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Never met such an unfriendly community.
Varny
Member Posts: 765
I used to pride SWG for having the best community where everyone was friendly. However going to the forums I'm making posts and then being trolled by people hijacking my topics and then other people just being nasty because I'm asking for shadows to be fixed.
Go into the game and asking for help and that because I've hardly played the game in years and trying to get instance groups together. Get accused of being an Ebay account because I'm learning how to play the game again after all these changes. Like trying to get a group for anything is so hard and everyone acts as some elitist and says how WoW sucks all the time.
I'm not gonna bother with this game anymore, it's dead to me now.
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Was this you? The Top Ten Issues With Star Wars Galaxies.
It's all very well being negative about the game on a non-official forum, which you do very often here.
Once you take that negativity to the players themselves and start posting about issues that have been discussed by them at length for several years, many of which discussions received feedback from Development, then you just come across as a disgruntled, out of touch whiner.
Very often veterans return to the game and like to think that they still know everything about the game that needs knowing because they have read some forum posts, but this is often far from the case. An open mind is essential in returning to any MMORPG after a prolonged absence.
If that was your post, you did touch on some worthwhile improvements in the way of UI, controls and grouping tools but the rest was a bit of a Pre-CU rant. They get a lot of those posts there though, vets coming back and posting a list of complaints that haven't been properly researched, it's pretty much the done thing to flame it.
I'd be happy to discuss some of the points you raised further, for instance, Development once tried a model with full 3d collision as a prototype on internal test servers. QA came back with over 1000 bugs and they shelved the project indefinately. At this point changing the collision model would be NGE-like in aspect with huge wide sweeping core game changes, I'm not sure that SWG needs any more of that.
Just let me know if you ore details on any of the other topics you raised.
I think massive changes is exactly what the game needs to give it extra life. The current system just doesn't have fun gameplay and there isn't one person I've met in game that doesn't want the old profession system back. I speak to people trying to get Hoth groups and all of them saying they're only playing for their friends are in game and want the professions system back
the only negativity i saw in that thread came from the nge target market fanboys.
the OP raised some very insightful and valid points in his list, and took the time to elaborate on each one of them
if this has been discussed 1 trillion times over the past year he has no way of knowing unless he follows the game AND it adds to the fact that IT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED by the interns you call devs at SOE.
All the OP got as an answer was "get over pre-cu" by the poisoned community which plagues this wrecked game.
btw you know why the modsquad isn't considering the "get over pre-cu" posts as "unconstructive" to the discussion and moderating them as they should?
because they will allow the target market to troll some more and eventually lock the thread so that it may be conviniently forgotten and ignored.
The O-board is a toxic cesspool of hate and frustration. I think you have found out what many of us have known...they really do eat their own over there, and continue to do so with impunity. If SWG doesn't run off new and/or returning players, then the target audience most certainly will. I am sure the poor state of the game plays a large part of why posters there can be so ugly and aggressive.
Due to pathetic community management, posters feel they have a free pass to troll and flame any other poster that dares be critical of this current version of SWG in any way. It is much easier to attack a poster than enter into intelligent debate/discussion (or even just keep quiet). There are no excuses for such behavior, but then again, we are talking about the target audience that doesn't have the appropriate supervision it so desperately needs.
Well, that's because they didn't actually REFUTE the charge that the game was crap, they just said to 'deal with it'. So the game is grudgingly acknowledged and resignedly accepted to be in the toilet. Just that pre-NGE folks have seen the game OUT of the toilet, and know what it can look like when it's not smeared with feces. Their hands might be tied, but that doesn't mean there aren't still potential customers waiting to re-sub if a reverted server came online with some amount of support and eventual content development.
Says the guy with the huge Star Wars Galaxies signature. Nothing more to see here, just another fanboi attacking people who level even the smallest criticism at their game.
Hmmmmm ...... NGE the NGE? Naaaaa never happen, although the pre-NGE NGE (or would that be post-NGE pre'er's?) posts would make for some interesting rants? Well atleast once you figured out which side of the fence they were on
Unfortunitly I don't think you could do 'massive changes' and still have a game. They've already tried that and what you(we) have is the fallout from it.
Only way would be to design an entirely new game; up to date and tested, announce it and give all current players a 30 or whatever free trial to it while shutting down the old.
Once the wrench is broke, you can't fix it, only get a new one.
SWG (pre-cu) - AoC (pre-f2p) - PotBS (pre-boarder) - DDO - LotRO (pre-f2p) - STO (pre-f2p) - GnH (beta tester) - SWTOR - Neverwinter
I find it so ironic when I read the O-forums from time to time, that whenever someone calls for changes in the game, other posters cannibalistically devour the OP and tell him/her to deal with it or leave. Then they bitch that there's nobody playing.
Could there be a connection? Hmmm.
Logic and critical thinking skills are not something desirable in the NGE target audience. Remember, "too much reading" is bad.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
The bigger chunk of the SWG community are a bunch of players who only care about what shiney reward they get dropped in their inventory and finding the quickest and less involved method to get it. And .. they aren't the least bit scared to demand your rare rewards be made available to them.
Since SOE is only interested in the quickest and least involved method to get those shiney rewards to the players, I they might have a match made in heaven (karmicly speaking).
Well, they're not getting my savage humbaba mount, so rots o'ruck with that!
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
Since SOE is only interested in the quickest and least involved method to get those shiney rewards to the players, I they might have a match made in heaven (karmicly speaking).
TCG is the icing. A system people will throw 100's of dollars at for a CHANCE to get some shiney reward that requires almost no development time at all and takes no effort to get in game.
Watch the official forums every month. If there is an in game scenario to get a loot item you don't have to pay for, the SOE people make no effort to announce it. A player has to announce in the forums. If a new expansion comes out with stuff to buy, its plastered everywhere *including in game load screens* officially.
Drakuul said the TCG was to get new players into SWG. If that is the case, then why are the only mentions of TCG always in SWG. There is no mention of updates about SWG in the TCG system anywhere.. ever. How are you suppose to get TCG only players(do they really exsist?) interested in the real SWG if you don't tell them about it.
Well, that's because they didn't actually REFUTE the charge that the game was crap, they just said to 'deal with it'. So the game is grudgingly acknowledged and resignedly accepted to be in the toilet. Just that pre-NGE folks have seen the game OUT of the toilet, and know what it can look like when it's not smeared with feces. Their hands might be tied, but that doesn't mean there aren't still potential customers waiting to re-sub if a reverted server came online with some amount of support and eventual content development.
If you were stuck in prison and somebody came in and told you how much the place stinks, wouldn't that make you a bit upset, especially if you had been complaining about the stench for years but had finally resigned yourself that the stench wasn't going away? Top it all off that you are in the prison voluntarily, and could save yourself some money by walking out the door, but doing so would be the same as admitting you wasted your time and money being in the prison, and all the effort you made to defend how great the prison was before your cold cleared up and you started smelling the stench and noticing how the place was falling apart.
The longer you defend something the more foolish you feel when you realize the critics were right. For some, instead of admitting they were wrong and removing themselves from the situation, they instead dig in their heels and continue to defend as an outlet for their anger and embarrassment. That is the behavior that OBoard thread is full of. They know the game is broken, are resigned to the fact that it won't be fixed, so they lash out at anyone who shines a light on the fact that the game is broken.
As much as I dislike Badgersmacker, his assessment of that thread is exactly right. A few valid points (ESPECIALLY THE UI GOD I HATE THE UI) mixed in with a thinly-veiled bring back pre-CU sentiment.
Also, it's telling that someone who left over massive changes to the game now has the unmitigated gall to insist that sweeping changes (that would severely disrupt the gameplay of those who play) are necessary. And not surprised to see the usual suspects jump on the coattails to flame the current players more. I can't tell what the Fringers hate more -- SOE, or the players themselves.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
IMHO, no one really has a problem with constructive crit and suggestions but with this game in particular it's never really about improving the game, it's about going back in time to yesterday.
There is a place for you guys wishing for yesterday to go these days. Stop pestering the people who want to play this version. It takes like 2 minutes to hook yourself up to 2003.
Fringers hate them both equally. The temper tantrum has gone on for so long that I don't believe they really make a distinction between either group anymore.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
Fringers hate them both equally. The temper tantrum has gone on for so long that I don't believe they really make a distinction between either group anymore.
Just pointing out that the comment here is an unfair generalization. It seems to lump a group of people together and accuse them of all thinking and acting exactly the same way. Imo, people are individuals. It also accuses the whole group of hating other players. So, people are being grouped unfairly and then accused of something inflammatory. Many who post on this site, MMOfringe and other game sites dislike some of SOE's decisions, but have absolutely no dislike for current players, let alone "hatred."
Actually this post, imo, is just another example of just how unfriendly the SWG community has become. It was one of the latest in a line of Community Managers that described the community as poisoned, largely by the actions of SOE. I think he was right. It really is a shame because I too found the SWG community to be absolutely amazing during my first 2 years of game play.
Fringers hate them both equally. The temper tantrum has gone on for so long that I don't believe they really make a distinction between either group anymore.
Just pointing out that the comment here is an unfair generalization. It seems to lump a group of people together and accuse them of all thinking and acting exactly the same way. Imo, people are individuals. It also accuses the whole group of hating other players. So, people are being grouped unfairly and then accused of something inflammatory. Many who post on this site, MMOfringe and other game sites dislike some of SOE's decisions, but have absolutely no dislike for current players, let alone "hatred."
Actually this post, imo, is just another example of just how unfriendly the SWG community has become. It was one of the latest in a line of Community Managers that described the community as poisoned, largely by the actions of SOE. I think he was right. It really is a shame because I too found the SWG community to be absolutely amazing during my first 2 years of game play.
I would have to agree with Arch , Radical Change has caused radical behavior - From both sides.
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Fringers hate them both equally. The temper tantrum has gone on for so long that I don't believe they really make a distinction between either group anymore.
Just pointing out that the comment here is an unfair generalization. It seems to lump a group of people together and accuse them of all thinking and acting exactly the same way. Imo, people are individuals. It also accuses the whole group of hating other players. So, people are being grouped unfairly and then accused of something inflammatory. Many who post on this site, MMOfringe and other game sites dislike some of SOE's decisions, but have absolutely no dislike for current players, let alone "hatred."
Actually this post, imo, is just another example of just how unfriendly the SWG community has become. It was one of the latest in a line of Community Managers that described the community as poisoned, largely by the actions of SOE. I think he was right. It really is a shame because I too found the SWG community to be absolutely amazing during my first 2 years of game play.
I have been to that site. It is groupthink at its worst. And yes, there is a deep-seated hatred for the players of SWG. It is not deniable.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Fringers hate them both equally. The temper tantrum has gone on for so long that I don't believe they really make a distinction between either group anymore.
Just pointing out that the comment here is an unfair generalization. It seems to lump a group of people together and accuse them of all thinking and acting exactly the same way. Imo, people are individuals. It also accuses the whole group of hating other players. So, people are being grouped unfairly and then accused of something inflammatory. Many who post on this site, MMOfringe and other game sites dislike some of SOE's decisions, but have absolutely no dislike for current players, let alone "hatred."
Actually this post, imo, is just another example of just how unfriendly the SWG community has become. It was one of the latest in a line of Community Managers that described the community as poisoned, largely by the actions of SOE. I think he was right. It really is a shame because I too found the SWG community to be absolutely amazing during my first 2 years of game play.
I have been to that site. It is groupthink at its worst. And yes, there is a deep-seated hatred for the players of SWG. It is not deniable.
I think grouping people together and projecting negative characteristics onto them can lead to some nasty outcomes.
Again, I think the O.P. is onto something regarding the negative dynamics that have crept into the SWG community. Painting everyone who posts on a certain site with the same brush and demonizing them doesn't seem to promote a positive community feeling.
I've often said that one of the biggest lasting problems of things like the CU, the NGE, the chapter 6 combat revamp and now the TCG is the way these things drive a wedge into the gaming community. Taking things from one target audience and giving things to another is quite simply divisive. Anytime one group benefits at another's expense, nasty things are going to happen from a community perspective.
SOE has done this time and time again. People who liked the immersive skill system were burned so that others could have a level system. People who liked all of the professions and diversity were burned so that another group could have 9 iconic professions. People who liked the longer, real-time combat and lengthy animations were burned so that others could have faster-paced fps combat with fewer animations. People who like an ingame economy were burned first so that others could have high-powered loot, and now they're burned by competition from the Sony online store. People that liked their GCW rank were burned so that someone else could have an entirely new GCW system. People who liked their pets were burned so others could use an aiming reticule.
I could go on to list a number of other examples, but I think the pattern is clear enough. What's sad is that sometimes the group being catered to by SOE didn't even seem to exist.
So, do I dislike SWG gamers? (I post regularly on the fringe btw). Nope, not at all. I like gamers, and some of my best online friends still play SWG. Do I dislike SWG? Well I like some parts of it and dislike others. More than anything, I dislike the way SOE has managed the game and its community (see examples above). I think they've really created a lot of problems in the game and its community that could have been avoided.
I also noticed that probably thousands of people tried to get SOE's attention regarding how harmful certain decisions would likely be to the game and its playerbase. I was really amazed that many of these excellent observations were ignored. Many of the things SOE was warned about then seem to have come about: mass cancellations, bad public relations, empty servers (now closed), and as the O.P. has pointed out, a very badly divided and angry community.
Well really how is a game supposed to grow when the company running it keeps finding ways to divide and alienate its players?
A dwindling, divided, angry population isn't very attractive to me as an MMO enthusiast. Current players attempting to demonize anyone who disagrees with them doesn't help either imo. If anything it's just more evidence that this isn't a place I want to spend my leisure time.
Fringers hate them both equally. The temper tantrum has gone on for so long that I don't believe they really make a distinction between either group anymore.
Just pointing out that the comment here is an unfair generalization. It seems to lump a group of people together and accuse them of all thinking and acting exactly the same way. Imo, people are individuals. It also accuses the whole group of hating other players. So, people are being grouped unfairly and then accused of something inflammatory. Many who post on this site, MMOfringe and other game sites dislike some of SOE's decisions, but have absolutely no dislike for current players, let alone "hatred."
Actually this post, imo, is just another example of just how unfriendly the SWG community has become. It was one of the latest in a line of Community Managers that described the community as poisoned, largely by the actions of SOE. I think he was right. It really is a shame because I too found the SWG community to be absolutely amazing during my first 2 years of game play.
I have been to that site. It is groupthink at its worst. And yes, there is a deep-seated hatred for the players of SWG. It is not deniable.
how did you behave on your visits?
i rly cant recall a single post from you which didnt outright flame people; and if you recall or dig up the past you will see you didnt get that sort of treatment in return. fishermage even offered you his councelling services....
go ahead. look. we dont moderate stuff.
we are always opened to civilised and logical discussions.
It IS deniable because it's simply not true. While people may be upset with SoE, that does not mean they dislike players who "like" SWG.
SoE is the target of the frustrations, not the player. SoE has sunk the SWG ship, not the player. We all have different tastes and we all find enjoyment in whatever we do...some of you are Baseball fans, some Hockey, some Soccer (although that one is beyond me) and all you kewl people like REAL Football (American Football, not Soccer you silly Brits
). To accuse people of "a deep-seated hatred for the players" is outright contemptible.
Back to the OP...
Varny is right...the current group of posters on the O-boards is a joke and most certainly not the type of community SWG was once made of. I've never read more self centered, self serving and outright childish replies in all my time on those boards. The way they treat simple requests or questions from players is pathetic. But...that's what is left now...that is the target audience SoE had been looking for. Not the Vets who want this or that who have spent years in-game learning all the parts of it - no...they want the type of people who believe including a General Grievous speeder bike for $10 on STEAM is an "expansion".
Badger is also right though...Vets who were once "something" are a dime a dozen. What anyone once was is of no relevance to those still or currently playing. There was once a day where we were thrilled to see old names light up...but after the millionth time, we really don't give a **edit** who you once were. The sad reality is that in MMOs, people come and people go. It's the nature of the online world. If you can't deal with it, MMOs aren't for you.
This is what SoE has sought after though. All their years of hard work have finally paid off. No longer are posts littered with debate (not that that was ever a real issue), but instead, it's just flames of anyone who would DARE to expect "more" from an MMO.
Civilised discussions? LOL, hardly. Everyone that doesn't agree with you are shills, asshats, trolls, etc.Hell, you all stalk this site to keep tallies on what was said. Your mouths and site speaks for itself.
I do agree with you though that everyone should go out to your site and see these "Civilised discussions" appearing all over. Read the posts, read the chat and let them decide for themselves how civilised you really are.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"