If you are EU alliance, or dont mind faction transfer, come to Xavius, we are small. big enough to sustain a wide selection of healthy raid guilds and there are several weekly raid pugs for everything. but small enough that if one guild shuns you for being a twat everyone will know soon enough and will find it harder to get invites. its quite nice. (or potentially im just a dick so everyone seems nice but I dont think that is the case..)
population isnt really big enough to sustain using GS none of the guilds need it and most pugs dont rate it as very useful. in general id say the server is more concerned with getting everyone geared in general than any particular raid being 100% min/max (ofc we have a guild or two that do that too if that is your thing)
edit for above: if I wasnt on a good server/guild Id be prepared to pay extra for access to seperate servers. higher the price the better the client and all that jazz
I wouldn't call the WoW community to be hostile. Though it probably depends on realm and country. I once had a char on an UK server instead of a german, and man... I was shocked how many insults were constantly flying through the chat and that the people didn't get banned. It was horrible.
Else..
- another thing is: the game is online since quite a while, yet new players try it out every now and then. That means that more and more people think they are elite and pro because they play it longer than many others, and this makes them just behave like jerks
- age: WoW aims at an audience which is in puberty, so no wonder that the community fits to that
- dungeon grind. People just want to plow through the dungeons, of which most are very very easiy, at maximum efficiency and speed. All the dungeons have been finished dozens of times, and there is nothing interesting left like a story or interesting boss fights or something, because you have simply seen it too often. All is left is to rush through the dungeon asap. Then it's no wonder they ask for "gear check"s
- the nice players often already found their small or large guilds, know that a large part of the community is crap, and thus don't even try to have fun with a pug. That means that the number of annoying people is pretty high among the random guys, because noone who knows them wants to do something with them
Most of WoW's community(most MMO is in general) base their self worth off what they can accomplish ingame. Since most people laugh at stuff like that they are very bitter and hostile.
Well, gear checking is done to keep deaths at a minimum and time at a minimum. The thing is, in WoW... even though it's a very very simple game to play, there are a whole lot of people who just don't know how to freaking play. If they have a good gear score, that means they at least know the boss fights and have performed well enough at least enough to get their gear. Even if they suck at the game, WoW being a gear grind, the gear can make up for how much they suck.... sometimes. lol Can you do good with a decent set of gear? Yeah. But it's not very common. I played a mage once, that out performed a another mage that had her gear virtually maxed and I was in nothing but Reg Dungeon Blues. I understood how to play the character a whole lot better than she did. I mean, she used Frost Armor ffs. Frost Armor on a PVE Mage. .... total /facepalm right there. I asked her "why" once, and she said "so I can stay alive". I wanted to go off on her so bad, but she was our GM's wife, so I didn't. lol
This isn't everyone though, but it is a reason. Some of the players are good or are at least good enough to know how to play their characters decently. You get sick of people who don't and don't want to spend 6hrs doing something that should take 1.
Your story about the mage is very telling. It doesn't mean you are great but how really bad that is that other mage.
Picture a 10 year old at Toys R Us yelling at his parents because he doesnt get a toy he wants. The kid does it because he can and knows there will be no repercussions and his folks are stupid enough that they might get him the toy just to shut him up. Now picture thousands of these types playing an online game where there are no repercussions for there actions. Also keep in mind that the age of the person doesnt reflect maturity.
The comments have been spot on in this thread and it is comforting to know that I am not the only one disheartened that such a great game has been tarnished. I tried logging in today to capture some interest again with this LFG dungeon finder, but I believe it is just patchwork on a leaking pipe. If you think about it, you are still doing to the same heroics (barring 3 new short IC runs) that have been available to you for a year. Granted, it's supposed to reduce people's time in finding instances, but it is still the same recycled content since last november. I believe the game would've survived for me if they implemented a raid finder feature, where it could help people do the content while not being restricted to strict 8pm-12am, 4 days a week guidelines. I know everyone is excited about it since it's the second day, but I don't see how this will maintain interest if it's the same old thing. Combine that with griefing from players in other realms, and I'm getting kind of nauseous about logging in again. Oh well.
Originally posted by tryklon About the community, there is little one can do. Everyone must admit, even the greatest WoW fans, that the game is populated in it's majority with high school kids. It is exactly like going back to high school.
WoW is a bit like that, but there are plenty of examples of real life communities that are a lot like high school.
The cesspool that is Washington, DC "high society", for example, where the Obama gate crashers are despised not because they crashed the party, but because they acted like they belonged there, and hadn't paid their "dues" to the self-proclaimed appropriate arbiters of social respectablity in DC.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
- the nice players often already found their small or large guilds, know that a large part of the community is crap, and thus don't even try to have fun with a pug. That means that the number of annoying people is pretty high among the random guys, because noone who knows them wants to do something with them
I think this is very true...people manage to find a guild that suits them and hang out with those people. I know it that this is true for me, although I've been in three different guilds with the same people, as they first merged a bunch of SWG refugees into a larger guild on Greymane, then while I was away from the game, the guild had a breakup and when I rejoined the game I fell in with one of the offshoots of the larger guild that absorbed my first guild.
Being in a strong social guild where the emphasis is on having fun with guildies and not relentless raiding, and where people will help you gear up rather than dismiss you out of hand makes a great difference in your play experience.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
I mean, she used Frost Armor ffs. Frost Armor on a PVE Mage. .... total /facepalm right there. I asked her "why" once, and she said "so I can stay alive". I wanted to go off on her so bad, but she was our GM's wife, so I didn't. lol
Well, a PvE mage who is leveling WOULD rely pretty much on frost armor, particularly if they solo a lot.
Of course, the thing about WoW is that leveling and heroics/raiding are two totally different things. A guy in my guild told me of a hunter that only used the stock hot key bars all the way through level 80 because he didn't use more than four or five attacks until he hit 80 and started taking on heroic/raid content.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
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If you are EU alliance, or dont mind faction transfer, come to Xavius, we are small. big enough to sustain a wide selection of healthy raid guilds and there are several weekly raid pugs for everything. but small enough that if one guild shuns you for being a twat everyone will know soon enough and will find it harder to get invites. its quite nice. (or potentially im just a dick so everyone seems nice but I dont think that is the case..)
population isnt really big enough to sustain using GS none of the guilds need it and most pugs dont rate it as very useful. in general id say the server is more concerned with getting everyone geared in general than any particular raid being 100% min/max (ofc we have a guild or two that do that too if that is your thing)
edit for above: if I wasnt on a good server/guild Id be prepared to pay extra for access to seperate servers. higher the price the better the client and all that jazz
I wouldn't call the WoW community to be hostile. Though it probably depends on realm and country. I once had a char on an UK server instead of a german, and man... I was shocked how many insults were constantly flying through the chat and that the people didn't get banned. It was horrible.
Else..
- another thing is: the game is online since quite a while, yet new players try it out every now and then. That means that more and more people think they are elite and pro because they play it longer than many others, and this makes them just behave like jerks
- age: WoW aims at an audience which is in puberty, so no wonder that the community fits to that
- dungeon grind. People just want to plow through the dungeons, of which most are very very easiy, at maximum efficiency and speed. All the dungeons have been finished dozens of times, and there is nothing interesting left like a story or interesting boss fights or something, because you have simply seen it too often. All is left is to rush through the dungeon asap. Then it's no wonder they ask for "gear check"s
- the nice players often already found their small or large guilds, know that a large part of the community is crap, and thus don't even try to have fun with a pug. That means that the number of annoying people is pretty high among the random guys, because noone who knows them wants to do something with them
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
Most of WoW's community(most MMO is in general) base their self worth off what they can accomplish ingame. Since most people laugh at stuff like that they are very bitter and hostile.
Your story about the mage is very telling. It doesn't mean you are great but how really bad that is that other mage.
Picture a 10 year old at Toys R Us yelling at his parents because he doesnt get a toy he wants. The kid does it because he can and knows there will be no repercussions and his folks are stupid enough that they might get him the toy just to shut him up. Now picture thousands of these types playing an online game where there are no repercussions for there actions. Also keep in mind that the age of the person doesnt reflect maturity.
The comments have been spot on in this thread and it is comforting to know that I am not the only one disheartened that such a great game has been tarnished. I tried logging in today to capture some interest again with this LFG dungeon finder, but I believe it is just patchwork on a leaking pipe. If you think about it, you are still doing to the same heroics (barring 3 new short IC runs) that have been available to you for a year. Granted, it's supposed to reduce people's time in finding instances, but it is still the same recycled content since last november. I believe the game would've survived for me if they implemented a raid finder feature, where it could help people do the content while not being restricted to strict 8pm-12am, 4 days a week guidelines. I know everyone is excited about it since it's the second day, but I don't see how this will maintain interest if it's the same old thing. Combine that with griefing from players in other realms, and I'm getting kind of nauseous about logging in again. Oh well.
WoW is a bit like that, but there are plenty of examples of real life communities that are a lot like high school.
The cesspool that is Washington, DC "high society", for example, where the Obama gate crashers are despised not because they crashed the party, but because they acted like they belonged there, and hadn't paid their "dues" to the self-proclaimed appropriate arbiters of social respectablity in DC.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
Millions of players = odds are a lot of jerks.
Can't get that many people together and expect 'em to all be good.
I think this is very true...people manage to find a guild that suits them and hang out with those people. I know it that this is true for me, although I've been in three different guilds with the same people, as they first merged a bunch of SWG refugees into a larger guild on Greymane, then while I was away from the game, the guild had a breakup and when I rejoined the game I fell in with one of the offshoots of the larger guild that absorbed my first guild.
Being in a strong social guild where the emphasis is on having fun with guildies and not relentless raiding, and where people will help you gear up rather than dismiss you out of hand makes a great difference in your play experience.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
Well, a PvE mage who is leveling WOULD rely pretty much on frost armor, particularly if they solo a lot.
Of course, the thing about WoW is that leveling and heroics/raiding are two totally different things. A guy in my guild told me of a hunter that only used the stock hot key bars all the way through level 80 because he didn't use more than four or five attacks until he hit 80 and started taking on heroic/raid content.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
Why is WoW's community so hostile?
Because it's played mostly by mindless zombies who care about nothing but loot. And well we all know zombies can be pretty hostile.