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My experience with the new LFG tool
Chlodwig
Member Posts: 150
So there I sat and considered... nobody from my guild on, let's give it a whirl. I am leveling a few toons currently anyway, had to start over on a new server, so, why not? Supposedly you find groups now easily and, hey, there's a free gift in it when you don't care what dungeon you get into, so, let's fire up the thing. Level 20 Rogue, usually impossible to get a group, right? Tried to get DM done when you don't get pulled? Near impossible, especially with a Rogue, so let's click and see.
5 minutes later I was in Shadowfang. Oh well. But hey, 5 mins for a Rogue? At anything but primetime? At level 20? Beeeeautiful!
Tank sucked, healer tried to double as DD and generally anything but coordinated... but hey, level 20, a wipe ain't that expensive and a corpse run doesn't take long. Cut 'em some slack. I certainly ain't the best Rogue under the sun either, so... but somehow I managed to tank and keep aggro against a Rogue, even at 20. Ah well. Nice experience regardless.
Ok, let's unwrap the tank. Click the LFG for a random dungeon and ... wow, already got one! Great! Where are we heading? MARAUDON? You're kidding me, right? Who the heck wants to do that crawl? But ... okeydokey, let's hit it. Erh... hey, hunter, lemme pull, ok? Pally, turn off your aggro machine, I am the tank, you were supposed to be a DD. Priest? PRIEST? HELLO? I'm dying here, how about a heal? HELLO? Oh please, the corpse run in Mauri is a drag... but ok.
I think it was a premiere for me, to wipe at the FIRST encounter in an instance.
Ok, let's try it again, this time, priest, stay out of shadow form please and do your effing job and heal me and don't do aynthing else. Hunter let... STOP RIGHT THERE DAMM... ok, let's see if I can peel it... No, Paladin, I don't care for your seal of wisdom, Warriors don't regenerate that much Mana in the first place, and especially not during battle! Could I please get the other one when we're back in the instanc... oh great, our healer just quitted. And the Paladin. Ok, folks, I'm pretty done for myself, this prolly ain't gonna work out.
Ok. I'll take the healer spot. I have a holy priest after all (yeah, I level as holy. It's not that hard to find groups as priest and I'm a healer at heart anyway). Click on LFG... Group found instantly. Great. Where are we going? Farak? Finally something sensible. Let's dish out some buffs and drink a ... erh, folks, wait a moment, priests have little mana right after buffing, ok a mana pot will cure that for now, but let's rest a moment after that group... that means you DO NOT pull the next group before the first one is done, please... ahwell, the corpse run doesn't take that long in Farak. No, come in, rezzing kinda isn't really very sensible when we wiped 2 feet from the entrance. So. Rebuff. And wait please this time, ok? Good. Hey, it works (yeah, even little achivements start to please). Ok, let's go get em ... umm, hunter? Why the explosive trap? Ok, the tank should easily handle that... erh, if your pet isn't set to taunt, that is. A damage heavy pet to boot with little tanking capabilities... But ok. Well, it's heavy on the mana pool, but we'll heal that away, I just have to drink a bit more (glad I stacked up). I said I have to DRINK A BIT MORE! Hello? Priest OOM.
No, Tank, I doubt you have the right to complain about a lack of heals when your priest is OOM before you start a battle.
To make a long story short, we found another tank after a few minutes and it went ... well, not ok but we were done after about 2-3 hours. I didn't count. I also didn't really look when I went repairing.
Ok. Last one, my cute little mage. 41 levels old he is, so let's LFG. It's prime time, shouldn't take long.
Shouldn't, but does. What gives? Oh. Your group is being assembled... 3 DDs are already here, what's missing is tank and healer. Gee, I kinda know that from somewhere. 30 Minutes later (I'm not kidding or exaggerating here) we're in ... MAURODON! Ok, who of you wanted this one? Nobody? 5 times "random" and we end up in Maurodon? Of all the possible instances we could get as a group with a level range of 40-44 we get tossed "randomly" into the one that is probably the longest and "hardest" for that setup?
ok, whatever. I want to unwind, so please gimme some of that good stuff. First mob goes well. Hey, that's a plus! Second works out, great! First time we hit a group of those tree beings, time to unwrap the AOE effects, ain't it? Give the tank a little time to convince the mobs, fire a few bolts first at his main target just to make he got them good and sticky and then let's rain some doom on them! Uh... why is my portrait getting yellow? Why's it getting red??? Hello? Tank? I've been tanking for nearly 5 years and after about 5 seconds you DO have aggro that I can't get off you unless you've been sleeping? Oh goodie, they want me now. Ok, bubble on, dash towards the tank, freeze them to the ground and let him grab them. The usual 5 seconds "you are mine and only mine" taunt is enough to keep them entertained 'til they're dead, I'll just lay low and do some DD on your main target for the time bein... erh... why do they come back to me?
Ah well, a corpse run in Mauri only takes 5 minutes.
Needless to say the group dissolved about 5 mobs before the first boss.
Now I sit here and wonder what the heck is wrong? Either I somehow changed over night from someone who was able to play pretty well in a group (seriously, I rarely if ever wiped, neither here nor on my old server where I went up to the top, me tanking or healing is usually a surefire way for a successful evening) to someone you would want to avoid in your group and prefer in the opponent's teams or something really strange is going on here.
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I only read half the text but for what i read, i totally understand you ;_; lol
Stupid people who dont know how to play their class properly is definetely a major problem with WoW. At least in WoW you can always quit a group and find a new one with the new LFG system. In Aion, for example, if your group sucks dick at tanking/healing you cant find a new one, at least for the next X hours, because instances have a entry cooldown (first one as a 18h CD).
anyways ill prolly resub for another month to check out the new features myself.
Well, i can imagine your frustration at that , but take this into account, you were running around on alts, wich means the people you were getting in your groups are either alts themselvs, or totaly new players.
Wich means, its the first time playing that class or the game in general. I think the LFG tool will probably have better success at end game then the lower levels.
As you might have seen, I didn't really mind the wipes at level 20. People're new, they get into the first instances and it's a given that you will have a few people who will f... up. Tanks that concentrate on a single target and try to dish out damage instead of ensuring the adds don't turn for the healer and don't pull targets back a bit so rogues can get behind them. Hunters that keep their pet on taunt instead of detaunt. Paladins that dish out the wrong seals (and attack non-main targets, which can really put a dent in the rage generation of def warriors...). Priests that cast damage spells (when they shouldn't) and go OOM far too quickly. Mages that sheep targets that are almost dead because they turn towards them for a moment (I stop tanking a target when it's near dead, before it reaches the mage it's dead, why bother tanking it, fire another bolt at it and you can be at the aggro list wherever you want to be, dead mobs do 0 damage). And so on.
That's fine and ok. Everyone learns to play his class, and for some classes group play is vastly different from solo play.
At level 40, I'd expect people to have at least a rudementary idea what group play is about. There were Deathmines, Shadowfang, Gnomeregan, Monestary, Razorfen Kraul and Downs, Wailing Caverns... it's not like there's a shortage of instances for either side 'til then. Hell, some classes (i.e. warriors) even HAVE to go in there for their class equipment. And even I managed to find groups for these in the "old" system, and recently, so saying that there's no way to get into instances today is bollocks.
PUGs will be PUGs.
Nothing new.
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Does not compute. I have been leveling with PUGs on my server from day one, effectively. Here as well as the other server I was at earlier. And with the occasional exception, they were pretty decent. A "bad" group was one where the tank was too stoned to notice the fight is over and kept stomping on the ground 'til the rage was gone. I had only once a really, really BAD group. In 5 years.
And now 4 in one day.
Something is not right here. Not right at all. Either I've been blessed so far and managed to hit twice the only servers with people who can play or ... I don't know.
Also, and that's my other question, why does that random assignment tool invariably toss you into dungeons that you usually avoid? With good reason, I may add (well, except maybe SF, that's avoided on Alliance side mostly because it's near impossible to reach at level 20ish when you should go there).
Curiously Zorndorf, your XFire numbers don't support what you are saying.
There is no increase in average numbers
Then... you didn't check the graphs the last two days
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Ive seen the graph, it shows a bit of an increase ofc, people were expecting to see what changed. But it didnt even reached the weekend peaks, and in the weekends there were never 15 min queues, why would there be now if it didnt even reach those peaks?
Dirty lie offcourse.
Plus, many people that usually spent more time only on the weekends logged during week to check patch, but, and time will tell, the weekend number will not be so much of an increase, in fact they will be little higher than the usual.
Ill be here to point that out to you
I never lie and Al Akir EU was far from the only one having a LOCKED status. I think there were 6 to 10 locked Englsih EU servers tonight between 08 PM and 10 PM.
I know I logged off once and relogged.
61.6 %:... says Xfire (WITH the known fact Aion is over represented with at least half of their numbers...)
I wont keep this conversation because i already proved your dirty lie. The peak didnt even reached the weekends one where there were never queues.
Plus, it's always nice to see your desperation when you say that XFire numbers for WoW are very correct and show success and for other games are forged. You fell on ridicularity mate and I always have bags of laughs out of your numbers.
its a great way of getting a group for dungeons etc. just glad the timer is only 5 mins and not longer though... seriously.. if the tank is going to be a feral druid, they should at least learn how to hold agro... watching them chase mobs around and having to rescue the healer and mages with a hunter ... is tiring.. and frustrating.. seriously considering banning druids from dungeons though....
I dont care about your guys lovers spat. Does the new LFG suck or is it any good is what I want to know.
Offcourse it is a good feature, there is no denying that. To always have people to do any dungeon in the game 24/7 is nothing less than a revolution in moderm MMO's.
Ofc that it also brings bad things. A weeker sense of community among other things. But in general it has a great value that must be recognized
its totally awesome.. and a really great addition to the game!
just watch the druids, im pretty sure their eyebrows meet in the middle!
You're probably not going to find many good groups before level 60.
Also, yes, you will be given Maraudon in the Random Dungeon quite a few times because of the selection of dungeons in that level range.
DPS are the least desireable because they are everywhere in those levels because people spec damage to solo level. Even at level 80 my DPS characters have to wait for about 10 minutes to get a group whereas my tank gets a group instantly.
Lastly, yeah you will mostly have bad groups and mostly dungeons that you dont want to run but its a tool to find groups at levels that are mostly impossible to find groups.
From my observations, the groups I've had are kind of sick of the content and are trying to get this emblem process over with as soon as possible. I understand though since I believe this is the third emblem grind that Blizz installed upon us since last November. The system itself is great and lays a nice foundation for cataclysm. Everyone is excited with the patch still, but I'm not quite sure it'll hold up when people are emblemed out. Personally, my stomach can't take any more nexus or gundrak power runs, and I'm puzzled why people continue to do it. The icecrown raid being gated seems like a lame attempt for blizz to extend this patch as long as possible, and it makes me wonder if they don't want this raid to end up like ulduar did. I'll step back for a while and eagerly await the next exp or patch.
Well, this is probably true for 80s raid content, which they probably did over and over and over before and just want to get through as quickly as possible. I just had a group for BRD (random assignment, how else do you get to BRD these days?
and some wanted to continue after the "assigned" boss fell. Too bad the tool does not allow adding more members once the "designated" boss fell...
It would be nice if they added a feature where you can decide whether you're LFG to get this over as quickly as you can or one where you can do the quests.
As an answer to Zorndorf, and his lies about the servers so full that they have queues. here are "his" xfire numbers for saturday.
www.xfire.com/games/wow/World_of_Warcraft/
A rising peak only due to the time that players are online, because there were only 59k people playing it when in other times the game got to 64 or 65k.
So, the lie is proven, there is no more people playing, just ppl online for more time
Most players use vent though or nothing at all. I'm not trying to defend the game because I think 11 million is overly inflated as well, but xfire isn't a big hit with this game for some reason.
Thats my experience on US servers but on EU servers people tend to be much better.
You can't read the financial reports and quote wrong numbers.
What you talk about is MMORPG Net revenue(whatever it is supposed to be - net sales? net income? revenue?) of Activision, not Blizzard or WoW.
Hi, the new patch 3.3 and LFG is a BIG succes and I get it you don't like it. Sorry, but ....
I just did the test to enter my EU Al Akir server at Sun 08.00 PM tonight, sunday night.
I have a queue right now of ...956 people before me.
Edit update 08:38 PM : Estimated time 27 minutes (queue down to 503 now)
I looked at the servers and ... 15 EU English servers are on locked status.
As for the 59K ... the figures always need to be configured in a relation to the OTHER samples of all games. And in this respect WOW was back on +60% of the Xfire marks. So those 60K is not an absolut figure but must be seen relative to the other sampled games.
To the guys like you and Googa: here is proof of the GROWTH of WOW in the last year in FINANCES:
I wouldn't even TRY to discuss these FACTS.
... the income of WOW was going UP from $ 828 million ( 2008) to $ 939 million (2009) on a 9 month basis.
REFERENCE:
http://investor.activision.com/secfiling.cfm?filingID=1104659-09-63352
Page 19. and filed Nov 6th 2009 Audited. for stock commission.
Checkmate ..., so unless Blizzard is into illegal Columbian drug dealing they had a growth in its WOW department of more than 10% ---- WITHOUT China even on line between June and Sep 2009.
Always nice to have the correct financial references against WOW trolls.
First, you could always throw a screenshot of the queue.
Second, I guess those pets are selling well huh?
I leveled through WoW the first time by doing nothing but dungeons as a tank in 2004-05 1-60. Best time I had in the game. I was able to get dungeons one after another, I never did one solo quest.
Leveling via dungeons only is expontentially slower than doing quests, and only running dungeons where you have many quests in said dungeon.
The idea here is to go out and quest, and be able to hit a dungeon whenever you need to.
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Arguing over players that know their class is really blaming the game for an inept design.I mean how can yo ublame players when the game is designed to solo quests?Then you expect players to know how to interact in a group setting with others?
SO Blizzard may have thought they were smart by giving players a SIMPLETON mode for leveling,but they failed at their own design.Players will have absolutely zero ability to function in a group because of this failed design,i guess Blizzard dug themselves a hole,their not so smart after all are they?
What is funnier is that they have this cross server idea,you know why?Simple answer,they are beginning to realize everyone knows they copy everyone's ideas,so incorporating a MUCH simpler and more effective MENTOR system,would just be more copying,because they were too dumb to think of the idea first.
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So far I'm loving the new lfg tool. I've only qued once as non-dps and I haven't had to wait more than 10 mins to get into a group, with most of the time being 5 mins or less. This weekend I've been able to get my warrior enough badges to get the prot shoulders and almost enough to get the dps shoulders. I've only had a few groups disband and most of them have been pretty decent, with most people knowing wtf they're supposed to be doing. This has really gotten me interested in playing again.
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So is this x-server thing new to MMO industry? or not? Does anyone implemented that before? Is WoW copying from someone?