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Honestly, my unbiased report of the true STO...
Cerion
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Having finished the tutorial, the first impressions I have are as follows:
- UI is clunky and inelegant in the extreme
- Stuck in combat while a pop up screen blocks my view. Pop up screens are atrocious and beyond annoying.
- If we are to have third person ship control, I do prefer STOs version to EVE's ship control. Much easier.
- Frankly, I DO miss true 3D flight. I had several occasions when I needed to attack something above me, but couldn't so I had to perform this long slow upward spiral. Lame.
- The Borg as trash rats? Really? I remember how afraid I was of them in the movies, and now? I just stand around while a bunch of them swarm me while I switch channels on my Last.fm station.
- Planet Earth and its space station don't rotate! I look out the window, and everything is dead still.
- Speaking of Earth -- yes I understand you need to 'spice' up space a bit, but purple space clouds around Earth? Save it for the exotic places, because you know what? When everything is 'spiced' up, nothing stands out!
- Voice acting horrendous. Was there any kind of filmic directing involved with these actors to give them intentions?
- The ship combat itself wasn't too bad.
- But again -- Borg ships as yard trash Mobs? I'm in EQ killing rats outside Qeynos again, lol.
- Skill and rank advancement was not clear.
- Mission objectives needlessly obscure -- ie why weren't those federation ships showing up on my radar, the ones in which I had to rescue the crew? And the rendezvous ships as well?
- How many times did I have to wait as I was a knee high ship on the ground game, or a giant space alien avatar in the space game? I kid you not I spent perhaps fifteen minutes of my hour and half waiting for my avatars to change, lol.
I suppose I could go on. I'm going to continue through the Open Beta, see if I can't do some Exploration missions at some point, but thus far, even with my really low expectations, STO seemed to sink even lower. I realize I've only seen a glimpse of the game via the Tutorial and a bit of the game afterward, but I knew something was lacking when the Captain of the first ship needed me to repair the comms console. I walk over to the comms console, window pops up, I click on the only choice, and viola the comms control is miraculously fixed! The Comms officer is so beside herself that I was able to click a button to make the thing work when she couldn't, she had to exclaim her amazement with an exclamation point! I did it! However, it felt as though the devs were just mocking me, because I didn't do anything that a monkey couldn't have done just as easily.
There ya go.
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Seems you have completely missed the story about the Borg in the beginning, they are disconnected from the collective.
Nope. Did not miss the story. Does not excuse the fact that they are yard trash rats. Nor that Borg Cubes and spheres are like giant wasps near Felwithe (EQ reference for all you).
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Nope. Did not miss the story. Does not excuse the fact that they are yard trash rats. Nor that Borg Cubes and spheres are like giant wasps near Felwithe (EQ reference for all you).
If you know anything about Star Trek, you would also know that Borg disconnected from the Collective, cannot function correctly, so they are easy prey, it was demonstrated in Voyager.
Nope. Did not miss the story. Does not excuse the fact that they are yard trash rats. Nor that Borg Cubes and spheres are like giant wasps near Felwithe (EQ reference for all you).
If you know anything about Star Trek, you would also know that Borg disconnected from the Collective, cannot function correctly, so they are easy prey, it was demonstrated in Voyager.
Yes, and out of all the lore to stick to, they chose a poor example. Or I suppose a self-serving one that is also poor. I mean, the whole tutorial begs you to feel that adrenaline rush of the early Borg, and yet you're killing rats. I mean, flip that on its head. Imagine the PR team at Cryptic showcasing this entry point into their game, but all the while qualifying it to journalists by saying, "You know, these are the weak Borg, they're not as scary as the originals." No.
But hey, focus on that ONE item out of my list of many things wrong. Knock yourself out.
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I agree with OP. I kill a pile of Borgs and blow up a Borg cube.. before I even have my own ship. That is like putting Onyxia as Hogger and saying "but its a confused dragon!"
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It should be thrown with great force"
the character customization is the only thing I like about this game
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You sir just wrote the funniest thing I have read in a long time.
Thank you.
Nope. Did not miss the story. Does not excuse the fact that they are yard trash rats. Nor that Borg Cubes and spheres are like giant wasps near Felwithe (EQ reference for all you).
If you know anything about Star Trek, you would also know that Borg disconnected from the Collective, cannot function correctly, so they are easy prey, it was demonstrated in Voyager.
Yes, and out of all the lore to stick to, they chose a poor example. Or I suppose a self-serving one that is also poor. I mean, the whole tutorial begs you to feel that adrenaline rush of the early Borg, and yet you're killing rats. I mean, flip that on its head. Imagine the PR team at Cryptic showcasing this entry point into their game, but all the while qualifying it to journalists by saying, "You know, these are the weak Borg, they're not as scary as the originals." No.
But hey, focus on that ONE item out of my list of many things wrong. Knock yourself out.
That matters not. Despite your distaste of Voyager, it is still part of the lore of Star Trek. Therefore, since they based these weak and confused Borg off of that series, it follows the lore. Thus, your point is moot.
Nope. Did not miss the story. Does not excuse the fact that they are yard trash rats. Nor that Borg Cubes and spheres are like giant wasps near Felwithe (EQ reference for all you).
If you know anything about Star Trek, you would also know that Borg disconnected from the Collective, cannot function correctly, so they are easy prey, it was demonstrated in Voyager.
Yes, and out of all the lore to stick to, they chose a poor example. Or I suppose a self-serving one that is also poor. I mean, the whole tutorial begs you to feel that adrenaline rush of the early Borg, and yet you're killing rats. I mean, flip that on its head. Imagine the PR team at Cryptic showcasing this entry point into their game, but all the while qualifying it to journalists by saying, "You know, these are the weak Borg, they're not as scary as the originals." No.
But hey, focus on that ONE item out of my list of many things wrong. Knock yourself out.
That matters not. Despite your distaste of Voyager, it is still part of the lore of Star Trek. Therefore, since they based these weak and confused Borg off of that series, it follows the lore. Thus, your point is moot.
Never said I disliked Voyager. In fact, Voyager is one of my favorite series -- third in fact behind the OS and TNG. However I thought what they Voyager did with the Borg was kinda lame. STO could have easily reversed that story line by having the Borg advance during the intervening years, but instead STO wants to use Borg as yard trash rats, and thus cheapen a cool alien race even further.
Whether this makes a point moot or not is debatable. But thankfully I have a whole list of additional points unrelated to Borg.
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You sir just wrote the funniest thing I have read in a long time.
Thank you.
but I don't agree with his assessment at all.
why not help blow up a borg ship at that level? Problem with these games is there are too many "kill rats" quests at low lvls.
They made the same mistake in the LOTRO starter tutorial when a troll comes and you get to sit there dazed only to have NPC Elrond take it down. Why not help take it down and feel that you are actually useful?
I don't have problems with story meaningful storybased quests at low lvl.
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This is a good point.
I've often seen the complaint that RPGs (and by extension, MMORPGs) don't let the player feel heroic; that we're constantly being forced to "kill 10 rats" for an idle farmer, or other equally banal and inconsequentally petty tasks. I've made the complaint myself in regards to LOTRO .. "Why am I delivering pie?".
STO does this right, imo. What's more "heroic" than helping take down borg cubes at level 1?
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Thanks, it was meant to be a bit tongue and cheek, which is why I put the over-used words of 'honestly, unbiased, and truth' in the title.
And while I agree that every report is biased, some more so than others. The more facts you have, the less biased something becomes.
With regard to STO, I tried to find positives. I honestly did. Whether anyone believes that or not, meh. As I said, I felt the ship operation was better than EVE's ship operation. It always bothered me in EVE that I just couldn't "FLY" my ship around -- didn't like the point and click system.
I also be looking for more positives as I try to discover how to use the Exploration system.
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Never said I disliked Voyager. In fact, Voyager is one of my favorite series -- third in fact behind the OS and TNG. However I thought what they Voyager did with the Borg was kinda lame. STO could have easily reversed that story line by having the Borg advance during the intervening years, but instead STO wants to use Borg as yard trash rats, and thus cheapen a cool alien race even further.
Whether this makes a point moot or not is debatable. But thankfully I have a whole list of additional points unrelated to Borg.
Is it not true that all of your gripes came from the tutorial? Even if STO is a shallow game which it seems to be, there's a lot more under the surface than a simple tutorial, which was really short to begin with. I understand that you can dislike some aspects after having played for a few minutes. However you said you looked for the good. How is that so if you didn't even wait to get into the game before writing a review on it?
You're entitled to your opinion, so I have no problem that you don't like STO. I just can't see writing a review on a game based on a tutorial.
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You sir just wrote the funniest thing I have read in a long time.
Thank you.
but I don't agree with his assessment at all.
why not help blow up a borg ship at that level? Problem with these games is there are too many "kill rats" quests at low lvls.
They made the same mistake in the LOTRO starter tutorial when a troll comes and you get to sit there dazed only to have NPC Elrond take it down. Why not help take it down and feel that you are actually useful?
I don't have problems with story meaningful storybased quests at low lvl.
you're, like, only level 2. why help kill the troll? you would die, in the lore. that's why you didn't kill the troll. I mean...Gandalf had to come. And you can also bypass that area if you want to.
Best Quote Ever
You sir just wrote the funniest thing I have read in a long time.
Thank you.
but I don't agree with his assessment at all.
why not help blow up a borg ship at that level? Problem with these games is there are too many "kill rats" quests at low lvls.
They made the same mistake in the LOTRO starter tutorial when a troll comes and you get to sit there dazed only to have NPC Elrond take it down. Why not help take it down and feel that you are actually useful?
I don't have problems with story meaningful storybased quests at low lvl.
you're, like, only level 2. why help kill the troll? you would die, in the lore. that's why you didn't kill the troll. I mean...Gandalf had to come. And you can also bypass that area if you want to.
You misunderstand.
I don't want to bypass the area.
My opinion is that it's ok to "help" and be part of the solution. We are a bit too caught up in the idea of levels.
if you look at the books, merry and pippin and sam help in Moria. But quite frankly they don't have a huge amount of combat experience before that.
But they are capable and have passion and are of course fighting for their lives.
Do all trolls have to be lvl 20+? Why can't their be a lvl 3 troll? Certainly there aren't any hard and fast rules that trolls have to all be THE most powerful. Maybe this troll is sick, has the flu, not up to his/her Troll best?
For the sake of story I don't have any issues allow low lvl players be part of the solution for a story based mission if it is needed. It's not very exciting to be on the lvl to only kill rats.
And if, in the LOTRO example, my character was in such danger from these beings, as we clearly see one in the Elf instance through the gates, we should have been told to run. But no, we are told that they are glad to have us there as our (current) skill is needed.
It's not like we are talking about a Nazgul, we are talking about a troll of which there can be many different types of trolls.
So back on topic, same for a borg ship. I'm sure there are some borg ships that are exceptionally powerful. maybe this one has issues.
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Best Quote Ever
You sir just wrote the funniest thing I have read in a long time.
Thank you.
but I don't agree with his assessment at all.
why not help blow up a borg ship at that level? Problem with these games is there are too many "kill rats" quests at low lvls.
They made the same mistake in the LOTRO starter tutorial when a troll comes and you get to sit there dazed only to have NPC Elrond take it down. Why not help take it down and feel that you are actually useful?
I don't have problems with story meaningful storybased quests at low lvl.
you're, like, only level 2. why help kill the troll? you would die, in the lore. that's why you didn't kill the troll. I mean...Gandalf had to come. And you can also bypass that area if you want to.
You misunderstand.
I don't want to bypass the area.
My opinion is that it's ok to "help" and be part of the solution. We are a bit too caught up in the idea of levels.
if you look at the books, merry and pippin and sam help in Moria. But quite frankly they don't have a huge amount of combat experience before that.
But they are capable and have passion and are of course fighting for their lives.
Do all trolls have to be lvl 20+? Why can't their be a lvl 3 troll? Certainly there aren't any hard and fast rules that trolls have to all be THE most powerful. Maybe this troll is sick, has the flu, not up to his/her Troll best?
For the sake of story I don't have any issues allow low lvl players be part of the solution for a story based mission if it is needed. It's not very exciting to be on the lvl to only kill rats.
And if, in the LOTRO example, my character was in such danger from these beings, as we clearly see one in the Elf instance through the gates, we should have been told to run. But no, we are told that they are glad to have us there as our (current) skill is needed.
It's not like we are talking about a Nazgul, we are talking about a troll of which there can be many different types of trolls.
So back on topic, same for a borg ship. I'm sure there are some borg ships that are exceptionally powerful. maybe this one has issues.
Sure Sovrath, I'll buy that line of reasoning. I see what you're saying, and I actually agree with it to some extent. But the Borg as rats just sticks in my craw -- I knew we were likely to have these types of yard trash, I just didn't think they would use Borg for it. A bunch of wimpy Klingons? Sure. They're easy to find -- I kid, I kid.
Thanks for bringing a reasoned thought into my thread.
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You sir just wrote the funniest thing I have read in a long time.
Thank you.
Must not read much, huh?
I'm sorry I found that hilarious and worthy of note. I did not think I would get flamed for telling someone they made my day/week, but I guess this *is* mmorpg.com.
Nope. Did not miss the story. Does not excuse the fact that they are yard trash rats. Nor that Borg Cubes and spheres are like giant wasps near Felwithe (EQ reference for all you).
If you know anything about Star Trek, you would also know that Borg disconnected from the Collective, cannot function correctly, so they are easy prey, it was demonstrated in Voyager.
Yes, and out of all the lore to stick to, they chose a poor example. Or I suppose a self-serving one that is also poor. I mean, the whole tutorial begs you to feel that adrenaline rush of the early Borg, and yet you're killing rats. I mean, flip that on its head. Imagine the PR team at Cryptic showcasing this entry point into their game, but all the while qualifying it to journalists by saying, "You know, these are the weak Borg, they're not as scary as the originals." No.
But hey, focus on that ONE item out of my list of many things wrong. Knock yourself out.
That matters not. Despite your distaste of Voyager, it is still part of the lore of Star Trek. Therefore, since they based these weak and confused Borg off of that series, it follows the lore. Thus, your point is moot.
Never said I disliked Voyager. In fact, Voyager is one of my favorite series -- third in fact behind the OS and TNG. However I thought what they Voyager did with the Borg was kinda lame. STO could have easily reversed that story line by having the Borg advance during the intervening years, but instead STO wants to use Borg as yard trash rats, and thus cheapen a cool alien race even further.
Whether this makes a point moot or not is debatable. But thankfully I have a whole list of additional points unrelated to Borg.
Actually the Borg in the begining are kinda like last years model in the story of STO. The story explains why they are weak and pretty much newb trash. As you progress later into the game you find out the Borg have evolved far beyond what you fought in the tutorial. The tutorial Borg are left over antiques.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Nope. Did not miss the story. Does not excuse the fact that they are yard trash rats. Nor that Borg Cubes and spheres are like giant wasps near Felwithe (EQ reference for all you).
If you know anything about Star Trek, you would also know that Borg disconnected from the Collective, cannot function correctly, so they are easy prey, it was demonstrated in Voyager.
Yes, and out of all the lore to stick to, they chose a poor example. Or I suppose a self-serving one that is also poor. I mean, the whole tutorial begs you to feel that adrenaline rush of the early Borg, and yet you're killing rats. I mean, flip that on its head. Imagine the PR team at Cryptic showcasing this entry point into their game, but all the while qualifying it to journalists by saying, "You know, these are the weak Borg, they're not as scary as the originals." No.
But hey, focus on that ONE item out of my list of many things wrong. Knock yourself out.
That matters not. Despite your distaste of Voyager, it is still part of the lore of Star Trek. Therefore, since they based these weak and confused Borg off of that series, it follows the lore. Thus, your point is moot.
Never said I disliked Voyager. In fact, Voyager is one of my favorite series -- third in fact behind the OS and TNG. However I thought what they Voyager did with the Borg was kinda lame. STO could have easily reversed that story line by having the Borg advance during the intervening years, but instead STO wants to use Borg as yard trash rats, and thus cheapen a cool alien race even further.
Whether this makes a point moot or not is debatable. But thankfully I have a whole list of additional points unrelated to Borg.
Actually the Borg in the begining are kinda like last years model in the story of STO. The story explains why they are weak and pretty much newb trash. As you progress later into the game you find out the Borg have evolved far beyond what you fought in the tutorial. The tutorial Borg are left over antiques.
I can see the reasoning, but I'm completely with the OP on this. The concept of the Borg is one of the things I respect in the Star Trek lore - they are sincerely terrifying in concept and portrayal.
Even with an explanation, Borg as newb trash is a particularly stupid idea. It sounds like Cryptic is treating Star Trek lore much like the way Turbine treated the Lord of the Rings lore, and that drove me nuts.
This idea that you should be able to feel like a hero from the start, defeating trolls in LOTRO at level 2 for example is strange to me. Isn't the whole sense of progression in MMOs that you *become* a hero, not start as one???
I find most player reviews on mmorpg.com to be useless, both the pros and the cons. The ones like this are particularly useless when the author stops to write the tripe after only a few minutes of play time. I'd recommend to anyone wanting a review, to play the OP for themselves, read reviews at credible sources, or finally, just read what the publisher writes on the box.
On the whole Borg thing - since everyone seems to be focused on it - the majority of the STO endgame is Borg, they are the toughest things to kill in STO, which is reflective of the series. The borg stuff you destroy at the start is damaged and has been hit by like 60 federation ships, it's not you soloing a fully-functional borg cube.
Of all the issues with the game, I really don't think that one is even worth mentioning.
Of course then we get into me destroying 3 birds of prey and 2 massive klingon cruisers in my tiny miranda (or w/e), so I think we'll just have to accept this sort of thing.
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So very true. It's always a good idea to either play the game yourself or at least look at the videos that are available on youtube from gamers. That way you at least have a visual to go off of rather than a biased source with an agenda.
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And to add, as a Klingon character, there are mmo/mmorpg primitive staples that for the life of me, I cant understand why they would have been left off the canvas, unless the intention is so that the impressionist art-work (STO) was the impression of amateurish.
Lacks community communication, community cooperation, dynamic encounters, industry, diplomacy, economy, character skill specialty and differentiation, action rewards, action consequences, player crews, non-combat missions, non-combat zones, exploration, engaging story-lines. etc.
But as some would say launch is a week or 2 away, and perhaps this open beta experience is a cruel joke.
While I agree with the OP's opinion on much of what was posted, I have to disagree that the game is "repetitve". Having put in somewhere over 40 hours into the game from Closed Beta forward, I say that there are a lot of things that are NOT repetitive. But I digress. I just wanted to point out that:
Does STO have bugs? Yes.
Is STO playable as is? Yes.
Is STO fun as is? Depends upon the type of game you like to play. For me, yes.
Will STO improve? Yes.
Should people want to play this MMO? Yes.
Are there any negatives about STO? Yes, but those are a matter of opinion in most cases.
Let's party like it is 1863!
the thing is though if you took away the StarTrek Emblems and sounds you wouldnt know it was a Star Trek game. Yes its playable but its not an improvement upon or even minimally different from anything already on the market. And what STO does is done better by other games.
I loved Star Trek but the name and the "Star Trekkie" words and sounds are not enough.