ME, K THX. Henrik(SV CEO) should be brought up on criminal charges and everyone should be refunded
Its more than eating 3 courses from a restaurant and drinking their fine wine and THEN complain and want a full refund. How many times have your tried that and succeed? (junkfood restaurants excluded). I would certainly not give you a full refund for that. Maybe if you complay directly at the first vourse WITHOUT eating it. People are paying for the game when released. They pay for the software (license). And just becasue it is beta and it is not a finished game, they come up with all stupid stuff and wants a refund. Good luck to keep the indie companies alive!!! We're gonna have hell of a mmo scene in the future if you all think like this.
And btw, calling it a piece of shit game. Get out of your cave and try to accomplish somehing yourself maybe? It's easy to complain hidden behind your screen and troll about all new games that not fits your need. I would like you to get as far as SV from scratch yourself. I think you had manage to day 7 and the give up because of all obstacles there is on the way if you dont have any money from start.
Well, just my point of view. Me, I'm just waiting for the polished MO which I know will fit mine and other needs. But as said, if your a noob mmo player, stick to your wow then. This is for us real hardcore gamers
"Possible reason for the nerdrage of OP: Recently devs banned handfull of idiots that were hacking/cheating. This resulted in some of them spamming the net with some misleading infromation about MO. One of the banned dudes actually is the famous MO basher/leaker Hercules. So yeah...pathetic I know."
you're a moron...I just said I wasn't banned for hacking and my account is still active you're seriously so pathetic its a joke...you're like so desperate for mortal online that you have to make wildly ridiculous assumptions it should also be noted that Hercules wasn't banned for hacking and you're full of shit
Ah nvr saw your post.
The level of nerdrage is just not normal for a person that doesnt like a game.
Reading your "review "It seems just as if the CEO of SV has killed your pregnant gf while she was on her way to get the grand prize of national lottery and then came to your house and burned it with your parents still inside while laughing his ass out...
The ammount of biased , hatefull bs is so big that I just dont have the time to address every line of your post.
Insetad I will just post a link to a good UNBIASED review of current state of MO on official MO forums.
The level of nerdrage is just not normal for a person that doesnt like a game.
Reading your "review "It seems just as if the CEO of SV has killed your pregnant gf while she was on her way to get the grand prize of national lottery and then came to your house and burned it with your parents still inside while laughing his ass out...
The ammount of biased , hatefull bs is so big that I just dont have the time to address every line of your post.
Insetad I will just post a link to a good UNBIASED review of current state of MO on official MO forums.
His account name MOLeaker must be enough hint on why he was banned....
That review describes exactly what I am testing nowadays. Definitely unbiased and I think it is touching everything missing form the game.
EDIT: If OP reads this review, he'll probably understand why his words are not accepted as unbiased, as his review reeks rage.
EDIT2: And note that this review is on the public part of the forums, viewable by everyone there. Nothing is hidden from anyone, and that's the way it is from day one
I have to agree with poster above me. This review reeks rage and is totally biased. It also shows how much players today actually do research.
I ALWAYS whenever going to spend $50+ on a game do an extensive look into what I am actually going to currently pay for. I also take into account that games can improve and sometimes can not. So you must make a calculated risk and decide if this company is pushing out more positive patches (which it seems like they do) or push out more negative patches. It is your own fault for paying for a game that you have done very little research into.
I do not believe in refunds what so ever. The only reason why someone should get a refund is because it just simply does not work at all (do not confuse this for bugs and missing content as that to me is not considered as being broken). I am talking about a product that simply does not start up.
It is like eating something you order for and knew what you were ordering. Than find out you did not like the taste of it and decide you wanted something else. Some people might have "thought" what they were ordering but obviously they did not. I could have told you what you pretty much just nerd raged about and have not played a single hour of it.
I do not see SV misleading ANYONE! They put out the patch notes and if you compare the patch notes to what is actually in-game at the moment they hold true to the letter. So please get real about this being a scam. There is so much info out there about the current state of the game. It is up to you the gamer to go and find it. If you do not it is your own fault for not knowing and not the companies fault.
I do not know how to stress how important it is to do a solid week or 2 weeks of research before making a purchase.
Well you should not stick up for a game if it "claims" to be in beta.Beta is not some brand new project that is still in creation,Beta is a FINISHED product that may need tweaks or fixes,this sounds more like INCOMPLETE witch would barely be Alpha stage. This alone means they should be refunding,because they outright lied if they claim this is the beta product and nothing is finished.When you are CREATING the game ,that is the creation stage that is well before Alpha,that is when you are still making things work,like the UI ect ect,still designing the maps,the textures ect ect.When you are in that phase you don't tell people to buy your BETA product,because that sends out false hope [lies] that you HAVE a working product that WILL be playable,after all that is the purpose of you buying the game,to play a decently FINISHED game. There is not a single game ever made outside of some console games,that does receive patches and updates,it is to be expected,but when things are missing,that is not a bug or exploit,that is NOT finished.As i said a NON finished product is NOT BETA. BETA is very simply the TESTING stage,to see if the finished product has bugs /flaws/exploits/stability issues.You of course DO NOT test something that is not there,because how could you test something that is not there? lol,impossible.
I think you have something here.
When did we get so slack and apathetic about our definitions, as gamers?
This post sort of makes me feel stupid, because....it lets me know that I have paid to Alpha test a couple of times in my past. I don't even like the idea of paying to BETA test, much less ALPHA test, and this....this looks even more extreme than that. I think you're right. Games go into beta testing when they are pretty much feature complete and those features all need testing and tweaking before release.
I have paid for games before release a few times (not something I commonly do), BUT....there's no way in hell I'm trusting some unknown developer enough to fork out 100 bucks when the game is in the state you guys are describing.
I'm starting to think this whole "pay for beta testing thing" needs to come with at LEAST the added "perk" of having ones name on the game credits somewhere as a financial contributor to game development. It's all getting a little ridiculous. lol
However the adding of new features goes quite slow at the moment considering there is about a month left till the release.
If they really think about releasing that game even within the next few months, it surely will be nothing else than an epic fail!
I described my MO-experience in another thread. To state, that the game is horrible atm, does not come even close. I admit, I only logged into it 5-6 times for a few hours each, all I saw was a static world with nothing to do. And I saw cheaters, a lot of cheaters. Several people FLYING around, jumping from roof to roof, and others One-Hitting-You (with fists) with several thousand damage points.
I can only give the advice: If you really believe that MO will ever become a good game, save your money right now, and wait for a trial.
I will never buy a game in beta again! (Reminds me of my experience with the stock market around 2000
Better now then? And regarding the account. The nick and e-mail matched. And it that account is connected to an order that is refunded it would have been wiped anyway. As long as your order is failed or refunded, the account should not be active anyways. So it was not done based on speculation my friend, and tbh, it did not matter if it was active or not since it would get blocked sooner or later anyway after the beta because of the refund.
Seriously, you work for the company? I mean, really? You banned an account, ok. You may be right to do that. That's ok too. But i cannot understand why a company representive comes and continues the thread with "lol"s and smileys. What are you, 13 year old? The funny thing is, after i watched videos of Mortal Online, i wanted to buy it. Lots of people criticized it, but i liked it. Really. But now, i hold no interest to the game. If your "answers" are like this, i began to question the company. Congrats, you just lost a customer.
Jesus! The fact is that I DON'T work for the company. I started this account here long time ago when I thought I would have the time to help MO out here on the forums. Then it did not turn out that way. But I sent them a mail regadring the "refund but still beta access" and I got a quick reply that they would look into it and fix it if there were any wrong.
Everyone knows that I despise Darkfall. So lets not even go into that.
But the OP brings some very valid points to the table.
I have been in the Friend&Family Alpha of Fallen Earth all the way into a 6 month Closed Beta.
And even the Friend & Family Alpha had a ton more content, systems and features in place then this so called Beta of Mortal Online, wich up till today still has virtual nothing ingame, except pretty environments, void of any content or features. Except some merchant NPCs, some resources and housing.
So how in earth is this game ever going to release before the end of the year or even within 6 months down the road. That's beyond me.
Possible reason for the nerdrage of OP: Recently devs banned handfull of idiots that were hacking/cheating. This resulted in some of them spamming the net with some misleading infromation about MO. One of the banned dudes actually is the famous MO basher/leaker Hercules. So yeah...pathetic I know.
ROFLMAO, I do believe your basher/leaker was the guy that offered to do the beta forums for them. I'm pretty sure he was at one time the biggest supporter of MO.
I would have to disagree that it was misleading. It may have been a bit over the top, and the commentary probably wasn't neccassary, but any sane person can just watch the vids and get a decent idea of where MO currently stands.
Possible reason for the nerdrage of OP: Recently devs banned handfull of idiots that were hacking/cheating. This resulted in some of them spamming the net with some misleading infromation about MO. One of the banned dudes actually is the famous MO basher/leaker Hercules. So yeah...pathetic I know.
ROFLMAO, I do believe your basher/leaker was the guy that offered to do the beta forums for them. I'm pretty sure he was at one time the biggest supporter of MO.
I would have to disagree that it was misleading. It may have been a bit over the top, and the commentary probably wasn't neccassary, but any sane person can just watch the vids and get a decent idea of where MO currently stands.
or you could just play the free to play open beta later...
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Wow!
so a man walked into a bar ordered a beer then left the bar drove his car into a pole and crashed his car. The next day the man walks back into the bar and blames the bartender for getting him drunk and askes for his money back.
Thats pretty much what the op said.
He blames SV for lieing to him? when he knew he was buying/supporting an unfinished Beta from the get go.
message to those whom may not undertsand that there are other styles of mmo's then say WOW and those like it.
Not all MMOs will give you stats of their weapons. Not all MMO's will give you mob drops of gods weapon and gods armor.
Not all MMOs have detailed to do's in game spoling the beauty of finding things out for yourself.
Just a quick heads up to op MO is not a game that hands you crap! You have to figure things out for your own Hence the idea/concept of open sandbox!
Now another news flash Beta means Beta, which means basically finding and reporting bugs so that there will be less bugs at release.
I find it really funny that it took you 100 Plus hours to figure that out.
Thanks for the laughs.
For those that want something out of the ordinary and more realistic MO may be worth your time and effort.
Isnt the OP one of the guys banned for hacking?
Okay, first of all, you're an asshole. I get it, you don't like the game, very well. Now with that said. You tell me where they listed all these incredible features that would be there, as I see it, they've been very honest about what we, as players, can expect by release. They listed what would be there in the powerpoint they put out several months ago and on the announcements about the shop. Here's the exact list they posted.
- The full Myrland continent
We've got upward of 80% by now I'd say and they add new land every patch.
- At least 9 races, male and female
9 races - Tindremene, Sarduucan, Khurite, Kallard, Sidoian, Thursar, Blainn, Sheevra and Veela - In.
- Blood mix and character customization
In.
- Main features of the skill system
Being added since last patch, likely to all be there by release.
- Full PvP, full loot
In.
- Full melee and ranged combat
In - could use some tweaking.
- Basic magic combat
In, although admittedly terrible lol. I hope they'll change it but it is in as they said, BASIC.
- Mounts and mounted combat
In.
- Basic GUI for the crafting system
They've talked a lot about it recently, I think it may be in the next patch. Crafting is in anyway.
- Resource gathering
In.
- Basic Guild mechanics
In.
- Basic player housing
In.
- Basic NPC mobs and wildlife
In.
- Hidden/secret features
In, or is it!? Dun Dun Dun...
This list was taken directly from their June 5th announcement. You can read it yourself on their homepage. They've got almost everything listed there in, or it will be soon. Even the stuff that isn't in as planned has functional place holders. They can easily get it in before release. That's not a scam. You're another whiny little kid who expected the game to have every feature they want to implement in at launch, even though they came forward and said exactly what they planned to have. Looks pretty on the level to me... Calling it a scam is ridiculous, like I said. If you're disappointed, so be it, don't call into question the credibility of a company that has been nothing but forthcoming because you're not happy with an as yet unfinished product. Grow up.
I did buy the game aswell, mostly because my guild took MO as the "next game to play".
I played it for few hours after getting access, and got so bored of it that I decided to quit playing for a while and wait for some actual content. At that time, there wasn't even a way to report bugs to beta testing wasn't possible.
After that, I've played a little after patches, but the core is still same, boring as hell. Nothing to actually do, other than raise your skills and do some basic world PvP (Which is okay though, but in a beta were characters are wiped pretty often, it doesn't really get me going).
Now I have to say, I haven't played with the most recent build (after housing), so I can't say if things have improved that much. But the overall feel is very clunky and unfinished, basicly EVERYTHING is a placeholder. Why do we need to test placeholder features? There shouldn't be need for that, or can it be that what MO got now is actually what's done about the game? For example, the actual crafting system still isn't even in beta stage, or these "epic monsters" everyone is talking about haven't even been modeled yet? What about all the fluff features that this game was supposed to have, to make it a sandbox (Something that Darkfall for example was bashed heavily about by MO fanboys)?
I played Darkfall in beta too, and it felt more like and actual game than MO does now. As I said before, overall feel of MO is VERY unfinished, everything is very rough (which is normal in beta, but not to this extent...) and there are little to none actual, final game features to even test.
That's all. I think I'll resub to Darkfall again, after the expansion. AV have been doing a pretty good job with the game for the last few months, maybe MO will get on to it's feet someday too and make steady progress
Beta is ment for testing a product.
Not having fun
What a weird stuff, right?
Uhm you're complaining about MO and going to DF? Will you chase crazy goblins circling around with their "advanced" AI? You're joking. Say that MO is not your type, I am fine with it. I have joined sieges in darkfall, tried to do some PvE (what a joke), and I did not like them (and I am very kind to say it in this way). PvP aspects (not in mass scale) will be cool for people as I also had good moments, but I found skill grind and repetitive game play style boring.
And yes, there is no PvE in MO at the moment. If it will stay like this on release, there will not be anything else than crafting or PvP'ing in MO, but even without PvE, there's quite a lot of things to do in MO.
if you've ever seen the powerpoint presentation you'll know why I say they are full of shit
http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/42773/t1361799-mortal-online-powerpoint-presentation/
so much bullshit in that presentation I don't know where to start
100+ action type skills? rofl! how about ZERO action type skills
lololol!!! 1000+ sub skills hahaha! how about less then a fucking dozen
unique one time encounters! lol right...one time encounters tied into the lore and history of the world...give me a fucking break
ruins that can be rebuilt or destroyed and NPC strongholds that can be eradicated...lol not even fucking close
142 million item combinations????? seriously? lol there isn't even 1/10th that amount in game currently
like I said, total scam...Star Vault is a bunch of frauds and idiots
and Lol Adrala, you have to be the biggest tool I've ever seen in my life
"Isnt the OP one of the guys banned for hacking?"
you're the same guy that insisted I never actually played Mortal Online and only got my opinions through watching youtube video's on the MO forums because I never linked my account to beta forums
its like you're so desperate for mortal online that you'll just completely make shit up...its seriously pathetic
and no I had nothing to do with being banned for hacking although I know you just threw that in there to try and discredit me but I can assure you that I have never hacked and I can still log in
Uhm you're complaining about MO and going to DF? Will you chase crazy goblins circling around with their "advanced" AI? You're joking. Say that MO is not your type, I am fine with it. I have joined sieges in darkfall, tried to do some PvE (what a joke), and I did not like them (and I am very kind to say it in this way). PvP aspects (not in mass scale) will be cool for people as I also had good moments, but I found skill grind and repetitive game play style boring.
And yes, there is no PvE in MO at the moment. If it will stay like this on release, there will not be anything else than crafting or PvP'ing in MO, but even without PvE, there's quite a lot of things to do in MO.
What the fuck? Way to miss the point? I see you're doing nothing but trying to bash Darkfall here, why? I didn't praise Darkfall, nor was my post full of hate towards MO. I said I'd like to see MO doing well too, but right now I don't see it's anywhere near finished product, and I don't want to waste my limited free time to beta test a game right now. As it stands right now, Darkfall has way more content that MO will have for months, and you going the very basic DF bash route with the "goblin chasing" shows just how much you actually know about the game, and are just trying to take the discussion to a place where it shouldn't go.
Let's not bring the whole MO vs. DF here, that was not my intention. I could go on and on about things MO fans said about DF back when DF had it's rough time, but I don't see that's nessesary.
EDIT: Quick edit before people starts to shout about my "not a finished product" -statement: I know it's beta, it's not supposed to be a finished product, I just meant that it has a long way to be one, too long for me to stick around for now.
Problem with teenages is that they do not have patience and they thnik they know everything.
My special edition was only $98. I don't know where you're getting $100+ from.
Apparently you are not doing your research.
The powerpoint shows their VISION and what they AIM to achieve with the game, NOT how it will be when it launches. The features that will be in when the game is released are the following:
- The full Myrland continent
- At least 9 races, male and female
- Blood mix and character customization
- Main features of the skill system
- Full PvP, full loot
- Full melee and ranged combat
- Basic magic combat
- Mounts and mounted combat
- Basic GUI for the crafting system
- Resource gathering
- Basic Guild mechanics
- Basic player housing
- Basic NPC mobs and wildlife
- Hidden/secret features
as i recall this powerpoint has a disclaimer saying that these are their intentions and will be implemented eventually (its like the 2nd slide or something).
When you purchased the game star vault listed the features that would be in at release, scroll up a poster has already gone through those methodically to explain to you that most of them are in and the rest will likely be coming in the next 2 patches. Complaining that features arn't in that SV said wouldnt be in is pointless.
As for the number of crafting combinations currently implemented, i haven't done the math on them myself but given number of materials that can be used and the variations of the components that can be combined, i would be very surprised if the total isnt close to their million + claims.
Possible reason for the nerdrage of OP:
Recently devs banned handfull of idiots that were hacking/cheating.
This resulted in some of them spamming the net with some misleading infromation about MO.
One of the banned dudes actually is the famous MO basher/leaker Hercules.
So yeah...pathetic I know.
Well, if you take out the bashing tone from the OP, it doesn't actually have any lies or missleading information.. It might have some, I can't remember it all (And as I said, I only have experience from Block C --> House patch), but mostly it's spot on information.
Well you should not stick up for a game if it "claims" to be in beta.Beta is not some brand new project that is still in creation,Beta is a FINISHED product that may need tweaks or fixes,this sounds more like INCOMPLETE witch would barely be Alpha stage.
This alone means they should be refunding,because they outright lied if they claim this is the beta product and nothing is finished.When you are CREATING the game ,that is the creation stage that is well before Alpha,that is when you are still making things work,like the UI ect ect,still designing the maps,the textures ect ect.When you are in that phase you don't tell people to buy your BETA product,because that sends out false hope [lies] that you HAVE a working product that WILL be playable,after all that is the purpose of you buying the game,to play a decently FINISHED game.
There is not a single game ever made outside of some console games,that does receive patches and updates,it is to be expected,but when things are missing,that is not a bug or exploit,that is NOT finished.As i said a NON finished product is NOT BETA.
BETA is very simply the TESTING stage,to see if the finished product has bugs /flaws/exploits/stability issues.You of course DO NOT test something that is not there,because how could you test something that is not there? lol,impossible.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Its more than eating 3 courses from a restaurant and drinking their fine wine and THEN complain and want a full refund. How many times have your tried that and succeed? (junkfood restaurants excluded). I would certainly not give you a full refund for that. Maybe if you complay directly at the first vourse WITHOUT eating it. People are paying for the game when released. They pay for the software (license). And just becasue it is beta and it is not a finished game, they come up with all stupid stuff and wants a refund. Good luck to keep the indie companies alive!!! We're gonna have hell of a mmo scene in the future if you all think like this.
And btw, calling it a piece of shit game. Get out of your cave and try to accomplish somehing yourself maybe? It's easy to complain hidden behind your screen and troll about all new games that not fits your need. I would like you to get as far as SV from scratch yourself. I think you had manage to day 7 and the give up because of all obstacles there is on the way if you dont have any money from start.
Well, just my point of view. Me, I'm just waiting for the polished MO which I know will fit mine and other needs. But as said, if your a noob mmo player, stick to your wow then. This is for us real hardcore gamers
Ah nvr saw your post.
The level of nerdrage is just not normal for a person that doesnt like a game.
Reading your "review "It seems just as if the CEO of SV has killed your pregnant gf while she was on her way to get the grand prize of national lottery and then came to your house and burned it with your parents still inside while laughing his ass out...
The ammount of biased , hatefull bs is so big that I just dont have the time to address every line of your post.
Insetad I will just post a link to a good UNBIASED review of current state of MO on official MO forums.
www.mortalonline.com/forums/27434-current-state-game-review.html
About Hercules.
Inever said he was banned for cheating.
I said he was one of the banned guys.
His account name MOLeaker must be enough hint on why he was banned....
Ah nvr saw your post.
The level of nerdrage is just not normal for a person that doesnt like a game.
Reading your "review "It seems just as if the CEO of SV has killed your pregnant gf while she was on her way to get the grand prize of national lottery and then came to your house and burned it with your parents still inside while laughing his ass out...
The ammount of biased , hatefull bs is so big that I just dont have the time to address every line of your post.
Insetad I will just post a link to a good UNBIASED review of current state of MO on official MO forums.
www.mortalonline.com/forums/27434-current-state-game-review.html
About Hercules.
Inever said he was banned for cheating.
I said he was one of the banned guys.
His account name MOLeaker must be enough hint on why he was banned....
That review describes exactly what I am testing nowadays. Definitely unbiased and I think it is touching everything missing form the game.
EDIT: If OP reads this review, he'll probably understand why his words are not accepted as unbiased, as his review reeks rage.
EDIT2: And note that this review is on the public part of the forums, viewable by everyone there. Nothing is hidden from anyone, and that's the way it is from day one
I have to agree with poster above me. This review reeks rage and is totally biased. It also shows how much players today actually do research.
I ALWAYS whenever going to spend $50+ on a game do an extensive look into what I am actually going to currently pay for. I also take into account that games can improve and sometimes can not. So you must make a calculated risk and decide if this company is pushing out more positive patches (which it seems like they do) or push out more negative patches. It is your own fault for paying for a game that you have done very little research into.
I do not believe in refunds what so ever. The only reason why someone should get a refund is because it just simply does not work at all (do not confuse this for bugs and missing content as that to me is not considered as being broken). I am talking about a product that simply does not start up.
It is like eating something you order for and knew what you were ordering. Than find out you did not like the taste of it and decide you wanted something else. Some people might have "thought" what they were ordering but obviously they did not. I could have told you what you pretty much just nerd raged about and have not played a single hour of it.
I do not see SV misleading ANYONE! They put out the patch notes and if you compare the patch notes to what is actually in-game at the moment they hold true to the letter. So please get real about this being a scam. There is so much info out there about the current state of the game. It is up to you the gamer to go and find it. If you do not it is your own fault for not knowing and not the companies fault.
I do not know how to stress how important it is to do a solid week or 2 weeks of research before making a purchase.
I think you have something here.
When did we get so slack and apathetic about our definitions, as gamers?
This post sort of makes me feel stupid, because....it lets me know that I have paid to Alpha test a couple of times in my past. I don't even like the idea of paying to BETA test, much less ALPHA test, and this....this looks even more extreme than that. I think you're right. Games go into beta testing when they are pretty much feature complete and those features all need testing and tweaking before release.
I have paid for games before release a few times (not something I commonly do), BUT....there's no way in hell I'm trusting some unknown developer enough to fork out 100 bucks when the game is in the state you guys are describing.
I'm starting to think this whole "pay for beta testing thing" needs to come with at LEAST the added "perk" of having ones name on the game credits somewhere as a financial contributor to game development. It's all getting a little ridiculous. lol
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
If they really think about releasing that game even within the next few months, it surely will be nothing else than an epic fail!
I described my MO-experience in another thread. To state, that the game is horrible atm, does not come even close. I admit, I only logged into it 5-6 times for a few hours each, all I saw was a static world with nothing to do. And I saw cheaters, a lot of cheaters. Several people FLYING around, jumping from roof to roof, and others One-Hitting-You (with fists) with several thousand damage points.
I can only give the advice: If you really believe that MO will ever become a good game, save your money right now, and wait for a trial.
I will never buy a game in beta again! (Reminds me of my experience with the stock market around 2000
Seriously, you work for the company? I mean, really? You banned an account, ok. You may be right to do that. That's ok too. But i cannot understand why a company representive comes and continues the thread with "lol"s and smileys. What are you, 13 year old? The funny thing is, after i watched videos of Mortal Online, i wanted to buy it. Lots of people criticized it, but i liked it. Really. But now, i hold no interest to the game. If your "answers" are like this, i began to question the company. Congrats, you just lost a customer.
Jesus! The fact is that I DON'T work for the company. I started this account here long time ago when I thought I would have the time to help MO out here on the forums. Then it did not turn out that way. But I sent them a mail regadring the "refund but still beta access" and I got a quick reply that they would look into it and fix it if there were any wrong.
So, please base you decisions on that instead ;o)
That is why I can lol and smile the much I want!
Sorry to say. But I agree too.
Everyone knows that I despise Darkfall. So lets not even go into that.
But the OP brings some very valid points to the table.
I have been in the Friend&Family Alpha of Fallen Earth all the way into a 6 month Closed Beta.
And even the Friend & Family Alpha had a ton more content, systems and features in place then this so called Beta of Mortal Online, wich up till today still has virtual nothing ingame, except pretty environments, void of any content or features. Except some merchant NPCs, some resources and housing.
So how in earth is this game ever going to release before the end of the year or even within 6 months down the road. That's beyond me.
Cheers
ROFLMAO, I do believe your basher/leaker was the guy that offered to do the beta forums for them. I'm pretty sure he was at one time the biggest supporter of MO.
I would have to disagree that it was misleading. It may have been a bit over the top, and the commentary probably wasn't neccassary, but any sane person can just watch the vids and get a decent idea of where MO currently stands.
ROFLMAO, I do believe your basher/leaker was the guy that offered to do the beta forums for them. I'm pretty sure he was at one time the biggest supporter of MO.
I would have to disagree that it was misleading. It may have been a bit over the top, and the commentary probably wasn't neccassary, but any sane person can just watch the vids and get a decent idea of where MO currently stands.
or you could just play the free to play open beta later...