I'm not emotionally or financially involved in this decision, so this is my detached view on the situation.
Cryptic should have sent out the invites to the CO subscribers that were due invites, first and foremost. They then could have given out invites through contests etc. for the PR gains. It's a bad business practice to burn your investors.
I suspect that they have closed-door reasoning behind their decision not to send out the invites. Perhaps time will tell.
For people who aren't yet in closed beta, be grateful. Early phases of closed beta in games are rife with bugs and horrid-to-the-point-of-being-almost-unplayable performance. Do you really think STO would be any different? If so, could I interest you in this cute little tribble? He's perfectly harmless. I promise.
For people who aren't yet in closed beta, be grateful. Early phases of closed beta in games are rife with bugs and horrid-to-the-point-of-being-almost-unplayable performance. Do you really think STO would be any different? If so, could I interest you in this cute little tribble? He's perfectly harmless. I promise.
FYI Gene Roddenbery and Star Trek stole the "Tribbles" from the Robert A Heinlein novel "The Rolling Stones" part of his 'juvenile' series of books. In "The Rolling Stones" a family named "Stone" bought a used Space Ship and traveled around the Solar System. While on Mars they acquired an animal, described just like a "Tribble". On their way to the Asteroid Belt to sell supplies to miners their 'Tribble" multiplied like Rabbits, soon they were being eatin out of their Space Ship. They sold their Tribbles, which made a soothing sound when held, to the miners and got out of Dodge before they Asteroid belt was overrun by the creatures.
Cryptic being Cryptic on what they say, nothing new there.
Developers need to stop insulting the intelligence of gamers with all this hype-monetizing shady stuff, before they get literally destroyed in court. 10 weeks of closed beta, if subscribers only get to play two weeks... I wouldn't be very happy.
1. Who in their right mind pays to test someone else's software??? Are we gamers that desperate/gullible or just plain stoopid? *boggle* 2. Has anyone asked themselves WHY Cryptic didn't want to unleash as many beta account as they possibly could to curry favour with the media...? Hey, perhaps the game is a turd & they didn't want it to leak out, or they've badly underestimated their capacity planning. OMG, like that's never happened to a mmo before! <rolls eyes> Or perhaps they just wanted to stay in control of their own SDLC & rollout. Who would've thought!
I like Cryptic & their business model. I'm a huge fan of their CoX franchise which I've played for many years. But this kind of thing just takes the cake. You know all you so-called ST fans out there, you're all on the same side ffs...? They're making a game YOU want to play, they want it to be a commercial success, you want it to be a good game. How does any of this childish BS help? Wake TF up. You paid for a lifetime membership so if you now don't like the game _sight unseen_ because someone else got to play with the toys first (under a NDA mind you!), you're just in it for the whining. Get another hobby & get a life! ;-p
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"There is a sucker born every minute." P.T. Barnum The American public has been exceeding that norm. You will never go broke by overestimating the gullibility of the American people.
"In months, or a year, the drama that's chased both Champions Online's launch and Star Trek Online's beta may pass as the proverbial water under the bridge; forgiveness may be widespread and trust rebuilt."
I doubt that. Look at SOE and the Star Wars, and Vanguard, and just about anything else they touch. Once an MMO company starts to get a reputation for screwing up, and/or screwing players or potential players, it is very hard to ever be forgiven. Champions left a bad taste in a LOT of people's mouths, and the direction Cryptic has decided to take this IP (Everyone is a Captain, so away missions with real people require the never would happen in Star Trek 5 Captain away team), and now this, is going to cause bad blood. I know I am passing on STO in favor of SW:TOR. At least there it looks like they are listening to the potential players/fans of the IP.
For people who aren't yet in closed beta, be grateful. Early phases of closed beta in games are rife with bugs and horrid-to-the-point-of-being-almost-unplayable performance. Do you really think STO would be any different? If so, could I interest you in this cute little tribble? He's perfectly harmless. I promise.
In this day and age? Yes. I expect it to be different. I was in the Alpha test for LOTRO and it was nearly ship-able then -- closed beta was highly polished. So yeah, I expect MMOs in the Beta testing phase to be nearly ready. Gone are the days when the Beta test was for, well, testing. Beta's ARE marketing -- pure and simple. If Cryptic hasn't realized this, that's a problem. It could be why they're not letting in the Lifers from CO, who almost certainly fill that marketing role. If the game isn't ready for the marketing phase, then they would keep a minimal amount of testers in order to control the information flow.
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Players were offered entry into STO's Beta in exchange for their paying for a lifetime or six month subscription to Champions Online. This constitutes a Legally binding contract. Criptic is now subject to lawsuits for breach of contract. I hope this happens. This entire episode reeks of Fraud.
Ok... I have looked at all the advertisments and i non of the ones i can find did i find anything about "WHEN" said access should be granted. As long as you get in to the closed beta they have made good on their part, and as far asi know... The closed beta ain't over yet i am right.
The only one who has said anything about "first access" was a person, who in all fairnes was not in a position to make sutch claims. So show me were it says "WHEN" you were going to get in to the beta apart from that poor man and his forumpost.
Fraud... It's the new buzzword like, everything is fraud these days... BroadSword i say.
Sure 5 minutes before open Beta they could give those people access to Closed Beta and be with in legal bounds but it doesn't make it right.
I know if it was me in that situation I would demand a refund at the very least or boycott the their products if hey did not compensate me satisfactorily.
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Well I am very wary of cryptic. The entire you got to buy your way into beta turned me on them. I don't buy my way into anything. If I like your product I will buy a 6 month or lifetime if offered.
I have to say that nomater what they do STO is kind of tainted, they have already set a bood mood for COX players, current cryptic players and those of us not yet associated with them.
There is very little room for forgivness in the MMO industry now days, you screw your player base and they will leave. This is what happened with STO and COX.
For now I will sit on the sidelines and watch this beta event, I call it a a publicity show as that is what it really is. There is no beta just a bunch of hype trying to sell the game, and I say shame on cyrtip for trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
Oh I am just wondering is there really a beta, does anybody know anybody who is attempting to play this beta, welll publicity stunt.
I'm thankful for the conversation this has started, I've learned alot. Unfortunately one of those things is how disgusted foreigners seem to be with America. Don't worry, you'll be working for India or China soon enough, we can't farm our jobs or national pride out fast enough to them.
I'd be alright if I could get in to test by mid-December, 4 weeks before open beta. Otherwise I'll ask for a full refund as others have. Someone stated on the STO forums that they've commented on mid-December for us.
Well I am very wary of cryptic. The entire you got to buy your way into beta turned me on them. I don't buy my way into anything. If I like your product I will buy a 6 month or lifetime if offered.
what turned me off them was the bloody fact that they required you to pay for your 6month or Lifetime subs before even having a chance to play the game, and for those in beta who might of paid for those lifetime subs, they released a launch-day patch that literally shifted the balance of the whole game, untested and unknown to all.
I'm not going to bother with their contests, the whole "sakura park" fiasco is done to death. Cryptic is unoriginal and dull in their ideas, no surprise to me there.
People will still preorder the collector's edition of games even without some fancy beta access. Most of these developers today are probably making more money before the game even launches than 6 months worth of retained subscriptions. In my opinion things are only going to get worse.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Sorry guys. I'm a 6 month sub to CO and got my good news about STO last week. So...they didn't really lie in my case. I mean, they never said we'd all be in at once?
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
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The lead up to Star Trek Online's Beta has been rife with controversy. This week, Jaime Skelton dives into exactly what happened. Read it all here.
Some people like the former perpetual employee in the article got their facts completly wrong and they keep spouting lies.
It would be nice if the article was updated to include this information. Daeke's statement was after the offer was no longer available, so unless people went back in time they didn't buy the Deal knowing for certain they would get in first. They only assumed they would, which is their fault.
The post on the CO forums by Daeke that started this whole controversy was on sept 13 which is 13 days AFTER the offer was no longer available, the response from Rekhan is on 16th. If you have a post that is before sept 1st find it or someone quoting it pody iy. There was lots of talk on the STO forum about the Lifetime offer, if Daeke said something before the CO boards were wiped someone would have quoted it over at the STO forum.
As an example the infamous quote got over to the STO forum only two days later and there was a massive thread on it. If there was an earlier post by Daeke before sept 1st the same thing would have happened but there isn't any evidence of somoene quoting a Pre sept 1st Daeke statement on the STO forums. So if you can find it, please feel free to post it as your proof.
Cryptic really has no idea how to handle things, it showed in the entire process of Champions, and it shows again. No matter what you think about their games, their PR handling is a catastrophe. No ads, no interviews in any of the German print mags, nada. You expect almost 2 months before release they are a bit more active in getting out the word, but no. Either they are so arrogant they think they don't need to advertise their game for Europeans or they are actually just to dumb to realize. Whoever is in charge of PR and handling f the info at Cryptic needs to be FIRED!
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And Cryptic didn't save STO from Perpetual btw, they saw a money making opportunity and seized it. They figured they would pull a Turbine and use a mediocre game like AC2 to fuel the creation of Lotro. So here we have Cryptic trying to use CO to fuel STO but it is backfiring in their face because CO is worse than AC2 ever was to start with. Not to mention it is terrible that they are using one IP subs just to pay for access for a beta to another IP?? sad
The lead up to Star Trek Online's Beta has been rife with controversy. This week, Jaime Skelton dives into exactly what happened. When watching for hot topics in the community, I've noticed Cryptic is going to be a company laced with controversy. While their heels are still cooling from the heat from Champions Online's launch, now they are faced with troubles and worries about Star Trek Online, their newest title set to launch in February next year. How is it that a game that hasn't even hit open beta has caused up such a stir? The fuss began with Champions Online, on a special offer launched in August for those who were interested in purchasing six month or lifetime subscriptions. The special offer included “guaranteed” closed beta access for Lifetime subscribers to Champions Online, and access (though not specifically stated as “guaranteed”) for six month subscribers. It's safe to assume that a large portion of the subscribers who took advantage of these offers wanted, and expected, to be able to participate in the beta testing of Star Trek Online.
There is no misinformation, I am active in the STO forums and it is a very controversial subject.
I even posted my thoughts on that move, I found it personally quite unethical, but you know it seems like Ferengi have taken over Cryptic's Marketing Department.
In any case, I also predict that the microstransactions store they are planning for the game will also be a sore issue, and a potential scandal if they ever put anything more than cosmetic and vanity items in it that have real functions in the game.
All in all, they mustev known that many people would buy these subs to CO just to get access to STO beta, on the other hand they can't guarantee them access over other players because, well, it would be like selling tickets for a beta, those who pay get it those who do not do not get it, not to count the fact that they are asking people to play to test and improve their product.
it is like asking you to pay for comming and selling my product...just doe snot work like that now does it?
So everyone has to have equal opportunity to access the beta, whether you payed for it or not. Of course all this mess and debate would have been avoided if Cryptic had not make the mistake of promoting STO's beta through the sub of another game, so they made a mistake there, I just hope that they do not make others.
I am preparing my guild for the February launch, I hope this will not prove to be yet another MMORPG dissapointment, we had enough these past years.
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I just saw the PAX footage......what a dissapointment. it looked like god mode in space.....Where is the tactics.....oh wait what game engine is this?????the same one as CoX and CO?
Star Trek will be worse than Eve online day 1.
And don't think I aint a trekkie, I own all the boxed sets, All previous games and played Starfleet command for many years. I had a bad feeling about Cryptic getting the licence when they announced it will be developed on the same engine as CoH. Modified or not it won't work well for Trek, mark my words.
And any company that offers First beta access to lifetime and 6mo subscribers to a future beta then dosen't follow up on it......you can bet your ass dollars to doughnuts they are so strapped for cash they can't afford either the servers or the Publicity.
If not enough money for servers then the game is probably being rushed out to pay bills and will be in sorry shape upon release.
If they don't want the Publicity then someone should probably be fired for mismanaging the project to such an extent that they know the game will be only meh.
There is no misinformation, I am active in the STO forums and it is a very controversial subject. I even posted my thoughts on that move, I found it personally quite unethical, but you know it seems like Ferengi have taken over Cryptic's Marketing Department. In any case, I also predict that the microstransactions store they are planning for the game will also be a sore issue, and a potential scandal if they ever put anything more than cosmetic and vanity items in it that have real functions in the game. All in all, they mustev known that many people would buy these subs to CO just to get access to STO beta, on the other hand they can't guarantee them access over other players because, well, it would be like selling tickets for a beta, those who pay get it those who do not do not get it, not to count the fact that they are asking people to play to test and improve their product. it is like asking you to pay for comming and selling my product...just doe snot work like that now does it? So everyone has to have equal opportunity to access the beta, whether you payed for it or not. Of course all this mess and debate would have been avoided if Cryptic had not make the mistake of promoting STO's beta through the sub of another game, so they made a mistake there, I just hope that they do not make others. I am preparing my guild for the February launch, I hope this will not prove to be yet another MMORPG dissapointment, we had enough these past years.
I am very active on the STO forums and if you read this topic on the sto forums and on here.
And the people that are upset just go to a mirror and laugh at themselfs for there own stupidity.
Cause the deal never said when they will be getting in closed beta or it said that they will be getting in and for them beliving a statement that has " I think " in it.
And the only thing that is true that was said is the contest winners are going to be the first ones in and he wasn't to sure if the people that bought the 6 month or lifetime subs would be joing them, that is why he said I think.
If someone said " I think " Do you think it is 100% true or he think it is but isn't sure about what he said is to true or not?
Originally posted by Trowa_Barton The person that wrote this sucks and didn't do there research on the topic and just want to added to something that isn't there. She should get banned from posting stuff on here and from what I see most people don't like what she writes anyways and it is total BS what she wrote. Hell she isn't about of STO forums and CO forums she don't even know what is gonna on and what is said, there alot of mis-info she put.
Wow, that can barely be considered English, and you live in the US...
And you know some people do have legit reason for having bad grammar and bad spelling.
So please grow up.
I'm sure your reason for having bad grammar is far better than the one you have for why you get so defensive when people point out that you'd be better understood if you worked on your spelling and sentence structure in a forum discussion. Whatever reasons you might have for your grammatical deficiencies, they don't mean much in an English-speaking forum where you're trying(?) to carry on an intelligent conversation with others. Before questioning my maturity, you might try demonstrating a bit of your own.
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I'm not emotionally or financially involved in this decision, so this is my detached view on the situation.
Cryptic should have sent out the invites to the CO subscribers that were due invites, first and foremost. They then could have given out invites through contests etc. for the PR gains. It's a bad business practice to burn your investors.
I suspect that they have closed-door reasoning behind their decision not to send out the invites. Perhaps time will tell.
so...
For people who aren't yet in closed beta, be grateful. Early phases of closed beta in games are rife with bugs and horrid-to-the-point-of-being-almost-unplayable performance. Do you really think STO would be any different? If so, could I interest you in this cute little tribble? He's perfectly harmless. I promise.
FYI Gene Roddenbery and Star Trek stole the "Tribbles" from the Robert A Heinlein novel "The Rolling Stones" part of his 'juvenile' series of books. In "The Rolling Stones" a family named "Stone" bought a used Space Ship and traveled around the Solar System. While on Mars they acquired an animal, described just like a "Tribble". On their way to the Asteroid Belt to sell supplies to miners their 'Tribble" multiplied like Rabbits, soon they were being eatin out of their Space Ship. They sold their Tribbles, which made a soothing sound when held, to the miners and got out of Dodge before they Asteroid belt was overrun by the creatures.
Cryptic being Cryptic on what they say, nothing new there.
Developers need to stop insulting the intelligence of gamers with all this hype-monetizing shady stuff, before they get literally destroyed in court. 10 weeks of closed beta, if subscribers only get to play two weeks... I wouldn't be very happy.
2 things ppl:
1. Who in their right mind pays to test someone else's software??? Are we gamers that desperate/gullible or just plain stoopid? *boggle*
2. Has anyone asked themselves WHY Cryptic didn't want to unleash as many beta account as they possibly could to curry favour with the media...? Hey, perhaps the game is a turd & they didn't want it to leak out, or they've badly underestimated their capacity planning. OMG, like that's never happened to a mmo before! <rolls eyes> Or perhaps they just wanted to stay in control of their own SDLC & rollout. Who would've thought!
I like Cryptic & their business model. I'm a huge fan of their CoX franchise which I've played for many years. But this kind of thing just takes the cake. You know all you so-called ST fans out there, you're all on the same side ffs...? They're making a game YOU want to play, they want it to be a commercial success, you want it to be a good game. How does any of this childish BS help? Wake TF up. You paid for a lifetime membership so if you now don't like the game _sight unseen_ because someone else got to play with the toys first (under a NDA mind you!), you're just in it for the whining. Get another hobby & get a life! ;-p
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"There is a sucker born every minute." P.T. Barnum The American public has been exceeding that norm. You will never go broke by overestimating the gullibility of the American people.
"In months, or a year, the drama that's chased both Champions Online's launch and Star Trek Online's beta may pass as the proverbial water under the bridge; forgiveness may be widespread and trust rebuilt."
I doubt that. Look at SOE and the Star Wars, and Vanguard, and just about anything else they touch. Once an MMO company starts to get a reputation for screwing up, and/or screwing players or potential players, it is very hard to ever be forgiven. Champions left a bad taste in a LOT of people's mouths, and the direction Cryptic has decided to take this IP (Everyone is a Captain, so away missions with real people require the never would happen in Star Trek 5 Captain away team), and now this, is going to cause bad blood. I know I am passing on STO in favor of SW:TOR. At least there it looks like they are listening to the potential players/fans of the IP.
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In this day and age? Yes. I expect it to be different. I was in the Alpha test for LOTRO and it was nearly ship-able then -- closed beta was highly polished. So yeah, I expect MMOs in the Beta testing phase to be nearly ready. Gone are the days when the Beta test was for, well, testing. Beta's ARE marketing -- pure and simple. If Cryptic hasn't realized this, that's a problem. It could be why they're not letting in the Lifers from CO, who almost certainly fill that marketing role. If the game isn't ready for the marketing phase, then they would keep a minimal amount of testers in order to control the information flow.
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Ok... I have looked at all the advertisments and i non of the ones i can find did i find anything about "WHEN" said access should be granted. As long as you get in to the closed beta they have made good on their part, and as far asi know... The closed beta ain't over yet i am right.
The only one who has said anything about "first access" was a person, who in all fairnes was not in a position to make sutch claims. So show me were it says "WHEN" you were going to get in to the beta apart from that poor man and his forumpost.
Fraud... It's the new buzzword like, everything is fraud these days... BroadSword i say.
Sure 5 minutes before open Beta they could give those people access to Closed Beta and be with in legal bounds but it doesn't make it right.
I know if it was me in that situation I would demand a refund at the very least or boycott the their products if hey did not compensate me satisfactorily.
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Well I am very wary of cryptic. The entire you got to buy your way into beta turned me on them. I don't buy my way into anything. If I like your product I will buy a 6 month or lifetime if offered.
I have to say that nomater what they do STO is kind of tainted, they have already set a bood mood for COX players, current cryptic players and those of us not yet associated with them.
There is very little room for forgivness in the MMO industry now days, you screw your player base and they will leave. This is what happened with STO and COX.
For now I will sit on the sidelines and watch this beta event, I call it a a publicity show as that is what it really is. There is no beta just a bunch of hype trying to sell the game, and I say shame on cyrtip for trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
Oh I am just wondering is there really a beta, does anybody know anybody who is attempting to play this beta, welll publicity stunt.
I'm thankful for the conversation this has started, I've learned alot. Unfortunately one of those things is how disgusted foreigners seem to be with America. Don't worry, you'll be working for India or China soon enough, we can't farm our jobs or national pride out fast enough to them.
I'd be alright if I could get in to test by mid-December, 4 weeks before open beta. Otherwise I'll ask for a full refund as others have. Someone stated on the STO forums that they've commented on mid-December for us.
what turned me off them was the bloody fact that they required you to pay for your 6month or Lifetime subs before even having a chance to play the game, and for those in beta who might of paid for those lifetime subs, they released a launch-day patch that literally shifted the balance of the whole game, untested and unknown to all.
I'm not going to bother with their contests, the whole "sakura park" fiasco is done to death. Cryptic is unoriginal and dull in their ideas, no surprise to me there.
People will still preorder the collector's edition of games even without some fancy beta access. Most of these developers today are probably making more money before the game even launches than 6 months worth of retained subscriptions. In my opinion things are only going to get worse.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Sorry guys. I'm a 6 month sub to CO and got my good news about STO last week. So...they didn't really lie in my case. I mean, they never said we'd all be in at once?
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
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"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
Some people like the former perpetual employee in the article got their facts completly wrong and they keep spouting lies.
It would be nice if the article was updated to include this information. Daeke's statement was after the offer was no longer available, so unless people went back in time they didn't buy the Deal knowing for certain they would get in first. They only assumed they would, which is their fault.
The post on the CO forums by Daeke that started this whole controversy was on sept 13 which is 13 days AFTER the offer was no longer available, the response from Rekhan is on 16th. If you have a post that is before sept 1st find it or someone quoting it pody iy. There was lots of talk on the STO forum about the Lifetime offer, if Daeke said something before the CO boards were wiped someone would have quoted it over at the STO forum.
As an example the infamous quote got over to the STO forum only two days later and there was a massive thread on it. If there was an earlier post by Daeke before sept 1st the same thing would have happened but there isn't any evidence of somoene quoting a Pre sept 1st Daeke statement on the STO forums. So if you can find it, please feel free to post it as your proof.
The thread on STO forums about Daeke's statement
forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php
Links to Daeke's statements
forums.champions-online.com/showpost.php
forums.champions-online.com/showpost.php
Rekhan's Response
forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php
Like I said earlier, Train wreck.
And I never thought much of COX either.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
And Cryptic didn't save STO from Perpetual btw, they saw a money making opportunity and seized it. They figured they would pull a Turbine and use a mediocre game like AC2 to fuel the creation of Lotro. So here we have Cryptic trying to use CO to fuel STO but it is backfiring in their face because CO is worse than AC2 ever was to start with. Not to mention it is terrible that they are using one IP subs just to pay for access for a beta to another IP?? sad
Read it all here.
The person that wrote this sucks and didn't do there research on the topic and just want to added to something that isn't there.
She should get banned from posting stuff on here and from what I see most people don't like what she writes anyways and it is total BS what she wrote.
Hell she isn't about of STO forums and CO forums she don't even know what is gonna on and what is said, there alot of mis-info she put.
There is no misinformation, I am active in the STO forums and it is a very controversial subject.
I even posted my thoughts on that move, I found it personally quite unethical, but you know it seems like Ferengi have taken over Cryptic's Marketing Department.
In any case, I also predict that the microstransactions store they are planning for the game will also be a sore issue, and a potential scandal if they ever put anything more than cosmetic and vanity items in it that have real functions in the game.
All in all, they mustev known that many people would buy these subs to CO just to get access to STO beta, on the other hand they can't guarantee them access over other players because, well, it would be like selling tickets for a beta, those who pay get it those who do not do not get it, not to count the fact that they are asking people to play to test and improve their product.
it is like asking you to pay for comming and selling my product...just doe snot work like that now does it?
So everyone has to have equal opportunity to access the beta, whether you payed for it or not. Of course all this mess and debate would have been avoided if Cryptic had not make the mistake of promoting STO's beta through the sub of another game, so they made a mistake there, I just hope that they do not make others.
I am preparing my guild for the February launch, I hope this will not prove to be yet another MMORPG dissapointment, we had enough these past years.
Order of the Silver Star, OSS
ESKA, Playing MMORPG's since Ultima Online 1997 - Order of the Silver Serpent, Atlantic Shard
I just saw the PAX footage......what a dissapointment. it looked like god mode in space.....Where is the tactics.....oh wait what game engine is this?????the same one as CoX and CO?
Star Trek will be worse than Eve online day 1.
And don't think I aint a trekkie, I own all the boxed sets, All previous games and played Starfleet command for many years. I had a bad feeling about Cryptic getting the licence when they announced it will be developed on the same engine as CoH. Modified or not it won't work well for Trek, mark my words.
And any company that offers First beta access to lifetime and 6mo subscribers to a future beta then dosen't follow up on it......you can bet your ass dollars to doughnuts they are so strapped for cash they can't afford either the servers or the Publicity.
If not enough money for servers then the game is probably being rushed out to pay bills and will be in sorry shape upon release.
If they don't want the Publicity then someone should probably be fired for mismanaging the project to such an extent that they know the game will be only meh.
I am very active on the STO forums and if you read this topic on the sto forums and on here.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=36899 and seen what people wrote about on here.
And the people that are upset just go to a mirror and laugh at themselfs for there own stupidity.
Cause the deal never said when they will be getting in closed beta or it said that they will be getting in and for them beliving a statement that has " I think " in it.
Which is here http://forums.champions-online.com/showpost.php?p=1050885&postcount=9
And the only thing that is true that was said is the contest winners are going to be the first ones in and he wasn't to sure if the people that bought the 6 month or lifetime subs would be joing them, that is why he said I think.
If someone said " I think " Do you think it is 100% true or he think it is but isn't sure about what he said is to true or not?
Wow, that can barely be considered English, and you live in the US...
Wow, that can barely be considered English, and you live in the US...
And you know some people do have legit reason for having bad grammar and bad spelling.
So please grow up.
I'm sure your reason for having bad grammar is far better than the one you have for why you get so defensive when people point out that you'd be better understood if you worked on your spelling and sentence structure in a forum discussion. Whatever reasons you might have for your grammatical deficiencies, they don't mean much in an English-speaking forum where you're trying(?) to carry on an intelligent conversation with others. Before questioning my maturity, you might try demonstrating a bit of your own.