This what have they shown us on the Vision trailer wasn't a movie it was "GAMEPLAY".So they have done a lot of that what they wanted to show as.So this will "Vision" trailer will be soon realty.So stay tuned.
haha but what about all the fanbois that based all of their arguments on this trailer?
lol
I don't see how anyone who actually watched that trailer could think it would all be implemented 1) soon 2) all at once 3) all that stuff would ACTUALLY be implemented.
but to a degree you're right.
Edit - I at least have to give NC soft some credit, they're admitting this is what COULD happen not what WILL. People can't say down the road that they made broken promises.
I was going to maybe try Aion if it was going to be done in an upcomming expansion. Right now the game's just play ugly. The Animations suck, and it's just lacking anything to make me want to pay 15$ a month, buying the box or even downloading a 10GB client for a trailer.
I'm having a very hard time understanding this. Is this trailer not actual gameplay? If it is gameplay, then surely they have started to work on all of it, and if not then big fail on NCSoft.
What do you think? Ofcourse not. All the stuff that you saw and isn't in the game yet, was just CGI material. As their current licensed game engine is so old, it doesn't even support it nor is it capable of supporting it.
But it's funny nonetheless, as I wonder how many sucke....ehh people insta resubbed to AION after drooling over this video and thought it would be the next expansion. LOL.
Cheers
They didn't say it was CGI material. They said that it's not footage of a planned specific patch or expansion.
They are fully free to upgrade the old engine. Just because the engine isn't capable of supporting it now, doesn't mean it won't in the future.
Here's how great the game could be... but naw... no we're not REALLY going to do that... just show you how awesome the game could be. A patch? Oh no, no... we need the money so it'll be an expansion for more eye candy.
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I mean that's pretty much a slap in the balls, isn't it? If you went to a restaurant to order the new special... and while you're eating it the chef comes out and shows you the same dish but with more on the plate then says "I just wanted to show you how f'ing cool this could have been, but I'm happy you're paying full price for what I gave you because it's too much work to give you more now..." Wouldn't you be a little pissed?
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
I lol'd hard. ----- Here's how great the game could be... but naw... no we're not REALLY going to do that... just show you how awesome the game could be. A patch? Oh no, no... we need the money so it'll be an expansion for more eye candy. ----- I mean that's pretty much a slap in the balls, isn't it? If you went to a restaurant to order the new special... and while you're eating it the chef comes out and shows you the same dish but with more on the plate then says "I just wanted to show you how f'ing cool this could have been, but I'm happy you're paying full price for what I gave you because it's too much work to give you more now..." Wouldn't you be a little pissed?
It seemed to me to be very straight forward. "Vision Trailer". The Vision of what the game would (might) have in the future. Anyone thinking that this was coming in the next update was overly optimistic at best. What NC Soft should have done was be a bit more clear (for those who can't extrapolate what "vision" implies) and then simultaneously release info on the upcoming expansion. but they aren't really the brightest bulbs in the sky at times.
My thoughts exactly.
Unfortunately, in this day and age most people aren't very good at reading between the lines and/or thinking their way through things. In this regard, it never hurts for a company to be extremely direct, rather than vague about it's intentions.
I just want to reply and say that I think my tweets have been misinterpreted. I will admit that they're short and it's easy for such an unfortunate misinterpretation to happen, but I will also have it said that I'm not claiming this not to be in-game content, I'm merely saying it's not a specific expansion or patch (at this point).
--- Sebastian Streiffert Community Representative - Aion
Follow my twitter! aion_ayase * In order to cover my back, things I write are of course subject to change.
I just want to reply and say that I think my tweets have been misinterpreted. I will admit that they're short and it's easy for such an unfortunate misinterpretation to happen, but I will also have it said that I'm not claiming this not to be in-game content, I'm merely saying it's not a specific expansion or patch (at this point).
I see what you did thar. I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:
In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?
If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
I just want to reply and say that I think my tweets have been misinterpreted. I will admit that they're short and it's easy for such an unfortunate misinterpretation to happen, but I will also have it said that I'm not claiming this not to be in-game content, I'm merely saying it's not a specific expansion or patch (at this point).
I see what you did thar. I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:
In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?
If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?
I'm having a very hard time understanding this. Is this trailer not actual gameplay? If it is gameplay, then surely they have started to work on all of it, and if not then big fail on NCSoft.
What do you think? Ofcourse not. All the stuff that you saw and isn't in the game yet, was just CGI material. As their current licensed game engine is so old, it doesn't even support it nor is it capable of supporting it.
But it's funny nonetheless, as I wonder how many sucke....ehh people insta resubbed to AION after drooling over this video and thought it would be the next expansion. LOL.
Cheers
They didn't say it was CGI material. They said that it's not footage of a planned specific patch or expansion.
They are fully free to upgrade the old engine. Just because the engine isn't capable of supporting it now, doesn't mean it won't in the future.
That is the problem. Cry Engine 1 cannot be simply upgraded to Cry Engine 2 and sure as hell not to the new Cry Engine 3!
As CryTek started from scratch with Cry Engine 2 and rebuild it from the ground up. And so not compatible for upgrade from Cry Engine 1!
So upgrading to either Cry Engine 2 or 3 or even a completely different engine will be an ENORMOUS task. Almost like completely starting from scratch. Not to mention the costs and resources it will involve.
I'm having a very hard time understanding this. Is this trailer not actual gameplay? If it is gameplay, then surely they have started to work on all of it, and if not then big fail on NCSoft.
What do you think? Ofcourse not. All the stuff that you saw and isn't in the game yet, was just CGI material. As their current licensed game engine is so old, it doesn't even support it nor is it capable of supporting it.
But it's funny nonetheless, as I wonder how many sucke....ehh people insta resubbed to AION after drooling over this video and thought it would be the next expansion. LOL.
Cheers
They didn't say it was CGI material. They said that it's not footage of a planned specific patch or expansion.
They are fully free to upgrade the old engine. Just because the engine isn't capable of supporting it now, doesn't mean it won't in the future.
That is the problem. Cry Engine 1 cannot be simply upgraded to Cry Engine 2 and sure as hell not to the new Cry Engine 3!
As CryTek started from scratch with Cry Engine 2 and rebuild it from the ground up. And so not compatible for upgrade from Cry Engine 1!
So upgrading to either Cry Engine 2 or 3 or even a completely different engine will be an ENORMOUS task. Almost like completely starting from scratch. Not to mention the costs and resources it will involve.
Cheers
Hmmm... Something tell me I should skip on this one...Anyway.
-This trailer is not CGI (Computer-generated imagery) it is probably a render using the cryengine engine.
-All you've seen in the trailer can be done in CryENGINE 1.3 and that's probably the one they are using in Aion.
-GodRays and HDR effect are not limited to DX10, they can be done under DX9 (Many reviewers proved the point when they released Crysis(game) and some people were able to almost get the same results in DX9 than DX10.)
-CryENGINE can be upgraded and modded you can go from CryENGINE1 to CryENGINE2 without having to start from scratch
-Quote from wikipedia:"CryEngine2 is a game engine. It is an extended version of the CryEngine, the game engine behind Far Cry. CryEngine2 has been used for Crytek's game, Crysis; an updated version is used in Crysis Warhead, an expansion of Crysis; also the MMORPG Entropia Universe and Aion recently upgraded its graphics to the CryEngine 2." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryEngine_2
This is just a a pre-rendered footage using the in-game engine there are no "real" mechanics at work, they are showing you what they envision the game in the future. Is this so hard to understand?
Now the PR and Marketing dept. release the trailer as Aion Vision... And yes this trailer is a marketing tool. Get over it, everytime you drink a beer do you see 12 super hot chicks showing up in bikini in your backyard? When you spray AXE you girls get naked around you?
Are you 12 years old and believe Star Wars was actually filmed in space with real spaceship and all?
I bought the game and played for a month. But since I can only play one MMO at a time (job, life and such) and there seemed to be a number of rough technical and gameplay frustrations, I cancelled my subscription and turned to something else. I saw this trailer and I found it interesting, but I guess I'll bother to resubscribe when the game is more like it's "vision"
It's nice they are trying to save face and post a message, but that post would be better to do on the aion site directly and clear it up with it's playerbase not people like me who unsubbed cause I call it PR machine BS. GL keeping that player base active my suggestion is to hire a more capable PR icon.
I just want to reply and say that I think my tweets have been misinterpreted. I will admit that they're short and it's easy for such an unfortunate misinterpretation to happen, but I will also have it said that I'm not claiming this not to be in-game content, I'm merely saying it's not a specific expansion or patch (at this point).
It's also because NCsoft is really vague about this.
All we want to know if this is actually inengine footage or if we're looking at a target render CGI?
I just want to reply and say that I think my tweets have been misinterpreted. I will admit that they're short and it's easy for such an unfortunate misinterpretation to happen, but I will also have it said that I'm not claiming this not to be in-game content, I'm merely saying it's not a specific expansion or patch (at this point).
I see what you did thar. I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:
In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?
If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?
Ncsoft's expansions are always free.
Eye of the North was not a stand alone, nor a free patch. You lost The Game.
Factions and Nightfall, technically stand alone games, still are intertwined with the first campaign Prophecies. It's the same game, mechanics, interface, and gameplay-wise... just different content. Bullshit semantics aside, Guild Wars consisted of 3 stand alone expansion packs, and one true expansion pack. Then there's the Bonus Mission Pack, which early on you had to purchase X amount of goods (more char slots, unlocks with pvp, whatever) in order to unlock the BMP.
Now Guild Wars 2, has promises of many changes as well as graphics upgrades.
So again... the questions arise,
------------------------------------------------
Is the content in "Visions"...
Content that WILL be added to the PC game "Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
*in the form of a PATCH
*in the form of a PURCHASABLE UPGRADE
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of an EXPANSION PACK (like Shadows of Luclin) that requires Aion: The Tower of Eternity to work
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of a STAND ALONE EXPANSION PACK (like Factions or Nightfall) that can function without Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
OR
Content that is NOT INTENDED to be introduced to the PC game Aion: The Tower of Eternity, but a separate entity/sequel such as Guild Wars 2
-----------------------
If none of the above, then what the hell was the purpose of releasing "Visions"? If it was just a PR stunt to create "buzz and hype" about the game, then I think it was a failed marketing move. Just two (2) months after release, you release a trailer with tons of upgrades to the current state of game. Two months after release, you show how awesome a brand new game COULD be... but no ETA or even confirmation that is is or is not "confirmed future in game content".
That kind of marketing move may have worked 10 years ago, but pulling that now when the majority of any MMO playerbase have played quite a few MMO's is a little silly. You potentially piss off the current subs, raise doubt in potential subscribers about motives and intentions of the future of the game, and further confuse people about the true intentions of the release of the Video while neither confirming nor denying ANY interpretation of reason... like it's some official review from a government panel that's worthy of giving cryptic and vague responses to in order to avoid accountability or responsibility. But I doubt he'll even read or care about the post let alone answer it, his last post before his recent "Damage Control" post on here was almost 8 months ago.
Making promises putting in excellent content with no ETA or fixing the game to the point of where it "should" have been upon release and it'll go down the road of Hellgate:London and Tabula Rasa.
But to all of you who are currently playing Aion, I want to thank you. You are supplying the finances to keep the game running and evolving so I don't have to. When the game finally looks like it's good enough to play and fixed the way it should be, then I'll pick up my copy. If the trailer is just "smoke and mirrors" advertising to get people to resub, or pick the game up for the holidays, oh well it's not my dime!
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
I'm having a very hard time understanding this. Is this trailer not actual gameplay? If it is gameplay, then surely they have started to work on all of it, and if not then big fail on NCSoft.
What do you think? Ofcourse not. All the stuff that you saw and isn't in the game yet, was just CGI material. As their current licensed game engine is so old, it doesn't even support it nor is it capable of supporting it.
But it's funny nonetheless, as I wonder how many sucke....ehh people insta resubbed to AION after drooling over this video and thought it would be the next expansion. LOL.
Cheers
They didn't say it was CGI material. They said that it's not footage of a planned specific patch or expansion.
They are fully free to upgrade the old engine. Just because the engine isn't capable of supporting it now, doesn't mean it won't in the future.
That is the problem. Cry Engine 1 cannot be simply upgraded to Cry Engine 2 and sure as hell not to the new Cry Engine 3!
As CryTek started from scratch with Cry Engine 2 and rebuild it from the ground up. And so not compatible for upgrade from Cry Engine 1!
So upgrading to either Cry Engine 2 or 3 or even a completely different engine will be an ENORMOUS task. Almost like completely starting from scratch. Not to mention the costs and resources it will involve.
Cheers
Hmmm... Something tell me I should skip on this one...Anyway.
-This trailer is not CGI (Computer-generated imagery) it is probably a render using the cryengine engine.
-All you've seen in the trailer can be done in CryENGINE 1.3 and that's probably the one they are using in Aion.
-GodRays and HDR effect are not limited to DX10, they can be done under DX9 (Many reviewers proved the point when they released Crysis(game) and some people were able to almost get the same results in DX9 than DX10.)
-CryENGINE can be upgraded and modded you can go from CryENGINE1 to CryENGINE2 without having to start from scratch
-Quote from wikipedia:"CryEngine2 is a game engine. It is an extended version of the CryEngine, the game engine behind Far Cry. CryEngine2 has been used for Crytek's game, Crysis; an updated version is used in Crysis Warhead, an expansion of Crysis; also the MMORPG Entropia Universe and Aion recently upgraded its graphics to the CryEngine 2." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryEngine_2
This is just a a pre-rendered footage using the in-game engine there are no "real" mechanics at work, they are showing you what they envision the game in the future. Is this so hard to understand?
Now the PR and Marketing dept. release the trailer as Aion Vision... And yes this trailer is a marketing tool. Get over it, everytime you drink a beer do you see 12 super hot chicks showing up in bikini in your backyard? When you spray AXE you girls get naked around you?
Are you 12 years old and believe Star Wars was actually filmed in space with real spaceship and all?
***
"everytime you drink a beer do you see 12 super hot chicks showing up in bikini in your backyard? When you spray AXE you girls get naked around you?"
If you are comparing a beer or deodorant commercial to that of the "Visions" trailer... then lets take a look at your logic.
"they are showing you what they envision the game in the future. Is this so hard to understand?" I guess not. So since the reality of women getting naked when I drink beer or use deodorant is absurd and impossible, the reality of Aion being anything like that of the trailer Visions, to you, is equally absurd and impossible. So to you, the reason the trailer "Visions" was made was just to get players to fantasize about what the game COULD be like, but in reality will never or could never be.
I guess that's what's confusing about the whole trailer. There are two ways of viewing it. Either it's smoke and mirrors bullshit, like you said... or it's what they're planning on putting into the game. If it's smoke and mirrors, then people will rage hard. If it's actual stuff they are going to put in game, but no where in the near future, then it's a slap in the face to the current subscribers. Also being cryptic about it just further raises doubt.
***
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
I'm having a very hard time understanding this. Is this trailer not actual gameplay? If it is gameplay, then surely they have started to work on all of it, and if not then big fail on NCSoft.
What do you think? Ofcourse not. All the stuff that you saw and isn't in the game yet, was just CGI material. As their current licensed game engine is so old, it doesn't even support it nor is it capable of supporting it.
But it's funny nonetheless, as I wonder how many sucke....ehh people insta resubbed to AION after drooling over this video and thought it would be the next expansion. LOL.
Cheers
They didn't say it was CGI material. They said that it's not footage of a planned specific patch or expansion.
They are fully free to upgrade the old engine. Just because the engine isn't capable of supporting it now, doesn't mean it won't in the future.
That is the problem. Cry Engine 1 cannot be simply upgraded to Cry Engine 2 and sure as hell not to the new Cry Engine 3!
As CryTek started from scratch with Cry Engine 2 and rebuild it from the ground up. And so not compatible for upgrade from Cry Engine 1!
So upgrading to either Cry Engine 2 or 3 or even a completely different engine will be an ENORMOUS task. Almost like completely starting from scratch. Not to mention the costs and resources it will involve.
Cheers
Hmmm... Something tell me I should skip on this one...Anyway.
-This trailer is not CGI (Computer-generated imagery) it is probably a render using the cryengine engine.
-All you've seen in the trailer can be done in CryENGINE 1.3 and that's probably the one they are using in Aion.
-GodRays and HDR effect are not limited to DX10, they can be done under DX9 (Many reviewers proved the point when they released Crysis(game) and some people were able to almost get the same results in DX9 than DX10.)
-CryENGINE can be upgraded and modded you can go from CryENGINE1 to CryENGINE2 without having to start from scratch
-Quote from wikipedia:"CryEngine2 is a game engine. It is an extended version of the CryEngine, the game engine behind Far Cry. CryEngine2 has been used for Crytek's game, Crysis; an updated version is used in Crysis Warhead, an expansion of Crysis; also the MMORPG Entropia Universe and Aion recently upgraded its graphics to the CryEngine 2." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryEngine_2
This is just a a pre-rendered footage using the in-game engine there are no "real" mechanics at work, they are showing you what they envision the game in the future. Is this so hard to understand?
Now the PR and Marketing dept. release the trailer as Aion Vision... And yes this trailer is a marketing tool. Get over it, everytime you drink a beer do you see 12 super hot chicks showing up in bikini in your backyard? When you spray AXE you girls get naked around you?
Are you 12 years old and believe Star Wars was actually filmed in space with real spaceship and all?
***
"everytime you drink a beer do you see 12 super hot chicks showing up in bikini in your backyard? When you spray AXE you girls get naked around you?"
If you are comparing a beer or deodorant commercial to that of the "Visions" trailer... then lets take a look at your logic.
"they are showing you what they envision the game in the future. Is this so hard to understand?" I guess not. So since the reality of women getting naked when I drink beer or use deodorant is absurd and impossible, the reality of Aion being anything like that of the trailer Visions, to you, is equally absurd and impossible. So to you, the reason the trailer "Visions" was made was just to get players to fantasize about what the game COULD be like, but in reality will never or could never be.
I guess that's what's confusing about the whole trailer. There are two ways of viewing it. Either it's smoke and mirrors bullshit, like you said... or it's what they're planning on putting into the game. If it's smoke and mirrors, then people will rage hard. If it's actual stuff they are going to put in game, but no where in the near future, then it's a slap in the face to the current subscribers. Also being cryptic about it just further raises doubt.
***
Yep pretty much it, we're not gonna see the game in the exact state they are showing us in the video... I'm glad someone else get it. Doesn't mean part of it, portion or concept won't be included in the future. Just that we won't see the game as presented in the video.
Have you ever seen those mmo trailers where the hero is talking to the npc, where everything is like a story unfolding? Well I have yet to see that in-game too, but the assets the npc are actually in the game, it's not as cinematic as the trailer.
Have you ever watched the AoC trailer with the rogue chick (Femme Fatale), the one that kill the drunken dude at the end?
-She's arriving to Tortage on a boat (There is no boat traveling in AoC)
-She kills another player in the city (There is no open PvP in cities)
-NPC interacting to player as she walk by (They only interact if you click on them and through a quest log window, some with audio)
-NPC reacting to the wound grasping his chest in pain (Yeah right...)
Would you prefer to see a trailer with shoulder cam in game and see a player walk and accept quest, grind mobs etc? Probably but it seems the majority of the consumers out there wouldn't like that, one european mmo did that last year and failed miserably with sells, I'll give ya a hint it was feature on this website and had a rolling deck for combat system.
People want to buy dreams, promesses to feel better.
and what part of the video named "Aion Vision" as in the future of Aion did you guys not get? all it is is stuff they are working on that will eventually make it into the game at some point... whats the point of arguing over this is the answer if obvious?
I just want to reply and say that I think my tweets have been misinterpreted. I will admit that they're short and it's easy for such an unfortunate misinterpretation to happen, but I will also have it said that I'm not claiming this not to be in-game content, I'm merely saying it's not a specific expansion or patch (at this point).
I see what you did thar. I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:
In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?
If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?
Ncsoft's expansions are always free.
Eye of the North was not a stand alone, nor a free patch. You lost The Game.
Factions and Nightfall, technically stand alone games, still are intertwined with the first campaign Prophecies. It's the same game, mechanics, interface, and gameplay-wise... just different content. Bullshit semantics aside, Guild Wars consisted of 3 stand alone expansion packs, and one true expansion pack. Then there's the Bonus Mission Pack, which early on you had to purchase X amount of goods (more char slots, unlocks with pvp, whatever) in order to unlock the BMP.
Now Guild Wars 2, has promises of many changes as well as graphics upgrades.
So again... the questions arise,
------------------------------------------------
Is the content in "Visions"...
Content that WILL be added to the PC game "Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
*in the form of a PATCH
*in the form of a PURCHASABLE UPGRADE
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of an EXPANSION PACK (like Shadows of Luclin) that requires Aion: The Tower of Eternity to work
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of a STAND ALONE EXPANSION PACK (like Factions or Nightfall) that can function without Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
OR
Content that is NOT INTENDED to be introduced to the PC game Aion: The Tower of Eternity, but a separate entity/sequel such as Guild Wars 2
-----------------------
If none of the above, then what the hell was the purpose of releasing "Visions"? If it was just a PR stunt to create "buzz and hype" about the game, then I think it was a failed marketing move. Just two (2) months after release, you release a trailer with tons of upgrades to the current state of game. Two months after release, you show how awesome a brand new game COULD be... but no ETA or even confirmation that is is or is not "confirmed future in game content".
That kind of marketing move may have worked 10 years ago, but pulling that now when the majority of any MMO playerbase have played quite a few MMO's is a little silly. You potentially piss off the current subs, raise doubt in potential subscribers about motives and intentions of the future of the game, and further confuse people about the true intentions of the release of the Video while neither confirming nor denying ANY interpretation of reason... like it's some official review from a government panel that's worthy of giving cryptic and vague responses to in order to avoid accountability or responsibility. But I doubt he'll even read or care about the post let alone answer it, his last post before his recent "Damage Control" post on here was almost 8 months ago.
Making promises putting in excellent content with no ETA or fixing the game to the point of where it "should" have been upon release and it'll go down the road of Hellgate:London and Tabula Rasa.
But to all of you who are currently playing Aion, I want to thank you. You are supplying the finances to keep the game running and evolving so I don't have to. When the game finally looks like it's good enough to play and fixed the way it should be, then I'll pick up my copy. If the trailer is just "smoke and mirrors" advertising to get people to resub, or pick the game up for the holidays, oh well it's not my dime!
The thing is, he said the content is not for a patch or expansion. By that, he might mean that the content shown in the trailer is not the content for a specific patch or expansion, not that the content won't be released through patches and expansions.
Ofcourse the trailer is meant to buzz and hype, that's what trailers are for.
Also, Keep in mind that this trailer was shown at G star. G star is a korean gaming event, Aion has already bee released in Korea for well over a year.
With that said, NCsoft is being very vague about this which is very annoying.
I just want to reply and say that I think my tweets have been misinterpreted. I will admit that they're short and it's easy for such an unfortunate misinterpretation to happen, but I will also have it said that I'm not claiming this not to be in-game content, I'm merely saying it's not a specific expansion or patch (at this point).
I see what you did thar. I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:
In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?
If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?
Ncsoft's expansions are always free.
Eye of the North was not a stand alone, nor a free patch. You lost The Game.
Factions and Nightfall, technically stand alone games, still are intertwined with the first campaign Prophecies. It's the same game, mechanics, interface, and gameplay-wise... just different content. Bullshit semantics aside, Guild Wars consisted of 3 stand alone expansion packs, and one true expansion pack. Then there's the Bonus Mission Pack, which early on you had to purchase X amount of goods (more char slots, unlocks with pvp, whatever) in order to unlock the BMP.
Now Guild Wars 2, has promises of many changes as well as graphics upgrades.
So again... the questions arise,
------------------------------------------------
Is the content in "Visions"...
Content that WILL be added to the PC game "Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
*in the form of a PATCH
*in the form of a PURCHASABLE UPGRADE
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of an EXPANSION PACK (like Shadows of Luclin) that requires Aion: The Tower of Eternity to work
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of a STAND ALONE EXPANSION PACK (like Factions or Nightfall) that can function without Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
OR
Content that is NOT INTENDED to be introduced to the PC game Aion: The Tower of Eternity, but a separate entity/sequel such as Guild Wars 2
-----------------------
If none of the above, then what the hell was the purpose of releasing "Visions"? If it was just a PR stunt to create "buzz and hype" about the game, then I think it was a failed marketing move. Just two (2) months after release, you release a trailer with tons of upgrades to the current state of game. Two months after release, you show how awesome a brand new game COULD be... but no ETA or even confirmation that is is or is not "confirmed future in game content".
That kind of marketing move may have worked 10 years ago, but pulling that now when the majority of any MMO playerbase have played quite a few MMO's is a little silly. You potentially piss off the current subs, raise doubt in potential subscribers about motives and intentions of the future of the game, and further confuse people about the true intentions of the release of the Video while neither confirming nor denying ANY interpretation of reason... like it's some official review from a government panel that's worthy of giving cryptic and vague responses to in order to avoid accountability or responsibility. But I doubt he'll even read or care about the post let alone answer it, his last post before his recent "Damage Control" post on here was almost 8 months ago.
Making promises putting in excellent content with no ETA or fixing the game to the point of where it "should" have been upon release and it'll go down the road of Hellgate:London and Tabula Rasa.
But to all of you who are currently playing Aion, I want to thank you. You are supplying the finances to keep the game running and evolving so I don't have to. When the game finally looks like it's good enough to play and fixed the way it should be, then I'll pick up my copy. If the trailer is just "smoke and mirrors" advertising to get people to resub, or pick the game up for the holidays, oh well it's not my dime!
The thing is, he said the content is not for a patch or expansion. By that, he might mean that the content shown in the trailer is not the content for a specific patch or expansion, not that the content won't be released through patches and expansions.
Ofcourse the trailer is meant to buzz and hype, that's what trailers are for.
Also, Keep in mind that this trailer was shown at G star. G star is a korean gaming event, Aion has already bee released in Korea for well over a year.
With that said, NCsoft is being very vague about this which is very annoying.
It was a bad PR move in the long run. A good portion are already calling bullshit. The hopefuls are going to resub or buy the game based on that trailer just in time for christmas, and will rage when nothing is put into the game as what promised in the trailer.
I mean seriously, ETA or no ETA... If you show something like that, the current subs are going to question what they're paying for and if they're already disgruntled by the state of game then showing them how cool their game "could" be isn't going to make them any more positive about what they're paying for.
By putting out that trailer, NCsoft has effectively told me that they are working on something better than what they have to offer now. I will wait until such a time, and many potentials probably will too. It's a massive risk lost revenue across the board and in the long run, all for getting a few sales in before Christmas. I mean I'm not trying to call Ayase out, he's just doing his job. But there must have been an Abilene paradox on a massive scale when this "Vision" was conceived and released.
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
I just want to reply and say that I think my tweets have been misinterpreted. I will admit that they're short and it's easy for such an unfortunate misinterpretation to happen, but I will also have it said that I'm not claiming this not to be in-game content, I'm merely saying it's not a specific expansion or patch (at this point).
I see what you did thar. I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:
In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?
If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?
Ncsoft's expansions are always free.
Eye of the North was not a stand alone, nor a free patch. You lost The Game.
Factions and Nightfall, technically stand alone games, still are intertwined with the first campaign Prophecies. It's the same game, mechanics, interface, and gameplay-wise... just different content. Bullshit semantics aside, Guild Wars consisted of 3 stand alone expansion packs, and one true expansion pack. Then there's the Bonus Mission Pack, which early on you had to purchase X amount of goods (more char slots, unlocks with pvp, whatever) in order to unlock the BMP.
Now Guild Wars 2, has promises of many changes as well as graphics upgrades.
So again... the questions arise,
------------------------------------------------
Is the content in "Visions"...
Content that WILL be added to the PC game "Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
*in the form of a PATCH
*in the form of a PURCHASABLE UPGRADE
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of an EXPANSION PACK (like Shadows of Luclin) that requires Aion: The Tower of Eternity to work
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of a STAND ALONE EXPANSION PACK (like Factions or Nightfall) that can function without Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
OR
Content that is NOT INTENDED to be introduced to the PC game Aion: The Tower of Eternity, but a separate entity/sequel such as Guild Wars 2
-----------------------
If none of the above, then what the hell was the purpose of releasing "Visions"? If it was just a PR stunt to create "buzz and hype" about the game, then I think it was a failed marketing move. Just two (2) months after release, you release a trailer with tons of upgrades to the current state of game. Two months after release, you show how awesome a brand new game COULD be... but no ETA or even confirmation that is is or is not "confirmed future in game content".
That kind of marketing move may have worked 10 years ago, but pulling that now when the majority of any MMO playerbase have played quite a few MMO's is a little silly. You potentially piss off the current subs, raise doubt in potential subscribers about motives and intentions of the future of the game, and further confuse people about the true intentions of the release of the Video while neither confirming nor denying ANY interpretation of reason... like it's some official review from a government panel that's worthy of giving cryptic and vague responses to in order to avoid accountability or responsibility. But I doubt he'll even read or care about the post let alone answer it, his last post before his recent "Damage Control" post on here was almost 8 months ago.
Making promises putting in excellent content with no ETA or fixing the game to the point of where it "should" have been upon release and it'll go down the road of Hellgate:London and Tabula Rasa.
But to all of you who are currently playing Aion, I want to thank you. You are supplying the finances to keep the game running and evolving so I don't have to. When the game finally looks like it's good enough to play and fixed the way it should be, then I'll pick up my copy. If the trailer is just "smoke and mirrors" advertising to get people to resub, or pick the game up for the holidays, oh well it's not my dime!
The thing is, he said the content is not for a patch or expansion. By that, he might mean that the content shown in the trailer is not the content for a specific patch or expansion, not that the content won't be released through patches and expansions.
Ofcourse the trailer is meant to buzz and hype, that's what trailers are for.
Also, Keep in mind that this trailer was shown at G star. G star is a korean gaming event, Aion has already bee released in Korea for well over a year.
With that said, NCsoft is being very vague about this which is very annoying.
It was a bad PR move in the long run. A good portion are already calling bullshit. The hopefuls are going to resub or buy the game based on that trailer just in time for christmas, and will rage when nothing is put into the game as what promised in the trailer.
I mean seriously, ETA or no ETA... If you show something like that, the current subs are going to question what they're paying for and if they're already disgruntled by the state of game then showing them how cool their game "could" be isn't going to make them any more positive about what they're paying for.
By putting out that trailer, NCsoft has effectively told me that they are working on something better than what they have to offer now. I will wait until such a time, and many potentials probably will too. It's a massive risk lost revenue across the board and in the long run, all for getting a few sales in before Christmas. I mean I'm not trying to call Ayase out, he's just doing his job. But there must have been an Abilene paradox on a massive scale when this "Vision" was conceived and released.
The goal of every trailer of any game that is already released is to make the viewer believe something better is on the way than they are already playing. The whole point of it is to show something new and better, not just more of the same.
It works like that for any trailer of any update or expansion.
This is an excellent PR move, because it gives players something to look forward to.
I just want to reply and say that I think my tweets have been misinterpreted. I will admit that they're short and it's easy for such an unfortunate misinterpretation to happen, but I will also have it said that I'm not claiming this not to be in-game content, I'm merely saying it's not a specific expansion or patch (at this point).
I see what you did thar. I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:
In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?
If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?
Ncsoft's expansions are always free.
Eye of the North was not a stand alone, nor a free patch. You lost The Game.
Factions and Nightfall, technically stand alone games, still are intertwined with the first campaign Prophecies. It's the same game, mechanics, interface, and gameplay-wise... just different content. Bullshit semantics aside, Guild Wars consisted of 3 stand alone expansion packs, and one true expansion pack. Then there's the Bonus Mission Pack, which early on you had to purchase X amount of goods (more char slots, unlocks with pvp, whatever) in order to unlock the BMP.
Now Guild Wars 2, has promises of many changes as well as graphics upgrades.
So again... the questions arise,
------------------------------------------------
Is the content in "Visions"...
Content that WILL be added to the PC game "Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
*in the form of a PATCH
*in the form of a PURCHASABLE UPGRADE
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of an EXPANSION PACK (like Shadows of Luclin) that requires Aion: The Tower of Eternity to work
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of a STAND ALONE EXPANSION PACK (like Factions or Nightfall) that can function without Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
OR
Content that is NOT INTENDED to be introduced to the PC game Aion: The Tower of Eternity, but a separate entity/sequel such as Guild Wars 2
-----------------------
If none of the above, then what the hell was the purpose of releasing "Visions"? If it was just a PR stunt to create "buzz and hype" about the game, then I think it was a failed marketing move. Just two (2) months after release, you release a trailer with tons of upgrades to the current state of game. Two months after release, you show how awesome a brand new game COULD be... but no ETA or even confirmation that is is or is not "confirmed future in game content".
That kind of marketing move may have worked 10 years ago, but pulling that now when the majority of any MMO playerbase have played quite a few MMO's is a little silly. You potentially piss off the current subs, raise doubt in potential subscribers about motives and intentions of the future of the game, and further confuse people about the true intentions of the release of the Video while neither confirming nor denying ANY interpretation of reason... like it's some official review from a government panel that's worthy of giving cryptic and vague responses to in order to avoid accountability or responsibility. But I doubt he'll even read or care about the post let alone answer it, his last post before his recent "Damage Control" post on here was almost 8 months ago.
Making promises putting in excellent content with no ETA or fixing the game to the point of where it "should" have been upon release and it'll go down the road of Hellgate:London and Tabula Rasa.
But to all of you who are currently playing Aion, I want to thank you. You are supplying the finances to keep the game running and evolving so I don't have to. When the game finally looks like it's good enough to play and fixed the way it should be, then I'll pick up my copy. If the trailer is just "smoke and mirrors" advertising to get people to resub, or pick the game up for the holidays, oh well it's not my dime!
The thing is, he said the content is not for a patch or expansion. By that, he might mean that the content shown in the trailer is not the content for a specific patch or expansion, not that the content won't be released through patches and expansions.
Ofcourse the trailer is meant to buzz and hype, that's what trailers are for.
Also, Keep in mind that this trailer was shown at G star. G star is a korean gaming event, Aion has already bee released in Korea for well over a year.
With that said, NCsoft is being very vague about this which is very annoying.
It was a bad PR move in the long run. A good portion are already calling bullshit. The hopefuls are going to resub or buy the game based on that trailer just in time for christmas, and will rage when nothing is put into the game as what promised in the trailer.
I mean seriously, ETA or no ETA... If you show something like that, the current subs are going to question what they're paying for and if they're already disgruntled by the state of game then showing them how cool their game "could" be isn't going to make them any more positive about what they're paying for.
By putting out that trailer, NCsoft has effectively told me that they are working on something better than what they have to offer now. I will wait until such a time, and many potentials probably will too. It's a massive risk lost revenue across the board and in the long run, all for getting a few sales in before Christmas. I mean I'm not trying to call Ayase out, he's just doing his job. But there must have been an Abilene paradox on a massive scale when this "Vision" was conceived and released.
The goal of every trailer of any game that is already released is to make the viewer believe something better is on the way than they are already playing. The whole point of it is to show something new and better, not just more of the same.
It works like that for any trailer of any update or expansion.
This is an excellent PR move, because it gives players something to look forward to.
But Ayase saying "but I will also have it said that I'm not claiming this not to be in-game content, I'm merely saying it's not a specific expansion or patch (at this point)." is easily construed as "I will neither confirm not deny that it is intended in-game content. There is no ETA".
Like I said, I'll pick up the game when they're finished. Till then, thank you all who are current subs that are beta testing for me till a more polished product is released. Nice to know they're goofing around with making hype trailers for the holidays instead of cleansing that bot problem of theirs. But oh well, not "my" problem.
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
I just want to reply and say that I think my tweets have been misinterpreted. I will admit that they're short and it's easy for such an unfortunate misinterpretation to happen, but I will also have it said that I'm not claiming this not to be in-game content, I'm merely saying it's not a specific expansion or patch (at this point).
I see what you did thar. I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:
In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?
If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?
Ncsoft's expansions are always free.
Eye of the North was not a stand alone, nor a free patch. You lost The Game.
Factions and Nightfall, technically stand alone games, still are intertwined with the first campaign Prophecies. It's the same game, mechanics, interface, and gameplay-wise... just different content. Bullshit semantics aside, Guild Wars consisted of 3 stand alone expansion packs, and one true expansion pack. Then there's the Bonus Mission Pack, which early on you had to purchase X amount of goods (more char slots, unlocks with pvp, whatever) in order to unlock the BMP.
Now Guild Wars 2, has promises of many changes as well as graphics upgrades.
So again... the questions arise,
------------------------------------------------
Is the content in "Visions"...
Content that WILL be added to the PC game "Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
*in the form of a PATCH
*in the form of a PURCHASABLE UPGRADE
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of an EXPANSION PACK (like Shadows of Luclin) that requires Aion: The Tower of Eternity to work
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of a STAND ALONE EXPANSION PACK (like Factions or Nightfall) that can function without Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
OR
Content that is NOT INTENDED to be introduced to the PC game Aion: The Tower of Eternity, but a separate entity/sequel such as Guild Wars 2
-----------------------
If none of the above, then what the hell was the purpose of releasing "Visions"? If it was just a PR stunt to create "buzz and hype" about the game, then I think it was a failed marketing move. Just two (2) months after release, you release a trailer with tons of upgrades to the current state of game. Two months after release, you show how awesome a brand new game COULD be... but no ETA or even confirmation that is is or is not "confirmed future in game content".
That kind of marketing move may have worked 10 years ago, but pulling that now when the majority of any MMO playerbase have played quite a few MMO's is a little silly. You potentially piss off the current subs, raise doubt in potential subscribers about motives and intentions of the future of the game, and further confuse people about the true intentions of the release of the Video while neither confirming nor denying ANY interpretation of reason... like it's some official review from a government panel that's worthy of giving cryptic and vague responses to in order to avoid accountability or responsibility. But I doubt he'll even read or care about the post let alone answer it, his last post before his recent "Damage Control" post on here was almost 8 months ago.
Making promises putting in excellent content with no ETA or fixing the game to the point of where it "should" have been upon release and it'll go down the road of Hellgate:London and Tabula Rasa.
But to all of you who are currently playing Aion, I want to thank you. You are supplying the finances to keep the game running and evolving so I don't have to. When the game finally looks like it's good enough to play and fixed the way it should be, then I'll pick up my copy. If the trailer is just "smoke and mirrors" advertising to get people to resub, or pick the game up for the holidays, oh well it's not my dime!
Guild wars is not P2P how would they get some money if they made everything free on it?
Go look in any online store you want and tell me:
Does CoX has any expansion?
Does Lineage 1 & 2 has any expansion?
Yea right.. none! because they were always free
Be thankfull that guild wars didn't had a cash shop and only made you pay for the expansions.
With all this talk about NcSofts awesome PR, it reminds me of the old Lineage 2 box. The one implying you can fly around in a dragon. Yeah a few Cs later we could fly on them....if you were 1 of the 5(then) castle lords. 5 people out of thousands, you have a better chance of getting a hot date sitting in the basement of your parents house while playing WoW.
I think NCSoft is getting more PR out of the flames from the people upset about the game than they ever got or ever would have gotten from the trailer itself. I hadn't even realized the trailer was out or watched it until after all screams of righteous indignation started.
I enjoyed the vidoe and was glad to see some of the ideas that they are considering but I no more considered the video to be a promise of things to come than I expect to see game play as depicted in many of the WoW trailers that Blizzard release. But, I found those trailers also to be very effective and got me into the right frame of mind and mood to want to be that hunter on the screen or that druid doing battle. The fact that when I got into the game it didn't have that cinematic scope was never an issue for me and I don't see this trailer for Aion or for any other game in the future being any different.
Maybe for their next production they can film the GMs banning people that way they can combine two PR events into one film.
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This what have they shown us on the Vision trailer wasn't a movie it was "GAMEPLAY".So they have done a lot of that what they wanted to show as.So this will "Vision" trailer will be soon realty.So stay tuned.
lol
I don't see how anyone who actually watched that trailer could think it would all be implemented 1) soon 2) all at once 3) all that stuff would ACTUALLY be implemented.
but to a degree you're right.
Edit - I at least have to give NC soft some credit, they're admitting this is what COULD happen not what WILL. People can't say down the road that they made broken promises.
I was going to maybe try Aion if it was going to be done in an upcomming expansion. Right now the game's just play ugly. The Animations suck, and it's just lacking anything to make me want to pay 15$ a month, buying the box or even downloading a 10GB client for a trailer.
What do you think? Ofcourse not. All the stuff that you saw and isn't in the game yet, was just CGI material. As their current licensed game engine is so old, it doesn't even support it nor is it capable of supporting it.
But it's funny nonetheless, as I wonder how many sucke....ehh people insta resubbed to AION after drooling over this video and thought it would be the next expansion. LOL.
Cheers
They didn't say it was CGI material. They said that it's not footage of a planned specific patch or expansion.
They are fully free to upgrade the old engine. Just because the engine isn't capable of supporting it now, doesn't mean it won't in the future.
I lol'd hard.
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Here's how great the game could be... but naw... no we're not REALLY going to do that... just show you how awesome the game could be. A patch? Oh no, no... we need the money so it'll be an expansion for more eye candy.
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I mean that's pretty much a slap in the balls, isn't it? If you went to a restaurant to order the new special... and while you're eating it the chef comes out and shows you the same dish but with more on the plate then says "I just wanted to show you how f'ing cool this could have been, but I'm happy you're paying full price for what I gave you because it's too much work to give you more now..." Wouldn't you be a little pissed?
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
dude...good point
I play all ghame
My thoughts exactly.
Unfortunately, in this day and age most people aren't very good at reading between the lines and/or thinking their way through things. In this regard, it never hurts for a company to be extremely direct, rather than vague about it's intentions.
Your fail comment, failed.
I just want to reply and say that I think my tweets have been misinterpreted. I will admit that they're short and it's easy for such an unfortunate misinterpretation to happen, but I will also have it said that I'm not claiming this not to be in-game content, I'm merely saying it's not a specific expansion or patch (at this point).
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Community Representative - Aion
Follow my twitter! aion_ayase
* In order to cover my back, things I write are of course subject to change.
I see what you did thar. I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:
In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?
If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
I see what you did thar. I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:
In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?
If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?
Ncsoft's expansions are always free.
What do you think? Ofcourse not. All the stuff that you saw and isn't in the game yet, was just CGI material. As their current licensed game engine is so old, it doesn't even support it nor is it capable of supporting it.
But it's funny nonetheless, as I wonder how many sucke....ehh people insta resubbed to AION after drooling over this video and thought it would be the next expansion. LOL.
Cheers
They didn't say it was CGI material. They said that it's not footage of a planned specific patch or expansion.
They are fully free to upgrade the old engine. Just because the engine isn't capable of supporting it now, doesn't mean it won't in the future.
That is the problem. Cry Engine 1 cannot be simply upgraded to Cry Engine 2 and sure as hell not to the new Cry Engine 3!
As CryTek started from scratch with Cry Engine 2 and rebuild it from the ground up. And so not compatible for upgrade from Cry Engine 1!
So upgrading to either Cry Engine 2 or 3 or even a completely different engine will be an ENORMOUS task. Almost like completely starting from scratch. Not to mention the costs and resources it will involve.
Cheers
What do you think? Ofcourse not. All the stuff that you saw and isn't in the game yet, was just CGI material. As their current licensed game engine is so old, it doesn't even support it nor is it capable of supporting it.
But it's funny nonetheless, as I wonder how many sucke....ehh people insta resubbed to AION after drooling over this video and thought it would be the next expansion. LOL.
Cheers
They didn't say it was CGI material. They said that it's not footage of a planned specific patch or expansion.
They are fully free to upgrade the old engine. Just because the engine isn't capable of supporting it now, doesn't mean it won't in the future.
That is the problem. Cry Engine 1 cannot be simply upgraded to Cry Engine 2 and sure as hell not to the new Cry Engine 3!
As CryTek started from scratch with Cry Engine 2 and rebuild it from the ground up. And so not compatible for upgrade from Cry Engine 1!
So upgrading to either Cry Engine 2 or 3 or even a completely different engine will be an ENORMOUS task. Almost like completely starting from scratch. Not to mention the costs and resources it will involve.
Cheers
Hmmm... Something tell me I should skip on this one...Anyway.
-This trailer is not CGI (Computer-generated imagery) it is probably a render using the cryengine engine.
-All you've seen in the trailer can be done in CryENGINE 1.3 and that's probably the one they are using in Aion.
-GodRays and HDR effect are not limited to DX10, they can be done under DX9 (Many reviewers proved the point when they released Crysis(game) and some people were able to almost get the same results in DX9 than DX10.)
-CryENGINE can be upgraded and modded you can go from CryENGINE1 to CryENGINE2 without having to start from scratch
-Quote from wikipedia:"CryEngine2 is a game engine. It is an extended version of the CryEngine, the game engine behind Far Cry. CryEngine2 has been used for Crytek's game, Crysis; an updated version is used in Crysis Warhead, an expansion of Crysis; also the MMORPG Entropia Universe and Aion recently upgraded its graphics to the CryEngine 2." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryEngine_2
This is just a a pre-rendered footage using the in-game engine there are no "real" mechanics at work, they are showing you what they envision the game in the future. Is this so hard to understand?
Now the PR and Marketing dept. release the trailer as Aion Vision... And yes this trailer is a marketing tool. Get over it, everytime you drink a beer do you see 12 super hot chicks showing up in bikini in your backyard? When you spray AXE you girls get naked around you?
Are you 12 years old and believe Star Wars was actually filmed in space with real spaceship and all?
I bought the game and played for a month. But since I can only play one MMO at a time (job, life and such) and there seemed to be a number of rough technical and gameplay frustrations, I cancelled my subscription and turned to something else. I saw this trailer and I found it interesting, but I guess I'll bother to resubscribe when the game is more like it's "vision"
It's nice they are trying to save face and post a message, but that post would be better to do on the aion site directly and clear it up with it's playerbase not people like me who unsubbed cause I call it PR machine BS. GL keeping that player base active my suggestion is to hire a more capable PR icon.
It's also because NCsoft is really vague about this.
All we want to know if this is actually inengine footage or if we're looking at a target render CGI?
I see what you did thar. I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:
In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?
If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?
Ncsoft's expansions are always free.
Eye of the North was not a stand alone, nor a free patch. You lost The Game.
Factions and Nightfall, technically stand alone games, still are intertwined with the first campaign Prophecies. It's the same game, mechanics, interface, and gameplay-wise... just different content. Bullshit semantics aside, Guild Wars consisted of 3 stand alone expansion packs, and one true expansion pack. Then there's the Bonus Mission Pack, which early on you had to purchase X amount of goods (more char slots, unlocks with pvp, whatever) in order to unlock the BMP.
Now Guild Wars 2, has promises of many changes as well as graphics upgrades.
So again... the questions arise,
------------------------------------------------
Is the content in "Visions"...
Content that WILL be added to the PC game "Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
*in the form of a PATCH
*in the form of a PURCHASABLE UPGRADE
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of an EXPANSION PACK (like Shadows of Luclin) that requires Aion: The Tower of Eternity to work
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of a STAND ALONE EXPANSION PACK (like Factions or Nightfall) that can function without Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
OR
Content that is NOT INTENDED to be introduced to the PC game Aion: The Tower of Eternity, but a separate entity/sequel such as Guild Wars 2
-----------------------
If none of the above, then what the hell was the purpose of releasing "Visions"? If it was just a PR stunt to create "buzz and hype" about the game, then I think it was a failed marketing move. Just two (2) months after release, you release a trailer with tons of upgrades to the current state of game. Two months after release, you show how awesome a brand new game COULD be... but no ETA or even confirmation that is is or is not "confirmed future in game content".
That kind of marketing move may have worked 10 years ago, but pulling that now when the majority of any MMO playerbase have played quite a few MMO's is a little silly. You potentially piss off the current subs, raise doubt in potential subscribers about motives and intentions of the future of the game, and further confuse people about the true intentions of the release of the Video while neither confirming nor denying ANY interpretation of reason... like it's some official review from a government panel that's worthy of giving cryptic and vague responses to in order to avoid accountability or responsibility. But I doubt he'll even read or care about the post let alone answer it, his last post before his recent "Damage Control" post on here was almost 8 months ago.
Making promises putting in excellent content with no ETA or fixing the game to the point of where it "should" have been upon release and it'll go down the road of Hellgate:London and Tabula Rasa.
But to all of you who are currently playing Aion, I want to thank you. You are supplying the finances to keep the game running and evolving so I don't have to. When the game finally looks like it's good enough to play and fixed the way it should be, then I'll pick up my copy. If the trailer is just "smoke and mirrors" advertising to get people to resub, or pick the game up for the holidays, oh well it's not my dime!
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
What do you think? Ofcourse not. All the stuff that you saw and isn't in the game yet, was just CGI material. As their current licensed game engine is so old, it doesn't even support it nor is it capable of supporting it.
But it's funny nonetheless, as I wonder how many sucke....ehh people insta resubbed to AION after drooling over this video and thought it would be the next expansion. LOL.
Cheers
They didn't say it was CGI material. They said that it's not footage of a planned specific patch or expansion.
They are fully free to upgrade the old engine. Just because the engine isn't capable of supporting it now, doesn't mean it won't in the future.
That is the problem. Cry Engine 1 cannot be simply upgraded to Cry Engine 2 and sure as hell not to the new Cry Engine 3!
As CryTek started from scratch with Cry Engine 2 and rebuild it from the ground up. And so not compatible for upgrade from Cry Engine 1!
So upgrading to either Cry Engine 2 or 3 or even a completely different engine will be an ENORMOUS task. Almost like completely starting from scratch. Not to mention the costs and resources it will involve.
Cheers
Hmmm... Something tell me I should skip on this one...Anyway.
-This trailer is not CGI (Computer-generated imagery) it is probably a render using the cryengine engine.
-All you've seen in the trailer can be done in CryENGINE 1.3 and that's probably the one they are using in Aion.
-GodRays and HDR effect are not limited to DX10, they can be done under DX9 (Many reviewers proved the point when they released Crysis(game) and some people were able to almost get the same results in DX9 than DX10.)
-CryENGINE can be upgraded and modded you can go from CryENGINE1 to CryENGINE2 without having to start from scratch
-Quote from wikipedia:"CryEngine2 is a game engine. It is an extended version of the CryEngine, the game engine behind Far Cry. CryEngine2 has been used for Crytek's game, Crysis; an updated version is used in Crysis Warhead, an expansion of Crysis; also the MMORPG Entropia Universe and Aion recently upgraded its graphics to the CryEngine 2." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryEngine_2
This is just a a pre-rendered footage using the in-game engine there are no "real" mechanics at work, they are showing you what they envision the game in the future. Is this so hard to understand?
Now the PR and Marketing dept. release the trailer as Aion Vision... And yes this trailer is a marketing tool. Get over it, everytime you drink a beer do you see 12 super hot chicks showing up in bikini in your backyard? When you spray AXE you girls get naked around you?
Are you 12 years old and believe Star Wars was actually filmed in space with real spaceship and all?
***
"everytime you drink a beer do you see 12 super hot chicks showing up in bikini in your backyard? When you spray AXE you girls get naked around you?"
If you are comparing a beer or deodorant commercial to that of the "Visions" trailer... then lets take a look at your logic.
"they are showing you what they envision the game in the future. Is this so hard to understand?" I guess not. So since the reality of women getting naked when I drink beer or use deodorant is absurd and impossible, the reality of Aion being anything like that of the trailer Visions, to you, is equally absurd and impossible. So to you, the reason the trailer "Visions" was made was just to get players to fantasize about what the game COULD be like, but in reality will never or could never be.
I guess that's what's confusing about the whole trailer. There are two ways of viewing it. Either it's smoke and mirrors bullshit, like you said... or it's what they're planning on putting into the game. If it's smoke and mirrors, then people will rage hard. If it's actual stuff they are going to put in game, but no where in the near future, then it's a slap in the face to the current subscribers. Also being cryptic about it just further raises doubt.
***
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
What do you think? Ofcourse not. All the stuff that you saw and isn't in the game yet, was just CGI material. As their current licensed game engine is so old, it doesn't even support it nor is it capable of supporting it.
But it's funny nonetheless, as I wonder how many sucke....ehh people insta resubbed to AION after drooling over this video and thought it would be the next expansion. LOL.
Cheers
They didn't say it was CGI material. They said that it's not footage of a planned specific patch or expansion.
They are fully free to upgrade the old engine. Just because the engine isn't capable of supporting it now, doesn't mean it won't in the future.
That is the problem. Cry Engine 1 cannot be simply upgraded to Cry Engine 2 and sure as hell not to the new Cry Engine 3!
As CryTek started from scratch with Cry Engine 2 and rebuild it from the ground up. And so not compatible for upgrade from Cry Engine 1!
So upgrading to either Cry Engine 2 or 3 or even a completely different engine will be an ENORMOUS task. Almost like completely starting from scratch. Not to mention the costs and resources it will involve.
Cheers
Hmmm... Something tell me I should skip on this one...Anyway.
-This trailer is not CGI (Computer-generated imagery) it is probably a render using the cryengine engine.
-All you've seen in the trailer can be done in CryENGINE 1.3 and that's probably the one they are using in Aion.
-GodRays and HDR effect are not limited to DX10, they can be done under DX9 (Many reviewers proved the point when they released Crysis(game) and some people were able to almost get the same results in DX9 than DX10.)
-CryENGINE can be upgraded and modded you can go from CryENGINE1 to CryENGINE2 without having to start from scratch
-Quote from wikipedia:"CryEngine2 is a game engine. It is an extended version of the CryEngine, the game engine behind Far Cry. CryEngine2 has been used for Crytek's game, Crysis; an updated version is used in Crysis Warhead, an expansion of Crysis; also the MMORPG Entropia Universe and Aion recently upgraded its graphics to the CryEngine 2." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryEngine_2
This is just a a pre-rendered footage using the in-game engine there are no "real" mechanics at work, they are showing you what they envision the game in the future. Is this so hard to understand?
Now the PR and Marketing dept. release the trailer as Aion Vision... And yes this trailer is a marketing tool. Get over it, everytime you drink a beer do you see 12 super hot chicks showing up in bikini in your backyard? When you spray AXE you girls get naked around you?
Are you 12 years old and believe Star Wars was actually filmed in space with real spaceship and all?
***
"everytime you drink a beer do you see 12 super hot chicks showing up in bikini in your backyard? When you spray AXE you girls get naked around you?"
If you are comparing a beer or deodorant commercial to that of the "Visions" trailer... then lets take a look at your logic.
"they are showing you what they envision the game in the future. Is this so hard to understand?" I guess not. So since the reality of women getting naked when I drink beer or use deodorant is absurd and impossible, the reality of Aion being anything like that of the trailer Visions, to you, is equally absurd and impossible. So to you, the reason the trailer "Visions" was made was just to get players to fantasize about what the game COULD be like, but in reality will never or could never be.
I guess that's what's confusing about the whole trailer. There are two ways of viewing it. Either it's smoke and mirrors bullshit, like you said... or it's what they're planning on putting into the game. If it's smoke and mirrors, then people will rage hard. If it's actual stuff they are going to put in game, but no where in the near future, then it's a slap in the face to the current subscribers. Also being cryptic about it just further raises doubt.
***
Yep pretty much it, we're not gonna see the game in the exact state they are showing us in the video... I'm glad someone else get it. Doesn't mean part of it, portion or concept won't be included in the future. Just that we won't see the game as presented in the video.
Have you ever seen those mmo trailers where the hero is talking to the npc, where everything is like a story unfolding? Well I have yet to see that in-game too, but the assets the npc are actually in the game, it's not as cinematic as the trailer.
Have you ever watched the AoC trailer with the rogue chick (Femme Fatale), the one that kill the drunken dude at the end?
-She's arriving to Tortage on a boat (There is no boat traveling in AoC)
-She kills another player in the city (There is no open PvP in cities)
-NPC interacting to player as she walk by (They only interact if you click on them and through a quest log window, some with audio)
-NPC reacting to the wound grasping his chest in pain (Yeah right...)
Would you prefer to see a trailer with shoulder cam in game and see a player walk and accept quest, grind mobs etc? Probably but it seems the majority of the consumers out there wouldn't like that, one european mmo did that last year and failed miserably with sells, I'll give ya a hint it was feature on this website and had a rolling deck for combat system.
People want to buy dreams, promesses to feel better.
and what part of the video named "Aion Vision" as in the future of Aion did you guys not get? all it is is stuff they are working on that will eventually make it into the game at some point... whats the point of arguing over this is the answer if obvious?
I see what you did thar. I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:
In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?
If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?
Ncsoft's expansions are always free.
Eye of the North was not a stand alone, nor a free patch. You lost The Game.
Factions and Nightfall, technically stand alone games, still are intertwined with the first campaign Prophecies. It's the same game, mechanics, interface, and gameplay-wise... just different content. Bullshit semantics aside, Guild Wars consisted of 3 stand alone expansion packs, and one true expansion pack. Then there's the Bonus Mission Pack, which early on you had to purchase X amount of goods (more char slots, unlocks with pvp, whatever) in order to unlock the BMP.
Now Guild Wars 2, has promises of many changes as well as graphics upgrades.
So again... the questions arise,
------------------------------------------------
Is the content in "Visions"...
Content that WILL be added to the PC game "Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
*in the form of a PATCH
*in the form of a PURCHASABLE UPGRADE
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of an EXPANSION PACK (like Shadows of Luclin) that requires Aion: The Tower of Eternity to work
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of a STAND ALONE EXPANSION PACK (like Factions or Nightfall) that can function without Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
OR
Content that is NOT INTENDED to be introduced to the PC game Aion: The Tower of Eternity, but a separate entity/sequel such as Guild Wars 2
-----------------------
If none of the above, then what the hell was the purpose of releasing "Visions"? If it was just a PR stunt to create "buzz and hype" about the game, then I think it was a failed marketing move. Just two (2) months after release, you release a trailer with tons of upgrades to the current state of game. Two months after release, you show how awesome a brand new game COULD be... but no ETA or even confirmation that is is or is not "confirmed future in game content".
That kind of marketing move may have worked 10 years ago, but pulling that now when the majority of any MMO playerbase have played quite a few MMO's is a little silly. You potentially piss off the current subs, raise doubt in potential subscribers about motives and intentions of the future of the game, and further confuse people about the true intentions of the release of the Video while neither confirming nor denying ANY interpretation of reason... like it's some official review from a government panel that's worthy of giving cryptic and vague responses to in order to avoid accountability or responsibility. But I doubt he'll even read or care about the post let alone answer it, his last post before his recent "Damage Control" post on here was almost 8 months ago.
Making promises putting in excellent content with no ETA or fixing the game to the point of where it "should" have been upon release and it'll go down the road of Hellgate:London and Tabula Rasa.
But to all of you who are currently playing Aion, I want to thank you. You are supplying the finances to keep the game running and evolving so I don't have to. When the game finally looks like it's good enough to play and fixed the way it should be, then I'll pick up my copy. If the trailer is just "smoke and mirrors" advertising to get people to resub, or pick the game up for the holidays, oh well it's not my dime!
The thing is, he said the content is not for a patch or expansion. By that, he might mean that the content shown in the trailer is not the content for a specific patch or expansion, not that the content won't be released through patches and expansions.
Ofcourse the trailer is meant to buzz and hype, that's what trailers are for.
Also, Keep in mind that this trailer was shown at G star. G star is a korean gaming event, Aion has already bee released in Korea for well over a year.
With that said, NCsoft is being very vague about this which is very annoying.
I see what you did thar. I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:
In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?
If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?
Ncsoft's expansions are always free.
Eye of the North was not a stand alone, nor a free patch. You lost The Game.
Factions and Nightfall, technically stand alone games, still are intertwined with the first campaign Prophecies. It's the same game, mechanics, interface, and gameplay-wise... just different content. Bullshit semantics aside, Guild Wars consisted of 3 stand alone expansion packs, and one true expansion pack. Then there's the Bonus Mission Pack, which early on you had to purchase X amount of goods (more char slots, unlocks with pvp, whatever) in order to unlock the BMP.
Now Guild Wars 2, has promises of many changes as well as graphics upgrades.
So again... the questions arise,
------------------------------------------------
Is the content in "Visions"...
Content that WILL be added to the PC game "Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
*in the form of a PATCH
*in the form of a PURCHASABLE UPGRADE
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of an EXPANSION PACK (like Shadows of Luclin) that requires Aion: The Tower of Eternity to work
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of a STAND ALONE EXPANSION PACK (like Factions or Nightfall) that can function without Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
OR
Content that is NOT INTENDED to be introduced to the PC game Aion: The Tower of Eternity, but a separate entity/sequel such as Guild Wars 2
-----------------------
If none of the above, then what the hell was the purpose of releasing "Visions"? If it was just a PR stunt to create "buzz and hype" about the game, then I think it was a failed marketing move. Just two (2) months after release, you release a trailer with tons of upgrades to the current state of game. Two months after release, you show how awesome a brand new game COULD be... but no ETA or even confirmation that is is or is not "confirmed future in game content".
That kind of marketing move may have worked 10 years ago, but pulling that now when the majority of any MMO playerbase have played quite a few MMO's is a little silly. You potentially piss off the current subs, raise doubt in potential subscribers about motives and intentions of the future of the game, and further confuse people about the true intentions of the release of the Video while neither confirming nor denying ANY interpretation of reason... like it's some official review from a government panel that's worthy of giving cryptic and vague responses to in order to avoid accountability or responsibility. But I doubt he'll even read or care about the post let alone answer it, his last post before his recent "Damage Control" post on here was almost 8 months ago.
Making promises putting in excellent content with no ETA or fixing the game to the point of where it "should" have been upon release and it'll go down the road of Hellgate:London and Tabula Rasa.
But to all of you who are currently playing Aion, I want to thank you. You are supplying the finances to keep the game running and evolving so I don't have to. When the game finally looks like it's good enough to play and fixed the way it should be, then I'll pick up my copy. If the trailer is just "smoke and mirrors" advertising to get people to resub, or pick the game up for the holidays, oh well it's not my dime!
The thing is, he said the content is not for a patch or expansion. By that, he might mean that the content shown in the trailer is not the content for a specific patch or expansion, not that the content won't be released through patches and expansions.
Ofcourse the trailer is meant to buzz and hype, that's what trailers are for.
Also, Keep in mind that this trailer was shown at G star. G star is a korean gaming event, Aion has already bee released in Korea for well over a year.
With that said, NCsoft is being very vague about this which is very annoying.
It was a bad PR move in the long run. A good portion are already calling bullshit. The hopefuls are going to resub or buy the game based on that trailer just in time for christmas, and will rage when nothing is put into the game as what promised in the trailer.
I mean seriously, ETA or no ETA... If you show something like that, the current subs are going to question what they're paying for and if they're already disgruntled by the state of game then showing them how cool their game "could" be isn't going to make them any more positive about what they're paying for.
By putting out that trailer, NCsoft has effectively told me that they are working on something better than what they have to offer now. I will wait until such a time, and many potentials probably will too. It's a massive risk lost revenue across the board and in the long run, all for getting a few sales in before Christmas. I mean I'm not trying to call Ayase out, he's just doing his job. But there must have been an Abilene paradox on a massive scale when this "Vision" was conceived and released.
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
I see what you did thar. I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:
In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?
If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?
Ncsoft's expansions are always free.
Eye of the North was not a stand alone, nor a free patch. You lost The Game.
Factions and Nightfall, technically stand alone games, still are intertwined with the first campaign Prophecies. It's the same game, mechanics, interface, and gameplay-wise... just different content. Bullshit semantics aside, Guild Wars consisted of 3 stand alone expansion packs, and one true expansion pack. Then there's the Bonus Mission Pack, which early on you had to purchase X amount of goods (more char slots, unlocks with pvp, whatever) in order to unlock the BMP.
Now Guild Wars 2, has promises of many changes as well as graphics upgrades.
So again... the questions arise,
------------------------------------------------
Is the content in "Visions"...
Content that WILL be added to the PC game "Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
*in the form of a PATCH
*in the form of a PURCHASABLE UPGRADE
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of an EXPANSION PACK (like Shadows of Luclin) that requires Aion: The Tower of Eternity to work
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of a STAND ALONE EXPANSION PACK (like Factions or Nightfall) that can function without Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
OR
Content that is NOT INTENDED to be introduced to the PC game Aion: The Tower of Eternity, but a separate entity/sequel such as Guild Wars 2
-----------------------
If none of the above, then what the hell was the purpose of releasing "Visions"? If it was just a PR stunt to create "buzz and hype" about the game, then I think it was a failed marketing move. Just two (2) months after release, you release a trailer with tons of upgrades to the current state of game. Two months after release, you show how awesome a brand new game COULD be... but no ETA or even confirmation that is is or is not "confirmed future in game content".
That kind of marketing move may have worked 10 years ago, but pulling that now when the majority of any MMO playerbase have played quite a few MMO's is a little silly. You potentially piss off the current subs, raise doubt in potential subscribers about motives and intentions of the future of the game, and further confuse people about the true intentions of the release of the Video while neither confirming nor denying ANY interpretation of reason... like it's some official review from a government panel that's worthy of giving cryptic and vague responses to in order to avoid accountability or responsibility. But I doubt he'll even read or care about the post let alone answer it, his last post before his recent "Damage Control" post on here was almost 8 months ago.
Making promises putting in excellent content with no ETA or fixing the game to the point of where it "should" have been upon release and it'll go down the road of Hellgate:London and Tabula Rasa.
But to all of you who are currently playing Aion, I want to thank you. You are supplying the finances to keep the game running and evolving so I don't have to. When the game finally looks like it's good enough to play and fixed the way it should be, then I'll pick up my copy. If the trailer is just "smoke and mirrors" advertising to get people to resub, or pick the game up for the holidays, oh well it's not my dime!
The thing is, he said the content is not for a patch or expansion. By that, he might mean that the content shown in the trailer is not the content for a specific patch or expansion, not that the content won't be released through patches and expansions.
Ofcourse the trailer is meant to buzz and hype, that's what trailers are for.
Also, Keep in mind that this trailer was shown at G star. G star is a korean gaming event, Aion has already bee released in Korea for well over a year.
With that said, NCsoft is being very vague about this which is very annoying.
It was a bad PR move in the long run. A good portion are already calling bullshit. The hopefuls are going to resub or buy the game based on that trailer just in time for christmas, and will rage when nothing is put into the game as what promised in the trailer.
I mean seriously, ETA or no ETA... If you show something like that, the current subs are going to question what they're paying for and if they're already disgruntled by the state of game then showing them how cool their game "could" be isn't going to make them any more positive about what they're paying for.
By putting out that trailer, NCsoft has effectively told me that they are working on something better than what they have to offer now. I will wait until such a time, and many potentials probably will too. It's a massive risk lost revenue across the board and in the long run, all for getting a few sales in before Christmas. I mean I'm not trying to call Ayase out, he's just doing his job. But there must have been an Abilene paradox on a massive scale when this "Vision" was conceived and released.
The goal of every trailer of any game that is already released is to make the viewer believe something better is on the way than they are already playing. The whole point of it is to show something new and better, not just more of the same.
It works like that for any trailer of any update or expansion.
This is an excellent PR move, because it gives players something to look forward to.
I see what you did thar. I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:
In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?
If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?
Ncsoft's expansions are always free.
Eye of the North was not a stand alone, nor a free patch. You lost The Game.
Factions and Nightfall, technically stand alone games, still are intertwined with the first campaign Prophecies. It's the same game, mechanics, interface, and gameplay-wise... just different content. Bullshit semantics aside, Guild Wars consisted of 3 stand alone expansion packs, and one true expansion pack. Then there's the Bonus Mission Pack, which early on you had to purchase X amount of goods (more char slots, unlocks with pvp, whatever) in order to unlock the BMP.
Now Guild Wars 2, has promises of many changes as well as graphics upgrades.
So again... the questions arise,
------------------------------------------------
Is the content in "Visions"...
Content that WILL be added to the PC game "Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
*in the form of a PATCH
*in the form of a PURCHASABLE UPGRADE
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of an EXPANSION PACK (like Shadows of Luclin) that requires Aion: The Tower of Eternity to work
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of a STAND ALONE EXPANSION PACK (like Factions or Nightfall) that can function without Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
OR
Content that is NOT INTENDED to be introduced to the PC game Aion: The Tower of Eternity, but a separate entity/sequel such as Guild Wars 2
-----------------------
If none of the above, then what the hell was the purpose of releasing "Visions"? If it was just a PR stunt to create "buzz and hype" about the game, then I think it was a failed marketing move. Just two (2) months after release, you release a trailer with tons of upgrades to the current state of game. Two months after release, you show how awesome a brand new game COULD be... but no ETA or even confirmation that is is or is not "confirmed future in game content".
That kind of marketing move may have worked 10 years ago, but pulling that now when the majority of any MMO playerbase have played quite a few MMO's is a little silly. You potentially piss off the current subs, raise doubt in potential subscribers about motives and intentions of the future of the game, and further confuse people about the true intentions of the release of the Video while neither confirming nor denying ANY interpretation of reason... like it's some official review from a government panel that's worthy of giving cryptic and vague responses to in order to avoid accountability or responsibility. But I doubt he'll even read or care about the post let alone answer it, his last post before his recent "Damage Control" post on here was almost 8 months ago.
Making promises putting in excellent content with no ETA or fixing the game to the point of where it "should" have been upon release and it'll go down the road of Hellgate:London and Tabula Rasa.
But to all of you who are currently playing Aion, I want to thank you. You are supplying the finances to keep the game running and evolving so I don't have to. When the game finally looks like it's good enough to play and fixed the way it should be, then I'll pick up my copy. If the trailer is just "smoke and mirrors" advertising to get people to resub, or pick the game up for the holidays, oh well it's not my dime!
The thing is, he said the content is not for a patch or expansion. By that, he might mean that the content shown in the trailer is not the content for a specific patch or expansion, not that the content won't be released through patches and expansions.
Ofcourse the trailer is meant to buzz and hype, that's what trailers are for.
Also, Keep in mind that this trailer was shown at G star. G star is a korean gaming event, Aion has already bee released in Korea for well over a year.
With that said, NCsoft is being very vague about this which is very annoying.
It was a bad PR move in the long run. A good portion are already calling bullshit. The hopefuls are going to resub or buy the game based on that trailer just in time for christmas, and will rage when nothing is put into the game as what promised in the trailer.
I mean seriously, ETA or no ETA... If you show something like that, the current subs are going to question what they're paying for and if they're already disgruntled by the state of game then showing them how cool their game "could" be isn't going to make them any more positive about what they're paying for.
By putting out that trailer, NCsoft has effectively told me that they are working on something better than what they have to offer now. I will wait until such a time, and many potentials probably will too. It's a massive risk lost revenue across the board and in the long run, all for getting a few sales in before Christmas. I mean I'm not trying to call Ayase out, he's just doing his job. But there must have been an Abilene paradox on a massive scale when this "Vision" was conceived and released.
The goal of every trailer of any game that is already released is to make the viewer believe something better is on the way than they are already playing. The whole point of it is to show something new and better, not just more of the same.
It works like that for any trailer of any update or expansion.
This is an excellent PR move, because it gives players something to look forward to.
But Ayase saying "but I will also have it said that I'm not claiming this not to be in-game content, I'm merely saying it's not a specific expansion or patch (at this point)." is easily construed as "I will neither confirm not deny that it is intended in-game content. There is no ETA".
Like I said, I'll pick up the game when they're finished. Till then, thank you all who are current subs that are beta testing for me till a more polished product is released. Nice to know they're goofing around with making hype trailers for the holidays instead of cleansing that bot problem of theirs. But oh well, not "my" problem.
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
I see what you did thar. I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:
In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?
If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?
Ncsoft's expansions are always free.
Eye of the North was not a stand alone, nor a free patch. You lost The Game.
Factions and Nightfall, technically stand alone games, still are intertwined with the first campaign Prophecies. It's the same game, mechanics, interface, and gameplay-wise... just different content. Bullshit semantics aside, Guild Wars consisted of 3 stand alone expansion packs, and one true expansion pack. Then there's the Bonus Mission Pack, which early on you had to purchase X amount of goods (more char slots, unlocks with pvp, whatever) in order to unlock the BMP.
Now Guild Wars 2, has promises of many changes as well as graphics upgrades.
So again... the questions arise,
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Is the content in "Visions"...
Content that WILL be added to the PC game "Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
*in the form of a PATCH
*in the form of a PURCHASABLE UPGRADE
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of an EXPANSION PACK (like Shadows of Luclin) that requires Aion: The Tower of Eternity to work
OR
Content that will be introduced in the form of a STAND ALONE EXPANSION PACK (like Factions or Nightfall) that can function without Aion: The Tower of Eternity"
OR
Content that is NOT INTENDED to be introduced to the PC game Aion: The Tower of Eternity, but a separate entity/sequel such as Guild Wars 2
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If none of the above, then what the hell was the purpose of releasing "Visions"? If it was just a PR stunt to create "buzz and hype" about the game, then I think it was a failed marketing move. Just two (2) months after release, you release a trailer with tons of upgrades to the current state of game. Two months after release, you show how awesome a brand new game COULD be... but no ETA or even confirmation that is is or is not "confirmed future in game content".
That kind of marketing move may have worked 10 years ago, but pulling that now when the majority of any MMO playerbase have played quite a few MMO's is a little silly. You potentially piss off the current subs, raise doubt in potential subscribers about motives and intentions of the future of the game, and further confuse people about the true intentions of the release of the Video while neither confirming nor denying ANY interpretation of reason... like it's some official review from a government panel that's worthy of giving cryptic and vague responses to in order to avoid accountability or responsibility. But I doubt he'll even read or care about the post let alone answer it, his last post before his recent "Damage Control" post on here was almost 8 months ago.
Making promises putting in excellent content with no ETA or fixing the game to the point of where it "should" have been upon release and it'll go down the road of Hellgate:London and Tabula Rasa.
But to all of you who are currently playing Aion, I want to thank you. You are supplying the finances to keep the game running and evolving so I don't have to. When the game finally looks like it's good enough to play and fixed the way it should be, then I'll pick up my copy. If the trailer is just "smoke and mirrors" advertising to get people to resub, or pick the game up for the holidays, oh well it's not my dime!
Guild wars is not P2P how would they get some money if they made everything free on it?
Go look in any online store you want and tell me:
Does CoX has any expansion?
Does Lineage 1 & 2 has any expansion?
Yea right.. none! because they were always free
Be thankfull that guild wars didn't had a cash shop and only made you pay for the expansions.
With all this talk about NcSofts awesome PR, it reminds me of the old Lineage 2 box. The one implying you can fly around in a dragon. Yeah a few Cs later we could fly on them....if you were 1 of the 5(then) castle lords. 5 people out of thousands, you have a better chance of getting a hot date sitting in the basement of your parents house while playing WoW.
I think NCSoft is getting more PR out of the flames from the people upset about the game than they ever got or ever would have gotten from the trailer itself. I hadn't even realized the trailer was out or watched it until after all screams of righteous indignation started.
I enjoyed the vidoe and was glad to see some of the ideas that they are considering but I no more considered the video to be a promise of things to come than I expect to see game play as depicted in many of the WoW trailers that Blizzard release. But, I found those trailers also to be very effective and got me into the right frame of mind and mood to want to be that hunter on the screen or that druid doing battle. The fact that when I got into the game it didn't have that cinematic scope was never an issue for me and I don't see this trailer for Aion or for any other game in the future being any different.
Maybe for their next production they can film the GMs banning people that way they can combine two PR events into one film.