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EVE online wins best community
pauldriver
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EVE wins best MMO community in this years ten ton hammer awards. Wholly deserved in my opinion.
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Ijust started the game almost a month ago and, I fully agree too. The other day I saw someone give someone else about 200 mil cuz of a mistake a member in his corp made that wasn't that big of a dead but, he did it anyway. That just goes to show how friendly people are in this game cuz the whole time I have played, that's how people have acted.
Ive been playing over a year and half now and Ive had a mostly good encounters and kind persons so I do believe that it deserves the award. The alliance im in is nothing short of outstanding community wise.
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haha, that is just as deserving as WoW is for "Game of the decade". Eves community is horrible and full of e-peens and sociopaths. Sure there are helpful people but in the cut-throat environment of Eve "nice guys" finish dead last.
Once I was in a corp that was selling T1 ships for higher than market price to their own members. Sure it was in 0.0 space but still, you want to make profit on your own damn members?? And this was coupled with a 35% tax rate...
And never in my 6 months gaming time has a stranger given me anything. Sure friends and corp mates have but never a stranger, which in many other MMORPGs they have.
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That's odd, because you're such a cheerful, friendly, positive person who never complains.
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You do realize it costs large amounts of isk to transport things via jump freighter or carrier or mothership to 0.0 space right? And holding 0.0 space has a high cost for corps and alliances. You should understand the game mechanics a bit more before giving up on your corp because they have to mark up ships for 0.0 space. Also it is possible to make large amounts of isk in 0.0 compared to just ratting or mining in empire so I am sure a person could afford the extra 35%.
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EvE's community is whatever you make of it, possibly much more so than most other MMOs.
People who can't handle any risk generally find the community rather inhospitable, which makes sense since the core real-life skill you need to succeed in EvE is risk management. People who absolutely must play solo will find themselves bored stiff or in way over their heads more often than not - PvE or PvP. People who understand whatever they have they can lose and people will try to piss their Cheerios can find groups of like-minded folks and really experience what the game has to offer.
As for nullsec, during my stint out in Omist I did hauling with a Jump Freighter. Doing a jump freighter run to Jita was a very hazardous all-day event with a 4.5B ISK ship and usually that much again in cargo on the line the entire way both ways. If you weren't willing to pay at least 25% over Jita prices I had no interest in hauling for you. Oddly enough most people had no problems paying exceptional large markups (100% + fuel costs) on small items but would complain constantly if I asked them pay 10M over Jita prices on a ship (about 10% for a HAC and barely covered the cost of hauling it out there). So I balanced my prices around that fact and everyone ended up reasonably satisified - sold ships at cost and the modules at 2-3x cost.
I'll have to agree, if you know how to properly approach it, the EVE community is actually pretty great.
Its true, if you come off as a smack talking arse, you'll find the same returned to you in spades.
But I've had several people who killed me turn around and give advice and even offer to help me out.
But note, its never good to approach the community asking for or expecting a handout, you will get your hand slapped. I never did, I turned down offers of assistance but I've certainly helped people out that I've never met.
Many a noob looking for an extra few million ISK to buy something got a surprise gift from me.
Now its true, i'm not handing out 100M ISK to strangers (don't laugh, people have asked) but I will provide advice and help to all reasonable requests.
So glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks the EVE community is a good one.
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The positives of the Eve community are the applications released for free to the benefit of all. EFT, EveMon, EveMEEP, ect. No other game I've played has such great 3rd party programs.
That being said, Eve has a high concentration of mentally disturbed sadists. I think that makes the game more fun and interesting, but I wouldn't necessarily call it a "good" community.
The only one here with an e-peen is you it seems Mr Troll.
I agre with the OP this community is pretty cool if you are mature about things.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
I've had that happen and didn't know what to make of it. Guy sent me a message afterwards to explain that it seemed like I was too far outside my optimal range of fire and that I would have done more DPS if I webbed and stayed closer. The thing was that he was right, which made me laugh but also a bit more pissed.
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I've had that happen and didn't know what to make of it. Guy sent me a message afterwards to explain that it seemed like I was too far outside my optimal range of fire and that I would have done more DPS if I webbed and stayed closer. The thing was that he was right, which made me laugh but also a bit more pissed.
i have actually had a corp that war dec't me give advice on how to avoid the situations they put us through. and a few months later a random corporation war dec't us and using the advice the original corp gave us we ended up victorious. We avoided many traps and baits. we avoided the grief tactics they used (jump out of a ship and enter with a neut so we get poped by concord)
also i have had people give me advice on how to fit my ship better after he poped me.
i have been given isk and ships that i didnt ask for, one of the alliance i was in, (my earlier days) gave me a brand new stealth bomber, when i told him that i was working on the skills to fly one and to be able to fit one properly .
it may also be that this game caters to an older audience. but i agree, EvE has one of the best communities that i have seen in many MMORPGs
I found that article to be extremely biased and poorly done.
The EVE community is based upon a mixture of PvP types and even the community itself will tell folks "this game is not for most..." As such, declaring the community as "the best" is very badly done for anyone looking to find a "good community" in the MMO genre.
The player base tends to be as callus and cruel as the game itself and only a veteran "thick skinned" MMO PvP player would find this to be a top-notch community to join. Within the PvP segment of the MMO offerings, it shows an interesting mix and, overall, I'd say it has many brilliant points to it but with all the options out there for the entire MMO genre?
Such an award is both misleading as well as poorly thought out. A game like LoTRO would be far more fitting for outsiders to step in and learn the ropes with vs a game as difficult to learn and cruel as EVE is.
I found that article to be extremely biased and poorly done.
The EVE community is based upon a mixture of PvP types and even the community itself will tell folks "this game is not for most..." As such, declaring the community as "the best" is very badly done for anyone looking to find a "good community" in the MMO genre.
The player base tends to be as callus and cruel as the game itself and only a veteran "thick skinned" MMO PvP player would find this to be a top-notch community to join. Within the PvP segment of the MMO offerings, it shows an interesting mix and, overall, I'd say it has many brilliant points to it but with all the options out there for the entire MMO genre?
Such an award is both misleading as well as poorly thought out. A game like LoTRO would be far more fitting for outsiders to step in and learn the ropes with vs a game as difficult to learn and cruel as EVE is.
you are mixing the gameplay/gamestyle with the community attitude. sure lotro is easier to learn, easier for an ousider to get in and start playing... but what does that have to do with the community? it just says hey im easy to understand and play. so easy that you dont need a community to play if you do not want to
i ask a simple question in general chat in World of Warcraft and i get an answer along the lines of "F*** off noob" or i get ignored. in EvE i ask a question and i get 3-4 answers and people trying to help. not necessarely giving stuff but giving hints, guiding in the right direction etc... i have yet to see a game (other than EvE) where your enemy will kill you then tell you what you did wrong and how you can improve.
You're missing the point though. This is not about the game, it's about the community.
Eve, through the benefit of the one server architecture, has a pretty huge coherent community. It has spawned many community driven "spinoffs", third party applications, real life events, the fanfest, videos..and all this with a comparably small subscription base.
While i do not agree with the tth award ( ould've given it to a different game than eve, to be honest. Probably ryzom), i can understand where they're coming from. Eve has spawned a community not as splintered as, let's say, the non existent guildwars community. This community has created an enormous biotope in which awesomeness can grow.
You're missing the point though. This is not about the game, it's about the community.
Eve, through the benefit of the one server architecture, has a pretty huge coherent community. It has spawned many community driven "spinoffs", third party applications, real life events, the fanfest, videos..and all this with a comparably small subscription base.
While i do not agree with the tth award ( ould've given it to a different game than eve, to be honest. Probably ryzom), i can understand where they're coming from. Eve has spawned a community not as splintered as, let's say, the non existent guildwars community. This community has created an enormous biotope in which awesomeness can grow.
I don't think I'm missing the point of such awards and reviews. It is about the interactions of that community within the game as much as anything outside of it. Let's look at the first paragraph:
A good community, to us, is one that is friendly. It's one where players can log into a chat channel and be met with welcoming messages from online friends. It's a place where reputation means a lot and names are remembered. It's a community that has its friendly competition and maybe even some outright rivalry, but remains fun. It is constructive, offering potential solutions to game and community issues instead of shouting "foul!" and "I'm going to sue!" In short, it's a place anyone would feel at home and have fun for most of the time they're logged on.
The community is built up around the game. If someone shouts "foul" in EVE, what's the reply? Try it in local. How about in a convo with someone where it would be appropriate? hmmm....
Do you really see the EVE community as fitting that paragraph with statements like: "Trust no one". "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose". "Feed me your tears", etc...
Where I view it: Stepping into EVE is like stepping into a den full of thieves and murderers. If you are cautious, you can survive and thrive. If you aren't... You'll metaphorically end up in an ally out back, bleeding out of more spare orifices than you went in the front door with and nobody will miss the fact that you couldn't handle it and ended up there. ZIP sympathy from the community beyond a few rare incidents.
if that "community" sounds like "home" to you, then I think you're setting a new low for dysfunctional family environments... *snicker*
Again -- properly qualified, more like you did it in your reply, I wouldn't post but those statements on this community... It does not fit the environment of EVE.
Thank you for literally making me burst out laughing.
Eve is pretty harsh on gullible people, yes.
However, there are corporations like Eve University, Agony..there's CVA and their open policy..
The community reacts very well to patient, curious people. Ask a well formulated question and you're getting a good answer back. It's like a mirror..if you're nice, you'll find the community to be nice too.
As an example, i've explained a lot of stuff to people i had killed mere minutes ago, just because they asked nicely. If someone blames me for aids, hitler and jesus being nailed to a cross because of how i play the game, you can guess the response he'll get.
(And obviously, if hilarious enough, it'll make it to the forums..)
The thing is, eve is a game of interdependence. I need to be nice to a good chunk of people, otherwise it will be indefinitely harder to do anything. If i start being rude to people i depend on (and i depend on a lot of people), then i'll find myself in a back alley with a missing kidney very soon. So Eve is a game that actually forces you to be nice to people from time to time (or have a VERY convincing argument), including newbies. If i rob my corp now, i can assure you i will never find a corp worth my time ever again.
Or, to put it in other words. If people feel superior they become absolute jackasses. That's why there are so many internet tough guys in games and forums. Anonymity is a bad thing.
Eve let's you lose a part of your anonymity. You need to build trust with people, but you're stuck with your character. Stuff you do sticks to you. People are a lot more careful about what they say when they feel that someone could come and break their stuff.
I don't think I'm missing the point of such awards and reviews. It is about the interactions of that community within the game as much as anything outside of it.
Yep, exactly.
Let's look at the first paragraph:
It's a place where reputation means a lot and names are remembered.
Where I view it: Stepping into EVE is like stepping into a den full of thieves and murderers. If you are cautious, you can survive and thrive. If you aren't... You'll metaphorically end up in an ally out back, bleeding out of more spare orifices than you went in the front door with and nobody will miss the fact that you couldn't handle it and ended up there. ZIP sympathy from the community beyond a few rare incidents.
Try to be nice and build up a good reputation.
I edited the post., the full one is up there to read.
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I wish I liked space ships and PvP. It must have a great community to win the award. Theres nothing better than a great community. I was apart of one in FFXI, and it makes a good game, a great game. Congrats EVE on your award.
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You're missing the point though. This is not about the game, it's about the community.
Eve, through the benefit of the one server architecture, has a pretty huge coherent community. It has spawned many community driven "spinoffs", third party applications, real life events, the fanfest, videos..and all this with a comparably small subscription base.
While i do not agree with the tth award ( ould've given it to a different game than eve, to be honest. Probably ryzom), i can understand where they're coming from. Eve has spawned a community not as splintered as, let's say, the non existent guildwars community. This community has created an enormous biotope in which awesomeness can grow.
I don't think I'm missing the point of such awards and reviews. It is about the interactions of that community within the game as much as anything outside of it. Let's look at the first paragraph:
A good community, to us, is one that is friendly. It's one where players can log into a chat channel and be met with welcoming messages from online friends. It's a place where reputation means a lot and names are remembered. It's a community that has its friendly competition and maybe even some outright rivalry, but remains fun. It is constructive, offering potential solutions to game and community issues instead of shouting "foul!" and "I'm going to sue!" In short, it's a place anyone would feel at home and have fun for most of the time they're logged on.
The community is built up around the game. If someone shouts "foul" in EVE, what's the reply? Try it in local. How about in a convo with someone where it would be appropriate? hmmm....
Do you really see the EVE community as fitting that paragraph with statements like: "Trust no one". "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose". "Feed me your tears", etc...
Where I view it: Stepping into EVE is like stepping into a den full of thieves and murderers. If you are cautious, you can survive and thrive. If you aren't... You'll metaphorically end up in an ally out back, bleeding out of more spare orifices than you went in the front door with and nobody will miss the fact that you couldn't handle it and ended up there. ZIP sympathy from the community beyond a few rare incidents.
if that "community" sounds like "home" to you, then I think you're setting a new low for dysfunctional family environments... *snicker*
Again -- properly qualified, more like you did it in your reply, I wouldn't post but those statements on this community... It does not fit the environment of EVE.
Yep, you and me are in agreement. I play Eve and, mostly, like it but the community is anything but friendly. The only friendly channel I have found is the help channel. Almost everywhere else has tons of e-peens showing of their latest kills or how rich they are and I have never met a pirate that is "cool".
They dont say anything, or if they do it is smacktalk in local, blow your ship up (even if you are in a shuttle) and then go on their way. Many times they have insultive and/or offensive bios (such as a long finger, how they rape/kill you and/or your family members) and the biggest corp in the game is Goons which is all about ganking and griefing.
Finally, I may be just unlucky, but the corps I have been in shows little interest in helping/training new people beside telling them to get in a rifter with MWD, webber and warp scramble and be their tackler pet or mining bot.
How that can be consider best community is beyond me as almost every game I have played, including WoW, had people help me for no apparent reason. Something that has never happened in Eve after 6+ months of playing. No, Eve has one of the worst community of all MMORPGs, not best.
I pity the poor newbie that starts in this game, grind missions for a month, to get a decent ship/modules and implants and then stumble into lowsec just to be podded by some random pirates (of which there are tons of) and wipe out most of the progress he made in that month.
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EVE is extremely diverse community. You hang in one region and it's a completely set of rules and mentality. I live Providence and it's not the same thing as living in the Great Wildlands or in Fountain. Even the prefered types of ships are different.
Providence will often turn into Battleship/Battlecruiser slug fest while in Fountain, you'll get super caps on your ass in no time.
To each it's own, EVE is the most diverse community out there.
Seems like a very Subjective Reward.
Would also be a difficult reward to write criteria for. Do you judge from the perspective of a new player? or from the perspective of a Veteran? or both?
Someone guilded? or Someone not guilded? or both?
Just from this thread you can tell there are quite a few variables.
Another criteria might be to include general chat channels or not to. Cause experiences with community change a lot when you turn off all the global channels. Just turning off some of those chat channels can drastically effect your perception of a games community. If everyone you interact with on a personal basis is well mannered and mature, but everyone on the global channel is the opposite, you can see where it would skew your opinions.
Purely from an outsiders point of view I would agree, solely on the basis that Eve reportedly attracts an older audience, and I like to think young adults and adults are better mannered then children. (*laughs)
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I think most people misunderstand the eve community horribly. People say its a den full of cutthroats and murderers, thiefs and even politicans, and yes thats all true. But what those people miss, is that those people dont do what they do because they hate you, or like to cause pain(apart from the politicans i guess), they simply fill a role in the game that requires them to do it.
If you want to be a pirate for example, sooner or later you need to start shooting other players, without them agreeing to it. You cant be a pirate that doesnt shoot other players. It doesnt mean you hate others or like to cause pain (though that helps), infact most pirates i know and talk to are pretty great guys. I mean they are trying to rob you blind sure, but after all its imaginary ships, paid with imaginary money from a never ceasing imaginary money fountain. Surely they wont go do hell for this?
And there arnt that many bad apples either, its just that those that are there stand out so much. You got scammed by someone in jita? There are well over 1000 players online there at pretty much all times, so you just NOT got scammed by 999 people, which is pretty good overall. Most bad behavior in EvE falls back to the old "because i can get away with it", and you will find it not only in any game, but in any social interaction where it applies. Its basic human nature, and you have far more tools in eve protecting you from it than you will ever get in RL.
I played eve on and off since 2004, and i can honestly say i have maybe been scammed 2 times, pirated in lowsec maybe twice, and podded in lowsec once i think. I have never been suicide ganked, never treated unfairly, and never have been backstabbed.
And yes once, for a brief period, i was one of those pirates that killed a noob, only to realise how little he had and giving him 10x what he lost and alot of good advise to boot. The thing is, pirating relies on split second decisions. If you catch someone in a belt you dont have time to check his bio, corp history and maybe get to know each other first(in other words you dont know its a noob). You need to get a point on asap(to prevent him fleeing, which will make you feel lonely), and you need to start eating away all that annoy HP they tend to give ships. And then, at there very end, if no reinforcements are in sight(and you have to assume anything on scan is reeinforcement) and the poor guy has maybe 10% structure left, and doesnt struggle to much, then we can have a little chat if he feels like it. Or we just have the nice chat afterwards, when the adrenalin isnt keeping him from hitting the right keys anymore and he can type english instead of gibberish.
You should never forget, that whatever happens to you in eve, its probably your own damn fault, and if you werent so busy shuffling the blame on other peoples playstyle you would realise that.
P.S.: One of the phrases used by both parties after a fight, unconsentual or not, is "gf" which stands for good fight. This is really saying something for a game with such a harsh deathpenalty. Its a compliment for a well executed ambush as much as it is a acknowledgement of someone not going down without a fight. I find it not uncommon that people who just lost billions in assets to their archenemy are still treating each other better than people do in wow over a lost duel or for doing some small error in a pvp battleground.
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I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"