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Im not getting the hype...
AndyPreston
Member Posts: 63
Ive been looking at this game, trying to decide for myself whether its worth looking into and if it has the legs to last. But Im not getting it. Ive read every part of the facts explaining what will be in the game, and it really seems to me like they have struck well short and wide of what this game should have been. My views are as someone who is not a die hard fan, quit likes the genre and the movies. So please no flaming from Trekky fan bois who would defend a paper bag if it had Star Trek written on the front of it.
The videos of the ships flying and in combat look more akin to arial dog fights in planes. Hard to explain as Im sure people will reply with "well what do you expect?", but it just doesnt look real. Ships will tend to fly at a level horizon and just do circles around each other.. Cryptic even said thats what they want to happen. Source: "You can move around and fight in three dimensions, but often players will just naturally choose to keep fairly "level" during combat. [CCMG]
The economy looks sketchy at best with the line of "well they didnt have money sooooo".
You can name your ship anything you want. Oh my god what a bad idea. In SWG you had naming policies, everyone had a sensible name that fit the genre. No one complained about it, it worked great. People will have stupid names like the USS KillZ0r! and PWNmobile etc etc. Immersion? None.
You loose nothing if you die. Okay, so people dont like losing things. But really, whats the point. End result will be everybody in pretty much the same or similar ships with the same or similar fittings. i.e. "This fit wins all, therefore if you don't use it you won win".
Ship interiors are not visible other than possibly in missions. So the immersion goes as far as a permanent external view of your ship..
I could go on with bits and bats, but generally speaking I really am struggling to latch onto something that makes me think "wow, cant wait to get stuck into that!". Seems the only people that will enjoy it regardless are the die hard fans who would play it even if it was made with black and white line drawings.
My personal predictions for how I see this game unfolding; Its going to be Pirates of the Burning Sea in space. That game had similar ideas. People in highest tear ships flying around for top spot. Fun for a month, boring for anything longer than that. Outside of PvP you'll have the Trekkies who will be writing down their own personal star logs in a diary, pretending something interesting is happening and that they are living the dream...
So please, someone who is more in the know, explain to me what on earth is happening in the game that will keep people interested long term.
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All I can really add is that at one point I was really interested and looking forward to the game. I really wanted to fly a customized starship in the star trek world. I am however not interested in this game at all anymore due to the way it has been made. Everything just seems to have turned into a single player game with some multiplayer support. It seems to have lost all signs of the universe that could have been possible. I also would have liked the option to stay on the ship and stick with more space combat and exploration rather than all the away missions. Just not the game for me anymore.
Honestly I think you're overthinking it a bit much.
There's a lot of hype (perhaps too much), but there's certainly no end of people who want to bash the game without having even tried it either (seems to go hand in hand with star trek, wouldn't be that we have a higher ratio of angry nerds would it? XD ) . But I think we also need to realize that everyone thinks something different about the way star trek "should be".
Everything I've heard has said that the ship combat is most analogous to "tall ship" (ie pirate ship) style combat, or naval vessels, rather than fighter planes. As far as the 3 dimenions, I have seen videos where ships are over top of eachother and going at different attack angles, not just always level. Plus presumably just by the nature of geometry, if I want to get away from you I'm probably going to want to dive/ascend as well, rather than just go in a straight line.
Honestly I think my best advice would be to try the game for yourself. Don't depend on what other people say about it, judge for yourself based on how fun you find the game. If you like it, or don't like it, who cares what other people think?
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Hype? Which "hype"?
The relatively modest promotional stuff Cryptic/Atari is putting out, or the excessive trolling/nerdrage on this site?
If you're a fan of the IP, then you're going to buy the box and try the game. If you're NOT a fan of the IP, you're probably STILL going to buy the box and try the game because, hey, it's Star Trek, and it's an MMO. Even if you don't give a white rat's ass in a snowstorm about the IP, there's probably still a good chance you're going to buy the box and try the game because, hey, it's an MMO, and it's new.
The question of whether or not it'll do well in initial sales is a moot one. Of course it will do well. The question that everybody seems to be getting choked up about is, "Will it be fun?"
Fun is a pretty subjective thing. It sounds like the game won't be any fun for you. Me? I'm willing to give it a try before I make any final pronouncements on how I feel about the game. And I'm certainly not going to waste anyone's time by trying to predict how successful the game will be in the long term.
That will depend on how much fun it is to play.
I think the gaming community is tired of accepting half-baked rushed out the door games. We aren't gonna take it anymore. There needs to be a higher standard.
The ONLY way to vote is with your money.
Only those that buy every release are sick of "half-baked" releases.
I 'm looking forward to it. Most games in the genre are fantasy so its nice to have sci-fi title coming out. I'll pick it up when it comes out. If it provides me a month or two entertainment, i'll consider it money well spent.
That, right there.
I just bought Mass Effect and it's definitely one of the greatest games I've ever played. And it entertained me for about 8 days.
MMOs usually cost exactly the same as single-player games and usually have a whole lot more content. Usually well-worth the buck even if you only get that initial month out of them. If it sucks long-term? Don't sub - easiest vote ever.
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The space parts look cool, if only the ground combat was more similar to Tabula Rasa, ala, fun. I have no money left over, other than a $100 EB gift certificate. Hm, STO Collectors, BioShock 2 or Mass Effect 2 Collectors? I cannot decide!
To the OP, you expressed your opinion. Thanks for sharing but I don't think it will have any major effect on others. At this point most of us are either still interested or not. We've had previews, descriptions from devs, and screenshots. I'm sure at this point we all have a good general idea of how this game is going to be. Until there's open beta we won't get the general player opionon but pretty much it's either your interested or not now. Trying to convince others others at this stage is mostly just wasting energy. So lets all save that energy for the great Pirates VS Ninjas debate.
GO NINJAS!
Only those that buy every release are sick of "half-baked" releases.
QFT. Maybe that's where the extreme pessimism is coming from. Every game they have bought has been a let down for them so now any game coming out is going to be bad unless it adheres strictly to what they percieve as a good game.I myself don't buy every game that comes down the pipe. The only MMOs I have paid for are SWG,Warhammer, and World of Warcraft. The only games I am interested in that are soon to come out are this one and TOR. I'm giving this one first crack since I've already done a Star Wars MMO (which was quite an experience) and Star Trek was always my favorite.If it doesn't work out then there's always TOR.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
STO has hype surrounding it?
Playing - Champions Online
Unsure Of - Darkfall, Star Trek Online
Waiting For - Star Wars: The Old Republic, All Points Bulletin
Played - Age Of Conan, Everquest II, Mabinogi, Tabula Rasa, Star Wars Galaxies, World Of Warcraft
Yeah, we expect silly things such as 2 complete factions, rather than 1.5, proper balancing, not rushing a game so all the features can be properly tuned and refined, and proper non-combat options in a Star Trek game. Some proper end-game content would be nice, but it doesn't look like STO has it anymore than CO did. Yeah, expecting things like "quality", "finished features", and a bit of "polish" pretty much makes me a crazy person.
Oh, and btw, I've only ever bought City of Heroes, Final Fantasy XI, and World of Warcraft (played some free trials and tried, but paid no money into, some F2P games). CoH was disappointing (got it at release and it was very repetitive gameplay), World of Warcraft I played at release for 9 months and again a for a year and a half a little while ago (both times I got bored with the combat, because even as the tank I often did the same thing over and over...tactically stale), and Final Fantasy I played for about a year (time required to find a group and inability to do much on your own killed that game for me). That said, I enjoyed WoW and FFXI quite a bit over all, so maybe you guys shouldn't try guessing at the thoughts and motivations of other people when you are dead wrong.
What hype?
I'd like to know the answer to that question as well.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
I'd like to know the answer to that question as well.
You two really think the game has ZERO hype?
I'd like to know the answer to that question as well.
You two really think the game has ZERO hype?
Do you really think that being plastered on a few dozen web sites is going to equal a ton of hype? Personally I dont consider the game as being very hyped at all. When you start seeing commercials for it on tv, then we can start talking some good quality hype going on.
I'd like to know the answer to that question as well.
You two really think the game has ZERO hype?
Do you really think that being plastered on a few dozen web sites is going to equal a ton of hype? Personally I dont consider the game as being very hyped at all. When you start seeing commercials for it on tv, then we can start talking some good quality hype going on.
It has a decent amount of hype for a typical MMO, imho, and the videos Cryptic releases as well as their interviews also have quite a bit of hype in them. Then there are a number of gamers who seem to think the game is going to be AWESOME (on here, elsewhere, and in real life), and that also adds hype. So, I think it is perfectly fine for someone to say they don't get the hype, since there IS hype.
Yeah, we expect silly things such as 2 complete factions, rather than 1.5, proper balancing, not rushing a game so all the features can be properly tuned and refined, and proper non-combat options in a Star Trek game. Some proper end-game content would be nice, but it doesn't look like STO has it anymore than CO did. Yeah, expecting things like "quality", "finished features", and a bit of "polish" pretty much makes me a crazy person.
Oh, and btw, I've only ever bought City of Heroes, Final Fantasy XI, and World of Warcraft (played some free trials and tried, but paid no money into, some F2P games). CoH was disappointing (got it at release and it was very repetitive gameplay), World of Warcraft I played at release for 9 months and again a for a year and a half a little while ago (both times I got bored with the combat, because even as the tank I often did the same thing over and over...tactically stale), and Final Fantasy I played for about a year (time required to find a group and inability to do much on your own killed that game for me). That said, I enjoyed WoW and FFXI quite a bit over all, so maybe you guys shouldn't try guessing at the thoughts and motivations of other people when you are dead wrong.
So why stop there? Why not expect 3 complete factions, an entirely new combat system thats going to put every mmo to shame, top of the line graphics that will run smooth on an 8088 computer and oh, and lets not forget end game content. We want that to be full of 1,000,000 people fleet battles with rewards of Borg cubes of our own to fly.
That doesn't sound like to much to ask does it? Look, Im not knocking people wanting klingons to be as complete as the federations are. Im not knocking those that want romulans as a playable race also. What I am knocking is the continual bitching about things that can not be changed at this exact moment because the game is going to release no matter what your feelings is. If you want a complete 2nd and even a complete 3rd faction, or you want your polish and quality, simply wait a few months after it releases and you might be MUCH happier. Other folks want full interiors of the entire ships, others want group manned stations, others want to be a bartender or a miner or a rogue pirate that wants to try and defeat federation and klingon starships at their leisure. All these things can not be in the game at launch.
They are releasing weather you want them to or not. Thats not going to change. What you can do is simply not give them any money till you feel the game is closer to what you want to play. Maybe they do still have a bunch of polishing to do, maybe they still have more content to add and maybe the quality of the game isn't where you would like it to be. But I commend cryptic for one thing that many many other companies fail to do. They are making their release date. They set a goal and its coming out. We have seen many games in the past miss their goals, and wait 3 months, 6 months, 1 year or even more and still release a game that was extremely bad. From what I have read, there are a lot of minor things that people are complaining about. Im not going into debate on some things that people may consider more major because they are highly subjective to each person. If you step back off your soap box and look what they have accomplished in there for just a couple years of development, It looks pretty amazing to me. But whatever, complainers are going to complain no matter what and nothing we say is going to change that.
I'd like to know the answer to that question as well.
You two really think the game has ZERO hype?
Do you really think that being plastered on a few dozen web sites is going to equal a ton of hype? Personally I dont consider the game as being very hyped at all. When you start seeing commercials for it on tv, then we can start talking some good quality hype going on.
It has a decent amount of hype for a typical MMO, imho, and the videos Cryptic releases as well as their interviews also have quite a bit of hype in them. Then there are a number of gamers who seem to think the game is going to be AWESOME (on here, elsewhere, and in real life), and that also adds hype. So, I think it is perfectly fine for someone to say they don't get the hype, since there IS hype.
As they say, any press is good press, I guess. But I still have friends who are gamers that didn't even know this game was in development till I mentioned it to them. Many gamers get locked into their game of choice and unless there is news about the game they are playing, they tend to ignore most of the other stuff out there. So, in that case, I really don't think there has been much hype. When you start seeing the tv commercials for this game, then you can say that the hype level is really up there. The internet is a wonderful thing but it still can't come close to having commercials on tv for your product.
I'd like to know the answer to that question as well.
You two really think the game has ZERO hype?
Do you really think that being plastered on a few dozen web sites is going to equal a ton of hype? Personally I dont consider the game as being very hyped at all. When you start seeing commercials for it on tv, then we can start talking some good quality hype going on.
It has a decent amount of hype for a typical MMO, imho, and the videos Cryptic releases as well as their interviews also have quite a bit of hype in them. Then there are a number of gamers who seem to think the game is going to be AWESOME (on here, elsewhere, and in real life), and that also adds hype. So, I think it is perfectly fine for someone to say they don't get the hype, since there IS hype.
As they say, any press is good press, I guess. But I still have friends who are gamers that didn't even know this game was in development till I mentioned it to them. Many gamers get locked into their game of choice and unless there is news about the game they are playing, they tend to ignore most of the other stuff out there. So, in that case, I really don't think there has been much hype. When you start seeing the tv commercials for this game, then you can say that the hype level is really up there. The internet is a wonderful thing but it still can't come close to having commercials on tv for your product.
From what I read though, the OP wasn't saying the hype level was insane compared to possible hype, but rather compared to the quality level of the game. Anyhow, I think having to have commercials for the hype to be "really up there" is rather silly. Even commercials have hype levels, and one commercial might have little hype and another a whole bunch. If you have a pain reliever that says "it will destroy all pain you will ever feel for the rest of your life!!!!!" verses another that says it will "reduce pain for 4 hours" then even if those are both in commercials one of them clearly has a lot more hype than the other. Hype is not really about medium, but more about content. Hype on TV can make the hype better known and more widespread, but, imho, doesn't do a lot to increase the level of hype, just the spread of it.
I'd like to know the answer to that question as well.
You two really think the game has ZERO hype?
Do you really think that being plastered on a few dozen web sites is going to equal a ton of hype? Personally I dont consider the game as being very hyped at all. When you start seeing commercials for it on tv, then we can start talking some good quality hype going on.
It has a decent amount of hype for a typical MMO, imho, and the videos Cryptic releases as well as their interviews also have quite a bit of hype in them. Then there are a number of gamers who seem to think the game is going to be AWESOME (on here, elsewhere, and in real life), and that also adds hype. So, I think it is perfectly fine for someone to say they don't get the hype, since there IS hype.
As they say, any press is good press, I guess. But I still have friends who are gamers that didn't even know this game was in development till I mentioned it to them. Many gamers get locked into their game of choice and unless there is news about the game they are playing, they tend to ignore most of the other stuff out there. So, in that case, I really don't think there has been much hype. When you start seeing the tv commercials for this game, then you can say that the hype level is really up there. The internet is a wonderful thing but it still can't come close to having commercials on tv for your product.
From what I read though, the OP wasn't saying the hype level was insane compared to possible hype, but rather compared to the quality level of the game. Anyhow, I think having to have commercials for the hype to be "really up there" is rather silly. Even commercials have hype levels, and one commercial might have little hype and another a whole bunch. If you have a pain reliever that says "it will destroy all pain you will ever feel for the rest of your life!!!!!" verses another that says it will "reduce pain for 4 hours" then even if those are both in commercials one of them clearly has a lot more hype than the other. Hype is not really about medium, but more about content. Hype on TV can make the hype better known and more widespread, but, imho, doesn't do a lot to increase the level of hype, just the spread of it.
Perhaps, but we are talking about a video game. ANY tv commercial spots for that game is going to reach, in my opinion, a MUCH broader and larger audience than it would on a couple dozen video gaming websites. Internet buzz is much different than a well promoted video game. And I think that is actually part of the problem with all the games coming out nowadays. With the exception of WoW, you rarely see any other mmo's advertising. Personally, I think thats why wow is able to keep its numbers up vs other companies. Its definitely not because the gaming quality is soooo much better than everyone elses.
The only way to know =
take the fucking risk , subscribe for a month ... lose or win 15$
for me theres no excuse for bugs , unbalance or whatsorever non palyability in a mmo these days
They dont deliver they fail ... as simple as that
Klingons > gnomes
Generation P
Then sadly you will never play an MMO again because all of them will have that in some form.