Your observance takes all i said and throws it away , just to restart from the begining using arguments against me i just tried to push away by explainign why i did what i did.
1) if you really love this game and think the original poster is a "troller" (funny expression by the way) , why dont you try to read something from his absolutely "amazing" nr of posts consiting of 54 , so you can create an idea about the type of player he is , its pretty easy .
But you know what , human nature is the way it is . it believes only what it wants to , and tries to find reinforcement for it even if the opposite proof lies just in front of his eyes.
i cant change your/any mind , and i wont even attempt to further more . fact of the matter is , that this whole discussion started because of the info lack , if many would have had that very info things and replies would have been different and based on own personal facts . Not on blind promises and wishes . Believe what you want if it makes you sleep better at night
----------------------------- "Neon Light" Eon Night
As some things can be right and useless, can't some things be wrong and priceless? -Viktor Suikoden I
There is quite alot of distorted truths and half-truths going on for both sides of the argument. Alot of misleading information is running rampant in this thread, which can be very bad for the game. I suggest everyone take everything with a grain of salt and wait until more information is released via "official" sources, or from the beta testers when the NDA is lifted.
Originally posted by Raknar I find it hard to believe you were "just looking for info" when you selectively grab only the negative points from an early impression, leave out the positives, then just post those negatives without giving sources. Sounds like just a troll attempt to me. I am not stating this as a fanboi, but merely as a neutral observer. I don't have much vested in DnL. I hope it lives up to the promises, but there is far to little for me to make a judgement yet. I am afraid this may end up being vapourware. I sincerely hope not. But even from that point of view, I feel the OP was trolling. I am also skeptical that npCube gave that other site permision to post info about the game when there is almost nothing on the official site, and added to this, the NDA is so strict that beta testers are not even allowed to state that they are beta testers. Added to this is the escuse that they didn't activate the second account because they wanted to give a second impression at a later date. Well, could they not give that second impression with the same account as they gave the first one? It seems to me that they broke NDA to get traffic to their site and are reserving the second beta account for later because they knew they would lose the first one. So they have a second account under some as yet unnamed person so they can break NDA again later.
You know what's great? You point your finger at others for "trolling" and as of right now, you've got 1 Post since August of 2003, and it's to gripe and moan and whine about conspiracy theories. Who's the troll here?
Also, I may as well point out that your conjecture of the story of teh second account is far off base. I had to wait till I got a bit more RAM to activate my account, as this game currently requires 750 MB, which I did not have at the time. Jeff's account is still active, by the way. Nice try, though.
Originally posted by Nibelheim Originally posted by Raknar I find it hard to believe you were "just looking for info" when you selectively grab only the negative points from an early impression, leave out the positives, then just post those negatives without giving sources. Sounds like just a troll attempt to me. I am not stating this as a fanboi, but merely as a neutral observer. I don't have much vested in DnL. I hope it lives up to the promises, but there is far to little for me to make a judgement yet. I am afraid this may end up being vapourware. I sincerely hope not. But even from that point of view, I feel the OP was trolling. I am also skeptical that npCube gave that other site permision to post info about the game when there is almost nothing on the official site, and added to this, the NDA is so strict that beta testers are not even allowed to state that they are beta testers. Added to this is the escuse that they didn't activate the second account because they wanted to give a second impression at a later date. Well, could they not give that second impression with the same account as they gave the first one? It seems to me that they broke NDA to get traffic to their site and are reserving the second beta account for later because they knew they would lose the first one. So they have a second account under some as yet unnamed person so they can break NDA again later.
You know what's great? You point your finger at others for "trolling" and as of right now, you've got 1 Post since August of 2003, and it's to gripe and moan and whine about conspiracy theories. Who's the troll here?
Also, I may as well point out that your conjecture of the story of teh second account is far off base. I had to wait till I got a bit more RAM to activate my account, as this game currently requires 750 MB, which I did not have at the time. Jeff's account is still active, by the way. Nice try, though.
I see we have a tech expert here.... It is impossible to have 750mb RAM. Modern ram only comes in 128mb,256mb,512mb,1gb sticks- add any combo, its impossible to have 750mb. Either way, I doubt a game would make a requirement a odd combo like 768mb. I dont know, mabye your confusing hard drive and memory.....
Originally posted by DerfelCadarn Originally posted by Nibelheim Originally posted by Raknar I find it hard to believe you were "just looking for info" when you selectively grab only the negative points from an early impression, leave out the positives, then just post those negatives without giving sources. Sounds like just a troll attempt to me. I am not stating this as a fanboi, but merely as a neutral observer. I don't have much vested in DnL. I hope it lives up to the promises, but there is far to little for me to make a judgement yet. I am afraid this may end up being vapourware. I sincerely hope not. But even from that point of view, I feel the OP was trolling. I am also skeptical that npCube gave that other site permision to post info about the game when there is almost nothing on the official site, and added to this, the NDA is so strict that beta testers are not even allowed to state that they are beta testers. Added to this is the escuse that they didn't activate the second account because they wanted to give a second impression at a later date. Well, could they not give that second impression with the same account as they gave the first one? It seems to me that they broke NDA to get traffic to their site and are reserving the second beta account for later because they knew they would lose the first one. So they have a second account under some as yet unnamed person so they can break NDA again later.
You know what's great? You point your finger at others for "trolling" and as of right now, you've got 1 Post since August of 2003, and it's to gripe and moan and whine about conspiracy theories. Who's the troll here?
Also, I may as well point out that your conjecture of the story of teh second account is far off base. I had to wait till I got a bit more RAM to activate my account, as this game currently requires 750 MB, which I did not have at the time. Jeff's account is still active, by the way. Nice try, though.
I see we have a tech expert here.... It is impossible to have 750mb RAM. Modern ram only comes in 128mb,256mb,512mb,1gb sticks- add any combo, its impossible to have 750mb. Either way, I doubt a game would make a requirement a odd combo like 768mb. I dont know, mabye your confusing hard drive and memory.....
Actually, I meant exactly what I said. Here's a snippet from the beta testing manual: "Recommended Configuration 2.5 GHz processor, 750 Mb RAM (reduced to 512 Mb by release), DirectX 9 video card (ATI 9xxx, GeFX 59xx, X800, FX68xx). The engine is slow with some cards like FX5600; we advise you to decrease resolution to 800x600 if you experience such problems."
You are almost right, as my total RAM is now 768, but I was exactly correct is stating the requirements.
Originally posted by Nibelheim Originally posted by DerfelCadarn Originally posted by Nibelheim Originally posted by Raknar I find it hard to believe you were "just looking for info" when you selectively grab only the negative points from an early impression, leave out the positives, then just post those negatives without giving sources. Sounds like just a troll attempt to me. I am not stating this as a fanboi, but merely as a neutral observer. I don't have much vested in DnL. I hope it lives up to the promises, but there is far to little for me to make a judgement yet. I am afraid this may end up being vapourware. I sincerely hope not. But even from that point of view, I feel the OP was trolling. I am also skeptical that npCube gave that other site permision to post info about the game when there is almost nothing on the official site, and added to this, the NDA is so strict that beta testers are not even allowed to state that they are beta testers. Added to this is the escuse that they didn't activate the second account because they wanted to give a second impression at a later date. Well, could they not give that second impression with the same account as they gave the first one? It seems to me that they broke NDA to get traffic to their site and are reserving the second beta account for later because they knew they would lose the first one. So they have a second account under some as yet unnamed person so they can break NDA again later.
You know what's great? You point your finger at others for "trolling" and as of right now, you've got 1 Post since August of 2003, and it's to gripe and moan and whine about conspiracy theories. Who's the troll here?
Also, I may as well point out that your conjecture of the story of teh second account is far off base. I had to wait till I got a bit more RAM to activate my account, as this game currently requires 750 MB, which I did not have at the time. Jeff's account is still active, by the way. Nice try, though.
I see we have a tech expert here.... It is impossible to have 750mb RAM. Modern ram only comes in 128mb,256mb,512mb,1gb sticks- add any combo, its impossible to have 750mb. Either way, I doubt a game would make a requirement a odd combo like 768mb. I dont know, mabye your confusing hard drive and memory.....
Actually, I meant exactly what I said. Here's a snippet from the beta testing manual: "Recommended Configuration 2.5 GHz processor, 750 Mb RAM (reduced to 512 Mb by release), DirectX 9 video card (ATI 9xxx, GeFX 59xx, X800, FX68xx). The engine is slow with some cards like FX5600; we advise you to decrease resolution to 800x600 if you experience such problems."
You are almost right, as my total RAM is now 768, but I was exactly correct is stating the requirements.
Well, then your friends at DnL are technically retarded. It is impossible to have 750mb of ram. And btw, those are recommended, not required. So they didnt make a odd combo like 768 the needed ammount.
Originally posted by DerfelCadarn Well, then your friends at DnL are technically retarded. It is impossible to have 750mb of ram. And btw, those are recommended, not required. So they didnt make a odd combo like 768 the needed ammount.
Either way, I want to see the game in its ideal form, as I want to give as accurate a portrayal as possible.
Fact is, the manual, which I quoted, says 750. Thus, I upgraded to 768.
I see we have a tech expert here.... It is impossible to have 750mb RAM. Modern ram only comes in 128mb,256mb,512mb,1gb sticks- add any combo, its impossible to have 750mb. Either way, I doubt a game would make a requirement a odd combo like 768mb. I dont know, mabye your confusing hard drive and memory.....
i'm sooo glad you have just proven yourself to be tarded and completely ignorant,deserving nothing but a /ignore command.
thx for saving me the hasle of refuting your every argument, by pointing out in a brilliant remark that having 750~ MB ram is impossible. thank you ,you just saved me 5 mins of writing.
Hate to jump in, but I can't help but say something at the fact that you consider 768 MB af ram such an odd combination. It's not odd at all to me really. Most computer motherboards have 2 to 4 ram slots. On a 4 slot board, you could use three 256 MB modules, -OR- a 512 MB module, and a 256 module -OR- a 512 MB module and two 128 MB Modules -OR- a 512 MB module, a 128 MB module, two 64 MB modules, -OR- two 256 MB modules and two 128 MB modules to come up with 768 MB of total ram. With two ram slots, you could simply use a 512 MB module and a 256 MB module to come up with the "odd" 768 MB of computer memory. I guess I don't understand how you think that 768 MB of ram is so odd. Unless you mean anything other then two twin sized modules making up your total memory as "odd". Lots of people don't have evenly sized memory modules in their systems. Also, I'd much rather a game tell me the minimum specs are 768 MB of ram if that is correct and it will run with 768MB then to just round it up so it's not "odd" as you say and make a 1 GB of ram as the minimum. There is a lot of cost different between 768 and 1024 MB of memory, especially if you have say 2 slots and already have 768 with a 512 and a 256, making the requirements "not odd" would mean that a person would have to go buy another expensive 512 stick of ram, and just have a 256 MB stick sitting around collecting dust.
it's very odd to have 768mb of system ram to me. My mobo has 2 dual channel ddr slots, so in order for it to work at optimum performance I only use 2 sticks of ram that are the same size. It's not very odd however for a game to have that for recommended configuration(although i think any ram under 1 gb is very insufficient for pretty much any new game coming out, hell even one year ago it was insufficient).
btw why the hell is someone from rpgamer coming on here and arguing about system specs like a little kid? those guys just keep digging themselves deeper and deeper holes... I really do find it odd that this mediocre little site was the ONLY site to get the NDA lifted for impressions. But it doesn't matter either way, I never take any review/preview from a gaming site seriously, even tho they say theyre all unbiased, they really aren't. Just look at how many sites gave Halo 1 a perfect score(HAIL MICRO$OFT!), and it was FAR from a perfect game.
I see we have a tech expert here.... It is impossible to have 750mb RAM. Modern ram only comes in 128mb,256mb,512mb,1gb sticks- add any combo, its impossible to have 750mb. Either way, I doubt a game would make a requirement a odd combo like 768mb. I dont know, mabye your confusing hard drive and memory.....
i'm sooo glad you have just proven yourself to be tarded and completely ignorant,deserving nothing but a /ignore command. thx for saving me the hasle of refuting your every argument, by pointing out in a brilliant remark that having 750~ MB ram is impossible.thank you ,you just saved me 5 mins of writing. /bow
Hey dumbshit, tell me how with 128mb, 256mb, 512mb, and 1gb sticks a combo of 750mb is possible. Better check your math skills. It is impossible to have 750mb with modern memory.
before you go slinging out insults about some irrelevant facts you should at least make sure you have your facts straight. im sure by saying 750mb they mean ~750mb... christ boy even 128mb, 256mb, 512mb, and 1gb sticks are not the exact size of the sticks, if you actually look at your ram in your bios it doesnt add upp to those perfect multiples of 2. Take a 256mb stick for example, throw it in a machine and watch it check the size of the memory, it will go up to 268...kb i dont remember the exact numbers but it really doesnt matter, i know when i hear someone saying 750mb they are saying "around" 750mb.
I have never seen a developer give ram ammounts that arent around. The sticks are of sometimes rounded yes, but giving something "around" 750 is just stupid. Check your system info or cpu-z they all give the ammount of ram you have rounded. Either way, it is normal 1-3mbs either way, never as much as 16.
Maybe he sawed an inch or two off his ram stick to even it out to 750M.
Why don't the mmorpg.com beta winners break the nda and tell us what they think? Oh yeah, and don't forget to tell us the install size - cause that really REALLY matters!!
Size of a world has no bearing on how much time it takes to cross the world - that is totally dependent upon your speed.
Originally posted by Deathicx right but now we're discussing the credibilty of the afore-mentioned article... oh and for the record, "listening" to bob marley is like scraping nails across a chalkboard.
HOW DARE YOU!!!! BOB MARLEY WILL STRIKE YOU DOWN FROM THE HEAVENS FOR EVEN SUGGESTING THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go check his album Legend, its the only really good one he pulled out before he died. The rest come from vinil and give that scratchy noise.
Originally posted by Nibelheim Either way, I want to see the game in its ideal form, as I want to give as accurate a portrayal as possible. Fact is, the manual, which I quoted, says 750. Thus, I upgraded to 768.
So what you are saying is that "Jeff", or whomever was making the decisions for RPGamer, did NOT want to upgrade and give as accurate a portrayal as possible. He did say that he was using 512mb, did he not? And in the post before this one you were flaming a dastardly troll for having a limited post count, much like myself, but fail to realize you, the stated member of a "professional" organization with "standards" have resorted to a flame war on a competitors site.
The fact is that RPGamer has reviewed a closed beta with a tester who has little gaming experience(or interest), on a machine that you yourself have now shown to be incapable of giving an accurate portrayal, on a site that is run by folks who will flame with the mightiest of trolls. All of this information is information you have provided, not I. That, is an unbiased account of this situation, and perhaps the first unbiased account we have seen.
Originally posted by Nibelheim Either way, I want to see the game in its ideal form, as I want to give as accurate a portrayal as possible. Fact is, the manual, which I quoted, says 750. Thus, I upgraded to 768.
So what you are saying is that "Jeff", or whomever was making the decisions for RPGamer, did NOT want to upgrade and give as accurate a portrayal as possible. He did say that he was using 512mb, did he not?
I did not say that. Nice putting words in my mouth. In any case, is it wrong to have one impression from a guy who meets the minimum reqs and another from a guy who meets the recommended? Would that not be an aspect of giving an accurate representation of the game?
And in the post before this one you were flaming a dastardly troll for having a limited post count,
Hrm, you certainly have a crafty way of bending the truth. I was not "flaming" anyone for having a low post count. That poster, Raknar, was calling other people trolls when the fact was he'd been a member for a year and a half and just decided to post now. And to do what? Make up lame Bullsh*t. If he's going to point fingers, why not point back? much like myself, but fail to realize you, the stated member of a "professional" organization with "standards" have resorted to a flame war on a competitors site. [/quote]
You try running a website, and then having someone show up and spew lies about your Public Relations with game companies, and not even lift a finger to tell people the truth.
The fact is that RPGamer has reviewed a closed beta
What? We have? Where? I see a "Beta Impression," but there is no review to be found. This is the first in a series of ongoing impressions of the various stages in the beta testing--not a review. Here's what a review looks like: http://www.rpgamer.com/pointsofview/updates/2005/020605.html. We have not reviewed Dark and Light.
with a tester who has little gaming experience(or interest),
He was actually quite pleased when he found out we'd be testing DnL.
on a machine that you yourself have now shown to be incapable of giving an accurate portrayal,
I did not say Jeff's machine was incapable. If it was up to minimum reqs, how is it incapable? I wanted mine to be up to recommended--so what?
on a site that is run by folks who will flame with the mightiest of trolls.
There's a difference between flaming and defending yourself. If I came on and said that I didn't believe you ever had the conversation you say you had with a publisher's PR rep, and then called someone else a troll, I certainly hope you'd make the truth known. Also, if my going so was my first and only post in over a year, I hope you'd call me out, by all means. Such things do need to be addressed once in a while. Also, for someone with a know-it-all tone such as yours, I find it quite self-contradictory of you to judge an entire website by one or two members of the near 40 that make up the staff.
All of this information is information you have provided, not I.
[/quote] And all of these statements have been bent and twisted by you, not I.
It is your perogative to call it a beta impression, but tell me, what difference is there between a beta impression and a beta review? I follow your link:
What is different? Perhaps that one game is complete and the other is in beta? Whether or not Jeff was "pleased" does not speak to whether or not he is capable of judging gameplay. That is you, "bending" the truth.
No, you did not say that his machine was incapable, but you DID imply that upgrade was necessary to give an accurate portrayal. He did not upgrade, but I MUST accept his "portrayal" as accurate? If you dare imply, do not mock me for the same.
Also, for someone with a know-it-all tone such as yours, I find it quite self-contradictory of you to judge an entire website by one or two members of the near 40 that make up the staff.
And, as always, the first person to look to insult to prove his point.... loses. Professional is making statements in a manner that is neither flamatory or insulting. I could have very easily went into the details of the faults I find with RPGamer, it is no secret that I have taken the time to examine the content. I didn't do that. My issue was with the credibility of a review "yes, a review" of an incomplete game, and the possible reasoning behind such an action. I am sorry you do not like my tone, or my attitude. I am apologetic that profanity and insults are the method that you prefer to rationale and reasoning. I am most apologetic that at this point RPGamer, you, and Jeff are all measured and found lacking when it comes to credibility on this matter.
"It is your perogative to call it a beta impression, but tell me, what difference is there between a beta impression and a beta review?" One would be that we have never done a beta review. We, much like any other site, only review full games, as that only makes sense. They are evaluated in their final form and given a numerical grade. This is not the case for incomplete games. For demos and betas, we may give an impression, being an early look at the game's pre-publishing progress. This is not exclusive to RPGamer, and pretty standard around game media outlets. "No, you did not say that his machine was incapable, but you DID imply that upgrade was necessary to give an accurate portrayal." --> Yeah, necessary for ME to play with the sepcs at which I'd like to.
"He did not upgrade, but I MUST accept his "portrayal" as accurate? If you dare imply, do not mock me for the same." --> Actually, I do remember hearing Jeff speak of buying a new video card before starting this game. Heh, so much for your conjecture of his not upgrading Furthermore, he met the requirments; what's your problem?
how on earth has this thread not been locked yet? it completely consists of "who is more believable?" or "no you're more wrong!" and lets not forget the ever-present "quote somebodies post, break it down, and point out where they misinterpreted/misquoted/flamed/lied"
i'm pretty sure everything to be said on the topic has been said
It hasn't been locked yet because it is funny and entertaining to watch it continue to unfold and change colors and shape completely... One never knows what the next argument will be in this thread. Perhaps we shall have two members arguing over who's burger is bigger and jucier? McDonalds or Burger Kings? Or maybe we'll get an in detail heated argument over whos girlfriend is prettier, smarter, and sexier.
i'm pretty sure everything to be said on the topic has been said
No, you you noob, this is where you are wrong and obviously a complete noobzer. Not everything has been said yet. I fail to see any mention of King Kong, hangnails, or the price of ice cream in Italy yet. ...Like "Duhhh"
Let the Jerry Springer style ambushing with shoe throwing and insults continue. Some of us enjoy the cheapest form of entertainment, especially when watching a decent boxing match nowdays costs a viewer $49.95 pay-per-view on average.
Nib I don't even know why you replied to the guy. If he can't tell the difference between a review and a beta impression. That should have warned you right there. I've read the impressions, and honestly don't see why a few people in this thread got bent out of shape. It's not like their site is the only site to ever put up beta impressions of a game.
In War - Victory. In Peace - Vigilance. In Death - Sacrifice.
I think the point is that a beta "impression" should involve a proper objective critical appraisal just as a review should. Obviously an impression is not a final analysis of a subject and can be revisited and revised (just as reviews for mmorpgs should be!).
If the rpggamer.com impression can't do that (although i'm not necessarily saying that) because eg. the reviewer didn't have sufficient RAM or he's an inexperienced reviewer then we should ignore it.
However,i would urge a few more DnL betatesters to come forward and let us know what they think. Come on break that NDA you know you want to
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Your observance takes all i said and throws it away , just to restart from the begining using arguments against me i just tried to push away by explainign why i did what i did.
1) if you really love this game and think the original poster is a "troller" (funny expression by the way) , why dont you try to read something from his absolutely "amazing" nr of posts consiting of 54 , so you can create an idea about the type of player he is , its pretty easy .
But you know what , human nature is the way it is . it believes only what it wants to , and tries to find reinforcement for it even if the opposite proof lies just in front of his eyes.
i cant change your/any mind , and i wont even attempt to further more . fact of the matter is , that this whole discussion started because of the info lack , if many would have had that very info things and replies would have been different and based on own personal facts .
Not on blind promises and wishes .
Believe what you want if it makes you sleep better at night
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"Neon Light" Eon Night
As some things can be right and useless, can't some things be wrong and priceless? -Viktor Suikoden I
Also, I may as well point out that your conjecture of the story of teh second account is far off base. I had to wait till I got a bit more RAM to activate my account, as this game currently requires 750 MB, which I did not have at the time. Jeff's account is still active, by the way. Nice try, though.
Also, I may as well point out that your conjecture of the story of teh second account is far off base. I had to wait till I got a bit more RAM to activate my account, as this game currently requires 750 MB, which I did not have at the time. Jeff's account is still active, by the way. Nice try, though.
I see we have a tech expert here.... It is impossible to have 750mb RAM. Modern ram only comes in 128mb,256mb,512mb,1gb sticks- add any combo, its impossible to have 750mb. Either way, I doubt a game would make a requirement a odd combo like 768mb. I dont know, mabye your confusing hard drive and memory.....
Also, I may as well point out that your conjecture of the story of teh second account is far off base. I had to wait till I got a bit more RAM to activate my account, as this game currently requires 750 MB, which I did not have at the time. Jeff's account is still active, by the way. Nice try, though.
I see we have a tech expert here.... It is impossible to have 750mb RAM. Modern ram only comes in 128mb,256mb,512mb,1gb sticks- add any combo, its impossible to have 750mb. Either way, I doubt a game would make a requirement a odd combo like 768mb. I dont know, mabye your confusing hard drive and memory.....
Actually, I meant exactly what I said. Here's a snippet from the beta testing manual:
"Recommended Configuration
2.5 GHz processor, 750 Mb RAM (reduced to 512 Mb by release), DirectX 9 video card (ATI 9xxx, GeFX 59xx, X800, FX68xx). The engine is slow with some cards like FX5600; we advise you to decrease resolution to 800x600 if you experience such problems."
You are almost right, as my total RAM is now 768, but I was exactly correct is stating the requirements.
Also, I may as well point out that your conjecture of the story of teh second account is far off base. I had to wait till I got a bit more RAM to activate my account, as this game currently requires 750 MB, which I did not have at the time. Jeff's account is still active, by the way. Nice try, though.
I see we have a tech expert here.... It is impossible to have 750mb RAM. Modern ram only comes in 128mb,256mb,512mb,1gb sticks- add any combo, its impossible to have 750mb. Either way, I doubt a game would make a requirement a odd combo like 768mb. I dont know, mabye your confusing hard drive and memory.....
Actually, I meant exactly what I said. Here's a snippet from the beta testing manual:
"Recommended Configuration
2.5 GHz processor, 750 Mb RAM (reduced to 512 Mb by release), DirectX 9 video card (ATI 9xxx, GeFX 59xx, X800, FX68xx). The engine is slow with some cards like FX5600; we advise you to decrease resolution to 800x600 if you experience such problems."
You are almost right, as my total RAM is now 768, but I was exactly correct is stating the requirements.
Well, then your friends at DnL are technically retarded. It is impossible to have 750mb of ram. And btw, those are recommended, not required. So they didnt make a odd combo like 768 the needed ammount.
Fact is, the manual, which I quoted, says 750. Thus, I upgraded to 768.
I see we have a tech expert here.... It is impossible to have 750mb RAM. Modern ram only comes in 128mb,256mb,512mb,1gb sticks- add any combo, its impossible to have 750mb. Either way, I doubt a game would make a requirement a odd combo like 768mb. I dont know, mabye your confusing hard drive and memory.....
i'm sooo glad you have just proven yourself to be tarded and completely ignorant,deserving nothing but a /ignore command.
thx for saving me the hasle of refuting your every argument, by pointing out in a brilliant remark that having 750~ MB ram is impossible.
thank you ,you just saved me 5 mins of writing.
/bow
Hate to jump in, but I can't help but say something at the fact that you consider 768 MB af ram such an odd combination. It's not odd at all to me really. Most computer motherboards have 2 to 4 ram slots. On a 4 slot board, you could use three 256 MB modules, -OR- a 512 MB module, and a 256 module -OR- a 512 MB module and two 128 MB Modules -OR- a 512 MB module, a 128 MB module, two 64 MB modules, -OR- two 256 MB modules and two 128 MB modules to come up with 768 MB of total ram. With two ram slots, you could simply use a 512 MB module and a 256 MB module to come up with the "odd" 768 MB of computer memory. I guess I don't understand how you think that 768 MB of ram is so odd. Unless you mean anything other then two twin sized modules making up your total memory as "odd". Lots of people don't have evenly sized memory modules in their systems. Also, I'd much rather a game tell me the minimum specs are 768 MB of ram if that is correct and it will run with 768MB then to just round it up so it's not "odd" as you say and make a 1 GB of ram as the minimum. There is a lot of cost different between 768 and 1024 MB of memory, especially if you have say 2 slots and already have 768 with a 512 and a 256, making the requirements "not odd" would mean that a person would have to go buy another expensive 512 stick of ram, and just have a 256 MB stick sitting around collecting dust.
- Zaxtor
it's very odd to have 768mb of system ram to me. My mobo has 2 dual channel ddr slots, so in order for it to work at optimum performance I only use 2 sticks of ram that are the same size. It's not very odd however for a game to have that for recommended configuration(although i think any ram under 1 gb is very insufficient for pretty much any new game coming out, hell even one year ago it was insufficient).
btw why the hell is someone from rpgamer coming on here and arguing about system specs like a little kid? those guys just keep digging themselves deeper and deeper holes... I really do find it odd that this mediocre little site was the ONLY site to get the NDA lifted for impressions. But it doesn't matter either way, I never take any review/preview from a gaming site seriously, even tho they say theyre all unbiased, they really aren't. Just look at how many sites gave Halo 1 a perfect score(HAIL MICRO$OFT!), and it was FAR from a perfect game.
my $0.02
I see we have a tech expert here.... It is impossible to have 750mb RAM. Modern ram only comes in 128mb,256mb,512mb,1gb sticks- add any combo, its impossible to have 750mb. Either way, I doubt a game would make a requirement a odd combo like 768mb. I dont know, mabye your confusing hard drive and memory.....
i'm sooo glad you have just proven yourself to be tarded and completely ignorant,deserving nothing but a /ignore command.
thx for saving me the hasle of refuting your every argument, by pointing out in a brilliant remark that having 750~ MB ram is impossible.thank you ,you just saved me 5 mins of writing.
/bow
Hey dumbshit, tell me how with 128mb, 256mb, 512mb, and 1gb sticks a combo of 750mb is possible. Better check your math skills. It is impossible to have 750mb with modern memory.
before you go slinging out insults about some irrelevant facts you should at least make sure you have your facts straight. im sure by saying 750mb they mean ~750mb... christ boy even 128mb, 256mb, 512mb, and 1gb sticks are not the exact size of the sticks, if you actually look at your ram in your bios it doesnt add upp to those perfect multiples of 2. Take a 256mb stick for example, throw it in a machine and watch it check the size of the memory, it will go up to 268...kb i dont remember the exact numbers but it really doesnt matter, i know when i hear someone saying 750mb they are saying "around" 750mb.
I have never seen a developer give ram ammounts that arent around. The sticks are of sometimes rounded yes, but giving something "around" 750 is just stupid. Check your system info or cpu-z they all give the ammount of ram you have rounded. Either way, it is normal 1-3mbs either way, never as much as 16.
Maybe he sawed an inch or two off his ram stick to even it out to 750M.
Why don't the mmorpg.com beta winners break the nda and tell us what they think? Oh yeah, and don't forget to tell us the install size - cause that really REALLY matters!!
Size of a world has no bearing on how much time it takes to cross the world - that is totally dependent upon your speed.
HOW DARE YOU!!!!
BOB MARLEY WILL STRIKE YOU DOWN FROM THE HEAVENS FOR EVEN SUGGESTING THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go check his album Legend, its the only really good one he pulled out before he died. The rest come from vinil and give that scratchy noise.
So what you are saying is that "Jeff", or whomever was making the decisions for RPGamer, did NOT want to upgrade and give as accurate a portrayal as possible. He did say that he was using 512mb, did he not? And in the post before this one you were flaming a dastardly troll for having a limited post count, much like myself, but fail to realize you, the stated member of a "professional" organization with "standards" have resorted to a flame war on a competitors site.
The fact is that RPGamer has reviewed a closed beta with a tester who has little gaming experience(or interest), on a machine that you yourself have now shown to be incapable of giving an accurate portrayal, on a site that is run by folks who will flame with the mightiest of trolls. All of this information is information you have provided, not I. That, is an unbiased account of this situation, and perhaps the first unbiased account we have seen.
--Ed
[quote]Originally posted by edoun
I did not say that. Nice putting words in my mouth.[b]
In any case, is it wrong to have one impression from a guy who meets the minimum reqs and another from a guy who meets the recommended? Would that not be an aspect of giving an accurate representation of the game? Hrm, you certainly have a crafty way of bending the truth. I was not "flaming" anyone for having a low post count. That poster, Raknar, was calling other people trolls when the fact was he'd been a member for a year and a half and just decided to post now. And to do what? Make up lame Bullsh*t. If he's going to point fingers, why not point back?
much like myself, but fail to realize you, the stated member of a "professional" organization with "standards" have resorted to a flame war on a competitors site. [/quote]
You try running a website, and then having someone show up and spew lies about your Public Relations with game companies, and not even lift a finger to tell people the truth.
What? We have? Where? I see a "Beta Impression," but there is no review to be found. This is the first in a series of ongoing impressions of the various stages in the beta testing--not a review. Here's what a review looks like: http://www.rpgamer.com/pointsofview/updates/2005/020605.html. We have not reviewed Dark and Light. He was actually quite pleased when he found out we'd be testing DnL. I did not say Jeff's machine was incapable. If it was up to minimum reqs, how is it incapable? I wanted mine to be up to recommended--so what? There's a difference between flaming and defending yourself. If I came on and said that I didn't believe you ever had the conversation you say you had with a publisher's PR rep, and then called someone else a troll, I certainly hope you'd make the truth known. Also, if my going so was my first and only post in over a year, I hope you'd call me out, by all means. Such things do need to be addressed once in a while. Also, for someone with a know-it-all tone such as yours, I find it quite self-contradictory of you to judge an entire website by one or two members of the near 40 that make up the staff. [/quote]And all of these statements have been bent and twisted by you, not I.
It is your perogative to call it a beta impression, but tell me, what difference is there between a beta impression and a beta review? I follow your link:
http://www.rpgamer.com/pointsofview/updates/2005/020605.html
What is different? Perhaps that one game is complete and the other is in beta? Whether or not Jeff was "pleased" does not speak to whether or not he is capable of judging gameplay. That is you, "bending" the truth.
No, you did not say that his machine was incapable, but you DID imply that upgrade was necessary to give an accurate portrayal. He did not upgrade, but I MUST accept his "portrayal" as accurate? If you dare imply, do not mock me for the same.
Also, for someone with a know-it-all tone such as yours, I find it quite self-contradictory of you to judge an entire website by one or two members of the near 40 that make up the staff.
And, as always, the first person to look to insult to prove his point.... loses. Professional is making statements in a manner that is neither flamatory or insulting. I could have very easily went into the details of the faults I find with RPGamer, it is no secret that I have taken the time to examine the content. I didn't do that. My issue was with the credibility of a review "yes, a review" of an incomplete game, and the possible reasoning behind such an action. I am sorry you do not like my tone, or my attitude. I am apologetic that profanity and insults are the method that you prefer to rationale and reasoning. I am most apologetic that at this point RPGamer, you, and Jeff are all measured and found lacking when it comes to credibility on this matter.
Adieu
--Ed
"It is your perogative to call it a beta impression, but tell me, what difference is there between a beta impression and a beta review?"
One would be that we have never done a beta review.
We, much like any other site, only review full games, as that only makes sense. They are evaluated in their final form and given a numerical grade.
This is not the case for incomplete games. For demos and betas, we may give an impression, being an early look at the game's pre-publishing progress. This is not exclusive to RPGamer, and pretty standard around game media outlets.
"No, you did not say that his machine was incapable, but you DID imply that upgrade was necessary to give an accurate portrayal." --> Yeah, necessary for ME to play with the sepcs at which I'd like to.
"He did not upgrade, but I MUST accept his "portrayal" as accurate? If you dare imply, do not mock me for the same."
--> Actually, I do remember hearing Jeff speak of buying a new video card before starting this game. Heh, so much for your conjecture of his not upgrading
Furthermore, he met the requirments; what's your problem?
Dude, you've got nothing.
how on earth has this thread not been locked yet? it completely consists of "who is more believable?" or "no you're more wrong!" and lets not forget the ever-present "quote somebodies post, break it down, and point out where they misinterpreted/misquoted/flamed/lied"
i'm pretty sure everything to be said on the topic has been said
Make of it what you will.
...although I lack a sesame seed bun...
...although I lack a sesame seed bun...
While I do, indeed, have the sesame seed bun. :P
Now.... let's see pics of your girlfriend.
--Ed
Nib I don't even know why you replied to the guy. If he can't tell the difference between a review and a beta impression. That should have warned you right there. I've read the impressions, and honestly don't see why a few people in this thread got bent out of shape. It's not like their site is the only site to ever put up beta impressions of a game.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
Just to stick my oar in...
I think the point is that a beta "impression" should involve a proper objective critical appraisal just as a review should. Obviously an impression is not a final analysis of a subject and can be revisited and revised (just as reviews for mmorpgs should be!).
If the rpggamer.com impression can't do that (although i'm not necessarily saying that) because eg. the reviewer didn't have sufficient RAM or he's an inexperienced reviewer then we should ignore it.
However,i would urge a few more DnL betatesters to come forward and let us know what they think. Come on break that NDA you know you want to