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The reason why people prefer F2p over P2P
muntazax
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ok this post is for those losers who keep on yapping about how good gamers they are just because they P2P and people who play F2P games suck (according to P2P gamers). so listen up
Firstly (taking myself as a example) i stay in India and when it comes to paying in dollars we have to shell out 'ALOT' as 1$ is Rs50. I play WOW so i have to shell out around a 1000 bucks a month thats half my monthly pocket money (yup that also means that i take my girlfriend to cheap places on date)
secondly some of the parents over here dont even allow their children to pay as they say its waste of money (just like my parents but still i pay secretly)
thirdly its not easy to pay because many some times your money never reaches (just like it happened with me twice when i used to play runescape and my membership got cancelled)
fourth not everyone over here owns a credit card
and finally when you get F2P games that outclass most of the P2P games then why waste your money?
so if anyone thinks differently please post your reasons (plz dont give dumb reasons)
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No1 here says f2p gamers sucks
Why do you troll ?
Uh, is this in response to another post or something?
The reason I ask is because I've been here for quite awhile and while I don't see every post on the subject, most of the ones I do see are more along the lines of "F2P games aren't on par with P2P games" type posts. I have honestly never seen a thread that calls F2P players out for any reason. Plenty that call out specific F2P games, but not the players themselves.
Personally I dislike F2P games because they are, on average, sub par grindfests with item shops which I despise. Yes, I know it's a necessary part of the F2P business model, but I despise them regardless due to the "bending the player over a barrel without lube" way they are implemented.
Good luck on your crusade OP, but I think your anger at the posters of this forum are mis-placed as people here tend to be tolerant of all play styles.
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If you prefer F2P over P2P then I envy you. Myself I find that all F2P games are sub standard and usually just an interface that directs you towards a cash shop. In any F2P getting the edge = spending money in the cash shop, I don't like this philosophy and don't like the games. If you do then you're lucky.
I find those that prefer F2P are usually younger gamers without access to the disposable income to play P2P, and that is why they're playing F2P. That I think goes for the majority, those that enjoy them over P2P are just lucky.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Are you talking about the mmorpg.com forums or some other forum? The posters on these forums are quite constructive in their criticism but I would hardly call them 'tolerant of all play styles'.
Wait wait wait....
a) I never heard anyone say they're better because they play P2P
b) insulting people who might have said that doesn't make them look worse, but just makes yourself look immature
c) that some F2P games are better than horrible P2P games is normal. But sucking at my own toe might also be interesting than playing some of the worst F2P or P2P games. In other words: comparing anything to a horrible game doesn't make much sense
d) most of the reasons you say are that people don't have the money or can't spend it. So what? Just earn some. And aquiring a credit card is normally a piece of cake anyway nowadays. Or don't, but then don't complain that you can't play it
e) I tried a lot of F2P MMORPGs but never found any interesting enough to play it for longer
f) if you really like an F2P MMORPG then you will most likely hand out money anyway, since the longer you play it the harder it gets without spending money. And if you spend money, it's not free anymore
g) and you are right, the exchange rates are something horrible. When a game is sold for 50$ in USA and 50€ in europe, then you can just slap the guys setting those price. Well, and of course avoid buying the game
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
A few reasons why I dislike F2P games,the people that play them I got no problem as long as they stay legit.
1- F2P = Botting/Exploit paradise. Yes yes WoW has "alot" of them also thats because of they're high population,but the ratio of botters/legits is nothing compared to most of the F2P out there.
2-F2P = Item malls , which will require you to put money in the long run,even if your playing with friends you'll have a hard time doing the high end dungeons.
3-F2P = poor player support unless you pay their item mall,then they will start listening to you,don't try prooveing me wrong,I've tested this with my friends quite alot.
4-F2P = screwed up economy because of reason 1 and 2. A item shop can screw up any economy pretty bad,one game that comes right away into mind is Atlantica Online. This game is suited for those that earn at least 100K$ per year. Try it and you'll see what I mean when you reach level 80-90. Alot of people have putted over 10K$ into the game,its their choice.
If you really want to play a F2P, always try playing a companie that has 1 or 2 games in their possession,avoid at all cost those with over 6 MMO in their resume. But again if I were in your position I'd just stick with 1st shooters,alot more fun then mostly any MMO out there anyways. One F2P that comes to mind that is pretty decent to my standards is Runes of Magic,If you learn the mechanics of the game properly you won't even need to put a dime in their item shop.
My main and only reason why I will always love P2P MMO is because you pay the monthly fee,and what you see is what you get,no need to buy special scrolls and potions to be able to get more drops/EXP and crap.
Happy new year to all!
no this was for those people who think like that (as i have seen many peple post somthing about how good P2P players are than F2P gamers) i also play WOW (lvl 62 druid, 21 mage, and 34 shaman) but as i have mentioned i have to spill alot of money as i play from India which mostly leaves me broke thats why i prefer F2P games like DDO, FLYFF, Runes of Magic etc. and frankly even i hate those F2P games which have Item malls because it gives people an extra advantage to people who have alot of money to burn and then these games also become kind of P2P
I like an online game where the players ARE EXACTLY THE SAME based on content completed.
If you are level 5, you have killed 1,000 mobs and/or completed 30 quests. EVERYONE on the server that is level 5 has killed 1,000 mobs and/or has completed 30 quests.
In a F2P game, everyone is not exactly the same. If I get an xp potion, or I buy a ring that ads to my mana, or whatever, then I may be level 5 and I HAVE NOT KILLED 1,000 mobs and/or completed 30 quests.
In the F2P game, some people may have killed 3,000 mobs, some 2,000 some 500 and/or completed 10, 20, or 30 quests depending on how much they spent at the item shop.
I don't enjoy that sort of game.
Wtf? Who peed in your Wheaties?
Anyways, most f2p games simply didn't compare to what is available in p2p games content wise, gameplay, etc. in my opinion. However, this trend seems to be changing due partly to f2p companies investing more into their product while at the same time p2p companies appear to be going the opposite direction. Quite frankly when you consider some of the "newer" f2p games out there like Runes of Magic and possibly Allods Online there finally is a reason for me to start taking f2p games seriously.
I would still prefer the p2p model because the f2p model just gears so much to those that can spend an exorbitant amount of money compared to those that can't. Considering the p2p games that hav come out lately though it's getting harder and harder to make a case against f2p though. There have been some really disappointing p2p offerings as of late and the companies, for the most part, behind these games make little effort at all from a customer service and support angle.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
The only people who prefer f2p over p2p are people with a bunch of disposable income who enjoy beating people more than then enjoy a challenge.
Remember Brucie from GTA 4? He prefers f2p.
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
F2P are "free" because they are of lesser quality.
The posters here like to discuss the quality of games... its pretty simple.
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The OP refers to this thread "Is Guild Wars II free?"
People didn't make fun of you just because you wanted a F2P title. They made fun of you because you were really hard to understand and came across as---- well, cant think of a good way to say it.... Let's just say your post were barely legible / readable.
So now I am wondering what is going on because in this thread you are now typing clearly. But in the other thread you started, your posts were barely readable
OP wrote in that other thread stuff like this:
"srry for tat. nd wat i like to play mmos is tat r quick in duelin like RO instances like WOW nd wich r basically fun to play nd more importantly f2p(i no im askin for a lot but i cant help it ive played so many mmos its gettin borin now)"
Now your posts are clearly readable all of a sudden. I don't know what to believe but I seriously doubt anything you say. I doubt you really live in India to be honest. But I'm just gonna let it go
there are main rules to play p2p games. Be ready to not play any other game then mmorpg. If you buy wow for example, dont get a ps3 or an xbox. If you do, dont try to buy too much games on these console. Same for pv, dont spend too much money on games. Dont eat fast food too often to waste your 15 box of the month that fast.
Seriously its easy. You just have to be smart. Your mmorpg cost from 20 to 50$. its 15 a month that equal around 180$ a year.
Its just a matter of doing sacrifice and being smart.
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Hell I'll bite.
F2P games breed a level of elitism and community division that makes many games unbearable after a while. Since most of these games are set up with an insane grind requirement, sooner or later people will either have to:
A: Spend significant amounts of money in the Cash Shop to gain advantages
B: Play 12+ hours a day, 7 days a week
C: Share the character among 2-3 people
E: Realize that the time and money investment is not worth it and give up
F: Become interested in another part of the game, such as PvP, crafting, or merchanting.
These action usually divide the community and set groups against each other. The B group feels that the A group is cheating by buying advantages and that the C group is cheating because it needs to be done by one person. The A group thinks the B group is stupid for wasting that much time on a game and the C group is cheating by using so many people to negate group A's paid advantages. Of course everyone hates group D. Group E calls group A-C losers and no-lifes and says at least once a day either they prefer the game of real life or they have better things to spend their money on. Group F would say something but they have their own conflicts in the sub-genre they are currently engrossed in.
Of course some are a combination of these, some could care less and play for a couple hours a day, oblivious to the conflicts these "pros" have. However, this list is based off observations, reactions, and encounters during 4 years of playing F2P games. Some of it may be based on a younger crowd having access to the games, but I have seen just as many 25-30 year olds acting like this as well. Top it all off with a game that is managed and run poorly with little in the way of fixing bugs or getting hackers and botters removed and you have a recipie for disaster.
There are many petty, selfish, elitist, entitled, spolied, douchbags that play F2P games. They are assholes and they would be assholes no matter what type of game they played. F2P however, removes the barrier of entry so you see them more often. This of course is not counting the people who spend thousands of dollars to make thier +9 sword into a +10, but then again we went over them back in Group A. For most of these problem F2P players, 15 dollars a month, a credit card, or some other form of subscription verification is all that separtates them from the Gear Queers, Raid Nazis, Griefers, Scammers, KS'ers, and other forms of dross that you see pollutiing many P2P games.
Long story short both models have assholes and scum. They just stick out more in F2P because of the competitive structure of the game, the uncapped pricing model, the greatly elevated end game goals and the almost unlimited access to anyone with a computer.
Half your money goes to WoW? Seriously? And you started this trolling with name calling? Really?
Huh?? Which F2P game even comes close to the best p2p games? I don't see it.
Then theres the kiddies who don't have credit cards...
Make it so...
P2p game- This game has a very nice graphics and less lags. Some says that "Because of the cost involved in playing the game, hackers and other rule breakers will usually stay clear of the game for the most part because it's not worth the cost if they just want to hack or bot to level up. . This means better events as well, which make any game better. Think about it, you're paying a measly $50 tops for a great game, with great customer service, great events, and very few botters, hackers, and rule breakers. Can it get any better than this?"
Free to paly game... Well anybody wants a free game, so you don't need to buy the game and you just need to download it for quite long hour. Usually in these games, the game will become very unfair if it is too cash shop dependent, meaning users need to pay for cash shop items to do good in game. Whether it be potions, essential armors/weapons, or experience bonuses.
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free to play games feature the worst of the bad players. Undedicated teens that just wanna kill some time with zero sense of community.
That's pretty much like cheap bars in real life, if you get in for free and every drink is three bucks it takes 2 hours until the first ambulance arrives; If you go to a nice laid back club that costs 30 bucks just to get in nobody will pee on the floor and sing la bamba.
*g*
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Holy blind generalization, Batman. In several f2p games you can find communities that rival the best of subscription communities. Half of the design of a f2p in some cases is dependent on a tight community building.
And as for your bar analogy, I can take you to plenty of clubs with a 50 dollar cover where you'll see worse debauchary and mistreatment of your fellow man than at a free corner dive.
But let me guess... to you, every F2P is a low quality money grab grind game where rude anti-social teens have to pay to compete, right?
And I doubt anything will change your mind.
- RPG Quiz - can you get all 25 right?
- FPS Quiz - how well do you know your shooters?
Holy blind generalization, Batman. In several f2p games you can find communities that rival the best of subscription communities. Half of the design of a f2p in some cases is dependent on a tight community building.
And as for your bar analogy, I can take you to plenty of clubs with a 50 dollar cover where you'll see worse debauchary and mistreatment of your fellow man than at a free corner dive.
But let me guess... to you, every F2P is a low quality money grab grind game where rude anti-social teens have to pay to compete, right?
And I doubt anything will change your mind.
I'll change my mind if I find a F2P title with an average age of 32 and a university degree. Until then I'll stick to the nerd galaxy and blast whiny teenagers...
And yes, I am biased towards F2P games and yes, this attitude crawled out of my personal woodwork of _really_ bad experiences.
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Doesn't seem any different to me in f2p games than p2p any more especailly in the newer launched games. Not that I'm throwing a compliment at either genre just seems the same old rigamrole regardless of whether it's f2p or p2p far as community goes.
There are some exceptions in the older games far as how the community acts and treats each other, but across the board any more the community in general leaves a lot to be desired in most games no matter which type you play.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
You get what you pay for. It's an old saying, but a good one. The cost to develop a top MMO game is in the multi-millions. F2P games have got two choices, they are either very crappy games put together on such a small budget that they can't possible be any good, or they cost multi-millions to make and they have to find some way to recoup those costs, generally by not truly being free to play, but blood suckers that constantly badger you in some way, either by micro transactions or worse, advertisements popping up all over the damn place.
Most P2P games cost no more than 10 to 15 dollars (US) per month. Average players spend about 2 hours a day (averaging out). That's 60 hours of entertainment per month, or fifty cents a day.. or twenty-five cents an hour. That's nothing. Let's compare that to a movie. Average price, 10 bucks (around here). That's five dollars per hour, or twenty times more expensive (assuming you don't buy any popcorn or drinks, then it gets even worse).
So why do people complain about one of the absolute cheapest forms of entertainment possible? P2P in MMO games is basically free. Anything less than that amount and you get crap. I don't know why people complain about a the tiny cost of P2P MMO games while they spend 80 bucks a month to text people on their phones.
F2P players want great games that cost them nothing. I have an idea, why don't one of you send me 50 million dollars, I'll make a great MMO and make it free for everyone else to play. The point is simple, someone has to pay for the game to be made and if you want it to be good that amount will be pretty steep. You get what you pay for.
The idea that F2P is a solution for the masses is so wonderful and so wrong.
These MMO companies do not sit there and think, "how can we help out poor people' they are not charities. The OP is making F2P sound like a humanitarian project for the third world. F2P MMO’s are run by businesses that want to see a profit and that profit comes from the players. Some players, at least for a while pay nothing, but most are soon sucked in to making an occasional purchase. Which later becomes a regular purchase.
The F2P model is designed to tempt you in with a free lunch, what you don’t realise is the bill will be coming soon enough.