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New CPU, need advice on clocking.
I have completed my first successful installation of a CPU, thanks to advice and tips from these forums, thank you.
The CPU runs cool and with any hiccups.
It is an Intel dual core 2.6 E-5300 Wolfdale.
The motherboard is an Intel D945GCL.
The CPU is actually running at 1197.8 MHz with a x6.0 multiplier, Bus Speed of 199.6 MHz and a Rated FSB of 798.6
Running CPUID and Core Temp 0.99.5 while running loads (Playing FPSMMO's) I have gotten the load up to as much as 70%, with the max CPU temp, not going over (45C) very nice.
The thing that I also notice and wonder about, is that the CPU Core speed never changes but a fraction, under load.
From reading the tech manual on the mother board I am lead to believe that this clock speed can be changed, yet, as I understand these thing from only reading, and never doing, is it
A) actually possible for me to get my clock speed to 2.6 ?
and what do you need me to post, in order to answere , this, question?
Processor 1 ID = 0
Number of cores 2 (max 2)
Number of threads 2 (max 2)
Name Intel Pentium E5300
Codename Wolfdale
Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU E5300 @ 2.60GHz
Package (platform ID) Socket 775 LGA (0x0)
CPUID 6.7.A
Extended CPUID 6.17
Core Stepping R0
Technology 45 nm
Core Speed 1197.8 MHz
Multiplier x FSB 6.00 x 199.6 MHz
Rated Bus speed 798.5 MHz
Stock frequency 2600 MHz
Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, EM64T
L1 Data cache 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 2048 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
FID/VID Control no
Chipset
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Northbridge Intel i945P/PL/G/GZ rev. A2
Southbridge Intel 82801GB (ICH7/R) rev. A1
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x16
PCI-E Max Link Width x16
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 2048 MBytes
Channels Dual
Memory Frequency 332.7 MHz (3:5)
CAS# latency (CL) 5.0
RAS# to CAS# delay (tRCD) 5
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 5
Cycle Time (tRAS) 15
Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 21
MCHBAR I/O Base address 0x0FED14000
MCHBAR I/O Size 4096
MCHBAR registers
Memory SPD
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
DIMM # 1
SMBus address 0x50
Memory type DDR2
Module format Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) Melco (7F7F7F8300000000)
Size 1024 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2-5300 (333 MHz)
Part number
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
EPP no
XMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
JEDEC #1 3.0-3-3-9-12 @ 200 MHz
JEDEC #2 4.0-4-4-12-16 @ 266 MHz
JEDEC #3 5.0-5-5-15-20 @ 333 MHz
DIMM # 2
SMBus address 0x52
Memory type DDR2
Module format Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) Melco (7F7F7F8300000000)
Size 1024 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2-5300 (333 MHz)
Part number
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
EPP no
XMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
JEDEC #1 3.0-3-3-9-12 @ 200 MHz
JEDEC #2 4.0-4-4-12-16 @ 266 MHz
JEDEC #3 5.0-5-5-15-20 @ 333 MHz
Thank you again for your thoughts, advice and time. Mud
Comments
As far as I know, it is not possible to over-clock this board. You may be able to try a program such as clockgen or maybe even ntune to try to over-clock it some.
I got Clockgen, and it shows my CPU running at 2599 so If thats true, Im not concerned with going any higher.
thanks
mm cpu wise your pretty good
only tweak those intel might have is direct cache access(network)
i1 feature i sure would like to know if an amd 550 corillo got!
i ear this tweak make some good difference.
but its hard to find info wich board support dca since a lot of intel do support it but dont advertise it!
i got direct memory access on my amd but i dont have direct cache access(from network to cache,wich is what intel do)
this might be worth searching for performance boost!
The CPU should ramp up on its own, if clockgen shows it at 2.6ghz it's probably working fine, if it's not then you should go into Control panel -> power settings, and make sure the profile is set to balanced or performance, or bring up the advanced options and check that the CPU throttling is set right.
Balanced profile runs the cpu at 5%-100% depending on load, performance keeps it at 100% at all times.
Also a BIOS update may help if you can verify it's not ramping up. It should be obvious in CPU-z, if you need to put it under load go grab prime95 then watch clock speed in CPU-z or task manager or whatever.
Will do, CPUID and Clockgen show different readings, but my thinking is that, Clockgen wouldn't show that much of a difference, if it weren't so, and CPUID maybe showing .... IDK. I'll do what you said and see.
Oh and Im running xp pro, so trying to find the power setting, it's been a while, just switched from Vista.
I've never used clockgen so not sure what it shows. I'll check it out tomorrow though.
Im not sure, but read some on the subject you bring up, and what I found is it's a server thing, and has to do with warming up packets from server to server, think xeon procs, and some dell servers,anyway it would need to be enabled at both servers. Now please understand that I was a plumber, I am just now learning these things from the forums, and then researching on the net, and slowly upping(hopefully) my understanding.
At any rate another thing I found about it, is that it' is very tricky for even pro's to get an understanding of, also it works best with huge packets, as opposed to small ones.
Past that I didn't see anything (yet), about it being used on PC's or for gaming, but that doesn't mean it ain't so. Seems to be a lot of talk about it, so, would suggest massive research, as even the pro's, have a hard time finding, the straight poop, about it.
And yes it's awesome. And it seems to make data transfer so fast that, it's potential is beyond, many networks, capability.
Im not sure, but read some on the subject you bring up, and what I found is it's a server thing, and has to do with warming up packets from server to server, think xeon procs, and some dell servers,anyway it would need to be enabled at both servers. Now please understand that I was a plumber, I am just now learning these things from the forums, and then researching on the net, and slowly upping(hopefully) my understanding.
At any rate another thing I found about it, is that it' is very tricky for even pro's to get an understanding of, also it works best with huge packets, as opposed to small ones.
Past that I didn't see anything (yet), about it being used on PC's or for gaming, but that doesn't mean it ain't so. Seems to be a lot of talk about it, so, would suggest massive research, as even the pro's, have a hard time finding, the straight poop, about it.
And yes it's awesome. And it seems to make data transfer so fast that, it's potential is beyond, many networks, capability.
yep ,another toy ,like microsoft donnybrook,like 64 bit,and so many other .the thing that annoy me about direct cache access is this fact :even tho intel dont annouce it some forum have been activating this feature on computer that arent specificly server
even the tech didnt understand it lol and the article i read was some it technician .si i guess it will be years before the fog screen clear up on this mather.as for your processor speed its running at peak you can probably gain 10% cpu speed safly
but prcessor nowaday are so fast they are never the bottleneck
Im not sure, but read some on the subject you bring up, and what I found is it's a server thing, and has to do with warming up packets from server to server, think xeon procs, and some dell servers,anyway it would need to be enabled at both servers. Now please understand that I was a plumber, I am just now learning these things from the forums, and then researching on the net, and slowly upping(hopefully) my understanding.
At any rate another thing I found about it, is that it' is very tricky for even pro's to get an understanding of, also it works best with huge packets, as opposed to small ones.
Past that I didn't see anything (yet), about it being used on PC's or for gaming, but that doesn't mean it ain't so. Seems to be a lot of talk about it, so, would suggest massive research, as even the pro's, have a hard time finding, the straight poop, about it.
And yes it's awesome. And it seems to make data transfer so fast that, it's potential is beyond, many networks, capability.
yep ,another toy ,like microsoft donnybrook,like 64 bit,and so many other .the thing that annoy me about direct cache access is this fact :even tho intel dont annouce it some forum have been activating this feature on computer that arent specificly server
even the tech didnt understand it lol and the article i read was some it technician .si i guess it will be years before the fog screen clear up on this mather.as for your processor speed its running at peak you can probably gain 10% cpu speed safly
but prcessor nowaday are so fast they are never the bottleneck
Got it. When I saw the CPUID number it made me think, oh crap I bought a bad proc, but the clockgen kinda re assured me. I can see one program giving me a bad number and another giving me a good, or more accurate number, so I'll find another program, which I can monitor on second screen, while killing Japs, and use the old average mean, and throw out the number which isnt in the ball park with the other two.
Thank you.
the thing that do the freq is the speed time the multiplier
like me if i recal its a 200 megahertz multipllied by 15.5 thats the speed of my processor
very small voltage rise can rise the speed of my processor but shorten its life(and void warranty)
small increase in the multiplier will rise the speed also (most comon)
like mie its a 3.1 gigahertz but it can safely be risen to 3.8 without more cooling
some went to 4.2 without more cooling(i got regular amd proc fan)
but after 3.8 my friend suggest me to find a beetter coolling system
soon ibm will release their 32 bit process to amd (yes ibm as been testing a while their 32 bit toy)
they are at 22 nm .pretty easy for them since they are mostly a research and develloppment company today
they make some but not as much as they used to since lenovo does that now.
give ibm plenty of time to concentrate on their speciality
very high end-technology(stuff regular people only dream of in books!
Ok just downloaded RightMark, cpu clock utility, and it shows each core, running at 1197,with Mulipier FID at 6.0x and the Reg.Vcore VID at 1.1000V. Yet is shows the maximal Muliplier as 13.0x , and maximal Req.Vcore as 1.2750V.
Im wondering if my 667 mghz ram effects this? I have been to the Bios settings and it wont let me chnge the cpu settings.
More reading Im afraid,,,, killing Japs will have to wait, lol.
Oh it also shows that the throttle is set at 1197. So where can I adjust the throttle on XPpro, or can I?
mm dont you have a lower number like 200 mhz or 333 mhz
for your ram req check on intel site or google the motherboard info you get from cpuz or pcwizard2010
it should say the max speed you can put but if i go by memory it should be higher then 667 mhz (ram speed)
probably in the 1000mhz .but google it its safest
or go on
crucial.com and let the scan work it will say exactly what memory is recommended in there.the speed and the bunch of number like 5-5-5-32-2-32 that number is the speed the lower the better(latency)that was till vista and now w7 came a long now with pre-fetch and suprfetch its not a big issue lol,you can safly ignore this to a point .just make sure they are identical
and put them in the proper slot if you change them since every motherboard as their favorite slot.
if they are not matched you will only be going half as fast as you can go so if you got 667 if they arent matched your only going 333 about the speed of a pentium 2 or 3.
So clockgen does show my current CPU speed like CPU-z does. Just watching Hulu which takes a decent amount of CPU power will ramp my cpu multiplier up from 6x to 13.5x and resulting clockspeed from 1ghz to 2.7ghz in CPU-z (as well as a small voltage change).
The max ram freq my board supports is 667, and I have two 1 gig sticks PC2 5300, which were a set. Yet CPUID reading it as 333.
Intel Desktop Board D945GCL Technical Product Specification
10
1.1 Overview
1.1.1 Feature Summary
Table 1 summarizes the major features of the board.
Table 1. Feature Summary
Form Factor microATX (9.60 inches by 9.60 inches [243.84 millimeters by
243.84 millimeters])
Processor Support for the following:
• Intel® Core™2 Duo processor in an LGA775 socket with a 1066 or 800 MHz
system bus
• Intel® Pentium® D processor in an LGA775 socket with an 800 or 533 MHz
system bus
• Intel® Pentium® 4 processor in an LGA775 socket with an 800 or 533 MHz
system bus
• Intel® Celeron® D processor in an LGA775 socket with a 533 MHz system bus
Memory • Two 240-pin DDR2 SDRAM Dual Inline Memory Module (DIMM) sockets
• Support for DDR2 667, DDR2 533, or DDR2 400 MHz DIMMs
• Support for up to 4 GB of system memory
Chipset Intel® 945G Chipset, consisting of:
• Intel® 82945G Graphics Memory Controller Hub (GMCH)
• Intel® 82801GB I/O Controller Hub (ICH7)
Video Intel® GMA950 onboard graphics subsystem
Audio 6-channel (5.1) audio subsystem with three analog audio outputs using the
Sigmatel* 9220 audio codec
Legacy I/O Control Legacy I/O controller for diskette drive, serial, parallel, and PS/2* ports
USB Support for USB 2.0 devices
Peripheral
Interfaces
• Eight USB ports
• One serial port
• One parallel port
• Four Serial ATA interfaces
• One Parallel ATA IDE interface with UDMA 33, ATA-66/100 support
• One diskette drive interface
• PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports
LAN Support 10/100 Mbits/sec LAN subsystem using the Intel® 82562G Platform LAN Connect
(PLC) device
BIOS • Intel® BIOS (resident in the SPI Flash device)
• Support for Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI), Plug and Play,
and SMBIOS
Expansion
Capabilities
• Two PCI Conventional* bus connectors
• One PCI Express* x1 bus add-in card connector
• One PCI Express x16 bus add-in card connector
And here is the info on my RAM even though, I thought PC2 5300, was 667, here on the CPUID report, it sows it running at 333,or am I way cofused?
Memory SPD
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
DIMM # 1
SMBus address 0x50
Memory type DDR2
Module format Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) Melco (7F7F7F8300000000)
Size 1024 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2-5300 (333 MHz)
Part number
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
EPP no
XMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
JEDEC #1 3.0-3-3-9-12 @ 200 MHz
JEDEC #2 4.0-4-4-12-16 @ 266 MHz
JEDEC #3 5.0-5-5-15-20 @ 333 MHz
DIMM # 2
SMBus address 0x52
Memory type DDR2
Module format Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) Melco (7F7F7F8300000000)
Size 1024 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2-5300 (333 MHz)
Part number
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
EPP no
XMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
JEDEC #1 3.0-3-3-9-12 @ 200 MHz
JEDEC #2 4.0-4-4-12-16 @ 266 MHz
JEDEC #3 5.0-5-5-15-20 @ 333 MHz
It's a little confusing, but DDR2-667 runs at 333MHz, and DDR2-800 runs at 400MHz. This is because the '667' isn't MHz but rather the effective data transfer rate, which is 2 transfers per cycle, so 2 * 333MHz = 667.
So your bus speed and everything sounds ok.