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Cryptic might have made more $ if.............
Battleskar
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Atari would have made Jack Emmert keep his mouth shut about the game lol. The more I hear from this guy the more disgusted with the game I get.I went from Pre-Order to a wait and see attitude,and now to a forget this crapper of a game.The more he tells about whats in the game the more I cannot believe its turning out so bad. When I read he says they are listening to their community and that they will be adding what they want after the game releases the more I clearly see they have the attitude of release now,and fix and add content later attitude.How many mmo's have to fail to get these Execs to realize if they really want to get a huge return they are going to have to invest a huge amount of time,money,and stay away from Cryptic,SOE,and Funcom. CCP Hands down should have had this IP.
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And there in is part of the problem. How much information is to much. Should all game companies just remain silent about their game till it releases? We are to blame as much as the game companies are. We keep demanding that we want information and if no information is put out, then the doomsayers come out of the woodwork and start slamming the game and the company because they refuse to give us any information. In that same instance, if they do release information and its not to everyones liking, then those same doomsayers come out and say this game is going to be crap because they didn't do this, or this or that. It is a no win situation.
You already know that they are listening, they added in the main bridge graphics when everyone was slamming them for it. Its obvious to anyone that is willing to just open their eyes, that they can not put everything that everyone wants in the game even if they extended their launch date for another 2 years. So what is wrong with them adding in content as it goes along? Thats what mmo's do.
Do you really think CCP could have done this game right? They are a pretty small team compared to a lot of the bigger companies. Seriously, do you want to play a spreadsheet of Star Trek Online? How long has this game been out and still when you warp, you warp right through planets. I know they have explained it, but its still wrong. I don't know, I am not sure if I would want them doing star trek.
I am of the mind that I am giving the game a try, regardless. If I don't like it, oh well, Im out 80 bucks. yes I pre ordered the CE edition.First time I have ever bought a CE edition of anything. Heck, if they offered a lifetime membership right now, I would probably take it. And the big reason is, even if it starts out rough, I still think the game and the company has the potential to be a good. Should they extend their launch and work on it more, Oh I am sure they probably should. But I have to say, in my mind, I have been waiting far to long for this game to come out and I want it now. So yes, I am selfish in that I want to play now and not later, and it might be a bad decision on my part, but I am tired of waiting, as I think many people are. And because of that, I am definitely willing to overlook some bugs for a while.
Do I think CCP could do this game right? HELL YEAH!!!. Eve may be a game alot of people do not like ,but its damn good.If your looking for a good rpg they did it right,the game is serious.Lets take a minute and take a look at the game engine.Eve already looks lalmost as good as the Star Trek Next Generation and DS9 shows already.Think about it should a Borg cube scare the hell out of you,hell yes.CCP would pronbably have made it to where if you came in contact with one you probably would really feel like the TV show made them look,almost unbeatable,but I bet you already they will be a cake walk in STO.Also I am not trying to bash the game just the company thats trying to push an unfinished game out.If they really were listening to their community they would delay the game at least until the Klingons have as much content and story as the Federation side does.WoW did this right at least,when the game released Horde and Alliance both had plenty of content to the point is was almot even. I really do not think you can even compare ccp to cryptic which companies games are full of players right now?Size of the dev team I am sure helps,but it is the quality of that team that really counts. This game will fail outside of a few Trekkie nerds that will not give up their fantasy.
Again, another doomsayer throwing out his "fail" comment.And yes, you are trying to bash the game if your going to come in here and shout out ''fail' when you haven't even played it yet.I guess I will have to throw out my "Might Win" comment and you will notice the word 'might' in there as I actually havent played the game either but at least I am willing to give it a chance and not go into it with my own prejudices about how the game should be made.
I have played Eve, as a matter fact, I still do. I think Eve has some interesting things going for it, but lets get real. it is nothing but a spreadsheet with some pretty space painted over it. Do you really think the general public will go for real time training? I have been training for a really long freaking time and have 40 million skill points. All my learning skills are up, almost all my skills are in ships and combat abilities and if I was to go and try to train for capital ships it would still be another 6 months or more to get that up and the needed skills to outfit it properly. Sorry, I just dont think the trek fans or the general public would appreciate that type of learning system.
As far as ships goes, there are very few in Eve that I actually like. Mostly caldari ones and then only a select few in there. Eve while still being gorgeous, is most definitely becoming outdated with its graphics. Even with their latest graphics overhaul, they are not all that. Don't get me wrong, they were a huge improvement over previous graphics (except a few I thought they actually made them worse because they changed the design of them from one that I really liked), but they are still outdated.
It's possible they could do it right, and just as possible that they wouldn't. No doubt someone would find reason to complain.
Is EVE a good game? I think so. Is CCP a good developer? I believe that's true as well.
But I've got one word for you: Ambulation. How long has that been "coming soon"?
CCP is good, but they aren't perfect. EVE wasn't much more than a glorified screensaver when it launched, and an ugly one at that. Much of the depth of that game, which is over 6 years old now, has come with the expansions. I'm not sure anyone would be up to the task of making a Star Trek game with the current depth of EVE, CCP included. There'd still be some unhappiness at some point with their design choices, just as will happen with every game and every game developer.
WOW is more an aberration than it is the norm, and has more subs than either EVE or STO are likely to ever have. Still, it wasn't perfect at launch - it was short endgame content, didn't have battlegrounds at launch, technical issues aplenty, etc.
I think CCP would have done a good job with Star Trek, but I don't think it would be the slamdunk you think.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
Did I not see this thread yesterday with more than 5 posts? What happened?
Problem isn't with the level of communication they have done....it's that the design choices they have made assure that the game won't have any appeal to a large cross-section of thier possible target audience.
It will certainly appeal to some section of the audience.....but with the design choices they made....they are going to get less people then they could have had.
For instance, there is no reason (aside from resource constraints) they couldn't have had multi-player crews in as an OPTION. Same with fully fledged content for Klingon & Romulan Factions or more robust starship interiors. All of those features are hot-button issues for certain audience segments.
Argue-ably putting in a more diverse feature-set would have cost more time/money in development. I guess they are hoping on a quick ROI now...and maybe using some of that capital to add in more features to appeal to a broader audience later.
Problem is with an IP like this there are ALOT of expectations built into it. If it launches with less then a full feature set to meet most of those expectations (meaning a full big budget production schedule and resources) it's going to piss-off/let down a huge section of it's potential fan base who will never give the game a 2nd look....even if 2 years down the line the game adds in the features that they are interested in...because by then it will be yesterdays news...and will already have left a bad taste in thier mouth.
A game not built on such a well established IP doesn't really have those same issues...because the expectations aren't already built in. It can afford to launch with a lighter feature set and then layer in more stuff as it grows. Big well established IP's like Trek almost require a huge production budget/schedule for launch....because of the fan expectations built in.
Note that being upfront about what is in the game before launch IS better then being silent as to the features it has and then letting down buyers AFTER they've bought the product. I'll give Cryptic credit for THAT at least. Can you imagine the outcry if people bought the game EXPECTING full Klingon/Romulan Etc Factions, Player Crews, Starship Interiors and everything else that a fan might dream of from a Trek game....and Cryptic was silent about whether the game included it prior to when you bought it.....and then the fan discovered those features were missing only AFTER they bought the game?
At least with this....if the buyer goes into it expecting stuff that isn't there....they have only themselves to blame. Cryptic has made most of the information available about what the game is like (if you can read through the standard SPIN) for anyone that cares to do thier research
I agree.You pretty much summed up what I wanted say,only you did it alot better than I could have:P
Exactly. Like it or not, you know what you're getting with this game before you buy it which is not always the case.
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