I will go on record right now saying that I doubt this will work out well at all.
On the surface it sounds cool to have a changing game world, and then have a tv series developed around it. So perhaps the character you play could make a little cameo appearance and people will feel more connected. Plus it would get the MMO addicts who live every minute of their day for MMOs another outlet to focus on.
But in the end I think it will be disconnected and disappointing, if it gets published at all. Not trying to be negative, just realistic.
I will go on record right now saying that I doubt this will work out well at all.
On the surface it sounds cool to have a changing game world, and then have a tv series developed around it. So perhaps the character you play could make a little cameo appearance and people will feel more connected. Plus it would get the MMO addicts who live every minute of their day for MMOs another outlet to focus on.
But in the end I think it will be disconnected and disappointing, if it gets published at all. Not trying to be negative, just realistic.
Trion is it's own publisher so of course it will get published. The question is if it will last past 1 season on TV. Again though i'm surprised at how negative you guys are. I can see this going either way. It could work beautifully if the writers are solid, and the developers know what they are doing.
Wow you guys have the worst imagination ever. Either you need to get stoned and think about the idea or you need to stop playing games that hold your hand for every second of the way giving you these horribly poor imaginations. Think about it. It could be very, very cool.
DUDE/LADY
Its a Fing MMO<-- Game on TV<----
MMOs usaually Fail,
Plus Games on TV usually Fail (in the States, not so much in the east)
Put that together and you have a MAJOR FLOP
Also dont forget that they will both interact with each other.
How in the world do you make MMO gameplay Fun but yet entertaining for TV? This aint South Park here People
It is not a show about a game or a game about a show. It is a game and a show being developed simultaneously. I know that there have been a lot of failures in adapting movies for games and games for movies, but this is not an adaptation. This is designed to coincide and interweave from the drawing board. What you are referencing is simple adaptations that do not tie into each other in any way and are more of extensions.
I will go on record right now saying that I doubt this will work out well at all.
On the surface it sounds cool to have a changing game world, and then have a tv series developed around it. So perhaps the character you play could make a little cameo appearance and people will feel more connected. Plus it would get the MMO addicts who live every minute of their day for MMOs another outlet to focus on.
But in the end I think it will be disconnected and disappointing, if it gets published at all. Not trying to be negative, just realistic.
Trion is it's own publisher so of course it will get published. The question is if it will last past 1 season on TV. Again though i'm surprised at how negative you guys are. I can see this going either way. It could work beautifully if the writers are solid, and the developers know what they are doing.
Being your own publisher doesn't ever guarantee a release.
They could run out of money. They could figure out how much of their wants aren't possible. They could spend years and then realize the whole project has to be scrapped due to any number of reasons. It happens all the time.
Hmm a lot of negative comments here, which I can understand, but on the other side of the coin, I'm personally glad that Trion are at least attempting to be creative and dynamic in a stale MMO genre. Sure, it could flop big time. There's at least a chance it could be good and interesting also.
And as for new blood, I don't get why its necessary to have an "experienced" studio only make MMOs. With the genre being as stale and stuck in the rut as it is, perhaps some new blood will be good.
I just dont picture this being all that good. Ether the Show will Suck, or the game will suck. MAYBE EVEN BOTH
oh look its an Emo teenager!
i think some are fooling themselves if they think the characters on TV will be doing the same as the characters in game. i think it will be the other way around things that happen in the show will effect the MMO ... not the other way around.
say if its a post apocalyptic show ... the first season the people on the show will be trying to survive, so will the people in game, building up cities, trying to gather resources and what not.
season 2 - an underground lair is discovered filled with mutated creatures that are released and now causing havoc, same thing would happen in game. more dangerous monsters fill the landscape ... and hey a new raid zone LOL.
maybe they would also let in game actions determine some of the plot lines ... A major character gets captured by some villain on TV and in game they add a new Public Quest which if done Saves the character on the TV show, if not they are killed off.
there are lots of possibilities, I bet most would be drooling if there was a Warcraft show connected to WoW. most would be claiming how brilliant Blizzard is.
the Evil Raider that outgears you and makes you cry for welfare epics on the forums.
alot of us here are long time veteran MMO players and we have yet wo see a world that has been completed enough to be a living breathing world. Most MMOs these days wall into the same tired formula of gobs of hack and slash with only a dash of content in a ever static game world its rare you even see decent weather and ive never seen good climates or seasons
and as for TV shows most of em are special effect demonstrations with a story taped on the side. and lack the rich charactors or involving storyline that grabs an audience.
even the screen shots ive seen I dont understand yet how these charactors and this world are gonna make for great TV?
I mean so far it looks a bit like an animated series I guess id have to hear much more about the shows/games premice and how much the show audience and the game players are going to interact.
I can safely say if its gonna be all about hack and slash and PVP that it wont hold my intrest,, im gonna need non-combat content and sandboxing and ways to change the world dig, build roads, create villages ect.
I will be following this as it developes.
make a world, not a game, we dont want another game.
The idea seems interesting, but I'm doubtful it will be pulled off successfully. This coming from a company that changed its name from SCIFI to SYFY, with the latter I want to pronounce "siffy".
Seriously though, many scifi, action or fantasy series have not fared well in the last few years. Either the network pulls the plug on a good show because it doesn't get unrealistic high ratings (Firefly) or the show has bad writers that don't seem to know what they are doing (Knight Rider, Painkiller Jane). If they can pull this off would be a ratings coup, but odds are not in their favor.
Originally posted by Neanderthal Hehe, yeah. Actually the only way I can see something like this working out is if the TV show took a tongue-in-cheek approach to satirize all the stupid crap in mmorpgs. Like have one of the main characters getting a "quest" from a NPC to recover the <<<Lost Data Cubes Morjignik>>>. But the data cubes are 50 feet away sitting on a table. The hero scratches his head looking puzzled but then shrugs and does it. But then other people start clamoring for him to fetch this or that from a few yards away untill he concludes that they are all insane. Stuff like that might make for an entertaining show...for a while.
WTF
The closes thing I got as FUNNY from this idea, was the fact that IT WASNT FUNNY.
Kinda like the idea behind EPIC MOVIE and MEET THE SPARTANs
I wasn't applying for a job as a comedy writer I was just pointing out the sort of approach they could take. If you didn't understand what I was getting at I'm not going to bother trying to explain it to you. All I'll say about is if you didn't understand what I was saying then you probably should never watch the South Park spoof on World of Warcraft. You probably wouldn't understand that either.
Im pretty sure this is what dot Hack// G.U. was gonna be before they decided to turn it into a single player game.
In my opinion it could sort of work if they try something similar, by admitting the characters are inside a real mmorpg, that somehow gets affected by the "Bad guys" in some way?
It should give the MMO more oportunity to grow if the tv show cancels . -shrugs-
I will go on record right now saying that I doubt this will work out well at all.
On the surface it sounds cool to have a changing game world, and then have a tv series developed around it. So perhaps the character you play could make a little cameo appearance and people will feel more connected. Plus it would get the MMO addicts who live every minute of their day for MMOs another outlet to focus on.
But in the end I think it will be disconnected and disappointing, if it gets published at all. Not trying to be negative, just realistic.
Trion is it's own publisher so of course it will get published. The question is if it will last past 1 season on TV. Again though i'm surprised at how negative you guys are. I can see this going either way. It could work beautifully if the writers are solid, and the developers know what they are doing.
Being your own publisher doesn't ever guarantee a release.
They could run out of money. They could figure out how much of their wants aren't possible. They could spend years and then realize the whole project has to be scrapped due to any number of reasons. It happens all the time.
Given the corps backing Trion, running out of money isn't likely to be a problem. Look at what they have for HoT already. Internal politics *might* be a problem, given that MMO's take years to complete, but we will have to see what develops.
Given past historical accounts and of the TV Industry, I will say this program/game will NOT be successful.
Reasons:
- Historically whenever one company attempts to develop more than one MMO before having a live product/service, the company has gone out of business.
- Trion is actually doing five things, three MMO's, a platform for MMO's and publishing. More projects widens the scope and makes success difficult.
- Working with TV is not easy. The TV side of the game will have a different demographics than of that playing the game. While ideally it would be the same demographic, but the same demographic will be too small to support the expense of producing the show.
- The TV show will require a higher budget than that of the game, thus the game supports the show, not the show supporting the game.
- When problems occur with the show or to boost ratings, the game will be impacted.
- The game will have advertisements, such as Product Placement to entice advertisers to place ads for both the game and show.
- Whatever players do in the game will not impact the TV Show.
- In the end, the "TV people" will be dictating how the game is managed.
What will likely happen is neither the game or show will be related to each other, save for the names and visual assets.
A more practical approach would be to have the Show for Online Use as a pilot program before commiting to TV broadcasting.
It is a good concept, but too ambitious and immature and likely to be canceled. The next title to come along to do the same thing, with the lessons learned from this one will likely succeed.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Given the corps backing Trion, running out of money isn't likely to be a problem. Look at what they have for HoT already. Internal politics *might* be a problem, given that MMO's take years to complete, but we will have to see what develops.
But also not a guarantee either. Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment for Stargate Worlds is of a very similar story to this one.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Given the corps backing Trion, running out of money isn't likely to be a problem. Look at what they have for HoT already. Internal politics *might* be a problem, given that MMO's take years to complete, but we will have to see what develops.
But also not a guarantee either. Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment for Stargate Worlds is of a very similar story to this one.
If you've followed the saga of CME, you know it was the antics of the management involved that resulted in their problems. Trion appears to have a much more professional staff. But only time will tell how this works out.
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I will go on record right now saying that I doubt this will work out well at all.
On the surface it sounds cool to have a changing game world, and then have a tv series developed around it. So perhaps the character you play could make a little cameo appearance and people will feel more connected. Plus it would get the MMO addicts who live every minute of their day for MMOs another outlet to focus on.
But in the end I think it will be disconnected and disappointing, if it gets published at all. Not trying to be negative, just realistic.
Trion is it's own publisher so of course it will get published. The question is if it will last past 1 season on TV. Again though i'm surprised at how negative you guys are. I can see this going either way. It could work beautifully if the writers are solid, and the developers know what they are doing.
DUDE/LADY
Its a Fing MMO<-- Game on TV<----
MMOs usaually Fail,
Plus Games on TV usually Fail (in the States, not so much in the east)
Put that together and you have a MAJOR FLOP
Also dont forget that they will both interact with each other.
How in the world do you make MMO gameplay Fun but yet entertaining for TV? This aint South Park here People
Still a Movie/Show about a Video game.
I dont need to call Shaq to tell ya that its going to be bad.
It is not a show about a game or a game about a show. It is a game and a show being developed simultaneously. I know that there have been a lot of failures in adapting movies for games and games for movies, but this is not an adaptation. This is designed to coincide and interweave from the drawing board. What you are referencing is simple adaptations that do not tie into each other in any way and are more of extensions.
ok... so how would this work...
would the show and the game be interconected? or isolated and only reference each other in passing?
or would us as "players" possibly end up being some kind of extras behind a ongoing story?
cause that would be prety cool for players to be bar patrons or extras in a battle ect.
make a world, not a game, we dont want another game.
im kinda thinking of this as a machinama taken to extreem with deep charactors and a complex and involving story line.
make a world, not a game, we dont want another game.
Trion is it's own publisher so of course it will get published. The question is if it will last past 1 season on TV. Again though i'm surprised at how negative you guys are. I can see this going either way. It could work beautifully if the writers are solid, and the developers know what they are doing.
Being your own publisher doesn't ever guarantee a release.
They could run out of money. They could figure out how much of their wants aren't possible. They could spend years and then realize the whole project has to be scrapped due to any number of reasons. It happens all the time.
Hmm a lot of negative comments here, which I can understand, but on the other side of the coin, I'm personally glad that Trion are at least attempting to be creative and dynamic in a stale MMO genre. Sure, it could flop big time. There's at least a chance it could be good and interesting also.
And as for new blood, I don't get why its necessary to have an "experienced" studio only make MMOs. With the genre being as stale and stuck in the rut as it is, perhaps some new blood will be good.
oh look its an Emo teenager!
i think some are fooling themselves if they think the characters on TV will be doing the same as the characters in game. i think it will be the other way around things that happen in the show will effect the MMO ... not the other way around.
say if its a post apocalyptic show ... the first season the people on the show will be trying to survive, so will the people in game, building up cities, trying to gather resources and what not.
season 2 - an underground lair is discovered filled with mutated creatures that are released and now causing havoc, same thing would happen in game. more dangerous monsters fill the landscape ... and hey a new raid zone LOL.
maybe they would also let in game actions determine some of the plot lines ... A major character gets captured by some villain on TV and in game they add a new Public Quest which if done Saves the character on the TV show, if not they are killed off.
there are lots of possibilities, I bet most would be drooling if there was a Warcraft show connected to WoW. most would be claiming how brilliant Blizzard is.
the Evil Raider that outgears you and makes you cry for welfare epics on the forums.
alot of us here are long time veteran MMO players and we have yet wo see a world that has been completed enough to be a living breathing world. Most MMOs these days wall into the same tired formula of gobs of hack and slash with only a dash of content in a ever static game world its rare you even see decent weather and ive never seen good climates or seasons
and as for TV shows most of em are special effect demonstrations with a story taped on the side. and lack the rich charactors or involving storyline that grabs an audience.
even the screen shots ive seen I dont understand yet how these charactors and this world are gonna make for great TV?
I mean so far it looks a bit like an animated series I guess id have to hear much more about the shows/games premice and how much the show audience and the game players are going to interact.
I can safely say if its gonna be all about hack and slash and PVP that it wont hold my intrest,, im gonna need non-combat content and sandboxing and ways to change the world dig, build roads, create villages ect.
I will be following this as it developes.
make a world, not a game, we dont want another game.
The idea seems interesting, but I'm doubtful it will be pulled off successfully. This coming from a company that changed its name from SCIFI to SYFY, with the latter I want to pronounce "siffy".
Seriously though, many scifi, action or fantasy series have not fared well in the last few years. Either the network pulls the plug on a good show because it doesn't get unrealistic high ratings (Firefly) or the show has bad writers that don't seem to know what they are doing (Knight Rider, Painkiller Jane). If they can pull this off would be a ratings coup, but odds are not in their favor.
WTF
The closes thing I got as FUNNY from this idea, was the fact that IT WASNT FUNNY.
Kinda like the idea behind EPIC MOVIE and MEET THE SPARTANs
I wasn't applying for a job as a comedy writer I was just pointing out the sort of approach they could take. If you didn't understand what I was getting at I'm not going to bother trying to explain it to you. All I'll say about is if you didn't understand what I was saying then you probably should never watch the South Park spoof on World of Warcraft. You probably wouldn't understand that either.
Im pretty sure this is what dot Hack// G.U. was gonna be before they decided to turn it into a single player game.
In my opinion it could sort of work if they try something similar, by admitting the characters are inside a real mmorpg, that somehow gets affected by the "Bad guys" in some way?
It should give the MMO more oportunity to grow if the tv show cancels . -shrugs-
Trion is it's own publisher so of course it will get published. The question is if it will last past 1 season on TV. Again though i'm surprised at how negative you guys are. I can see this going either way. It could work beautifully if the writers are solid, and the developers know what they are doing.
Being your own publisher doesn't ever guarantee a release.
They could run out of money. They could figure out how much of their wants aren't possible. They could spend years and then realize the whole project has to be scrapped due to any number of reasons. It happens all the time.
Given the corps backing Trion, running out of money isn't likely to be a problem. Look at what they have for HoT already. Internal politics *might* be a problem, given that MMO's take years to complete, but we will have to see what develops.
Given past historical accounts and of the TV Industry, I will say this program/game will NOT be successful.
Reasons:
- Historically whenever one company attempts to develop more than one MMO before having a live product/service, the company has gone out of business.
- Trion is actually doing five things, three MMO's, a platform for MMO's and publishing. More projects widens the scope and makes success difficult.
- Working with TV is not easy. The TV side of the game will have a different demographics than of that playing the game. While ideally it would be the same demographic, but the same demographic will be too small to support the expense of producing the show.
- The TV show will require a higher budget than that of the game, thus the game supports the show, not the show supporting the game.
- When problems occur with the show or to boost ratings, the game will be impacted.
- The game will have advertisements, such as Product Placement to entice advertisers to place ads for both the game and show.
- Whatever players do in the game will not impact the TV Show.
- In the end, the "TV people" will be dictating how the game is managed.
What will likely happen is neither the game or show will be related to each other, save for the names and visual assets.
A more practical approach would be to have the Show for Online Use as a pilot program before commiting to TV broadcasting.
It is a good concept, but too ambitious and immature and likely to be canceled. The next title to come along to do the same thing, with the lessons learned from this one will likely succeed.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
But also not a guarantee either. Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment for Stargate Worlds is of a very similar story to this one.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
But also not a guarantee either. Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment for Stargate Worlds is of a very similar story to this one.
If you've followed the saga of CME, you know it was the antics of the management involved that resulted in their problems. Trion appears to have a much more professional staff. But only time will tell how this works out.