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Hmm I wonder, no fee for monthly sub. SO this is what I think.
bezado
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No fee for monthly subscription to this game, that means the company that spent the money to make it will earn back on players who buy the initial game. No fee subscription shouldnt be over looked here as a good thing. Take in the consideration of the DEVS and company that made GW, obviously if your into these MMORPG's then you can clearly see the companys are after money, so what do I mean about this for GW.
I say that GW will be free because the DEVS who designed GW are very smart when it comes to marketing, this is a brillant idea. Lets look into this further. Ok so as we all know evry current large and good MMORPG has a monthly fee right? Well then take GW for instance with no monthly fee, this can mean only 1 thing, and to what a brillant idea by GW it was.
Ok geting to the point. Without the fee for monthly play GW has taken an agressive but a sure fire way to get the MMORPG fans to play there game because of the free monthly play and the games overall apearance. Without that fee what do you suppose GW is going to do to make up for the no fee?
Its simple really, take the inital sales and then introduce an expansion evry 2-4 months at a cost of roughly $50 US. This means that even though you dont have a monthly fee the DEVS found out a way to blind you into thinking the game is totaly free. But look into this deeper, GW after 2-4 months introduces a expansion and evry 2-4 months after that at the $50 price area. So now you are addicted to the game and by seeing an expansion so soon you say wow nice, and buy it because the new content and the new stuff, and in your mind your thinking Ill buy it because I dont got to pay monthly still.
12 months in a year, at $50 per expansion with abount 3 expansion per year thats around $150. So in terms of saying no real monthly fee GW has just gotten your money still and made more doing it this way then with a monthly fee. If the normal fee would been like $10 a month then 10x 12 would be only $120 and so you see the extra $30 from not having the monthly fee for having so many expansions is where they make up for it. Content is big to MMO and your gona get alot of it in GW, just take my word for it and think. This is whats gona happen.
Is all this expansions a good thing? Well if your already addicted to it and in back your mind free gameplay then Yes it is a bad thing, they will get more $$$ from you this way then the old monthly fee way and this is just to hide how they will profit on you.
I hope you all liked my little idea of whats to come from GW and how they will make there $$$ thanks for reading.
Ohh one more thing, why do you suppose only 20 levels lol? Its because this fits my point above. Take average MMORPG person, they know levels of in 50's or higher in most these games, so with expansions they put it in your mind higher levels each expansion. Maybe 5 extra levels per expansion and some without levels. Its all marketing and a good one at that for GW, although im not a fan of GW, i wouldnt play it either way. DNL is what im going for. take care all.
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Rocket scientist tbh. Take away the fact that Arena.net have already said they were gonna release extra chapters, and you'd be a genius, even though others would have exactly the same thoughts.
You're a muppet. Please go away and let people who know what they're talking about have a grown-up conversation.
-Vanquisher of The Ministry
For a person how doesn't know much about GW this post may seem convincing and logical, but in fact it's appalingly incompetent, and there are several points of pure disinformation which the author of this thread uses in his strongest argument. This thread is so missleading, now let me explain why.
1. besado (the author of this thread) claims that an expansion pack will be released every 2-4 months. This is totaly wrong since the official web site states that expanison packs will be released every 6-9 months (and you don't have to buy them to continue playing, you'll just have less content then those with a exp. pack)
2. This one is the major logical flaw, which besado isn't even concidering. If the GW was all about "shining" graphics and crapy content how many people would buy the expansions then? How can people get addicted to the game if it's bad? And if the game is bad, people will not buy the exp. packs and therefore the developers wouldn't get any money.... this should be quite obvious I think.
So if a MMORPG will sell depends on the quality of the game not if has monthly fees or not.
3. besado writes that the developers will most likely to increase the level cap with 5 levels or so in very exp. pack. This is again wrong.
Since GW is a game of skill and teamwork, you get advantage from using tactics and being skillful, not from the amount time you spend on "grinding". This is the reason for level 20 cap. The idea of introducing a level increase in very exp. pack is just unthinkable since it's against ArenaNet's "no grinding policy" AND it would upset the balance of the game, especially the PvP part (this topic is to extensive to be covered here)
Conclusion:
besado clearly failed to to the arithmetics right and he used several untrue/made up facts to derive his conclusion. ArenNet, the developers of GW, is NOT trying to trick you to buy the game because it doesn't have any monthly fee's and then make you buy exp. packs which would actually be more expensive then to have a monthly fee! Once again this is wrong!
ArenaNet is, so far, the only company which I've encountered, that genuinely cares for the fans of the GW, they listen to all feedback from the forums on the fan sites, they answer fans' questions regulary etc. ArenaNet doesn't even want to set a definite release date (it'll be in Q1 for sure though) since they want to release a finished game, this if anything indicates that the developers want to make a great game in first place not just make fast money!!
I just wish that the people who haven't actually made any reseach on the game didn't post threads like this one. Guild Wars is a very original and different MMORPG, some of its elements may seem wierd at the first glance, but before judging it make some more research to be sure you've got every thing right, I'll promise you you'll be surprised in a good way if you do
Take care!
LordConan hit the nail on the head.
Out of curiosity I wonder how many times we are going to have to explain the level 20 cap? It seems every day or so someone asks why there is a cap at 20. If you are into traditional MMORPGs then please spare us the time of asking about why this or why that, if it's been explained a hundred times already. If you don't agree with the level 20 cap, that is great, but read why it is that way before complaining. Proper research will tell you exactly why there is the level 20 cap. The Guild Wars webpage can answer almost any questions that are asked. And if not, there are many many superb fansites that can answer them as well. And a lot of good answers are also posted on this site. I still say we need to develop a FAQ for this section, so that questions can be answered once, for everyone. Then just get the admins to sticky it onto the top of the section.
IMHO, this game has the best potential of all MMOGs released since SWG (don't get me started on that game...such potential down the tubes). It's NOT a traditional game at all in the sense of standard MMOGs, and has so many new fresh ideas that are making me antsy for release date.
Ohh btw, who cares about what the current game states, that all is changeable and always does change after time. Also I suggested level increases as a means to show how tuned the MMORPG people are to levels so by showing an expansion with increase levels most would go for it in this game. Thanks for your time
babies.
Awww look at you your such a genius yourself.
Has it ever crossed your mine that there are lots people who think the same stuff up? Have you never thought up something and thought it was an original idea then come to see someone else has already done it or said it? Well then. 
Also I wouldnt waste my time looking thru any of GW stuff its not my type of game. My opinion and I dont care what you think.
GW will have no monthly fee because the developers decided to design it that way. If nobody likes their game, it will fail. If nobody is curious to see what they put into expansion packs, they won't make any more money.
"Also I wouldnt waste my time looking thru any of GW stuff its not my type of game. My opinion and I dont care what you think. "
Its fairly apparent that you haven't looked into Guild wars at all, your lack of knowledge on the subject is appalling. How can you know its not a game for you if you haven't even done ANY research on the game?
Also, the others are right, the Guild Wars staff have said they are going to release Expansions every 6-9 months. But, for arguements sake, lets just say you're right and they are going to release an expanion every four months. Thats three expanions in a year. At you said, $50, per expansion. Thats $150 for expansions, and $50 for the game. So you'll spend about $200, total, on Guild Wars.
Now, all that above could be true (though its not, but lets have some fun shall we!), but where you went wrong was after these facts. Firstly, subscription fee's to other games will be in the $15 a month range. Add that up, and you're at $180 (if you play for a year). Plus the game, $50. Now you're at $230, and you only have the original game. But what MMO wouldnt' release an expansion? So we need to calculate another $50 into the the equation, no? Now we're at a hefty $280!
Now say all the above is true. What is the better game to buy? The game where you spend $200, plus you have THREE expansions. Or the game where you spend $280, and only have a single expansion?
Ask yourself now, "What is the smarter/better buy?"
Okay, now to look at a more realistic scenario of what will happen.
First, you'll buy the game (Guild Wars) at $50. Then you'll buy at most (if you so choose, though you aren't forced) two expansion packs. Now if the expansions are $50 a piece, and you buy both, you'll spend $100. Plus the original game, $150, all together. All for a year of playing. Compare that to the $280 you'll spend on any other MMO. Buy guild wars and you'll save yourself a nice $130.
expansions to games usually never cost the same amount as the original game
Evil will always triumph because good is dumb....
And even if the expansion packs were to be expensive, you don't have to buy them right away. Sure, you'll WANT to, but you don't HAVE to. You can buy them at your own pace when you have the funds available, rather than suffer "wealth degeneration 10-15 for infinite seconds"
i was going to not sink to your level and to be the big man, then i thought, feck it, he's an arsehole so here sir, is my AMAZING FIREBACK OMFG
"you sir, are a nipple"
and a swollen one at that tbfh.
go and look into the game, and then make an intelligent post. Your maths skills and common sense seem to be severely lacking.
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EVEN if EVERY point that you make is true. What you are basically saying is that the game is so damn good that people will get so addicted that the developers can release an expansion every 3-4 months and the people will buy it without thinking.
I won't apply that to this game, but hell if there was a game that good i'd GLADLY buy it
going back to my orignal flame. MY DADDY IS BIGGER THAN YOUR DADDY
The Ministry [Min]
The expansions aren't necessary to continue to play this game is what I heard. Someone with the original will still be able to play. However, since expansions will be 1-2 per year(what I read) they will probably cost as must as the original and hopefully have at least the same amount of content.
Without subscription fees what will be different? I anticipate there will only be bug fixes in patches. There won't be additional content added via patch. I anticipate less customer service also regarding hardware and software patching and customer questions because they won't have the revenue stream other MMO's for the additional staff. I sure hope I'm wrong on that one.
Outside of that, I see this as a great move by a company that just might take a good share of the MMO market space by only requiring the original game purchase. That is pure speculation tho.
First off, they won't be patching us, as far as I know. If they're going to fix a bug, they're going to Stream in it. Ie. While you're playing, you're downloading stuff in the background. No you don't feel the download, or you don't get lagged, trust me. It just shows up as a small lightning icon, so you know that you ARE downloading stuff. Also, they've said on a few occassions that they can and will introduce new things via the Stream technology. Its quick and easy. They've said they would give us new missions, weapons, etc... Also, they said on some important days (christmas) they might stream in Christmas trees, and lights into one of the cities, for fun. Also, as to customer service being lower? Probably not. Many people that have played other MMO's have said that ArenaNet is showing the best customer service so far, more so than any other MMO they've played. And if you think about it, they will probably make enough money off the game to be able to allow great customer service for fixing bugs, taking care of hackers etc.... Since there is no monthly fee, many many people will buy the game. The monthly fee that MMO's have is the scam part, most just dont' see that. Do the math someday, and you'll understand.
And your last paragaph is right on. I see this as more than a great move, but a perfect move. You'd be surprised at how many people want to try out a top line MMORPG, but can't/don't want to, due to their being a monthly fee. I know I'm one of them. Call me cheap, but I'd rather spend my money having fun with friends, or buying other games.
..... who cares if gw has alot of xpacs look at any other mmorpg they have about an xpac come out once a year AND u have to pay a montly fee
I may be replying to this topic a little late but I will add in something which has not been mentioned quite clearly. ArenaNet told that each expansion pack wil be "competitively priced" to other game expansion packs while still containing a large amount of content similar to the initial game release version.
Also, since GW is streaming technology, in all reality all the expansion information is already streamed to you, so that when you come up against a member who is possibly of another class from an expansion u can be affected by that profession and can see their skills and stuff. With the streaming technology and the fact that the expansions have already been secretly streamed to you. You will not have to go out and buy the epansion pack at a store, just pay your "whatever price" online and the content is unlocked for your account.
Simplicity has become a great thing for Guild Wars, and yet so many people love the game. Now why bash a game that is getting so much good attention. Their is no point to it. Do not bash the game, i respect "credible" well developed disagreements with the game, but not one that imposes the fact that ArenaNet's only goal is to scandal money out of their customers pockets, because from what I have seen ArenaNet is the only company to care about what their customers think, therefore they will prevail.
lol conspiracy theories.
Also according to ArenaNet players do not need to buy the expansion to see the new content, players with the expansion can invite along those without it.
I believe the full details are still being worked out tho so they are subject to change.
I think everything else has been covered tho