Originally posted by Harafnir ... I agree that Darkfall should be out. 5 fan bois not a right make.
I very respectfully disagree. If you want to know what the top PvP MMORPGs of all time are, you should look at the games the top PvP guilds flock to for serious competition. As someone who has played PvP MMOs and on PvP servers since the genre started, there are certain games that these guilds hold in high regards.
Ultima Online, Shadowbane, Dark Age of Camelot, Asheron's Call (Darktide), EVE Online, possibly Guild Wars or Lineage 2, and Darkfall.
I have played with and against some of the most prolific PvP guilds in the MMO genre, and believe me when I say Darkfall is a game where many of them have a presence for the last year. Whether you like the game or thinks its a piece of crap, doesn't matter. Whether the game has 11 million subscribers or 30,000 doesn't matter. The list shouldn't be based on sub numbers because PvP and hardcore PvP is a very niche part of the genre. Follow these guilds and you'll find the best PvP MMOs, and right now Darkfall is one of them. No game requires more situational awareness and personal skill at the controls in the genre than this one does, despite whatever other flaws there may be.
That's a damn good point backed by some pretty solid reasoning. I think you hit the nail on the head, Paragus, when it comes to 'hardcore PvP' however the OP's list is PvP as a whole. In that light, it's really hard to come up with a Top 5 since WOW is probably number 1 at battlegrounds, DAOC is probably number 1 at realm vs realm, UO probably number 1 for solo and small group PvP, etc etc... Darkfall, EVE, WAR, Shadowbane... each one is a contender for number 1 in their particular type of PvP.
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Originally posted by Harafnir DaoC is a given, as its realm fighting is some of the most fun things in existance that has never been copied.
Forgot to say I agree with this so soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much.
Why when so many people agree the 3way war in DaoC was great has no one else done it?
Completely unrelated why when so many of us loved the original setup in SWG has no one else ever done something like that again?
Game companies are too busy watching each other and not innovating. Reminds me of our big three car companies here who completely lost touch with the consumer because they were too busy watching each other and worrying over and copying each other.
Can't believe nobody mentioned Age of Conan. It has the best pvp combat out there, bar none. In my humble opinion, WAR and WOW shouldn't even be mentioned up there
I agree the combat is good, but beyond that AoC's PvP was pretty lame when I played it. There's no real reason to do it beyond item rewards. Sort of like WoW. And WAR.
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Can't believe nobody mentioned Age of Conan. It has the best pvp combat out there, bar none. In my humble opinion, WAR and WOW shouldn't even be mentioned up there
AoC's combat was done better in Aion. Pace is just as fast, the "combos" are present but flying has been added and the whole PvPvE aspect as well. Combine this with the fact that there is no PvE server you end up with Aion > AoC in regards to PvP.
What little AoC did good Aion did better, then went further. AoC's biggest failing in regards to PvP was there was just no point in it. Aion also addressed this issue somewhat.
I cant belive Lineage 2 is not on that list. The game is one of the few that was built around PVP and has real PVP that affects everything that happens in the game.
I cant belive Lineage 2 is not on that list. The game is one of the few that was built around PVP and has real PVP that affects everything that happens in the game.
As I said earlier there were a slew of games that were more approriate for a top 5 PvP MMO list lol. L2 is another example. It had partial looting of players as well didn't it?
WoW? hahaha, as if ... And i'm suprised GW isn't on the list, it has the most extensive PvP system i've came across
GW would have been another excellent choice for a Top 5 list.
No worries, Guild Wars 2 will have great pvp and will probably be only 2nd to Eve in that category.
Meh personally I am expecting GW2 to be a bit shallow PvP wise in comparison to GW. It sounds like it will be a much better PvE game though. Nothing wrong with that, it really seems hard now days for devs to do a MMO that does both PvE and PvP very well. One or the other seems to always be the focus. I am hoping GW2 surprises me though.
This list is a sham with out Planetside. It is the only true PvPMMO out, the rest are just "Who has more numbers".
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Can't believe nobody mentioned Age of Conan. It has the best pvp combat out there, bar none. In my humble opinion, WAR and WOW shouldn't even be mentioned up there
AoC's combat was done better in Aion. Pace is just as fast, the "combos" are present but flying has been added and the whole PvPvE aspect as well. Combine this with the fact that there is no PvE server you end up with Aion > AoC in regards to PvP.
What little AoC did good Aion did better, then went further. AoC's biggest failing in regards to PvP was there was just no point in it. Aion also addressed this issue somewhat.
I completely disagree, at least in regards to the combat. I much prefer AoC's combat to Aion.
For the best PvP game? To me it's without question Guild Wars. However, I did enjoy Warhammer's pvp as well.
Edit: forgot to mention Planetside as well, very well done pvp there as well
Originally posted by Ruyn Edit: The title should read, The Top 5 MMO's with Meaningless PvP, or Top 5 MMO's with Arena PvP.
I have a question for you, did you bring enough of that DF Koolaid for everyone? You know I cannot comment on the PvP much in others games cause of this very quote, it was meaningless it seemed. EvE however being called Arena or Meaningless in it's PvP shows either a moron or someone that has never played EvE.
The PvP in Eve can go so far as to effect noob players at time in it's outcome. The entire game is PvP not just the combat but the economics as well.
Sorry, I was referring specifically about War and WoW. Arena PvP games need to go in another category.
WoW is on this list, but Darkfall isn't? I don't think any serious MMO PvP player is going to take this seriously. WoW is like the laughing stock of the PvP community. Hell Warhammer is practically on life support and has more crowd control that any other game. I'd rather see Lineage 2 or maybe even Aion over WAR.
I genuinely believe that WOW was included for shock value. Things have been relatively quiet on this site over the last couple of days. At least that's what I've noticed. This thread will surely increase the traffic around here.
If Darkfall can't be included in a "top five pvp mmo" contest on a site dedicated to mmos, then how seriously do you think this site will be taken? Maybe they have a beef with AV?
No skin off my ass though, in the end it's the credibility of the website that is damaged.
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Can't believe nobody mentioned Age of Conan. It has the best pvp combat out there, bar none. In my humble opinion, WAR and WOW shouldn't even be mentioned up there
AoC's combat was done better in Aion. Pace is just as fast, the "combos" are present but flying has been added and the whole PvPvE aspect as well. Combine this with the fact that there is no PvE server you end up with Aion > AoC in regards to PvP.
What little AoC did good Aion did better, then went further. AoC's biggest failing in regards to PvP was there was just no point in it. Aion also addressed this issue somewhat.
I completely disagree, at least in regards to the combat. I much prefer AoC's combat to Aion.
For the best PvP game? To me it's without question Guild Wars. However, I did enjoy Warhammer's pvp as well.
Edit: forgot to mention Planetside as well, very well done pvp there as well
There essentially the same combat system lol. AoC's is more like the rough draft and Aions is more like the final draft.
AoC to do a combo, you initiate the combo then hit the arrow sequence needed to complete the combo. Aion's chain system is essentially the same but instead of hitting arrows your choosing the next part of the combo. It's also a bit more fleshed out as even casters in Aion have chains where as only non casters in AoC have combo's.
Aions system allows for more on the fly customization. Do I use the dmg skill next in the chain or would it be better to use the stun? Should I slow them or debuff there defense?
A chain in Aion allows for a lot of versatility in how you use it. Age of Conan's combo system is a pretty linear thing. You have a stun move all it will do is stun.
To me Age of Conans is just to simplistic and results in the usual shot rotation style of play anyways. While it was innovative, it had a lot of room for improvement. Aion really has fleshed the idea out and improved on it turning it into something that results in a lot more than a rotation.
I mean seriously... Age of Conans combo system is basically DDR for your hands lol.
Can't believe nobody mentioned Age of Conan. It has the best pvp combat out there, bar none. In my humble opinion, WAR and WOW shouldn't even be mentioned up there
AoC's combat was done better in Aion. Pace is just as fast, the "combos" are present but flying has been added and the whole PvPvE aspect as well. Combine this with the fact that there is no PvE server you end up with Aion > AoC in regards to PvP.
What little AoC did good Aion did better, then went further. AoC's biggest failing in regards to PvP was there was just no point in it. Aion also addressed this issue somewhat.
I completely disagree, at least in regards to the combat. I much prefer AoC's combat to Aion.
For the best PvP game? To me it's without question Guild Wars. However, I did enjoy Warhammer's pvp as well.
Edit: forgot to mention Planetside as well, very well done pvp there as well
There essentially the same combat system lol. AoC's is more like the rough draft and Aions is more like the final draft.
AoC to do a combo, you initiate the combo then hit the arrow sequence needed to complete the combo. Aion's chain system is essentially the same but instead of hitting arrows your choosing the next part of the combo. It's also a bit more fleshed out as even casters in Aion have chains where as only non casters in AoC have combo's.
Aions system allows for more on the fly customization. Do I use the dmg skill next in the chain or would it be better to use the stun? Should I slow them or debuff there defense?
A chain in Aion allows for a lot of versatility in how you use it. Age of Conan's combo system is a pretty linear thing. You have a stun move all it will do is stun.
To me Age of Conans is just to simplistic and results in the usual shot rotation style of play anyways. While it was innovative, it had a lot of room for improvement. Aion really has fleshed the idea out and improved on it turning it into something that results in a lot more than a rotation.
I mean seriously... Age of Conans combo system is basically DDR for your hands lol.
The combos are no way near similar. You weren't bothered by the animation root in Aion? It was a killer for me. Yes I adapted to it but I hated it. AoC's combat is a lot faster paced, I enjoy that. Aion felt like drudgery.
For those of you who laugh at wow being on the list, have you actually played the game within the first 2 years of its release? Yes i admit the pvp now in WoW is a complete joke. However back in the old days before the AQ patch even. I absolutely LOVED AV. i still remember 8 hour long battles in AV where neither side could see victory, just back and forth of pure slaughter. In my opinion, blizzard should make another server to just allow old gameplay and none of the new crap they put in the game.
Can't believe nobody mentioned Age of Conan. It has the best pvp combat out there, bar none. In my humble opinion, WAR and WOW shouldn't even be mentioned up there
AoC's combat was done better in Aion. Pace is just as fast, the "combos" are present but flying has been added and the whole PvPvE aspect as well. Combine this with the fact that there is no PvE server you end up with Aion > AoC in regards to PvP.
What little AoC did good Aion did better, then went further. AoC's biggest failing in regards to PvP was there was just no point in it. Aion also addressed this issue somewhat.
I completely disagree, at least in regards to the combat. I much prefer AoC's combat to Aion.
For the best PvP game? To me it's without question Guild Wars. However, I did enjoy Warhammer's pvp as well.
Edit: forgot to mention Planetside as well, very well done pvp there as well
There essentially the same combat system lol. AoC's is more like the rough draft and Aions is more like the final draft.
AoC to do a combo, you initiate the combo then hit the arrow sequence needed to complete the combo. Aion's chain system is essentially the same but instead of hitting arrows your choosing the next part of the combo. It's also a bit more fleshed out as even casters in Aion have chains where as only non casters in AoC have combo's.
Aions system allows for more on the fly customization. Do I use the dmg skill next in the chain or would it be better to use the stun? Should I slow them or debuff there defense?
A chain in Aion allows for a lot of versatility in how you use it. Age of Conan's combo system is a pretty linear thing. You have a stun move all it will do is stun.
To me Age of Conans is just to simplistic and results in the usual shot rotation style of play anyways. While it was innovative, it had a lot of room for improvement. Aion really has fleshed the idea out and improved on it turning it into something that results in a lot more than a rotation.
I mean seriously... Age of Conans combo system is basically DDR for your hands lol.
The combos are no way near similar. You weren't bothered by the animation root in Aion? It was a killer for me. Yes I adapted to it but I hated it. AoC's combat is a lot faster paced, I enjoy that. Aion felt like drudgery.
You mean like how casters are rooted while casting in Age of Conan? Nah doesn't bother me as it isn't on every skill only those that have long animations and thats generally only noticeable with the slow 2 handed weapons. Combat in general is a lot faster paced in Aion because while your waiting on your combo to come off of cooldown I can be doing a second chain with the same starter. In AoC I ran into a lot of situation where I would have to manage my cooldowns carefully or end up relying on auto attack until ones ready. The same isn't true in Aion for very long. You can pretty much sit there and fire off ability after ability the whole fight without having to wait on cooldowns. So it looks like we will simply have to agree to disagree. You find Aion slow in comparison, I find AoC slow in comparison.
What you guys have to realize is this is a subjective list, not a factual list.
This is the top 5 games that this columnist had the best experiences in or respected the most. If you think that Darkfall or Planetside should be the end all be all PVP game there ever is and get that recognition, then make your own website and put that opinion on it.
Don't complain about other people's opinions, because it's useless. It's like arguing whether a cloud looks like a rabbit or a train, it just depends on how you look at it.
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Might aswell have Tabula Rasa at number one since everyones going to have there own opinion and say its wrong anyway...
I very respectfully disagree. If you want to know what the top PvP MMORPGs of all time are, you should look at the games the top PvP guilds flock to for serious competition. As someone who has played PvP MMOs and on PvP servers since the genre started, there are certain games that these guilds hold in high regards.
Ultima Online, Shadowbane, Dark Age of Camelot, Asheron's Call (Darktide), EVE Online, possibly Guild Wars or Lineage 2, and Darkfall.
I have played with and against some of the most prolific PvP guilds in the MMO genre, and believe me when I say Darkfall is a game where many of them have a presence for the last year. Whether you like the game or thinks its a piece of crap, doesn't matter. Whether the game has 11 million subscribers or 30,000 doesn't matter. The list shouldn't be based on sub numbers because PvP and hardcore PvP is a very niche part of the genre. Follow these guilds and you'll find the best PvP MMOs, and right now Darkfall is one of them. No game requires more situational awareness and personal skill at the controls in the genre than this one does, despite whatever other flaws there may be.
That's a damn good point backed by some pretty solid reasoning. I think you hit the nail on the head, Paragus, when it comes to 'hardcore PvP' however the OP's list is PvP as a whole. In that light, it's really hard to come up with a Top 5 since WOW is probably number 1 at battlegrounds, DAOC is probably number 1 at realm vs realm, UO probably number 1 for solo and small group PvP, etc etc... Darkfall, EVE, WAR, Shadowbane... each one is a contender for number 1 in their particular type of PvP.
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Forgot to say I agree with this so soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much.
Why when so many people agree the 3way war in DaoC was great has no one else done it?
Completely unrelated why when so many of us loved the original setup in SWG has no one else ever done something like that again?
Game companies are too busy watching each other and not innovating. Reminds me of our big three car companies here who completely lost touch with the consumer because they were too busy watching each other and worrying over and copying each other.
My list =p
1. Dark Age of Camelot
2. Eve
3. Planetside
4. Ultima Online
5. Star Wars Galaxies
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Can't believe nobody mentioned Age of Conan. It has the best pvp combat out there, bar none.
In my humble opinion, WAR and WOW shouldn't even be mentioned up there
I agree the combat is good, but beyond that AoC's PvP was pretty lame when I played it. There's no real reason to do it beyond item rewards. Sort of like WoW. And WAR.
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How can Darkfall not have made the list? Even massively.com rated it as the best PvP of 2009, nevermind top 5
AoC's combat was done better in Aion. Pace is just as fast, the "combos" are present but flying has been added and the whole PvPvE aspect as well. Combine this with the fact that there is no PvE server you end up with Aion > AoC in regards to PvP.
What little AoC did good Aion did better, then went further. AoC's biggest failing in regards to PvP was there was just no point in it. Aion also addressed this issue somewhat.
WoW? hahaha, as if ...
And i'm suprised GW isn't on the list, it has the most extensive PvP system i've came across
GW would have been another excellent choice for a Top 5 list.
I cant belive Lineage 2 is not on that list. The game is one of the few that was built around PVP and has real PVP that affects everything that happens in the game.
As I said earlier there were a slew of games that were more approriate for a top 5 PvP MMO list lol. L2 is another example. It had partial looting of players as well didn't it?
GW would have been another excellent choice for a Top 5 list.
No worries, Guild Wars 2 will have great pvp and will probably be only 2nd to Eve in that category.
GW would have been another excellent choice for a Top 5 list.
No worries, Guild Wars 2 will have great pvp and will probably be only 2nd to Eve in that category.
Meh personally I am expecting GW2 to be a bit shallow PvP wise in comparison to GW. It sounds like it will be a much better PvE game though. Nothing wrong with that, it really seems hard now days for devs to do a MMO that does both PvE and PvP very well. One or the other seems to always be the focus. I am hoping GW2 surprises me though.
Warhammer had terrible PvP, the balances were crap, the bgs past tier 1 were terrible, open world pvp was weak. Truly shouldn't be on the list at all.
UO and DAoC were good choices, I think all my best pvp memories come from those two games.
This list is a sham with out Planetside. It is the only true PvPMMO out, the rest are just "Who has more numbers".
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AoC's combat was done better in Aion. Pace is just as fast, the "combos" are present but flying has been added and the whole PvPvE aspect as well. Combine this with the fact that there is no PvE server you end up with Aion > AoC in regards to PvP.
What little AoC did good Aion did better, then went further. AoC's biggest failing in regards to PvP was there was just no point in it. Aion also addressed this issue somewhat.
I completely disagree, at least in regards to the combat. I much prefer AoC's combat to Aion.
For the best PvP game? To me it's without question Guild Wars. However, I did enjoy Warhammer's pvp as well.
Edit: forgot to mention Planetside as well, very well done pvp there as well
I have a question for you, did you bring enough of that DF Koolaid for everyone? You know I cannot comment on the PvP much in others games cause of this very quote, it was meaningless it seemed. EvE however being called Arena or Meaningless in it's PvP shows either a moron or someone that has never played EvE.
The PvP in Eve can go so far as to effect noob players at time in it's outcome. The entire game is PvP not just the combat but the economics as well.
Sorry, I was referring specifically about War and WoW. Arena PvP games need to go in another category.
Darkfall is the fantasy Ying to EvE's space yang.
I genuinely believe that WOW was included for shock value. Things have been relatively quiet on this site over the last couple of days. At least that's what I've noticed. This thread will surely increase the traffic around here.
If Darkfall can't be included in a "top five pvp mmo" contest on a site dedicated to mmos, then how seriously do you think this site will be taken? Maybe they have a beef with AV?
No skin off my ass though, in the end it's the credibility of the website that is damaged.
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AoC's combat was done better in Aion. Pace is just as fast, the "combos" are present but flying has been added and the whole PvPvE aspect as well. Combine this with the fact that there is no PvE server you end up with Aion > AoC in regards to PvP.
What little AoC did good Aion did better, then went further. AoC's biggest failing in regards to PvP was there was just no point in it. Aion also addressed this issue somewhat.
I completely disagree, at least in regards to the combat. I much prefer AoC's combat to Aion.
For the best PvP game? To me it's without question Guild Wars. However, I did enjoy Warhammer's pvp as well.
Edit: forgot to mention Planetside as well, very well done pvp there as well
There essentially the same combat system lol. AoC's is more like the rough draft and Aions is more like the final draft.
AoC to do a combo, you initiate the combo then hit the arrow sequence needed to complete the combo. Aion's chain system is essentially the same but instead of hitting arrows your choosing the next part of the combo. It's also a bit more fleshed out as even casters in Aion have chains where as only non casters in AoC have combo's.
Aions system allows for more on the fly customization. Do I use the dmg skill next in the chain or would it be better to use the stun? Should I slow them or debuff there defense?
A chain in Aion allows for a lot of versatility in how you use it. Age of Conan's combo system is a pretty linear thing. You have a stun move all it will do is stun.
To me Age of Conans is just to simplistic and results in the usual shot rotation style of play anyways. While it was innovative, it had a lot of room for improvement. Aion really has fleshed the idea out and improved on it turning it into something that results in a lot more than a rotation.
I mean seriously... Age of Conans combo system is basically DDR for your hands lol.
Where is Darkfall?
WOW is fifth? Lol
Fail
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AoC's combat was done better in Aion. Pace is just as fast, the "combos" are present but flying has been added and the whole PvPvE aspect as well. Combine this with the fact that there is no PvE server you end up with Aion > AoC in regards to PvP.
What little AoC did good Aion did better, then went further. AoC's biggest failing in regards to PvP was there was just no point in it. Aion also addressed this issue somewhat.
I completely disagree, at least in regards to the combat. I much prefer AoC's combat to Aion.
For the best PvP game? To me it's without question Guild Wars. However, I did enjoy Warhammer's pvp as well.
Edit: forgot to mention Planetside as well, very well done pvp there as well
There essentially the same combat system lol. AoC's is more like the rough draft and Aions is more like the final draft.
AoC to do a combo, you initiate the combo then hit the arrow sequence needed to complete the combo. Aion's chain system is essentially the same but instead of hitting arrows your choosing the next part of the combo. It's also a bit more fleshed out as even casters in Aion have chains where as only non casters in AoC have combo's.
Aions system allows for more on the fly customization. Do I use the dmg skill next in the chain or would it be better to use the stun? Should I slow them or debuff there defense?
A chain in Aion allows for a lot of versatility in how you use it. Age of Conan's combo system is a pretty linear thing. You have a stun move all it will do is stun.
To me Age of Conans is just to simplistic and results in the usual shot rotation style of play anyways. While it was innovative, it had a lot of room for improvement. Aion really has fleshed the idea out and improved on it turning it into something that results in a lot more than a rotation.
I mean seriously... Age of Conans combo system is basically DDR for your hands lol.
The combos are no way near similar. You weren't bothered by the animation root in Aion? It was a killer for me. Yes I adapted to it but I hated it. AoC's combat is a lot faster paced, I enjoy that. Aion felt like drudgery.
For those of you who laugh at wow being on the list, have you actually played the game within the first 2 years of its release? Yes i admit the pvp now in WoW is a complete joke. However back in the old days before the AQ patch even. I absolutely LOVED AV. i still remember 8 hour long battles in AV where neither side could see victory, just back and forth of pure slaughter. In my opinion, blizzard should make another server to just allow old gameplay and none of the new crap they put in the game.
AoC's combat was done better in Aion. Pace is just as fast, the "combos" are present but flying has been added and the whole PvPvE aspect as well. Combine this with the fact that there is no PvE server you end up with Aion > AoC in regards to PvP.
What little AoC did good Aion did better, then went further. AoC's biggest failing in regards to PvP was there was just no point in it. Aion also addressed this issue somewhat.
I completely disagree, at least in regards to the combat. I much prefer AoC's combat to Aion.
For the best PvP game? To me it's without question Guild Wars. However, I did enjoy Warhammer's pvp as well.
Edit: forgot to mention Planetside as well, very well done pvp there as well
There essentially the same combat system lol. AoC's is more like the rough draft and Aions is more like the final draft.
AoC to do a combo, you initiate the combo then hit the arrow sequence needed to complete the combo. Aion's chain system is essentially the same but instead of hitting arrows your choosing the next part of the combo. It's also a bit more fleshed out as even casters in Aion have chains where as only non casters in AoC have combo's.
Aions system allows for more on the fly customization. Do I use the dmg skill next in the chain or would it be better to use the stun? Should I slow them or debuff there defense?
A chain in Aion allows for a lot of versatility in how you use it. Age of Conan's combo system is a pretty linear thing. You have a stun move all it will do is stun.
To me Age of Conans is just to simplistic and results in the usual shot rotation style of play anyways. While it was innovative, it had a lot of room for improvement. Aion really has fleshed the idea out and improved on it turning it into something that results in a lot more than a rotation.
I mean seriously... Age of Conans combo system is basically DDR for your hands lol.
The combos are no way near similar. You weren't bothered by the animation root in Aion? It was a killer for me. Yes I adapted to it but I hated it. AoC's combat is a lot faster paced, I enjoy that. Aion felt like drudgery.
You mean like how casters are rooted while casting in Age of Conan? Nah doesn't bother me as it isn't on every skill only those that have long animations and thats generally only noticeable with the slow 2 handed weapons. Combat in general is a lot faster paced in Aion because while your waiting on your combo to come off of cooldown I can be doing a second chain with the same starter. In AoC I ran into a lot of situation where I would have to manage my cooldowns carefully or end up relying on auto attack until ones ready. The same isn't true in Aion for very long. You can pretty much sit there and fire off ability after ability the whole fight without having to wait on cooldowns. So it looks like we will simply have to agree to disagree. You find Aion slow in comparison, I find AoC slow in comparison.
What you guys have to realize is this is a subjective list, not a factual list.
This is the top 5 games that this columnist had the best experiences in or respected the most. If you think that Darkfall or Planetside should be the end all be all PVP game there ever is and get that recognition, then make your own website and put that opinion on it.
Don't complain about other people's opinions, because it's useless. It's like arguing whether a cloud looks like a rabbit or a train, it just depends on how you look at it.
Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.