I went back awhile ago and I just couldn't do it. Being a huge Final Fantasy fan is what got me into the game but to be honest its nothing like final fantasy. The player base and dev team is nothing but a joke. Instead of me feeling stronger as i leveled i actually felt weaker and weaker. One day i'm fighting the "Shadow Lord" said to be this amazingly powerful foe. Then the next day i'm fighting "Imps" which are a much much harder fight than the Shadow Lord and yet i'm pretty sure story line wise they were just supposed to be his scouts. Not only that but there arent a great deal of things as a melee to do in the game already but when you fight Imps they can silence you and/or take away all of your abilities which is all there is to do in the game for a whole minute. So all i'm doing is auto attacking for a solid minute...what kinda dev makes an enemy in the game that takes all of the joy out of it?! As soon as he debuffs me I just go take a dump and make myself a sandwich and come back and my character hasnt missed a beat. Even before that you fight birds that you cant use offensive spells on for like 8 levels. I mean what a joke! So no black mages in those parties...and in a game where soloing is either not possible or just takes godly amounts of patience and time why would the dev team even see this as a good idea?! As someone who likes to RP and respect lore i just couldnt lie to myself any longer. I had to cancel my sub. I understand making the game challenging but no other MMO just puts enemies in a game that completely 100% shut down another job leveling at the same pace others do. Not only that but the player base only cares about leveling and getting to end game, they dont give a crap about the journey. As a THF I get skills like Mug, Steal, and Gil Finder. Which are totally useless unless you fight humanoid mobs but guess what...nobody that plays that game wants to group up to fight humanoids because they are tougher...ok thats fine but why hasnt this been addressed by the dev team? Why not let humanoid mobs give a larger bonus than killing bats in Garlaige Citadel at level 35...really? Bats no bigger than my hand are giving my entire group of 6 people a fight at level 35. That just makes me feel like a peon. If you enjoy the game thats fine...but thats my 2 cents on why i'm not playing anymore lol.
I think the reason why i enjoy the game, is because I don't sweat the small stuff. The size of the bat is really a tiny detail that doesn't really change anything. It could be a huge werebeast or dragon and it wouldn't change anything. I've just always seen it as the difficulty increasing with level. Its not for everyone thats for sure. I'm just sick of all the race to level cap games out there.
I agree with you I am tired of the race to level cap games. Although I think you missed my point on the bat thing. My point is that i'm level 35 fighting a bat, its nothing that i feel should threaten my characters life at 35...i mean its a bat for god sakes, most MMOs if not all others atleast have the decency to let my entire group move past the fear of bats at level 5. I want my character to feel like he is growing and feel like i'm becoming more powerful and more skilled. Now they do that with weapon skills but then they beat me back down by making me fight a bat at level 35. Truth of the matter is I never fight anything threatening in that game. Bats, giant fish, mandragora, flamingo looking birds. I want to fight orcs, quadav, and other beastmen. Atleast then I would feel like my character is skilled as he is fighting a humanoid enemy with swords and spears. Instead i'm almost max leveling fighting a flamingo....*sigh*
Playing this game will also cause you to have a massive hate towards crabs as well.
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
YES AF is VERY hard in many cases,IF you do it as intended by the game,meaning level 50-60,with no 75's.
The AF gear is VERY good,but yes there is cases that it is not so great,but if your gil is low it is more than adequate gear.Also MANY players do not fully understand the reasoning behind many of the stats ,so don't knock what you don't know,most of the gear many players were using was not meant to be worn by everyone,but with so many 75's the available best gear became watered down.
What else are people mumbling about ?lol..umm ..oh ya Colibri the pink birds lol.
If i am not mistaken the reflect of spells is not a guarantee but is something to worry about for sure.I do not shun ANY player from my groups,if i had a BLM then i would find something else to fight,even though the choice is probably Goblins,i can't remember off hand.I actually think the choice was in Boyahda tree,witch is old school before they ruined the game with TOAU expansion.The Dev was more worried about saving face by adding the extra XP for TOAU than worrying about eliminating old camps.Even so it is about the fun and playing with others,i am not worried about xp,it is just virtual space and numbers they mean nothing,i would gladly goto Boyahda so my BLM could feel wanted.
I think the Birds although are very easy,are easily equaled by blm on crabs,witch is where they excel.The only bummer about crabs and crawlers is that you usually need dispel,meaning you are stuck if no RDM or some way to dispel.
I have not played in about 10 months maybe a year now,been a long time,if there is a bunch of people looking to play this game ,give me a shout to start a STATIC group.I would only play as a static,it makes the entire game go smoothly,because you can be organized ahead of time rather than worry about groups.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
sortis if u still talking about bats and low lvl mobs theres no way you even seen a imp.it sounds like u going off of what other ppl told u.those mobs that ur fighting are just lvlin mobs theres nothing great about them.u wont get to fight gods and other tough mobs until you get u a 75 and a few merits.thats when u start getting the gud armor and fighting mobs that can whip a 18 player alliance with one tp move.the importance of lvlin with a party on those low lvl mobs is so u can learn ur job that way when you do get to that lvl you will know what ur doing.
If you avoid a game because one player who may play it has bad grammar on a forum, then this as a representation of you, I don't want to run into you playing FFXI since it seems you quit or won't try anything new :P (No, my choice is based on past/present comparison. I was trying to have fun playing a game that was very dependent on grouping and combining talents and skills to be efficient. The people who typed like half of their keyboard didn't work were also the ones who were too lazy to care about skillchains, waiting for mana regen, getting their groups killed, ect.)"
Which is why you said this to spunkymoons grammar?
Originally posted by Lansid
If this is representative of what is on FFXI then no... I would rather go back to playing EQ, where every character I made was bound under the left ass cheek of Cazic Thule, and was physically forced to dry hump a cheese grater every time my toon died, instead of playing a game that kind of effect on it's players.
That's why I said what I did before, you said you weren't going to play FFXI because of grammar from one player >.>
Playing - EVE, Wurm
Retired - Final Fantasy XI, Anarchy Online, Mabinogi
Even so thats neither here nor there the information is still factual. My problem being that i'm fighting a flamingo at max level doesnt make me feel like a high level, atleast most MMOs have the decency to let me leave mobs like that behind by level 5-10. Hell in some mobs the things i fight in FFXI are critters that i can one shot. Now I loved how the AF quests made me feel like i was really important but then the AF armor is near worthless for 85% of jobs out there. The only time i ever wore my AF was as a PLD. Lets face it AF is supposed to be like Epic Armor from EQ or Tier Armor from WoW and its pathetic and the dev team knows its pathetic so why not re-itemize them and give them awesome stats? The sad truth is that there are no official forums for the game so the devs dont want to A) hear you complain dont care about it C) dont want to give the player base a voice so they can hear each others concerns and demand some changes or D0 all of the above. I'm not saying FFXI isnt a great game it is but it definitely needs some HUGE changes in a big way. If you enjoy it dont stop playing it and love it. Everyone has different tastes i'm just voicing my opinion as the OP invited me to by posting his. *crosses fingers for FFXIV to have these changes*
So you'd prefer there to be 1-2 mob types at the max level, instead of the bajillion right now? Flamingos and bats are there, along with huge Rams, Cockatrices, Manticores, Anticas, Marlboros and similar "high level" mobs.
AF quests are easy. The armor you get from easy quests shouldn't be superior in quality to armor you can buy for lot of gil. The AF armor for new jobs are pretty well balanced as well, and AF+1 armor you get later on has more than decent stats all around, so it's not a waste to do the quests even if you can't use the armor right away.
The devs read unofficial forums, but just because they don't reply to each "waah waah X sux" thread like in some other community doesn't mean that they don't listen. It's called "prioritizing", and it means that when resources are limited (especially in an old game ala FFXI) the devs have to fix things that are urgent before minor things such as few pieces of AF needing a slight alteration in stats for few jobs. Put things into perspective and you might realize some things.
Fanboy to the rescue! lol Dont get all butt hurt because i dont like what you like. Almost every mob you named off to fight at high levels is an animal. If thats what you enjoy...killing animals all day go for it, but dont blame me when PETA comes after your ass lmao! So let me get this straight...the dev team cares enough to get English to Japanese translators to translate what your posts say on un-official forums but they dont care enough to make official forums themselves that could be much easier to read and group like information together? lol sure and i'm Mickey Mouse.
On a side note prioritizing would be fixing whats wrong with the game now instead of adding new content, which is what they shouldve done long ago. You probably call the AF qussts easy because you've had a high level buddy go ace everything for you. If you actually try to do AF quests with people that are the proper level for the fights and key farming it can be incredibly difficult. Especially the bomb fight in Garliage for THF AF. Also I think you're ignoring the fact that they are your class specific armor. Not some crafted armor that 7 different jobs can wear, its made just for that job. In every other game that has armors such as that they are the best armor you can wear, why the hell would you even put a complete set of job specific armor in the game and do these huge epic quest line stories that integrate you into the story and then make the armor garbage....cause that makes sense. That is so illogical on so many levels its nuts. To beat it all its some of the best looking armor in the game, and if you played the old FF games chances are you probably love it considering it makes you look like a character or job from old FF games. Then you look and all the mismatched crafted armor people are wearing and they look like they just got raped by a salvation army thrift store.
Did you just skip over my post when I said AF isn't the best armor in the game? You get it way before max level, what makes you think once you get your AF your good for the next 20 or so levels >.>
No no i got it...wasnt aimed towards you...as far as that goes AF for most jobs though isnt even the best armor at that level...it wouldnt even be the best armor 10 levels before you get it, unless you're a tank. Not all jobs but most...
There is no armor that can be obtained by a casual player that is better than AF 10 levels before you get it. And no AF piece is garbage at there level, and very few pieces can be worn to max level, though it's not advisable >.>
Playing - EVE, Wurm
Retired - Final Fantasy XI, Anarchy Online, Mabinogi
If you avoid a game because one player who may play it has bad grammar on a forum, then this as a representation of you, I don't want to run into you playing FFXI since it seems you quit or won't try anything new :P (No, my choice is based on past/present comparison. I was trying to have fun playing a game that was very dependent on grouping and combining talents and skills to be efficient. The people who typed like half of their keyboard didn't work were also the ones who were too lazy to care about skillchains, waiting for mana regen, getting their groups killed, ect.)"
Which is why you said this to spunkymoons grammar?
Originally posted by Lansid
If this is representative of what is on FFXI then no... I would rather go back to playing EQ, where every character I made was bound under the left ass cheek of Cazic Thule, and was physically forced to dry hump a cheese grater every time my toon died, instead of playing a game that kind of effect on it's players.
That's why I said what I did before, you said you weren't going to play FFXI because of grammar from one player >.>
No, based on LAZINESS in not pressing two buttons because it was the same kind of people i grouped with in the past back when ffxi was first released that thos knd of ppl made havn fun n the game unpossible cuz the same knd of ppl that did it also didnt give a dam bout grp mechanics or common courtesy it wasnt that hard i mean cuz if its that hard to use a periodthenwhynotjustcutoutusingaspacebarbecauseyouhitthespacebarmoreoftenthanaperiodoracommaamirite?
So before you go white knight fangrrl again here's a PROTIP... read all the posts a person makes in a thread. Like, you know, the one directly above it. Go ahead and read it... I'll wait...
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There! Wasn't that hard, now was it? Now you can see that there were reasons other than playerbase that I wouldn't really go back that from what I gather still haven't changed! That's what, six years to make some minor modifications for a PC market? That's pretty lazy. Then a person who is a fanboi that can't press ",.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.," and uses a keyboard like "dey R txtn lol" makes a wall TL;DR with no punctuation and THEN says "but man some of the comments on here make no sense at all lol" gave me insight on the kinds of people who still played, which were very similar to the laziness of those who ruined the experience for me back when I played. However, I now see that the angry zealot elitists are alive and well too, as someone in previous posts also mentioned. Does that clear the air a bit, dear?
So stow the PAL attitu.... wait. Your page says:
Now Playing-Anarchy Online
Waiting For-FFXIV
So now I'm curious. Why are you playing Anarchy Online instead of FFXI? Also, if you've been reading anything on FFXIV, it's going to be the polar opposite of FFXI. So if you're a fangrrl of FFXI, chances are you'll despise FFXIV. ww ^_^;
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
Originally posted by Lansid <chopped for text wall>
Yes, because a vocal minority on these forums expressing bias makes up the ENTIRE game's population.
News flash; you'll get those types of players in every game you play because it's a wonderful thing called the internet. I could find a post on every game on site that is similar to what you described so I suppose you won't be playing any MMO for a while, huh?
I DID read all your posts, and what I said still stands >.> I'm not being a fangirl either, I don't even play FFXI since it takes a lot of time to do things. Fangirl pointing a flaw out? omgwfttheworldsending. I just pointed out you said your not playing a game because of what you quoted. I know you said other reasons before, but if you played FFXI you know it doesn't dumb down players like most MMO's, which what you said makes no sense.
Playing - EVE, Wurm
Retired - Final Fantasy XI, Anarchy Online, Mabinogi
I DID read all your posts, and what I said still stands >.> I'm not being a fangirl either, I don't even play FFXI (lol wut?)since it takes a lot of time to do things. Fangirl pointing a flaw out? omgwfttheworldsending. I just pointed out you said your not playing a game because of what you quoted. I know you said other reasons before, but if you played FFXI you know it doesn't dumb down players like most MMO's, which what you said makes no sense.
I never said the game dumbed people down. You're throwing that in there yourself. I have a logic error when a person is too lazy to use punctuation AND at the same time rag on the people who have valid negative issues regarding the game by saying they're "hating" and then say, "some of the comments on here make no sense at all". I'm sorry, I do realize there are all kinds of people on these interwebz, but the last thing I'm going to do is go back to a game that's annoying, dated, AND has any remote possibility that I would be forced to group with people who are lazy, elitist and oblivious, so sounded close to how it was like when I played it six years ago. AND I did say "IF"... so IF that is what FFXI is now, then it just increased the probability of me never resubscribing from 99.8 to 99.95 percent in lieu of previous grievances.
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
I DID read all your posts, and what I said still stands >.> I'm not being a fangirl either, I don't even play FFXI (lol wut?)since it takes a lot of time to do things. Fangirl pointing a flaw out? omgwfttheworldsending. I just pointed out you said your not playing a game because of what you quoted. I know you said other reasons before, but if you played FFXI you know it doesn't dumb down players like most MMO's, which what you said makes no sense.
I never said the game dumbed people down. You're throwing that in there yourself. I have a logic error when a person is too lazy to use punctuation AND at the same time rag on the people who have valid negative issues regarding the game by saying they're "hating" and then say, "some of the comments on here make no sense at all". I'm sorry, I do realize there are all kinds of people on these interwebz, but the last thing I'm going to do is go back to a game that's annoying, dated, AND has any remote possibility that I would be forced to group with people who are lazy, elitist and oblivious, so sounded close to how it was like when I played it six years ago. AND I did say "IF"... so IF that is what FFXI is now, then it just increased the probability of me never resubscribing from 99.8 to 99.95 percent in lieu of previous grievances.
Referring to my comment from before.
You can't base the game's population on one person posting on these forums. Every MMO I've played there have been the stereotypes of people that you mentioned, it's the nature of online games. Although, there hasn't been any elitism since I've returned but that may have to do with the fact that I'm not 75 yet. There has been a mix of lazy/oblivious people, but much less than other games in general.
The game is "annoying" you should seriously elaborate if you want to be taken seriously. That's your opinion, and I agree it has annoying features, but I wouldn't generalize the entire game as such. The only thing "dated" is the graphics, and they're standing up much better than most older MMO's. Oh and you're not forced to group with any one type of person in particular, you're just using an excuse to not play the game, which is perfectly fine despite lack of truth in your reasoning.
I DID read all your posts, and what I said still stands >.> I'm not being a fangirl either, I don't even play FFXI (lol wut?)since it takes a lot of time to do things. Fangirl pointing a flaw out? omgwfttheworldsending. I just pointed out you said your not playing a game because of what you quoted. I know you said other reasons before, but if you played FFXI you know it doesn't dumb down players like most MMO's, which what you said makes no sense.
I never said the game dumbed people down. You're throwing that in there yourself. I have a logic error when a person is too lazy to use punctuation AND at the same time rag on the people who have valid negative issues regarding the game by saying they're "hating" and then say, "some of the comments on here make no sense at all". I'm sorry, I do realize there are all kinds of people on these interwebz, but the last thing I'm going to do is go back to a game that's annoying, dated, AND has any remote possibility that I would be forced to group with people who are lazy, elitist and oblivious, so sounded close to how it was like when I played it six years ago. AND I did say "IF"... so IF that is what FFXI is now, then it just increased the probability of me never resubscribing from 99.8 to 99.95 percent in lieu of previous grievances.
Referring to my comment from before.
You can't base the game's population on one person posting on these forums. Every MMO I've played there have been the stereotypes of people that you mentioned, it's the nature of online games. Although, there hasn't been any elitism since I've returned but that may have to do with the fact that I'm not 75 yet. There has been a mix of lazy/oblivious people, but much less than other games in general.
The game is "annoying" you should seriously elaborate if you want to be taken seriously. That's your opinion, and I agree it has annoying features, but I wouldn't generalize the entire game as such. The only thing "dated" is the graphics, and they're standing up much better than most older MMO's. Oh and you're not forced to group with any one type of person in particular, you're just using an excuse to not play the game, which is perfectly fine despite lack of truth in your reasoning.
Lack of truth in an opinion... ok man that's fine. Makes perfect sense. gg
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
Honestly, if your avoiding a game because of player grammar and bad players, you should be playing FFXI, not avoiding it. Since grouping is almost a must, bad players and rude players get weeded out and get the bad reputation quickly. Sure there are other games, but your previous reasons is not a really good explanation, you'll run into those kind of players who don't know how to play there class way more often than in other MMO's, and the only other ones I can think of that has just as good as a community is Eve.
Playing - EVE, Wurm
Retired - Final Fantasy XI, Anarchy Online, Mabinogi
Why? Do you really want to play more race to level cap, solo questing games? Do you really want that easy of a game? Do you want adventure? Do you want the feeling of actually accomplishing something? Do you want social interaction? Do you want crafting that is a challenge not just a means to and end? FFXI isn't going anywhere. FFXIV is going to be a different game, more than likely alot like the current flavor of MMOs. FFXI needs people like you. The MMO player who is lost without a game, or just can't bear to kill 10 more kobolds should be playing FFXI. Forget about what will happen when FFXIV comes out and worry about what your doing now. There's a long gap until it comes out, and even if it does.. How many of you already play more than one mmo.. especially when they are vastly different games. If you've never played FFXI and you enjoy rich storylines with a deep "rpg" feel.. FFXI has been there all along waiting for you. Participate in.. Epic quests Nation rank missions that progress the story. These are very long and involved sometimes. Armor set quests Garrison Ballista Brenner The ability to play all jobs with ONE character. The ability to be in more than one guild at a time. Mog Housing/Gardening Chocobo breeding/Racing Chocobo mounts Burning Circle Notorious Monsters Kindred Seal Notorious Monsters Besieged Campaign Fields of Valor Moblin Maze Mongers Pankration Mercenary missions Salvage Dynamis/Sea/Sky/Limbus etc. Zilart Missions Chains of Promathia Missions Treasures of Aht Urgan Missions Wings of the Goddess Missions 3 Mini expansions I could keep going....... Instead of a game where everyone is at level cap, and everything below the level cap is OBSOLETE. Play a game where most everything is still viable today. Great group fun! I'm on Asura, and I urge you to join me. We can create a static group/linkshell and complete all the content from level 1 on! I know this is a FFXI related post, but this goes out to anyone who has no idea what to play, but knows they do not want to play another "wowclone" this is for you!
You know what? I've been thinking about coming back recently. Just reading this post has pushed me to resubscribe. Unfortunately my char is on Remora, but i think i will get a transfer to Asura. What results does /sea bring up there nowadays?
So rather then asking in another thread, I will just use this one. I recently got this game and I have some quick questions.
First an most important at what level can white mages begin to see groups consistently? As sort of a follow up would anybody mind giving a basic overview of how arcurate the inviteation section of job guide is in today's ffxi, not just for whm which I would guess will always do good for groups.
Second, early game economy is very broken with seemly every upgrade costing way more then any now tweaked character would have at these levels. Does this improve later in game? Basically I can not afford anything save spells and junk atm, excluding mission point rewards system items.
First an most important at what level can white mages begin to see groups consistently? Basically I can not afford anything save spells and junk atm, excluding mission point rewards system items.
Every job solo's from 1-10, and most can solo easily to 20+ and a few all the way to 75. WHM will be able to get groups easily around lvl 10-11.
Seriously, welcome to FFXI where at pretty much any lvl, and on every job gil is extremely tough to come by and takes a very long time to acquire large amounts of it. Yes there are ways to make gil very quickly...sometimes, by playing the AH if you have gil to spend, and there are quite a few quests and missions that give great rewards that to this day still sell for a ton of gil. Mostly spell scrolls.
I'd suggest you level THF to 5 for gil finder is it and 15 for treasure hunter trait, and during all your down/solo times play that and kill beastmen for the gil they drop and as thf you get a little bit more per kill and greater drop rate of items, or once lvl 30, sub thf and repeat. That is the most basic means of gil acquisition until you learn what drops what at a fair/consistent rate and it sells well on the AH in high demand and its not hard for you to acquire.
Click my sig, and visit my LS forums for an AH guide, for a few things that sell pretty well to get you started! Its very incomplete, but its a start at leading you in the right direction...
Lol, frankly I don't care how simple a game is, or how difficult the leveling system is. Ultima Online had one of the simplest gameplay mechanics, simplest leveling systems and was so much more complex than FFXI. In fact, people who play FFXI should play WOW. I don't even play WOW, but why would you grind 50 hours for a shitty endgame, one of the most linear MMORPGs I've ever played (seriously, the fact that games like Fallout 3 allow better class, character and skill customization in comparison to a mainstream MMO is just sad). Woohoo, I really wanna grind for hours on end when I can't really do ANYTHING IN THAT GAME ANYWAYS. WOOHOO
Your post in its entirety raises numerous issues - particularly to anyone who has actually played the game, or at least read about it enough to know all of what the game really offers. The OP's list of activities is pretty thorough, but even that list doesn't provide the full picture as many of the things listed are almost like entire games unto themselves with their own rules, goals, etc. Any one of them could easily account for many, *many* hours of gameplay by them self.
That said... the line in blue, about WoW.... yeah... you pretty much blow the rest of your post out of the water. Anyone comparing FFXI to WoW - even with all the changes made to FFXI recently - truly has no frigging clue what they're talking about. Even with some changes in the past couple years that I am not at all thrilled with, FFXI remains one of the very few, and ever decreasing number of MMOs on the market that still has the right to call itself a MMORPG. WoW lost that right a looooooong time ago, in my opinion.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I agree with you. I had to quit around my 5 year mark due to having a demanding wife, and a newborn daughter otherwise I would still be playing. I hope that FFXIV is more lenient with time demands so that I can enjoy it while still allowing for time demanding group content.
I DID read all your posts, and what I said still stands >.> I'm not being a fangirl either, I don't even play FFXI (lol wut?)since it takes a lot of time to do things. Fangirl pointing a flaw out? omgwfttheworldsending. I just pointed out you said your not playing a game because of what you quoted. I know you said other reasons before, but if you played FFXI you know it doesn't dumb down players like most MMO's, which what you said makes no sense.
I never said the game dumbed people down. You're throwing that in there yourself. I have a logic error when a person is too lazy to use punctuation AND at the same time rag on the people who have valid negative issues regarding the game by saying they're "hating" and then say, "some of the comments on here make no sense at all". I'm sorry, I do realize there are all kinds of people on these interwebz, but the last thing I'm going to do is go back to a game that's annoying, dated, AND has any remote possibility that I would be forced to group with people who are lazy, elitist and oblivious, so sounded close to how it was like when I played it six years ago. AND I did say "IF"... so IF that is what FFXI is now, then it just increased the probability of me never resubscribing from 99.8 to 99.95 percent in lieu of previous grievances.
Referring to my comment from before.
You can't base the game's population on one person posting on these forums. Every MMO I've played there have been the stereotypes of people that you mentioned, it's the nature of online games. Although, there hasn't been any elitism since I've returned but that may have to do with the fact that I'm not 75 yet. There has been a mix of lazy/oblivious people, but much less than other games in general.
The game is "annoying" you should seriously elaborate if you want to be taken seriously. That's your opinion, and I agree it has annoying features, but I wouldn't generalize the entire game as such. The only thing "dated" is the graphics, and they're standing up much better than most older MMO's. Oh and you're not forced to group with any one type of person in particular, you're just using an excuse to not play the game, which is perfectly fine despite lack of truth in your reasoning.
Lack of truth in an opinion... ok man that's fine. Makes perfect sense. gg
Yeah, because it's impossible to lie when stating an opinion, right?
So rather then asking in another thread, I will just use this one. I recently got this game and I have some quick questions. First an most important at what level can white mages begin to see groups consistently? As sort of a follow up would anybody mind giving a basic overview of how arcurate the inviteation section of job guide is in today's ffxi, not just for whm which I would guess will always do good for groups. Of course after level 10 WHM will get invites all the time for parties. It varies with different jobs. But the one thing to know is you can always make your own party. Second, early game economy is very broken with seemly every upgrade costing way more then any now tweaked character would have at these levels. Does this improve later in game? Basically I can not afford anything save spells and junk atm, excluding mission point rewards system items. Use vendor NPC's and not the AH in starter cities when it comes to equipment. Of course you should compare prices regularly, for when you need to sell and not only buy. You can't imagine how many people actually sell things on the AH for less gil, than they would to a vendor. Depends on the job really on how expensive things can get. Some of the big ticket items cost quite a bit, but you never need a big ticket item and there are some good cheap alternatives usually. Don't forget about the Field Manuals (floating books) outside towns. Easy exp and easy gil.
To be the best, you must help each other become the best. FFXI Character: Satimasu FFXI Server: Valefor FFXIV Character: Tamorae Fonteil
I really wanted to, but when they refused to take my debit card because my bank wasn't a member of a 3-D security service, well, what choice did I have?
Exactly what happened to me. Very disappointing as it is in many ways unique.
FFXI is my favorite MMO but I have to say.. I don't think anyone (who isn't already playing) should play it. Instead read up on and get excited about FFXIV... because that looks to surpass the great FFXI in almost every way
Square Enix has already stated XIV is going to be a DIFFERENT game than XI, and it's focused on smaller groups and highly casual gameplay. They will be offering two similar but different game styles, and personally, I'm excited for XIV to release but I have my fears of the above. I'm playing FFXI because I'm tired of quest grinders and one of the devs mentioned a similar quest based system for FFXIV.
If this is the case, I see myself returning to FFXI indefinitely unless they offer a combined subscription plan (which I doubt).
I have read up on FFXIV extensively, and from every source I read. I'm seeing a completely different game than FFXI.. one that is more akin to WoW and the current style of MMO than its big brother. Look at EQ and EQ2.. everyone thought that EQ2 was going to be the second coming of EQ.. and sorry to say, it was a huge dissappointment for those thinking it would be anything like EQ.. two completely different games. Most EQ players hate EQ2.. I'm not wishing that on FFXIV, but if they do what I've read they plan to do.. thats exactly what they'll have.
I dont think thats the case. There are hundreds if not thousands of people who play FFXI casually and are unable to progress because of it.
My own personal issue with FFXI, Iv been stuck at CoP for over 3 months now trying to get help with the missions. There is nothing I can do in my power to progress further than having all the jobs I want already at 75 than to get CoP done and do some limbus, But alas no dice. Personally Iv been playing FFXI since 2004, and I can't wait for FFXIV. Mainly because in FFXI I have to rely on other people to enjoy the game and in a lot of cases there's nothing in my power I can do about it. I know a lot of people who have this same problem. They are stuck at some point in the game where no one can or is willing to help because they are not at that point or many other reasons besides levels and jobs.
Bottom line is true FFXI will stick around after FFXIV comes out, but just like EQ1 it will loose a TON of players to FFXIV a few will trickle back with time, but it will be a huge hit at least for the casual not end game community.
FFXI is my favorite MMO but I have to say.. I don't think anyone (who isn't already playing) should play it. Instead read up on and get excited about FFXIV... because that looks to surpass the great FFXI in almost every way
Square Enix has already stated XIV is going to be a DIFFERENT game than XI, and it's focused on smaller groups and highly casual gameplay. They will be offering two similar but different game styles, and personally, I'm excited for XIV to release but I have my fears of the above. I'm playing FFXI because I'm tired of quest grinders and one of the devs mentioned a similar quest based system for FFXIV.
If this is the case, I see myself returning to FFXI indefinitely unless they offer a combined subscription plan (which I doubt).
I have read up on FFXIV extensively, and from every source I read. I'm seeing a completely different game than FFXI.. one that is more akin to WoW and the current style of MMO than its big brother. Look at EQ and EQ2.. everyone thought that EQ2 was going to be the second coming of EQ.. and sorry to say, it was a huge dissappointment for those thinking it would be anything like EQ.. two completely different games. Most EQ players hate EQ2.. I'm not wishing that on FFXIV, but if they do what I've read they plan to do.. thats exactly what they'll have.
I dont think thats the case. There are hundreds if not thousands of people who play FFXI casually and are unable to progress because of it.
My own personal issue with FFXI, Iv been stuck at CoP for over 3 months now trying to get help with the missions. There is nothing I can do in my power to progress further than having all the jobs I want already at 75 than to get CoP done and do some limbus, But alas no dice. Personally Iv been playing FFXI since 2004, and I can't wait for FFXIV. Mainly because in FFXI I have to rely on other people to enjoy the game and in a lot of cases there's nothing in my power I can do about it. I know a lot of people who have this same problem. They are stuck at some point in the game where no one can or is willing to help because they are not at that point or many other reasons besides levels and jobs.
Bottom line is true FFXI will stick around after FFXIV comes out, but just like EQ1 it will loose a TON of players to FFXIV a few will trickle back with time, but it will be a huge hit at least for the casual not end game community.
That basically boils down to the reason that I quit.
I got tired of being forced to need a group to get anything done.
While I understand "lol why play an MMO if you don't want to group?!", and its because not every day do i have time to log in and deal with others BS. Some days I want to log in, play by myself, then get a group later, or vice versa. I didn't like the option of not being able to solo effectively.
Sure World of Warcraft was easy, and yes they did make it easier but when you compare it to FFXI you can tell that they really never did anything to accommodate players who still want to be a part of Vana Deil,
This game is still group heavy and if you lack a group then your pretty much at a stalemate. You talk about rank missions, well good luck getting help with certain missions. While were at it we can throw in the storylines from every major expansion pack as well. I found it a huge pain back when FFXi was more heavily populated. So good luck getting to immerse yourself in an epic quest. IF you don't have a shell who constantly runs those or you can't make your scedule work. Your pretty much SOL now as well as back then.
Artifact quests, and job quests, level break quests require more parting, or the luck of nabbing a bored 75 on their way to somewhere who can lend a few minutes.
Xping isn't exactly as easy as other want to make it out either. Even with capped skills I still find myself in haiiry situations with a mob whos barely a Decent Challenge add in a wrong job or wrong subjob combo and you pretty much hit a stalemate soloing exp wise. An really who wants to grind for 80 exp on an EP when you need 10k-45k exp to level. We make fun of questing in Wow because of repetitiveness, yet our #1 xp defense for FFXI is campaign til the cows come home.
Returning back I was hoping to find some things to do leveling wise with some of the more silly classes like Pup but to be honest my server si dead. PRimetime I am at 932 total on, 453 are 75 and 126 are lvls 1-10 in Rollans. In that number I really can't say whos the afkers cause if I could point out inactivity I bet bout 65% of the server is AFK.
Gear is pretty much something to point out at. Its odd that some of the top end gear to this day is stuff from SKY and how old is that place. Something is wrong when you can come back from over a year layoff and still have whats considered the highend gear.
Wow has its own bucket of faults but when you break it down an MMO shouldnt be a cake walk like Wow, but it should t alienate you like FFXI does.
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I think the reason why i enjoy the game, is because I don't sweat the small stuff. The size of the bat is really a tiny detail that doesn't really change anything. It could be a huge werebeast or dragon and it wouldn't change anything. I've just always seen it as the difficulty increasing with level. Its not for everyone thats for sure. I'm just sick of all the race to level cap games out there.
I agree with you I am tired of the race to level cap games. Although I think you missed my point on the bat thing. My point is that i'm level 35 fighting a bat, its nothing that i feel should threaten my characters life at 35...i mean its a bat for god sakes, most MMOs if not all others atleast have the decency to let my entire group move past the fear of bats at level 5. I want my character to feel like he is growing and feel like i'm becoming more powerful and more skilled. Now they do that with weapon skills but then they beat me back down by making me fight a bat at level 35. Truth of the matter is I never fight anything threatening in that game. Bats, giant fish, mandragora, flamingo looking birds. I want to fight orcs, quadav, and other beastmen. Atleast then I would feel like my character is skilled as he is fighting a humanoid enemy with swords and spears. Instead i'm almost max leveling fighting a flamingo....*sigh*
Playing this game will also cause you to have a massive hate towards crabs as well.
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
So many FFXI topics that are slandered here lol.
YES AF is VERY hard in many cases,IF you do it as intended by the game,meaning level 50-60,with no 75's.
The AF gear is VERY good,but yes there is cases that it is not so great,but if your gil is low it is more than adequate gear.Also MANY players do not fully understand the reasoning behind many of the stats ,so don't knock what you don't know,most of the gear many players were using was not meant to be worn by everyone,but with so many 75's the available best gear became watered down.
What else are people mumbling about ?lol..umm ..oh ya Colibri the pink birds lol.
If i am not mistaken the reflect of spells is not a guarantee but is something to worry about for sure.I do not shun ANY player from my groups,if i had a BLM then i would find something else to fight,even though the choice is probably Goblins,i can't remember off hand.I actually think the choice was in Boyahda tree,witch is old school before they ruined the game with TOAU expansion.The Dev was more worried about saving face by adding the extra XP for TOAU than worrying about eliminating old camps.Even so it is about the fun and playing with others,i am not worried about xp,it is just virtual space and numbers they mean nothing,i would gladly goto Boyahda so my BLM could feel wanted.
I think the Birds although are very easy,are easily equaled by blm on crabs,witch is where they excel.The only bummer about crabs and crawlers is that you usually need dispel,meaning you are stuck if no RDM or some way to dispel.
I have not played in about 10 months maybe a year now,been a long time,if there is a bunch of people looking to play this game ,give me a shout to start a STATIC group.I would only play as a static,it makes the entire game go smoothly,because you can be organized ahead of time rather than worry about groups.
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sortis if u still talking about bats and low lvl mobs theres no way you even seen a imp.it sounds like u going off of what other ppl told u.those mobs that ur fighting are just lvlin mobs theres nothing great about them.u wont get to fight gods and other tough mobs until you get u a 75 and a few merits.thats when u start getting the gud armor and fighting mobs that can whip a 18 player alliance with one tp move.the importance of lvlin with a party on those low lvl mobs is so u can learn ur job that way when you do get to that lvl you will know what ur doing.
spunkymon
Which is why you said this to spunkymoons grammar?
Originally posted by Lansid
If this is representative of what is on FFXI then no... I would rather go back to playing EQ, where every character I made was bound under the left ass cheek of Cazic Thule, and was physically forced to dry hump a cheese grater every time my toon died, instead of playing a game that kind of effect on it's players.
That's why I said what I did before, you said you weren't going to play FFXI because of grammar from one player >.>
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So you'd prefer there to be 1-2 mob types at the max level, instead of the bajillion right now? Flamingos and bats are there, along with huge Rams, Cockatrices, Manticores, Anticas, Marlboros and similar "high level" mobs.
AF quests are easy. The armor you get from easy quests shouldn't be superior in quality to armor you can buy for lot of gil. The AF armor for new jobs are pretty well balanced as well, and AF+1 armor you get later on has more than decent stats all around, so it's not a waste to do the quests even if you can't use the armor right away.
The devs read unofficial forums, but just because they don't reply to each "waah waah X sux" thread like in some other community doesn't mean that they don't listen. It's called "prioritizing", and it means that when resources are limited (especially in an old game ala FFXI) the devs have to fix things that are urgent before minor things such as few pieces of AF needing a slight alteration in stats for few jobs. Put things into perspective and you might realize some things.
Fanboy to the rescue! lol Dont get all butt hurt because i dont like what you like. Almost every mob you named off to fight at high levels is an animal. If thats what you enjoy...killing animals all day go for it, but dont blame me when PETA comes after your ass lmao! So let me get this straight...the dev team cares enough to get English to Japanese translators to translate what your posts say on un-official forums but they dont care enough to make official forums themselves that could be much easier to read and group like information together? lol sure and i'm Mickey Mouse.
On a side note prioritizing would be fixing whats wrong with the game now instead of adding new content, which is what they shouldve done long ago. You probably call the AF qussts easy because you've had a high level buddy go ace everything for you. If you actually try to do AF quests with people that are the proper level for the fights and key farming it can be incredibly difficult. Especially the bomb fight in Garliage for THF AF. Also I think you're ignoring the fact that they are your class specific armor. Not some crafted armor that 7 different jobs can wear, its made just for that job. In every other game that has armors such as that they are the best armor you can wear, why the hell would you even put a complete set of job specific armor in the game and do these huge epic quest line stories that integrate you into the story and then make the armor garbage....cause that makes sense. That is so illogical on so many levels its nuts. To beat it all its some of the best looking armor in the game, and if you played the old FF games chances are you probably love it considering it makes you look like a character or job from old FF games. Then you look and all the mismatched crafted armor people are wearing and they look like they just got raped by a salvation army thrift store.
Did you just skip over my post when I said AF isn't the best armor in the game? You get it way before max level, what makes you think once you get your AF your good for the next 20 or so levels >.>
No no i got it...wasnt aimed towards you...as far as that goes AF for most jobs though isnt even the best armor at that level...it wouldnt even be the best armor 10 levels before you get it, unless you're a tank. Not all jobs but most...
There is no armor that can be obtained by a casual player that is better than AF 10 levels before you get it. And no AF piece is garbage at there level, and very few pieces can be worn to max level, though it's not advisable >.>
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Which is why you said this to spunkymoons grammar?
Originally posted by Lansid
If this is representative of what is on FFXI then no... I would rather go back to playing EQ, where every character I made was bound under the left ass cheek of Cazic Thule, and was physically forced to dry hump a cheese grater every time my toon died, instead of playing a game that kind of effect on it's players.
That's why I said what I did before, you said you weren't going to play FFXI because of grammar from one player >.>
No, based on LAZINESS in not pressing two buttons because it was the same kind of people i grouped with in the past back when ffxi was first released that thos knd of ppl made havn fun n the game unpossible cuz the same knd of ppl that did it also didnt give a dam bout grp mechanics or common courtesy it wasnt that hard i mean cuz if its that hard to use a periodthenwhynotjustcutoutusingaspacebarbecauseyouhitthespacebarmoreoftenthanaperiodoracommaamirite?
So before you go white knight fangrrl again here's a PROTIP... read all the posts a person makes in a thread. Like, you know, the one directly above it. Go ahead and read it... I'll wait...
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There! Wasn't that hard, now was it? Now you can see that there were reasons other than playerbase that I wouldn't really go back that from what I gather still haven't changed! That's what, six years to make some minor modifications for a PC market? That's pretty lazy. Then a person who is a fanboi that can't press ",.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.," and uses a keyboard like "dey R txtn lol" makes a wall TL;DR with no punctuation and THEN says "but man some of the comments on here make no sense at all lol" gave me insight on the kinds of people who still played, which were very similar to the laziness of those who ruined the experience for me back when I played. However, I now see that the angry zealot elitists are alive and well too, as someone in previous posts also mentioned. Does that clear the air a bit, dear?
So stow the PAL attitu.... wait. Your page says:
Now Playing-Anarchy Online
Waiting For-FFXIV
So now I'm curious. Why are you playing Anarchy Online instead of FFXI? Also, if you've been reading anything on FFXIV, it's going to be the polar opposite of FFXI. So if you're a fangrrl of FFXI, chances are you'll despise FFXIV. ww ^_^;
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
Yes, because a vocal minority on these forums expressing bias makes up the ENTIRE game's population.
News flash; you'll get those types of players in every game you play because it's a wonderful thing called the internet. I could find a post on every game on site that is similar to what you described so I suppose you won't be playing any MMO for a while, huh?
I DID read all your posts, and what I said still stands >.> I'm not being a fangirl either, I don't even play FFXI since it takes a lot of time to do things. Fangirl pointing a flaw out? omgwfttheworldsending. I just pointed out you said your not playing a game because of what you quoted. I know you said other reasons before, but if you played FFXI you know it doesn't dumb down players like most MMO's, which what you said makes no sense.
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I never said the game dumbed people down. You're throwing that in there yourself. I have a logic error when a person is too lazy to use punctuation AND at the same time rag on the people who have valid negative issues regarding the game by saying they're "hating" and then say, "some of the comments on here make no sense at all". I'm sorry, I do realize there are all kinds of people on these interwebz, but the last thing I'm going to do is go back to a game that's annoying, dated, AND has any remote possibility that I would be forced to group with people who are lazy, elitist and oblivious, so sounded close to how it was like when I played it six years ago. AND I did say "IF"... so IF that is what FFXI is now, then it just increased the probability of me never resubscribing from 99.8 to 99.95 percent in lieu of previous grievances.
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
I never said the game dumbed people down. You're throwing that in there yourself. I have a logic error when a person is too lazy to use punctuation AND at the same time rag on the people who have valid negative issues regarding the game by saying they're "hating" and then say, "some of the comments on here make no sense at all". I'm sorry, I do realize there are all kinds of people on these interwebz, but the last thing I'm going to do is go back to a game that's annoying, dated, AND has any remote possibility that I would be forced to group with people who are lazy, elitist and oblivious, so sounded close to how it was like when I played it six years ago. AND I did say "IF"... so IF that is what FFXI is now, then it just increased the probability of me never resubscribing from 99.8 to 99.95 percent in lieu of previous grievances.
Referring to my comment from before.
You can't base the game's population on one person posting on these forums. Every MMO I've played there have been the stereotypes of people that you mentioned, it's the nature of online games. Although, there hasn't been any elitism since I've returned but that may have to do with the fact that I'm not 75 yet. There has been a mix of lazy/oblivious people, but much less than other games in general.
The game is "annoying" you should seriously elaborate if you want to be taken seriously. That's your opinion, and I agree it has annoying features, but I wouldn't generalize the entire game as such. The only thing "dated" is the graphics, and they're standing up much better than most older MMO's. Oh and you're not forced to group with any one type of person in particular, you're just using an excuse to not play the game, which is perfectly fine despite lack of truth in your reasoning.
I never said the game dumbed people down. You're throwing that in there yourself. I have a logic error when a person is too lazy to use punctuation AND at the same time rag on the people who have valid negative issues regarding the game by saying they're "hating" and then say, "some of the comments on here make no sense at all". I'm sorry, I do realize there are all kinds of people on these interwebz, but the last thing I'm going to do is go back to a game that's annoying, dated, AND has any remote possibility that I would be forced to group with people who are lazy, elitist and oblivious, so sounded close to how it was like when I played it six years ago. AND I did say "IF"... so IF that is what FFXI is now, then it just increased the probability of me never resubscribing from 99.8 to 99.95 percent in lieu of previous grievances.
Referring to my comment from before.
You can't base the game's population on one person posting on these forums. Every MMO I've played there have been the stereotypes of people that you mentioned, it's the nature of online games. Although, there hasn't been any elitism since I've returned but that may have to do with the fact that I'm not 75 yet. There has been a mix of lazy/oblivious people, but much less than other games in general.
The game is "annoying" you should seriously elaborate if you want to be taken seriously. That's your opinion, and I agree it has annoying features, but I wouldn't generalize the entire game as such. The only thing "dated" is the graphics, and they're standing up much better than most older MMO's. Oh and you're not forced to group with any one type of person in particular, you're just using an excuse to not play the game, which is perfectly fine despite lack of truth in your reasoning.
Lack of truth in an opinion... ok man that's fine. Makes perfect sense. gg
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
Honestly, if your avoiding a game because of player grammar and bad players, you should be playing FFXI, not avoiding it. Since grouping is almost a must, bad players and rude players get weeded out and get the bad reputation quickly. Sure there are other games, but your previous reasons is not a really good explanation, you'll run into those kind of players who don't know how to play there class way more often than in other MMO's, and the only other ones I can think of that has just as good as a community is Eve.
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You know what? I've been thinking about coming back recently. Just reading this post has pushed me to resubscribe. Unfortunately my char is on Remora, but i think i will get a transfer to Asura. What results does /sea bring up there nowadays?
Played FFXI for about 8 mos. when it first came out in the states.
It was my first MMORPG.
Just picked up the "Ultimate Collection" today at the game store for $20.
Updating now.
Much nostalgia reading here. I am looking forward to the changes in the game since back when.
So rather then asking in another thread, I will just use this one. I recently got this game and I have some quick questions.
First an most important at what level can white mages begin to see groups consistently? As sort of a follow up would anybody mind giving a basic overview of how arcurate the inviteation section of job guide is in today's ffxi, not just for whm which I would guess will always do good for groups.
Second, early game economy is very broken with seemly every upgrade costing way more then any now tweaked character would have at these levels. Does this improve later in game? Basically I can not afford anything save spells and junk atm, excluding mission point rewards system items.
Every job solo's from 1-10, and most can solo easily to 20+ and a few all the way to 75. WHM will be able to get groups easily around lvl 10-11.
Seriously, welcome to FFXI where at pretty much any lvl, and on every job gil is extremely tough to come by and takes a very long time to acquire large amounts of it. Yes there are ways to make gil very quickly...sometimes, by playing the AH if you have gil to spend, and there are quite a few quests and missions that give great rewards that to this day still sell for a ton of gil. Mostly spell scrolls.
I'd suggest you level THF to 5 for gil finder is it and 15 for treasure hunter trait, and during all your down/solo times play that and kill beastmen for the gil they drop and as thf you get a little bit more per kill and greater drop rate of items, or once lvl 30, sub thf and repeat. That is the most basic means of gil acquisition until you learn what drops what at a fair/consistent rate and it sells well on the AH in high demand and its not hard for you to acquire.
Click my sig, and visit my LS forums for an AH guide, for a few things that sell pretty well to get you started! Its very incomplete, but its a start at leading you in the right direction...
Your post in its entirety raises numerous issues - particularly to anyone who has actually played the game, or at least read about it enough to know all of what the game really offers. The OP's list of activities is pretty thorough, but even that list doesn't provide the full picture as many of the things listed are almost like entire games unto themselves with their own rules, goals, etc. Any one of them could easily account for many, *many* hours of gameplay by them self.
That said... the line in blue, about WoW.... yeah... you pretty much blow the rest of your post out of the water. Anyone comparing FFXI to WoW - even with all the changes made to FFXI recently - truly has no frigging clue what they're talking about. Even with some changes in the past couple years that I am not at all thrilled with, FFXI remains one of the very few, and ever decreasing number of MMOs on the market that still has the right to call itself a MMORPG. WoW lost that right a looooooong time ago, in my opinion.
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I agree with you. I had to quit around my 5 year mark due to having a demanding wife, and a newborn daughter otherwise I would still be playing. I hope that FFXIV is more lenient with time demands so that I can enjoy it while still allowing for time demanding group content.
Thanks for your reply I have no interest in soloing at all thus my question, but to 10 or so isn't bad at all.
I never said the game dumbed people down. You're throwing that in there yourself. I have a logic error when a person is too lazy to use punctuation AND at the same time rag on the people who have valid negative issues regarding the game by saying they're "hating" and then say, "some of the comments on here make no sense at all". I'm sorry, I do realize there are all kinds of people on these interwebz, but the last thing I'm going to do is go back to a game that's annoying, dated, AND has any remote possibility that I would be forced to group with people who are lazy, elitist and oblivious, so sounded close to how it was like when I played it six years ago. AND I did say "IF"... so IF that is what FFXI is now, then it just increased the probability of me never resubscribing from 99.8 to 99.95 percent in lieu of previous grievances.
Referring to my comment from before.
You can't base the game's population on one person posting on these forums. Every MMO I've played there have been the stereotypes of people that you mentioned, it's the nature of online games. Although, there hasn't been any elitism since I've returned but that may have to do with the fact that I'm not 75 yet. There has been a mix of lazy/oblivious people, but much less than other games in general.
The game is "annoying" you should seriously elaborate if you want to be taken seriously. That's your opinion, and I agree it has annoying features, but I wouldn't generalize the entire game as such. The only thing "dated" is the graphics, and they're standing up much better than most older MMO's. Oh and you're not forced to group with any one type of person in particular, you're just using an excuse to not play the game, which is perfectly fine despite lack of truth in your reasoning.
Lack of truth in an opinion... ok man that's fine. Makes perfect sense. gg
Yeah, because it's impossible to lie when stating an opinion, right?
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Exactly what happened to me. Very disappointing as it is in many ways unique.
Square Enix has already stated XIV is going to be a DIFFERENT game than XI, and it's focused on smaller groups and highly casual gameplay. They will be offering two similar but different game styles, and personally, I'm excited for XIV to release but I have my fears of the above. I'm playing FFXI because I'm tired of quest grinders and one of the devs mentioned a similar quest based system for FFXIV.
If this is the case, I see myself returning to FFXI indefinitely unless they offer a combined subscription plan (which I doubt).
I have read up on FFXIV extensively, and from every source I read. I'm seeing a completely different game than FFXI.. one that is more akin to WoW and the current style of MMO than its big brother. Look at EQ and EQ2.. everyone thought that EQ2 was going to be the second coming of EQ.. and sorry to say, it was a huge dissappointment for those thinking it would be anything like EQ.. two completely different games. Most EQ players hate EQ2.. I'm not wishing that on FFXIV, but if they do what I've read they plan to do.. thats exactly what they'll have.
I dont think thats the case. There are hundreds if not thousands of people who play FFXI casually and are unable to progress because of it.
My own personal issue with FFXI, Iv been stuck at CoP for over 3 months now trying to get help with the missions. There is nothing I can do in my power to progress further than having all the jobs I want already at 75 than to get CoP done and do some limbus, But alas no dice. Personally Iv been playing FFXI since 2004, and I can't wait for FFXIV. Mainly because in FFXI I have to rely on other people to enjoy the game and in a lot of cases there's nothing in my power I can do about it. I know a lot of people who have this same problem. They are stuck at some point in the game where no one can or is willing to help because they are not at that point or many other reasons besides levels and jobs.
Bottom line is true FFXI will stick around after FFXIV comes out, but just like EQ1 it will loose a TON of players to FFXIV a few will trickle back with time, but it will be a huge hit at least for the casual not end game community.
Square Enix has already stated XIV is going to be a DIFFERENT game than XI, and it's focused on smaller groups and highly casual gameplay. They will be offering two similar but different game styles, and personally, I'm excited for XIV to release but I have my fears of the above. I'm playing FFXI because I'm tired of quest grinders and one of the devs mentioned a similar quest based system for FFXIV.
If this is the case, I see myself returning to FFXI indefinitely unless they offer a combined subscription plan (which I doubt).
I have read up on FFXIV extensively, and from every source I read. I'm seeing a completely different game than FFXI.. one that is more akin to WoW and the current style of MMO than its big brother. Look at EQ and EQ2.. everyone thought that EQ2 was going to be the second coming of EQ.. and sorry to say, it was a huge dissappointment for those thinking it would be anything like EQ.. two completely different games. Most EQ players hate EQ2.. I'm not wishing that on FFXIV, but if they do what I've read they plan to do.. thats exactly what they'll have.
I dont think thats the case. There are hundreds if not thousands of people who play FFXI casually and are unable to progress because of it.
My own personal issue with FFXI, Iv been stuck at CoP for over 3 months now trying to get help with the missions. There is nothing I can do in my power to progress further than having all the jobs I want already at 75 than to get CoP done and do some limbus, But alas no dice. Personally Iv been playing FFXI since 2004, and I can't wait for FFXIV. Mainly because in FFXI I have to rely on other people to enjoy the game and in a lot of cases there's nothing in my power I can do about it. I know a lot of people who have this same problem. They are stuck at some point in the game where no one can or is willing to help because they are not at that point or many other reasons besides levels and jobs.
Bottom line is true FFXI will stick around after FFXIV comes out, but just like EQ1 it will loose a TON of players to FFXIV a few will trickle back with time, but it will be a huge hit at least for the casual not end game community.
That basically boils down to the reason that I quit.
I got tired of being forced to need a group to get anything done.
While I understand "lol why play an MMO if you don't want to group?!", and its because not every day do i have time to log in and deal with others BS. Some days I want to log in, play by myself, then get a group later, or vice versa. I didn't like the option of not being able to solo effectively.
Sure World of Warcraft was easy, and yes they did make it easier but when you compare it to FFXI you can tell that they really never did anything to accommodate players who still want to be a part of Vana Deil,
This game is still group heavy and if you lack a group then your pretty much at a stalemate. You talk about rank missions, well good luck getting help with certain missions. While were at it we can throw in the storylines from every major expansion pack as well. I found it a huge pain back when FFXi was more heavily populated. So good luck getting to immerse yourself in an epic quest. IF you don't have a shell who constantly runs those or you can't make your scedule work. Your pretty much SOL now as well as back then.
Artifact quests, and job quests, level break quests require more parting, or the luck of nabbing a bored 75 on their way to somewhere who can lend a few minutes.
Xping isn't exactly as easy as other want to make it out either. Even with capped skills I still find myself in haiiry situations with a mob whos barely a Decent Challenge add in a wrong job or wrong subjob combo and you pretty much hit a stalemate soloing exp wise. An really who wants to grind for 80 exp on an EP when you need 10k-45k exp to level. We make fun of questing in Wow because of repetitiveness, yet our #1 xp defense for FFXI is campaign til the cows come home.
Returning back I was hoping to find some things to do leveling wise with some of the more silly classes like Pup but to be honest my server si dead. PRimetime I am at 932 total on, 453 are 75 and 126 are lvls 1-10 in Rollans. In that number I really can't say whos the afkers cause if I could point out inactivity I bet bout 65% of the server is AFK.
Gear is pretty much something to point out at. Its odd that some of the top end gear to this day is stuff from SKY and how old is that place. Something is wrong when you can come back from over a year layoff and still have whats considered the highend gear.
Wow has its own bucket of faults but when you break it down an MMO shouldnt be a cake walk like Wow, but it should t alienate you like FFXI does.