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STO is Gonna Be a Great MMORPG
warrior41
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All the noisy negativists, just ignore them! I've been following Star Trek Online since Perpetual had the license, and I can tell you Cryptic's Star Trek Online is going to be a quality experience and a wonderful MMORPG. Sure, if you look at everything in a negative and unhappy manner, then you will find fault with everything.
But all indications are that Star Trek Online will be a kick-ass experience. Faults with the game are there, for example the lack of Klingon content. But I never cared for Klingons anyway, and in an expansion pack a second race will be more fleshed out. Another fault is the lack of ship interiors besides the bridge. But Cryptic is going to implement additional ship interiors post-launch.
There is infinite space exploration. There are social hubs like Earth Spacedock and DS9 and Risa and Vulcan.
There is space combat and ground combat. Some missions take place inside starships. There is exploration and diplomacy. Customization of your race and avatar look.
You can level yourself up to a Sovereign Class starship.
There will be expansion packs every 4 months delivering new content like ship interiors and new races and space sectors.
Cryptic has fleshed out the lore behind STO. There will be a Trek novel released in March 2010 called Needs of the Many based on Trek Online.
I think Star Trek Online looks great. I pre-ordered the CE and look forward to playing it in February. See you in Starfleet!
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It may have the potential to be a good or even great great MMO. Cryptic being involved has me skeptical at best. Their track record leaves a bit to be desired for me. It will take some 1st hand proof before I am willing to consume that particular flavor of Koolaid.
The screen caps look pretty. The PR talking points are all there. The question boils down to this for me: Have the mistakes of the past been learned from? If not I am out. Any company that would employ the Happy Jack and Bill show is WAAAYYY suspect to begin with, the fustercluck that is Citizens Online not withstanding.
I would love for STO to be great or even good but hope is not a strategy.
I think given cryptic's track record, Star Trek Online is to cryptic as LOTRO is to Turbine.
Mark my words.
It will be successful, will have a decent following, those who go into the game with very particular ideas as to what they would have wanted will be dissapointed, there will be some bending of lore for game play's sake, etc.
Given what I saw at PAX I really think that it will be a quality game.
Just not a game for everyone.
and "no" it will not be a wow killer.
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It MAY be a great MMO but a lot of indications make me think it won't. I particularly like the OP's justification for no klingon content: no biggie since he doesn't like klingons.
Lol, that makes me think the OP isn't much interested in an MMO since he's not concerned with what other players might like. That being the case I can see how the OP may be very satisfied with the standalone RPG style game that STO sounds like.
As DDO is to Turbine.
Everything I've seen so far makes me believe I will really enjoy the game.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Blur from TOR forums?
As DDO is to Turbine.
I think Champions is their DDO.
Listen, of course I'm no expert and obviously not prescient.
but that is my my sense and my roll the dice predection.
It will be successful in that it will have a devoted following. It will not be huge. It will piss off die hard star trek people, it very well might piss off veteran mmo players.
but it will be a good enough game that players interested in playing in some semblence of the Star Trek universe will be happy.
Relatively speaking as it seems that some people on these forums are never happy.
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Klingon content will probably be added post-launch. Along with other new factions like Romulans or Cardassians or Dominion.
I don't have much experiene with MMOs. I played the free trial month of SWG and LOTRonline. I didn't really like either of them. But I like the idea of a massively mutliplayer online game. I think STO will be the first MMO I subscribe for a long time and enjoy.
I am interested in hearing why you think STO won't be great. What exactly is wrong with it? I think Cryptic's STO looks great.
Amazing. If someone creates a topic saying "the game will suck " and explain why he thinks so,the fanboys unleash hell with "you don't know that yet." or the classic "r u playing the game to know that? and even if you are,that isn't the finished product".
BUT,to speak WELL of the game,i don't need to play it. Using the FUTURE in my "guessings" isn't problematic, IF i talk good about the game.
Good to know. At least no one can accuse these persons of giving a hard time to the ones praising their games (even if the SAME arguments they make in other threads could be used here)
Truly amazing
Well it depends doesnt' it. I can easily see why people would say the game would suck given some of the info out there and what they want/wanted from the game.
From where I'm sitting and what I saw at PAX it seemed like a great game. And at least from what I saw it was good enough to make me want to play it for a while. Sort of like seeing a preview of a movie. It most likely is skewed in the best possible way to make people want to see it but sometimes you can glean enough to know whether the movie will be at least worth a try.
but for people who wanted to play full blown klingon campaigns or wanted player run ships, etc, then sure, the game will suck for them.
edit: besides I think it is the general timbre of the "this game sucks post" that draws player ire. I think if a player made a post and intelligently laid out his/her claims as to why they think the game will not live up to its IP or potential then you would get better discussions (other than a few knee jerk posters).
but saying that game x "blows" and the devs have their head up their asses just isn't conducive to a long and informative thread.
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Well it depends doesnt' it. I can easily see why people would say the game would suck given some of the info out there and what they want/wanted from the game.
From where I'm sitting and what I saw at PAX it seemed like a great game. And at least from what I saw it was good enough to make me want to play it for a while. Sort of like seeing a preview of a movie. It most likely is skewed in the best possible way to make people want to see it but sometimes you can glean enough to know whether the movie will be at least worth a try.
but for people who wanted to play full blown klingon campaigns or wanted player run ships, etc, then sure, the game will suck for them.
edit: besides I think it is the general timbre of the "this game sucks post" that draws player ire. I think if a player made a post and intelligently laid out his/her claims as to why they think the game will not live up to its IP or potential then you would get better discussions (other than a few knee jerk posters).
but saying that game x "blows" and the devs have their head up their asses just isn't conducive to a long and informative thread.
True,man. I'm still in doubt about buying or not (even if i do,only after the release),but nice to see someone answering politely. I mean it. But back into the "x blows for me" subject, what is the line for you? I mean,that feature that,if not well implemented,would ruin your game? As for me,is the worry about RMT affecting gameplay (since two bonus from preorders give bonus and affact gameplay that kinda tells me something,but i'm willing to wait) and if the game don't come with enough diplomacy and the trek feeling. I mean,if i'm not blasting things i'm not playing,that's the time i quit. But i'm open to the good things in here. If it comes out good,i'm rdy to give them my vulcan greeting
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And the other? I mean,the ones saying this game will be great. r u buying and playing anyway, or is there something that u won't tolerate if pulled out by the developers?
Well it depends doesnt' it. I can easily see why people would say the game would suck given some of the info out there and what they want/wanted from the game.
From where I'm sitting and what I saw at PAX it seemed like a great game. And at least from what I saw it was good enough to make me want to play it for a while. Sort of like seeing a preview of a movie. It most likely is skewed in the best possible way to make people want to see it but sometimes you can glean enough to know whether the movie will be at least worth a try.
but for people who wanted to play full blown klingon campaigns or wanted player run ships, etc, then sure, the game will suck for them.
edit: besides I think it is the general timbre of the "this game sucks post" that draws player ire. I think if a player made a post and intelligently laid out his/her claims as to why they think the game will not live up to its IP or potential then you would get better discussions (other than a few knee jerk posters).
but saying that game x "blows" and the devs have their head up their asses just isn't conducive to a long and informative thread.
True,man. I'm still in doubt about buying or not (even if i do,only after the release),but nice to see someone answering politely. I mean it. But back into the "x blows for me" subject, what is the line for you? I mean,that feature that,if not well implemented,would ruin your game? As for me,is the worry about RMT affecting gameplay (since two bonus from preorders give bonus and affact gameplay that kinda tells me something,but i'm willing to wait) and if the game don't come with enough diplomacy and the trek feeling. I mean,if i'm not blasting things i'm not playing,that's the time i quit. But i'm open to the good things in here. If it comes out good,i'm rdy to give them my vulcan greeting
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And the other? I mean,the ones saying this game will be great. r u buying and playing anyway, or is there something that u won't tolerate if pulled out by the developers?
No, I'm ready to buy and play. Down the road I want them to add more ship interiors besides just the bridge. But that's about it.
Its amazing how you fanboys can spew out this crap without a leg to stand on. Cryptic is going to implement additional ship interiors? Really, how do you know when and if they are going to do that? Because they say so? ROFL
Expansion pack every 4 months? Haha, I guess what you define as an expansion. If you mean expansion as in implementing features that should have been there at launch then yes.
Klingon content are not needed because YOU dont care about them. Tell me, when was the last time an MMORPG was released with only one real faction? I mean, at the very least they could do like Aion and mirror the two factions, but they didnt even do that.
Also, what indication is there that the game will be a good MMORPG? All I have seen so far are instanced, single player story lines and episodes. Nothing about true massive multiplayer experiences and fleshed out cooperative and competetive content. The game sounds awfully like Champions Online with focus on single player experience.
So no, indications are not there that the game will be a good MMORPG. Possibly it will be a good solo game if you like to play only the Feds.
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The only issue is whether Cryptic thinks CO is a failure.
How much did it cost, and how much has it made?
If the game is in the black already (and I think that it might very well be), then it is a success. If it is, then you can expect more designs on the same model.
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Well I must say I will wait for free trial or buddy key to try this before I decide to buy it. And I do believe from what I have seen and read about this game that it is more unfinished than finished, I mean weak Klingon WTF?! They will add more content later WTF?! Al of that new content should be already there at launch, I am afraid that this is just another not finished product releasing early on the market just like every other mmo. More and more I go I feel I will switch back to single player games.
You know. It's so funny. That these topics pop up, created by people that are fully driven by pure PR and Hype alone.
Guess people never learn and continue to end up dissapointed and keep on getting burned.
I am also a huge Star trek fan and I am hoping that STO will be a great game. However, my question is HOW CAN YOU HAVE A STAR TREK GAME AND NOT BE ABLE TO PLAY A KLINGON OR ROMULAN RIGHT OFF THE BAT? To me that say's it is not ready to be released and should not be. As a long time fan from the 60's how can you not have the staple of star trek? I can understand maybe the other races but this alone is a bad sign that by time they come out with them the game will be empty so bad that the borg would not even bother taking it over. I mean, I have to wait four month's before I can kick azz for the empire? So I have to waste that time leveling up a federation ship just to junk it? what is the point of that? If the time line is set way after things this is bad karma. I hope I am wrong and I hope they pay attention to al the other failures and fast push out the door just to make some money instead of a polished game.
Because it's being rushed out of the door with less then 2 and half years development time.
You simply cannot create a decent, quality, content and feature rich MMORPG in such a short time span.
I am sure people will have a blast in STO for the first couple weeks. Just like people had a blast the first couple weeks in CO and other failed MMO's.
After that. Reality kicks in.
Klingon content will probably be added post-launch. Along with other new factions like Romulans or Cardassians or Dominion.
I don't have much experiene with MMOs. I played the free trial month of SWG and LOTRonline. I didn't really like either of them. But I like the idea of a massively mutliplayer online game. I think STO will be the first MMO I subscribe for a long time and enjoy.
I am interested in hearing why you think STO won't be great. What exactly is wrong with it? I think Cryptic's STO looks great.
Because you don't have a lot of experience with MMORPGs, it's not going to be easy for you to understand how important diversity in an online game is. I'll probably never play a Klingon, they're not my kind of race, but I will be disappointed if they are no implimented because the idea of only seeing humans running around doesn't appeal to me. The very foundation of Star Trek is not that it is set in space, phasers, warp technology, or even science at all; it's that it is based on the discovery, conflict, and dealings with other life forms and how to overcome that diversity of the metaphysical condition that defines us as who and what we are.
Nonetheless, I hope it turns out to be a great game.
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Because it's being rushed out of the door with less then 2 and half years development time.
You simply cannot create a decent, quality, content and feature rich MMORPG in such a short time span.
I am sure people will have a blast in STO for the first couple weeks. Just like people had a blast the first couple weeks in CO and other failed MMO's.
After that. Reality kicks in.
Does those 2.5 years include the development time of Perpetual? If so then I would think STO has had one of the shortest development cycles of any commercial MMORPG released in the last decade.
So unless they have come up with an extremely efficient software development proccess this does not bode well for the game...
Regarding your second comment I fully agree. CO and other hyped up games like WAR was a blast the first month or so, but then the game quickly died because there was not enough content or diversity which lead to the games having very low replay value.
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Does those 2.5 years include the development time of Perpetual? If so then I would think STO has had one of the shortest development cycles of any commercial MMORPG released in the last decade.
So unless they have come up with an extremely efficient software development proccess this does not bode well for the game...
Regarding your second comment I fully agree. CO and other hyped up games like WAR was a blast the first month or so, but then the game quickly died because there was not enough content or diversity which lead to the games having very low replay value.
They took over some assets from Perputual, but as far as I can recall, they didn't receive any usuable code.
The whole design direction of Perpetual was also completely different, then the one Cryptic now follows.
Perpetual hadn't done that much on STO, as most resources were spend on Gods and Heroes back then (before that got shelved too).
Mostly what they had, before they folded, was some pre-rendered stuff and an initial prototype showing some first screens. Wich was all completely different then what you see now with Cryptic's version.
Not to mention that Cryptic, as far as I know, also uses a completely different engine.
So yes. STO will be pushed out of the door with the shortest development time in MMO history and it indeed doesn't bode well and will be one of the main good reasons for me to stay clear of this game.
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I look at something simple and already done to decide how much effort Cryptic put into the game.The player models and textures,they are pretty low detail and low quality,so if they did not put much effort into that the MAIN focus of the game,how much effort into the rest of the game,do you think they put into it?
It is like an expensive car,you see the cheap cars get cheap paint jobs,the good ones get expensive paint jobs,the effort goes hand in hand.Every single MMORPG i have seen released since WOW has been rushed out the door,and the lack of content shows it.
The ONLY game that was not rushed content wise was Vanguard.It was rushed out of beta testing that was all,and it remains the only good quality game i have seen since that time.
I just got done deleting 5 games,they were all in my estimate garbage[Allods/FE/ROM/DDO/Warhammer,there is only one game left that i have not tried and it is LOTR,i will stick with my gut and not try it,every game i doubted was cheap 101.Let me tell you i am STARVED to find a good game to play,i have not played FFXI for about a year now,i have been trying everything under the sun and they all suck.
I was a sort of a big Star trek/Lost in Space fan as a kid,so i would love to see a good STO game,i just have a real bad feeling based on what i already see from the game.
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