The first sign that someone doesn't have a clue what he is talking about , they use xfire. I don't use xfire, my kinship doesn't use xfire, over 500,000 players of lotro, don't use xfire. Get over it and realize Turbine is one of the greatest independent developers making mmorpgs. As far as 2010, they are either bring lotro to the consoles , or they are going to announce Asheron's Call 3 . I'm hoping for the ladder.
Using Xfire to show a kid who uses MMORPG.COM polls to back up how great LoTRO is, is a logical method to show someone that their method can go both ways. Sorry you dont "understand" that.
For 2010 they only have $20 million to use for a console game and they most likely do not have the license agreement for it to be LoTR. IP owners are not happy with Turbine atm, and depending on which publisher has the rights to the LoTR franchise... them too.
Your kin-ship sounds like a homoerotic pleasure boat, and because your opinion isnt greater than mine, feel free to pull out some actual facts. I would like to see where YOUR active subscriber numbers are coming from? Cmon.
Where did you get this figure? Link would be appreciated especially if it has other budget information.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
The first sign that someone doesn't have a clue what he is talking about , they use xfire. I don't use xfire, my kinship doesn't use xfire, over 500,000 players of lotro, don't use xfire. Get over it and realize Turbine is one of the greatest independent developers making mmorpgs. As far as 2010, they are either bring lotro to the consoles , or they are going to announce Asheron's Call 3 . I'm hoping for the ladder.
Using Xfire to show a kid who uses MMORPG.COM polls to back up how great LoTRO is, is a logical method to show someone that their method can go both ways. Sorry you dont "understand" that.
For 2010 they only have $20 million to use for a console game and they most likely do not have the license agreement for it to be LoTR. IP owners are not happy with Turbine atm, and depending on which publisher has the rights to the LoTR franchise... them too.
Your kin-ship sounds like a homoerotic pleasure boat, and because your opinion isnt greater than mine, feel free to pull out some actual facts. I would like to see where YOUR active subscriber numbers are coming from? Cmon.
Where did you get this figure? Link would be appreciated especially if it has other budget information.
He will tell you the same thing he did last page..he is not going to pull out and look up sources when you can do it yourself...meaning he has none.
According to Gamasutra, Turbine has been having trouble getting investors... do you know what investors pay attention to? two things, subscription numbers (success) and company stability. Right now NEITHER are good. Turbine is in numerous legal battles (or soon to be for a few), their Publisher for DDO hates them, Hasbro (wizards of the coast) hates them for how they used DDO and now Turbine hates both of them. It was just last year that Turbine had to let go of quite a bit of their Talent instead of switching them to different projects.
So when are we getting a source to this? The fact is that Turbine raised $40 millions last year and that was even before Moria and long before the succes of DDO:Unlimied.
What numerous legal battles are they in? They sued Atari for $30 millions and thoose who now the history of DDO can clearly see why and it seems Hasbro agrees with Turbine since they now sue them aswell. And wizard of the cost have said they have a good realion with Turbine and they work close together.
What if people like Rabenwolf used all their creativity to something usefull instead of making up stories on a MMO forum?
I told you where to find it, go search. Whats with all the laziness here?
In addition, business of games 101... you always go after the publisher. Hasbro is going after the Publisher because that is what Publishers are there for...they are the money. You should read a book called Business & Legal Primer For Game Development, published by Thomson.
Basically when the publisher and developer sign a contract, the publisher agrees to take the responsibility of legal action, in other words if a development studio ever gets sued, it goes directly to the Publisher. The publisher then can take the cost and take it from the developer at a later date depending on the agreement. Therefore, you have to understand that this doesnt mean Hasbro is "siding" with Turbine, only that they are following industry practice in which they have to go through the publisher.
If you think my "stories" or rather informative posts, are made up, then you should realize that maybe it is you who doesnt know as much as you think you know. But hey, denial seems to be popular amongst certain turbine fans. I can give you some sage advice though: Dont have brand loyalty, it a sign of stupidity. Companies are out for one thing only, to get your money.
Yes xfire is always what they turn to when presenting their "facts". I have no idea what percentage of gamers use xfire and neither do the people using the xfire numbers as "proof" . All I know is I dont use xfire and do not know anyone in RL that does. I would imagine some who play LOTRO may use it but have no idea who or how many and neither does anyone else. As for LOTRO numbers I know that Landroval server has a very healthy population and could care less where the game stands in sub numbers. But then again ive never subscribed to the theory that a bazillion people like it so it has to be good. A bazillion people think the network TV sitcoms are good as well, but I do not watch.
Quite easily after blizzard, turbine are the best of the bunch i own every pay to play and have tried just about all the free to plays and both wow and lotro are stunning games in there own rights, thats why i play both..
How anyone can call turbine **** is beyond me, have you not played any soe, mythic, funcom and the rest.... games of this world.....
Playing: FFXIV Future: wishing for SWG 2, World of Warcraft Classic Played: Most current and extinct MMO's - 18 Years in....
The first sign that someone doesn't have a clue what he is talking about , they use xfire. I don't use xfire, my kinship doesn't use xfire, over 500,000 players of lotro, don't use xfire. Get over it and realize Turbine is one of the greatest independent developers making mmorpgs. As far as 2010, they are either bring lotro to the consoles , or they are going to announce Asheron's Call 3 . I'm hoping for the ladder.
Using Xfire to show a kid who uses MMORPG.COM polls to back up how great LoTRO is, is a logical method to show someone that their method can go both ways. Sorry you dont "understand" that.
For 2010 they only have $20 million to use for a console game and they most likely do not have the license agreement for it to be LoTR. IP owners are not happy with Turbine atm, and depending on which publisher has the rights to the LoTR franchise... them too.
Your kin-ship sounds like a homoerotic pleasure boat, and because your opinion isnt greater than mine, feel free to pull out some actual facts. I would like to see where YOUR active subscriber numbers are coming from? Cmon.
Where did you get this figure? Link would be appreciated especially if it has other budget information.
He will tell you the same thing he did last page..he is not going to pull out and look up sources when you can do it yourself...meaning he has none.
or that I'm not going to hold your hands when you can do it yourself. Do you ever read Gamasutra? I suggest doing so daily.
"The real financial challenge for a new MMO on a console isn't even the game itself, the VP went on. The challenge is to build an extensible platform on which your first game (and every console game thereafter) can float. They're expecting it to take a total of $20 million for Turbine's first title. As long as that initial investment is a separate, reusable architecture, every game after the first will cost less." - Turbine VP - Game Dev Conference Austin
I think I have given you enough hints as to where this information is. Now toughen up and learn to use the internets.
The first sign that someone doesn't have a clue what he is talking about , they use xfire. I don't use xfire, my kinship doesn't use xfire, over 500,000 players of lotro, don't use xfire. Get over it and realize Turbine is one of the greatest independent developers making mmorpgs. As far as 2010, they are either bring lotro to the consoles , or they are going to announce Asheron's Call 3 . I'm hoping for the ladder.
Using Xfire to show a kid who uses MMORPG.COM polls to back up how great LoTRO is, is a logical method to show someone that their method can go both ways. Sorry you dont "understand" that.
For 2010 they only have $20 million to use for a console game and they most likely do not have the license agreement for it to be LoTR. IP owners are not happy with Turbine atm, and depending on which publisher has the rights to the LoTR franchise... them too.
Your kin-ship sounds like a homoerotic pleasure boat, and because your opinion isnt greater than mine, feel free to pull out some actual facts. I would like to see where YOUR active subscriber numbers are coming from? Cmon.
Where did you get this figure? Link would be appreciated especially if it has other budget information.
He will tell you the same thing he did last page..he is not going to pull out and look up sources when you can do it yourself...meaning he has none.
or that I'm not going to hold your hands when you can do it yourself. Do you ever read Gamasutra? I suggest doing so daily.
"The real financial challenge for a new MMO on a console isn't even the game itself, the VP went on. The challenge is to build an extensible platform on which your first game (and every console game thereafter) can float. They're expecting it to take a total of $20 million for Turbine's first title. As long as that initial investment is a separate, reusable architecture, every game after the first will cost less." - Turbine VP - Game Dev Conference Austin
I think I have given you enough hints as to where this information is. Now toughen up and learn to use the internets.
No, it just shows people. "I can give you this, state this, but I'm not gonna do sources for you" Also means "I don't have sources I'm just making up things as I go along" If you can't post your sources, then you have none. That is all there is to it. Is that what you are going to tell your teacher when you do a research paper and he asks for sources??? "I'm not going to hold your hands when you can do it yourself?" LOL, he'd fail you on purpose.
The first sign that someone doesn't have a clue what he is talking about , they use xfire. I don't use xfire, my kinship doesn't use xfire, over 500,000 players of lotro, don't use xfire. Get over it and realize Turbine is one of the greatest independent developers making mmorpgs. As far as 2010, they are either bring lotro to the consoles , or they are going to announce Asheron's Call 3 . I'm hoping for the ladder.
Using Xfire to show a kid who uses MMORPG.COM polls to back up how great LoTRO is, is a logical method to show someone that their method can go both ways. Sorry you dont "understand" that.
For 2010 they only have $20 million to use for a console game and they most likely do not have the license agreement for it to be LoTR. IP owners are not happy with Turbine atm, and depending on which publisher has the rights to the LoTR franchise... them too.
Your kin-ship sounds like a homoerotic pleasure boat, and because your opinion isnt greater than mine, feel free to pull out some actual facts. I would like to see where YOUR active subscriber numbers are coming from? Cmon.
Where did you get this figure? Link would be appreciated especially if it has other budget information.
He will tell you the same thing he did last page..he is not going to pull out and look up sources when you can do it yourself...meaning he has none.
or that I'm not going to hold your hands when you can do it yourself. Do you ever read Gamasutra? I suggest doing so daily.
"The real financial challenge for a new MMO on a console isn't even the game itself, the VP went on. The challenge is to build an extensible platform on which your first game (and every console game thereafter) can float. They're expecting it to take a total of $20 million for Turbine's first title. As long as that initial investment is a separate, reusable architecture, every game after the first will cost less." - Turbine VP - Game Dev Conference Austin
I think I have given you enough hints as to where this information is. Now toughen up and learn to use the internets.
So the fact that gamasutra says Turbine have raised $46.6 million for their upcoming console MMO doesnt matter? Keep trolling man
Creating the plattform to make console MMOs will cost them $20 millions acording to that quote.
I also searched gamasutra about investor problems but must have been a really old article so I dont see the relevance.
If WoW = The Beatles and WAR = Led Zeppelin Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
So the fact that gamasutra says Turbine have raised $46.6 million for their upcoming console MMO doesnt matter? Keep trolling man Creating the plattform to make console MMOs will cost them $20 millions acording to that quote. I also searched gamasutra about investor problems but must have been a really old article so I dont see the relevance.
actually it was 6 and a half million for new projects, their current attempts at switching over to the console platforms (due to the fact they are not making near as much as they expected on the PC platform) are aiming to cost less than $20 million for the next set of titles. With their current 1.5 years of development for the unnamed console title they have used $20 million already, which is where the drive to reach a total of $50 million is coming from. Of that again only 6.5 million has been gained, further more the $40 million you refer to doesnt mean it is for new project investment, there are forms of equity as well as legal contracts which the money is used for legal backing and such. The total value is often stated but the system for obtaining the said value is still unknown.
You already touched on the investor issue and you didnt even realize it yet. Invesetors will wait to see what happens with the legal battles and obtain more information from Turbine. Turbine is taking another risk by switching to the console market. This is not saying they dont have investors, but compared to a year or two ago the number is diminished considerably.
Furthermore no one is saying Turbine is dying or going bankrupt. The question, because of some over protective fanboys ends up being the issue of defining success. Again, Turbine has less than 2% of the entire mmorpg market. On average that is average, but not successful. You think it would be common knowledge by now that the only reason that number is what it is, as low as it is, is still there because of high profile IP's.
Keep defending turbine though. You keep thinking they are some how great and successful, but one day you will realize that even S**T from a pretty girl doesnt smell like roses, its no different than looking at a company you choose to support.
Going back to the original post that started all this:
Their strategy to drop AC, spend the money on obtaining high profile IP's and releasing rehashed low quality work on an outdated engine, letting the IP's name do the selling worked at first, not so much anymore. You have already proven my earlier point, the IP's made fans of those IPs become loyal to the company, which is a shame really. Some people will eat up anything with the IP they like, even if its utter crap.
After playing SOE games for a long time, Turbine was a breath of fresh air, I have been playing LOTRO since phase one beta, still a good game, for me, I hope Turbine can stay independant and not sell out to one of the big corps, who could care less about it's player base.. Good Luck in 2010 and beyond Turbine keep up the good work.. Looking forward to what that 5th title might be..
Fixed that for ya!
No I really hope that in March Turbine anounces that its going back to their roots with an AC style game. After the AC2 debocle I dont think that they will make an actual game that puts us back in the land of Dereth. I guess Im just a grumpy ass old gamer and I want my first game back with some updated systems (core staying the same) and some better graphics.
I'm just still waiting on my refund for an expansion pack to a game Turbine knew perfectly well was being shutdown when they charged me for it..
PS: Don't really give a crap bout a refund of course. I just find it odd people would ever want another AC when the talent behind the original game has been gone from Turbine for YEARS now and we already saw what the new blood was capable of with AC2...that worked out well.
I'm just still waiting on my refund for an expansion pack to a game Turbine knew perfectly well was being shutdown when they charged me for it..
PS: Don't really give a crap bout a refund of course. I just find it odd people would ever want another AC when the talent behind the original game has been gone from Turbine for YEARS now and we already saw what the new blood was capable of with AC2...that worked out well.
Wich again also means, that we yet again won't get more then 2 free book updates for the coming year. ...
LMAO this complaint is hilarious...
It kinda reminds me of a scene from the first Harry Potter book. Harry's cousin Dudley Dursley comes downstairs on his birthday and sees all of his birthday presents laid out on the table, then gets a scheming look upon his face and asks his father Vernon Dursley...
Dudley Dursley: How many are there?
Vernon Dursley: Thirty-Six...counted 'em myself...
Dudley Dursley: THIRTY-SIX!!! BUT LAST YEAR, LAST YEAR I GOT THIRTY-SEVEN!!!
For some folks the concept of FREE STUFF just has so little meaning...oh well
Keep up the good work Turbine!
It's because of people like you they can get away with it.
No one would complain if these last 2 free book updates were actually of some quality and had decent content in it.
Book 7 wasn't free. As Lothlorien was suppose to be in Mines of Moria expansion (check the back of your MoM box). The zone was basically ready, but they took it out the last moment before MoM launch, because it was too buggy still.
Book 8 wasn't that much either, except for the fact that it broke a lot of stuff in the game. Like CD. And that it took them almost 2 months to fix it again.
Basically it isn't free. As pretty much every P2P MMO receives free content updates between expansions, to keep people subscribed and busy. Even WoW.
That's part of the monthly sub you pay for each and every month.
No one can deny that Turbine's quality and service took a serious nosedive since Mines of Moria.
You are pretty naive and blind if you didn't see that. I guess you haven't taken a look on the official forums the past year?
Cheers
And it's people like you that need to quit bitching and trying to make people see things as negatively as they do, and just move on.....
So the fact that gamasutra says Turbine have raised $46.6 million for their upcoming console MMO doesnt matter? Keep trolling man Creating the plattform to make console MMOs will cost them $20 millions acording to that quote. I also searched gamasutra about investor problems but must have been a really old article so I dont see the relevance.
actually it was 6 and a half million for new projects, their current attempts at switching over to the console platforms (due to the fact they are not making near as much as they expected on the PC platform) are aiming to cost less than $20 million for the next set of titles. With their current 1.5 years of development for the unnamed console title they have used $20 million already, which is where the drive to reach a total of $50 million is coming from. Of that again only 6.5 million has been gained, further more the $40 million you refer to doesnt mean it is for new project investment, there are forms of equity as well as legal contracts which the money is used for legal backing and such. The total value is often stated but the system for obtaining the said value is still unknown.
You already touched on the investor issue and you didnt even realize it yet. Invesetors will wait to see what happens with the legal battles and obtain more information from Turbine. Turbine is taking another risk by switching to the console market. This is not saying they dont have investors, but compared to a year or two ago the number is diminished considerably.
Furthermore no one is saying Turbine is dying or going bankrupt. The question, because of some over protective fanboys ends up being the issue of defining success. Again, Turbine has less than 2% of the entire mmorpg market. On average that is average, but not successful. You think it would be common knowledge by now that the only reason that number is what it is, as low as it is, is still there because of high profile IP's.
Keep defending turbine though. You keep thinking they are some how great and successful, but one day you will realize that even S**T from a pretty girl doesnt smell like roses, its no different than looking at a company you choose to support.
Going back to the original post that started all this:
Their strategy to drop AC, spend the money on obtaining high profile IP's and releasing rehashed low quality work on an outdated engine, letting the IP's name do the selling worked at first, not so much anymore. You have already proven my earlier point, the IP's made fans of those IPs become loyal to the company, which is a shame really. Some people will eat up anything with the IP they like, even if its utter crap.
Only that wasn't their strategy. First, they didn't drop AC, it was AC2 that was canceled. Secondly, AC2 wasn't canceled in light of of some "strategy" as you suggest above. It died for different reasons of which have been documented and are available on the internet.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
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Using Xfire to show a kid who uses MMORPG.COM polls to back up how great LoTRO is, is a logical method to show someone that their method can go both ways. Sorry you dont "understand" that.
For 2010 they only have $20 million to use for a console game and they most likely do not have the license agreement for it to be LoTR. IP owners are not happy with Turbine atm, and depending on which publisher has the rights to the LoTR franchise... them too.
Your kin-ship sounds like a homoerotic pleasure boat, and because your opinion isnt greater than mine, feel free to pull out some actual facts. I would like to see where YOUR active subscriber numbers are coming from? Cmon.
Where did you get this figure? Link would be appreciated especially if it has other budget information.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
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Using Xfire to show a kid who uses MMORPG.COM polls to back up how great LoTRO is, is a logical method to show someone that their method can go both ways. Sorry you dont "understand" that.
For 2010 they only have $20 million to use for a console game and they most likely do not have the license agreement for it to be LoTR. IP owners are not happy with Turbine atm, and depending on which publisher has the rights to the LoTR franchise... them too.
Your kin-ship sounds like a homoerotic pleasure boat, and because your opinion isnt greater than mine, feel free to pull out some actual facts. I would like to see where YOUR active subscriber numbers are coming from? Cmon.
Where did you get this figure? Link would be appreciated especially if it has other budget information.
He will tell you the same thing he did last page..he is not going to pull out and look up sources when you can do it yourself...meaning he has none.
Turbine just won Ten ton hammers awards for Best expansion of the year and best free to play MMO of the year
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/78203/page/5
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
So when are we getting a source to this? The fact is that Turbine raised $40 millions last year and that was even before Moria and long before the succes of DDO:Unlimied.
What numerous legal battles are they in? They sued Atari for $30 millions and thoose who now the history of DDO can clearly see why and it seems Hasbro agrees with Turbine since they now sue them aswell. And wizard of the cost have said they have a good realion with Turbine and they work close together.
What if people like Rabenwolf used all their creativity to something usefull instead of making up stories on a MMO forum?
I told you where to find it, go search. Whats with all the laziness here?
In addition, business of games 101... you always go after the publisher. Hasbro is going after the Publisher because that is what Publishers are there for...they are the money. You should read a book called Business & Legal Primer For Game Development, published by Thomson.
Basically when the publisher and developer sign a contract, the publisher agrees to take the responsibility of legal action, in other words if a development studio ever gets sued, it goes directly to the Publisher. The publisher then can take the cost and take it from the developer at a later date depending on the agreement. Therefore, you have to understand that this doesnt mean Hasbro is "siding" with Turbine, only that they are following industry practice in which they have to go through the publisher.
If you think my "stories" or rather informative posts, are made up, then you should realize that maybe it is you who doesnt know as much as you think you know. But hey, denial seems to be popular amongst certain turbine fans. I can give you some sage advice though: Dont have brand loyalty, it a sign of stupidity. Companies are out for one thing only, to get your money.
Yes xfire is always what they turn to when presenting their "facts". I have no idea what percentage of gamers use xfire and neither do the people using the xfire numbers as "proof" . All I know is I dont use xfire and do not know anyone in RL that does. I would imagine some who play LOTRO may use it but have no idea who or how many and neither does anyone else. As for LOTRO numbers I know that Landroval server has a very healthy population and could care less where the game stands in sub numbers. But then again ive never subscribed to the theory that a bazillion people like it so it has to be good. A bazillion people think the network TV sitcoms are good as well, but I do not watch.
Quite easily after blizzard, turbine are the best of the bunch i own every pay to play and have tried just about all the free to plays and both wow and lotro are stunning games in there own rights, thats why i play both..
How anyone can call turbine **** is beyond me, have you not played any soe, mythic, funcom and the rest.... games of this world.....
Playing: FFXIV
Future: wishing for SWG 2, World of Warcraft Classic
Played: Most current and extinct MMO's - 18 Years in....
Interesting Fact - I own 27 Tarantula's
Using Xfire to show a kid who uses MMORPG.COM polls to back up how great LoTRO is, is a logical method to show someone that their method can go both ways. Sorry you dont "understand" that.
For 2010 they only have $20 million to use for a console game and they most likely do not have the license agreement for it to be LoTR. IP owners are not happy with Turbine atm, and depending on which publisher has the rights to the LoTR franchise... them too.
Your kin-ship sounds like a homoerotic pleasure boat, and because your opinion isnt greater than mine, feel free to pull out some actual facts. I would like to see where YOUR active subscriber numbers are coming from? Cmon.
Where did you get this figure? Link would be appreciated especially if it has other budget information.
He will tell you the same thing he did last page..he is not going to pull out and look up sources when you can do it yourself...meaning he has none.
or that I'm not going to hold your hands when you can do it yourself. Do you ever read Gamasutra? I suggest doing so daily.
"The real financial challenge for a new MMO on a console isn't even the game itself, the VP went on. The challenge is to build an extensible platform on which your first game (and every console game thereafter) can float. They're expecting it to take a total of $20 million for Turbine's first title. As long as that initial investment is a separate, reusable architecture, every game after the first will cost less." - Turbine VP - Game Dev Conference Austin
I think I have given you enough hints as to where this information is. Now toughen up and learn to use the internets.
Using Xfire to show a kid who uses MMORPG.COM polls to back up how great LoTRO is, is a logical method to show someone that their method can go both ways. Sorry you dont "understand" that.
For 2010 they only have $20 million to use for a console game and they most likely do not have the license agreement for it to be LoTR. IP owners are not happy with Turbine atm, and depending on which publisher has the rights to the LoTR franchise... them too.
Your kin-ship sounds like a homoerotic pleasure boat, and because your opinion isnt greater than mine, feel free to pull out some actual facts. I would like to see where YOUR active subscriber numbers are coming from? Cmon.
Where did you get this figure? Link would be appreciated especially if it has other budget information.
He will tell you the same thing he did last page..he is not going to pull out and look up sources when you can do it yourself...meaning he has none.
or that I'm not going to hold your hands when you can do it yourself. Do you ever read Gamasutra? I suggest doing so daily.
"The real financial challenge for a new MMO on a console isn't even the game itself, the VP went on. The challenge is to build an extensible platform on which your first game (and every console game thereafter) can float. They're expecting it to take a total of $20 million for Turbine's first title. As long as that initial investment is a separate, reusable architecture, every game after the first will cost less." - Turbine VP - Game Dev Conference Austin
I think I have given you enough hints as to where this information is. Now toughen up and learn to use the internets.
No, it just shows people. "I can give you this, state this, but I'm not gonna do sources for you" Also means "I don't have sources I'm just making up things as I go along" If you can't post your sources, then you have none. That is all there is to it. Is that what you are going to tell your teacher when you do a research paper and he asks for sources??? "I'm not going to hold your hands when you can do it yourself?" LOL, he'd fail you on purpose.
Using Xfire to show a kid who uses MMORPG.COM polls to back up how great LoTRO is, is a logical method to show someone that their method can go both ways. Sorry you dont "understand" that.
For 2010 they only have $20 million to use for a console game and they most likely do not have the license agreement for it to be LoTR. IP owners are not happy with Turbine atm, and depending on which publisher has the rights to the LoTR franchise... them too.
Your kin-ship sounds like a homoerotic pleasure boat, and because your opinion isnt greater than mine, feel free to pull out some actual facts. I would like to see where YOUR active subscriber numbers are coming from? Cmon.
Where did you get this figure? Link would be appreciated especially if it has other budget information.
He will tell you the same thing he did last page..he is not going to pull out and look up sources when you can do it yourself...meaning he has none.
or that I'm not going to hold your hands when you can do it yourself. Do you ever read Gamasutra? I suggest doing so daily.
"The real financial challenge for a new MMO on a console isn't even the game itself, the VP went on. The challenge is to build an extensible platform on which your first game (and every console game thereafter) can float. They're expecting it to take a total of $20 million for Turbine's first title. As long as that initial investment is a separate, reusable architecture, every game after the first will cost less." - Turbine VP - Game Dev Conference Austin
I think I have given you enough hints as to where this information is. Now toughen up and learn to use the internets.
So the fact that gamasutra says Turbine have raised $46.6 million for their upcoming console MMO doesnt matter? Keep trolling man
Creating the plattform to make console MMOs will cost them $20 millions acording to that quote.
I also searched gamasutra about investor problems but must have been a really old article so I dont see the relevance.
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Just ignore that clown, he has no proof, and looks stupid making up things.
actually it was 6 and a half million for new projects, their current attempts at switching over to the console platforms (due to the fact they are not making near as much as they expected on the PC platform) are aiming to cost less than $20 million for the next set of titles. With their current 1.5 years of development for the unnamed console title they have used $20 million already, which is where the drive to reach a total of $50 million is coming from. Of that again only 6.5 million has been gained, further more the $40 million you refer to doesnt mean it is for new project investment, there are forms of equity as well as legal contracts which the money is used for legal backing and such. The total value is often stated but the system for obtaining the said value is still unknown.
You already touched on the investor issue and you didnt even realize it yet. Invesetors will wait to see what happens with the legal battles and obtain more information from Turbine. Turbine is taking another risk by switching to the console market. This is not saying they dont have investors, but compared to a year or two ago the number is diminished considerably.
Furthermore no one is saying Turbine is dying or going bankrupt. The question, because of some over protective fanboys ends up being the issue of defining success. Again, Turbine has less than 2% of the entire mmorpg market. On average that is average, but not successful. You think it would be common knowledge by now that the only reason that number is what it is, as low as it is, is still there because of high profile IP's.
Keep defending turbine though. You keep thinking they are some how great and successful, but one day you will realize that even S**T from a pretty girl doesnt smell like roses, its no different than looking at a company you choose to support.
Going back to the original post that started all this:
Their strategy to drop AC, spend the money on obtaining high profile IP's and releasing rehashed low quality work on an outdated engine, letting the IP's name do the selling worked at first, not so much anymore. You have already proven my earlier point, the IP's made fans of those IPs become loyal to the company, which is a shame really. Some people will eat up anything with the IP they like, even if its utter crap.
Fixed that for ya!
No I really hope that in March Turbine anounces that its going back to their roots with an AC style game. After the AC2 debocle I dont think that they will make an actual game that puts us back in the land of Dereth. I guess Im just a grumpy ass old gamer and I want my first game back with some updated systems (core staying the same) and some better graphics.
/opinion
I'm just still waiting on my refund for an expansion pack to a game Turbine knew perfectly well was being shutdown when they charged me for it..
PS: Don't really give a crap bout a refund of course. I just find it odd people would ever want another AC when the talent behind the original game has been gone from Turbine for YEARS now and we already saw what the new blood was capable of with AC2...that worked out well.
nicely put.
I wanna see DDO and LOTRO in DX11. Hope it happens in first half of 2010.
LMAO this complaint is hilarious...
It kinda reminds me of a scene from the first Harry Potter book. Harry's cousin Dudley Dursley comes downstairs on his birthday and sees all of his birthday presents laid out on the table, then gets a scheming look upon his face and asks his father Vernon Dursley...
Dudley Dursley: How many are there?
Vernon Dursley: Thirty-Six...counted 'em myself...
Dudley Dursley: THIRTY-SIX!!! BUT LAST YEAR, LAST YEAR I GOT THIRTY-SEVEN!!!
For some folks the concept of FREE STUFF just has so little meaning...oh well
Keep up the good work Turbine!
It's because of people like you they can get away with it.
No one would complain if these last 2 free book updates were actually of some quality and had decent content in it.
Book 7 wasn't free. As Lothlorien was suppose to be in Mines of Moria expansion (check the back of your MoM box). The zone was basically ready, but they took it out the last moment before MoM launch, because it was too buggy still.
Book 8 wasn't that much either, except for the fact that it broke a lot of stuff in the game. Like CD. And that it took them almost 2 months to fix it again.
Basically it isn't free. As pretty much every P2P MMO receives free content updates between expansions, to keep people subscribed and busy. Even WoW.
That's part of the monthly sub you pay for each and every month.
No one can deny that Turbine's quality and service took a serious nosedive since Mines of Moria.
You are pretty naive and blind if you didn't see that. I guess you haven't taken a look on the official forums the past year?
Cheers
And it's people like you that need to quit bitching and trying to make people see things as negatively as they do, and just move on.....
actually it was 6 and a half million for new projects, their current attempts at switching over to the console platforms (due to the fact they are not making near as much as they expected on the PC platform) are aiming to cost less than $20 million for the next set of titles. With their current 1.5 years of development for the unnamed console title they have used $20 million already, which is where the drive to reach a total of $50 million is coming from. Of that again only 6.5 million has been gained, further more the $40 million you refer to doesnt mean it is for new project investment, there are forms of equity as well as legal contracts which the money is used for legal backing and such. The total value is often stated but the system for obtaining the said value is still unknown.
You already touched on the investor issue and you didnt even realize it yet. Invesetors will wait to see what happens with the legal battles and obtain more information from Turbine. Turbine is taking another risk by switching to the console market. This is not saying they dont have investors, but compared to a year or two ago the number is diminished considerably.
Furthermore no one is saying Turbine is dying or going bankrupt. The question, because of some over protective fanboys ends up being the issue of defining success. Again, Turbine has less than 2% of the entire mmorpg market. On average that is average, but not successful. You think it would be common knowledge by now that the only reason that number is what it is, as low as it is, is still there because of high profile IP's.
Keep defending turbine though. You keep thinking they are some how great and successful, but one day you will realize that even S**T from a pretty girl doesnt smell like roses, its no different than looking at a company you choose to support.
Going back to the original post that started all this:
Their strategy to drop AC, spend the money on obtaining high profile IP's and releasing rehashed low quality work on an outdated engine, letting the IP's name do the selling worked at first, not so much anymore. You have already proven my earlier point, the IP's made fans of those IPs become loyal to the company, which is a shame really. Some people will eat up anything with the IP they like, even if its utter crap.
Only that wasn't their strategy. First, they didn't drop AC, it was AC2 that was canceled. Secondly, AC2 wasn't canceled in light of of some "strategy" as you suggest above. It died for different reasons of which have been documented and are available on the internet.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
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Agreed like Turbine or hate them we as a community should certainly respect both there efforts and the treatment they give to there player base.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....