So after a little more looking into it it breaks down like this currently on the Russian version, which is a few updates further than ours and in open beta:
1. Astral megaphones - Used similarly to a /yell where the entire faction can see what you say. 2. Megaphones - Used for local zone chat. Both of these are purchased in the cash shop. Having to pay for items to use on a special channel, or for yelling is one thing, but having to pay just to talk in a region or zone chat, no thanks.
zone megaphones are used for "special chat." not zone chat. We believe this is to allow you to have colored text in zone chat or something. you dont need it to talk in zone.
If that's the case it doesn't bother me and I don't think it will be a problem, but from what I understood people from the Russian OB were saying they were needed for any sort of zone chat. Hopefully you're right and that information is wrong.
Not flaming you or whatever wowfan but since your playing allods OBT and I guess you been playing it for a few weeks and/or visit their forums, how's the leveling speed after the current cap in closed beta? Is it faster say then runes of magic or at least more enjoyable? (hated the 1000s of quests that gave sooo low of exp each)
I have been playing Allods since CB1.
Leveling is balanced, but pay attention to your "blue exp". If you run out you will be grinding 3-5 bubbles. Which really sucks because mobs give low xp.
Holy Lands, the 3rd area is really a gank fest. Whatever makes it to level 30 first will dominate the server. In CB's case Empire. No one can really level b/c some level 30 is going to camp the area a player needs to be questing.
If you like faction based pvp and griefers this is the game for you. There are talks of a flagging system coming for CB4. If it does I will be posting it here.
There are still quite a few large bugs and lots of class imbalances. seems the developers are more concerned with end game class imbalances than lower levels.
Well, I would consider end game balancing to be more important than at lower levels. Unless they plan on allowing people to have twinks, classes at lower levels would probably well off just being about to solo or quest with some ease.
Also, you might see a lot of ganking now mostly because the end game content isn't in the game. It might become a lot less likely to happen once the game goes live, because people will be focusing on getting to the end game.
I would have no objection for a World chat item, because that would just be free ground for RMT. For zone chat? no thats neccecary for community. When goldspammers come along, just blacklist.
Gold spammers are going to have a very difficult time. Gold can be bought via the Item shop. Leveling is very quick. Good items are BOP. Reputation grinds are very short. About the only items the gold spammers can help with is the Astral Ships. I imagine that will be addressed too. Seems Allods Online is going to great lengths to help spammers move along.
From what I experienced in the 3rd closed beta the game seems to allow zone chat but prevents any higher chat (world). A lot of an inconvience when taking into account finding groups for higher level areas, but for the starting zones it works just fine.
I suppose in theory they expect if you have the dedication to level up a character (fairly slow process overall I'd say) then you probably are dedicated enough to the game to shell out a couple of bucks to talk in world chat.
It otherwise looks to be like one of the best F2P games available, giving a fairly similar experience WoW gives but with no monthy charge.
If those items are tradeable then they will probably be a big business like in jade dynasty and ether saga to sell rare stuff and/or item mall items and they should cost fairly cheap in ingame gold well at least I hope it's like the other games..
The game is still in CLOSED BETA. As a matter of FACT, you can speak in zone chat freely in Beta. There is no comprehensive list of the items that will be available once Closed Beta ends.
Using the Russian site as a comparison for the cash shop is a big mistake. The Russian version of the game is run by Astrum Nival, the developers. The English versions are being run by Gpotato and will not necessarily have the same items in their cash shop.
Few things, blacksmiths can make keys, and the zone chat item is only for special colored announcement, such as events and such, you can talk in zone chat all day long. Having to pay to speak to the entire world is a god dam godsend in today's internet populace.
Stop being a bunch of sensationalists.
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Yep, they have to make their money somehow. This is one of those things people will spend their money on.
Oh, they could maybe - I don't know - perhaps - make a game that is good enough for people to pay to play it without having each and every feature paid a la carte? Nah!
Pay for postage next? Pay for fast travel? Buy your levels?
You should really play the game before you comment, this game is more refined than most P2P games.
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I usually try to only view say and whisper chat anyways, I find the conversations very irritating and a major turn off from playing with other people. So not game breaking imo.
I've been in the Closed Beta for Allods in the US and I've not noticed these supposed special items for chat in the store that is clearly visable. Of course if they do have it by open beta that will somewhat suck to have no access to zone chat since you need that for getting groups together for the 10+ people required raid mobs you can get blue quest items for killing.
I also didn't notice any items on the cash shop that would give anyone particular combat advantage over another. I wouldn't call it ala carte either more like do you want to have this fancier looking peice of clothing or a bigger backpack. There are XP potions if I remember correctly which would go over nice with those that would rather grind mobs then do quests. (mobs typically give a small amount of XP compared to quests).
It's normal for free 2 play to have items to talk in a special chat channel were everyone online can see and also prevents gold spammers from spamming whole chat. You can always join a guild and/or whisper those people that use the special chat channel for grouping.
Yep, they have to make their money somehow. This is one of those things people will spend their money on.
Yep, and the same reason why I quit playing Requiem.
Not many of you have tried Draconica I take it, well its being done by gPotato too and also has a cash-shop 'world chat' item, it could be traded and even found in game, not too often though, but still.
To be fair I've no trouble with it, no gold spamming and frankly I find the whole 'word chat' thing a step in the wrong direction for mmo's in general, it promotes stupidity and discourages community participation.
Not many of you have tried Draconica I take it, well its being done by gPotato too and also has a cash-shop 'world chat' item, it could be traded and even found in game, not too often though, but still.
To be fair I've no trouble with it, no gold spamming and frankly I find the whole 'word chat' thing a step in the wrong direction for mmo's in general, it promotes stupidity and discourages community participation.
- Shijeer
No offense man but did you really even read the thread? The issue isn't about "world" chat, it's about the chat channel for the immediate "zone" or "area" you are in. Having to send whispers to everyone around you or in the zone to find a group or ask questions doesn't even remotely compare to the small inconvenience of putting someone on ignore who might be in a channel spamming.
The game will sell gear (well crucial component to upgrade gear at very minimum). Gear has tremendous impact from the very beggining. And you are whinning about zone chat.
You do not need zone chat if game has good social tools. If it sucks you need zone chat but then why care.
The aforementioned Dragonica does not have zone chat. You cannot even whisper to random people unless you are mutual friends. Yet it hardly matters and zone chat would be largely useless anyway. Just because WoW etc used to suck for years until quite recently and needed OOC channels to compensate and you want everything to be like WoW does not mean you cannot have well though out games witout zone chat.
So after a little more looking into it it breaks down like this currently on the Russian version, which is a few updates further than ours and in open beta:
1. Astral megaphones - Used similarly to a /yell where the entire faction can see what you say. 2. Megaphones - Used for local zone chat. Both of these are purchased in the cash shop. Having to pay for items to use on a special channel, or for yelling is one thing, but having to pay just to talk in a region or zone chat, no thanks.
I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly. You will go out and purchase an MMO for $50, pay the $15 a month sub fee, but you won't pay a few dollars so they can make a dime to a FREE MMO?
So after a little more looking into it it breaks down like this currently on the Russian version, which is a few updates further than ours and in open beta:
1. Astral megaphones - Used similarly to a /yell where the entire faction can see what you say. 2. Megaphones - Used for local zone chat. Both of these are purchased in the cash shop. Having to pay for items to use on a special channel, or for yelling is one thing, but having to pay just to talk in a region or zone chat, no thanks.
I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly. You will go out and purchase an MMO for $50, pay the $15 a month sub fee, but you won't pay a few dollars so they can make a dime to a FREE MMO?
That's pretty much the logic of a good portion of the NA MMO playerbase. The rest of the gaming world seems a lot better at math.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
To be honest I have never used zone, region or world chat in any game I've played. They're filled with to much lame conversation about Chuck Norris , mom jokes or people to stuck on themselves to answer a simple question. Forgive me if I am not sure what people think they'll be missing.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Doesn't bother me at all - chat in CB is full of the stupidest drivel known to man and beast... If people want to buy megaphones to spam chat their crap then fine.
If I even play this long term I'll be joining a guild and talking to them - now if they want to sell guild talk then its bye bye.
Doesn't bother me at all - chat in CB is full of the stupidest drivel known to man and beast... If people want to buy megaphones to spam chat their crap then fine. If I even play this long term I'll be joining a guild and talking to them - now if they want to sell guild talk then its bye bye.
What do people have against actually paying developers for a fun game? How are they supposed to make money? ADs? Social Items? You realize the majority of the items people buy in a cash shop are XP potions, mounts and respec scrolls. Things you actually need.
They make next to nothing if you only sell shit that can be 100% avoided to play the game.
Well sorry but that's unfortunate. If they sell themselves as a Free to Play game then they better face the consequences of that label. F2P games will always have a lower starting point then P2P games,a lower reputation then P2P - F2P to me means its a free game unless I give into the grind and want a boost to my levelling.
If the devs want cash they should make sure their game is complete to end game and full of content THEN they can ask for a monthly sub., if not and its F2P then anything goes...
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zone megaphones are used for "special chat." not zone chat. We believe this is to allow you to have colored text in zone chat or something. you dont need it to talk in zone.
If that's the case it doesn't bother me and I don't think it will be a problem, but from what I understood people from the Russian OB were saying they were needed for any sort of zone chat. Hopefully you're right and that information is wrong.
I have been playing Allods since CB1.
Leveling is balanced, but pay attention to your "blue exp". If you run out you will be grinding 3-5 bubbles. Which really sucks because mobs give low xp.
Holy Lands, the 3rd area is really a gank fest. Whatever makes it to level 30 first will dominate the server. In CB's case Empire. No one can really level b/c some level 30 is going to camp the area a player needs to be questing.
If you like faction based pvp and griefers this is the game for you. There are talks of a flagging system coming for CB4. If it does I will be posting it here.
There are still quite a few large bugs and lots of class imbalances. seems the developers are more concerned with end game class imbalances than lower levels.
Well, I would consider end game balancing to be more important than at lower levels. Unless they plan on allowing people to have twinks, classes at lower levels would probably well off just being about to solo or quest with some ease.
Also, you might see a lot of ganking now mostly because the end game content isn't in the game. It might become a lot less likely to happen once the game goes live, because people will be focusing on getting to the end game.
Groovy.
I would have no objection for a World chat item, because that would just be free ground for RMT. For zone chat? no thats neccecary for community. When goldspammers come along, just blacklist.
Gold spammers are going to have a very difficult time. Gold can be bought via the Item shop. Leveling is very quick. Good items are BOP. Reputation grinds are very short. About the only items the gold spammers can help with is the Astral Ships. I imagine that will be addressed too. Seems Allods Online is going to great lengths to help spammers move along.
From what I experienced in the 3rd closed beta the game seems to allow zone chat but prevents any higher chat (world). A lot of an inconvience when taking into account finding groups for higher level areas, but for the starting zones it works just fine.
I suppose in theory they expect if you have the dedication to level up a character (fairly slow process overall I'd say) then you probably are dedicated enough to the game to shell out a couple of bucks to talk in world chat.
It otherwise looks to be like one of the best F2P games available, giving a fairly similar experience WoW gives but with no monthy charge.
If those items are tradeable then they will probably be a big business like in jade dynasty and ether saga to sell rare stuff and/or item mall items and they should cost fairly cheap in ingame gold well at least I hope it's like the other games..
The game is still in CLOSED BETA. As a matter of FACT, you can speak in zone chat freely in Beta. There is no comprehensive list of the items that will be available once Closed Beta ends.
Using the Russian site as a comparison for the cash shop is a big mistake. The Russian version of the game is run by Astrum Nival, the developers. The English versions are being run by Gpotato and will not necessarily have the same items in their cash shop.
Few things, blacksmiths can make keys, and the zone chat item is only for special colored announcement, such as events and such, you can talk in zone chat all day long. Having to pay to speak to the entire world is a god dam godsend in today's internet populace.
Stop being a bunch of sensationalists.
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Oh, they could maybe - I don't know - perhaps - make a game that is good enough for people to pay to play it without having each and every feature paid a la carte? Nah!
Pay for postage next? Pay for fast travel? Buy your levels?
You should really play the game before you comment, this game is more refined than most P2P games.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I usually try to only view say and whisper chat anyways, I find the conversations very irritating and a major turn off from playing with other people. So not game breaking imo.
I've been in the Closed Beta for Allods in the US and I've not noticed these supposed special items for chat in the store that is clearly visable. Of course if they do have it by open beta that will somewhat suck to have no access to zone chat since you need that for getting groups together for the 10+ people required raid mobs you can get blue quest items for killing.
I also didn't notice any items on the cash shop that would give anyone particular combat advantage over another. I wouldn't call it ala carte either more like do you want to have this fancier looking peice of clothing or a bigger backpack. There are XP potions if I remember correctly which would go over nice with those that would rather grind mobs then do quests. (mobs typically give a small amount of XP compared to quests).
Yep, they have to make their money somehow. This is one of those things people will spend their money on.
Yep, and the same reason why I quit playing Requiem.
me too
Not many of you have tried Draconica I take it, well its being done by gPotato too and also has a cash-shop 'world chat' item, it could be traded and even found in game, not too often though, but still.
To be fair I've no trouble with it, no gold spamming and frankly I find the whole 'word chat' thing a step in the wrong direction for mmo's in general, it promotes stupidity and discourages community participation.
- Shijeer
No offense man but did you really even read the thread? The issue isn't about "world" chat, it's about the chat channel for the immediate "zone" or "area" you are in. Having to send whispers to everyone around you or in the zone to find a group or ask questions doesn't even remotely compare to the small inconvenience of putting someone on ignore who might be in a channel spamming.
The game will sell gear (well crucial component to upgrade gear at very minimum). Gear has tremendous impact from the very beggining. And you are whinning about zone chat.
You do not need zone chat if game has good social tools. If it sucks you need zone chat but then why care.
The aforementioned Dragonica does not have zone chat. You cannot even whisper to random people unless you are mutual friends. Yet it hardly matters and zone chat would be largely useless anyway. Just because WoW etc used to suck for years until quite recently and needed OOC channels to compensate and you want everything to be like WoW does not mean you cannot have well though out games witout zone chat.
I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly. You will go out and purchase an MMO for $50, pay the $15 a month sub fee, but you won't pay a few dollars so they can make a dime to a FREE MMO?
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.
I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly. You will go out and purchase an MMO for $50, pay the $15 a month sub fee, but you won't pay a few dollars so they can make a dime to a FREE MMO?
That's pretty much the logic of a good portion of the NA MMO playerbase. The rest of the gaming world seems a lot better at math.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
To be honest I have never used zone, region or world chat in any game I've played. They're filled with to much lame conversation about Chuck Norris , mom jokes or people to stuck on themselves to answer a simple question. Forgive me if I am not sure what people think they'll be missing.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Doesn't bother me at all - chat in CB is full of the stupidest drivel known to man and beast... If people want to buy megaphones to spam chat their crap then fine.
If I even play this long term I'll be joining a guild and talking to them - now if they want to sell guild talk then its bye bye.
I have never had an issue sinking a few bucks in a cash shop.
I played Atlantica Online for about 6 months and only paid about twenty bucks in the shop.
It was an enjoyable game.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
What do people have against actually paying developers for a fun game? How are they supposed to make money? ADs? Social Items? You realize the majority of the items people buy in a cash shop are XP potions, mounts and respec scrolls. Things you actually need.
They make next to nothing if you only sell shit that can be 100% avoided to play the game.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
Well sorry but that's unfortunate. If they sell themselves as a Free to Play game then they better face the consequences of that label. F2P games will always have a lower starting point then P2P games,a lower reputation then P2P - F2P to me means its a free game unless I give into the grind and want a boost to my levelling.
If the devs want cash they should make sure their game is complete to end game and full of content THEN they can ask for a monthly sub., if not and its F2P then anything goes...