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Is there any game people are _not_ hating?
Meridion
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Yesterday, while browsing some boards I had rarely or never visited in the past, I asked myself if there is any game on MMORPG.com that isn't flooded with hate all the time.
If you stumble across this undoubtedly large MMORPG-site and you're looking for opinions on a game, the number 1 thread-topic you get is "lol this game sux"...
I've played a reasonable amount of MMORPGs during the last years, and every time I joined the conversation on the corresponding forum, 90% of the posts were hateposts, hugely exaggerating the "flaws" of the game. Be it LotRO, or EvE, Everquest 2, ou name it, if you want to inform yourself about a game you haven't seen yet, you will be pretty much scared away from it no matter what.
And if you stay on these boards long enough you get an ugly feeling: If these boards were an entity, it would be a rich, spoiled child slamming every single toy he ever got against the wall for not being what it wants without ever actually expressing _what _ it wants.
And if you ever get a pseudo-constructive suggestions how a modern MMO should look like, you get airy outlines of huge, level-less, free, player-shaped worlds with great dungeons, epic pvp battles, multi-centered player built crafting, diplomacy, exploration and fire breathing flying mounts and everything balanced out neatly... games that would swallow millions over millions if done right (and fail epicly if done wrong, *looking at you,Vanguard*)
It seems to me after a solid 15 years of MMORPGing, most veteran players just can't enjoy the genre as a whole anymore, and all myne of them do is project their own self-consumed boredom on the game they just gave a shot and couldn't live up to their expectations.
Maybe a change of perspective would be just about what you guys need. MMORPGs are about community, not about 'the perfect world'. Wake up guys, the perfect MMORPG will never come! No use hating on every single title that hits the street...
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I do not see it as "hate" for the most part..
I guess most players are tired of where the genre is heading and that their favorite genre has been corrupted in one way or another...Wich in some cases even can spawn some hate..
The most common problems today seem's to be..
-to much singleplayer focus. This seems to be the biggest gripe today, yet there seems to be many NEW players that likes this even more..So no wonder that the guys that likes a challenge is pissed of..Right ?
-to much "look alike WoW" This is all about money..If i wanted to play WoW , well I'd play WoW
/junker
You fail to understand a fundamental concept about internet gaming forums. People who are happily playing games are doing exactly that, they are out playing a game and not posting in forums how much they love it.
Sites likes these can rightly be called Forum PVP, and that is their primary purpose, for posters to square off and battle if you will over some sort of controversial topic, so even the positive posts get slammed by people who say, no, you are wrong, you are a fanboi.
Once you understand the purpose behind the forums you begin to understand why people are so negative. This is the complaint department where people can vent their rage (because gaming companies rarely respond to complaints) and better yet, people will argue with you here, making it even more entertaining.
There are lots of people out there enjoying their favorite game, I myself play a couple but am willing to discuss their faults on this site.
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If this makes any sense I'm not happy with anything on the market at present, however I'm not unhappy about anything on the market either.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
But it's the internet. People enjoy being anonymous and write down posts filled with fitrol knowing they can do so because there is no consequence in RL. Oh well so be it.
This...and the negativity level is even higher given the rather murky pool of MMOs out there currently. There's a few good ones, but there's ALOT of bad ones, which only exacerbates gamers' negative attitudes toward games in general, particularly MMOs.
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eq2 u cant hate that game.
if you do... your not a person at all.. ur a cow
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Ken
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I don't see hate. I don't 'hate' any game actually. I enjoy a few of them like EQ2, DAoC and AO but I am not always happy with the changes the game gets in the update that is suppose to be making the game more fun. I am also wanting a game that is NOT the same copy of the last game I played.
Finding out info about games at times is what this place is good for.
Debating topics relating to mmos at times is what this place is good for.
Getting an honest assessment of what a game is really like - is not what these boards are good for. I'm pretty sure most are aware of that or find out rather quick. There are extremes on both sides when it comes to those that actually "evaluate" or "review" these games from what I have seen.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Very well put Sir. When I first registered on this site, it was to get specific information on certain MMOs. It didn't take long to realize I was going to get more than expected or desired. I didn't understand the negative responses by so many. To attempt reason with the negative is inviting controversy. Now I stick to why I come here, to gain information from people that post positive information without being rude from their own malcontent.
pessimism at its best, lol
i agree though, to a certain degree. You wont find this bashing, hating, etc. on certain gaming community forums. The larger sites, like this one generally attract more (immature) people. I thought this site was the worst, but when looking at certain comments on ign i get even more depressed
its a fully fledged console war that never stops.
Only small portion of gaming/mmo community come to forums let alone come to mmorpg.com those who come here and big part are vetrans and they express there views on mmo's most here on boards.
So immagine vet played UO-AC-EQ they have whole different view of games today then all who started at the WoW era.
Prolly for most who started with WoW and all those who followed are content with how mmo's how they are today but most vest dont like how most mmo's have developed over past few years specially the themepark mmo's and f2p mmo's.
Im vet my self i dont like most mmo's eather but there still some good ones out there and im also playing solo rpg's if there is no mmo i like i just play a oldy or a solo/multi game i like plenty of those out there.
Just have fun, investigate what game you like and you be ok.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Yea well, I was not referring to internet boards in general but MMORPG.com...
Actually, I wrote this because it baffles me how MMORPG.com in particular seems to be a cesspool of trollposters (or 'dislike'-posters).
Throughout the different sections most of the information given by users is either biased, wrong, or at worst, useless. And this is a huge difference when compared to other sites I post on (which are - granted - mostly local (german) ones) where posts are _sometimes_ hate/trollposts, but mainly focus on actual information or discussion on a game aspect.
Example, the STO section of a major german multi-mmo-site offers several threads discussing features, like how skills work, how you progress throughout the levels, how the group combat works, some about how it should be more sandboxy, and few trollposts. All you find here on MMORPG.com is a flood of "omg sux because of XY", the amount of down-to-earth discussion on features/mechanics is minimal, drowning in a pool of "It's all instanced and boring stay away", valid information on the game: zero...
And this is just one example (it seems to get better the older the games are [maybe because of decreasing emotion load])
I give you the forum PvP and all that. It's the internet. I'm mainly talking about the sheer amount of non-constructive posts on _any_ game here on MMORPG.com. Makes me *rolleyes* a lot lately.
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Agree with most of what you said.
I like to see informative post, yet many simple do not want to inform but instead choose to bash games.
There are a number of games people bash yet to blind to see others are enjoying those games, we see "fail" topics being created by those who in my opinion have lost perspective. We see people speak as if they truly know how to make a GREAT EPIC MMORPG, yet never seen them make a post about that great epic game they are working on, oh sure in my mind I can make up the most perfect game but it takes more then a few words to actually deliver.
It's a shame really as this once was one of the most open minded genre among games and gamers, unfortunaly many have lost this touch of being open-minded, they get blinded by the flashy looking singleplayer games and expect the same type of quality from MMORPG's, not saying I don't want MMORPG to have quality, many actually have allot of quality, but the masses on forums like this don't WANT to see it, all they care for is the flaws, the bugs, they totaly ignore the things that are good, which makes them pretend most games are fail. We even have people who believe in hype yet when experiancing those hyped up games get disappointed, now how funny is that.....
Now of course forums are mainly used by those who for some reason think it's only to complain, thankfully we still have a few forum posters that actually want to inform others or share info about other games without bashing these games, we even see some constructive topics/post but unfortunaly they are very minimal.
Oh and this myth about people who enjoy their game that do not post is also something that is NOT true. I will admit that those who do post something positive will often if not always be bashed about their opinion cause people these day's have a hard time seperating opinion from fact.
I also noticed a trend in people lack of knownledge about a game which often results in them bashing that game, may it be due to extreme bad configered system they try to play a game with, often I see people speak about bugs, funny as with most games I read more about bugs then actually encounter them, obviously it's the copy/paste poster who in some cases not even has played that game but just tries to make it look as if he or she played it. Adn again not saying this genre is bug free, there is allot that can be improved for sure....
Again...there is nothing wrong with people speaking their minds and that's what forums can be used for but I really would like to see people that actually have some perspective and become more honost. Saying game X is fail pure because it didn't fancy their playstyle is no reason to call a game fail. We can call a game fail if the plug is pulled, we can say we dislike a game, but do we really need to call everything that isn't excactly how we want it to call it faill....I think not, unfortunaly the majority of new gamers in this genre will loudly disagree with me.
Kyleran nailed it, though I (and some other people, I'm sure) visit these forums because, frankly, it's entertaining to watch a bunch of kids (well, hopefully you're children, you sure don't act like adults most of the time...) complain about everything. Also entertaining to watch the old farts shoot down every new MMO because they're lost in nostalgia (even new sandboxes because they're "not polished"). Heck, I'm happily playing my MMOs, but there's this cool feature called Alt+Tab I can use to check these forums too when I'm, say, traveling.
Once in a while, a genuinely intelligent discussion pops up. But, strangely, they tend to not be related to MMOs. From my experience, anyways.
The answer is the same as in the question "Is there any kind of music peoples are not hating?"
Where themepark games try to hide that they are copying WOW, games like Mortal Online and Darkfall make no attempt to hide their inspiration
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Problem with video games is " consumer beware " more so than any other product. Both mmo and any other is that you have many variables :
Will the game play
Will it play on my computer
Does content suck
Game starts out good, will it Begin to suck
Is it even a full game
Will I like it
Will everyone else like it ( more so with mmo's )
IMPORTANT :
Gaming web sites, and the read on the back of the box ARE OFTEN MISS LEADING. Do you think the devs will tell you their game sucks ? Microsoft has a new game they like to play and thats " approved games for Windows " Microsoft pretends that they are setting a better business burro, yet they endorsed Age of Connan. Tell me they did not get a kick back at the consumers expense.
So who will protect us ?
Our-self's that's who !.............It takes a little practice but everyone should be able to read between the lines. Star Trek Online has many pro's and con's. But I can tell that it's not gonna be good, too instanced for me. Global Agenda is another one thats failing before it hit's the ground.
Learn to read between the lines.
I guess it's just me then because I see people doing the same thing on the opposite side of the tracks. Living in denial that there are issues with a game or automatically judging anyone with a negative comment or opinion of their prized game as being a troll or hater.
I don't see how that benefits anyone either, but most of the time the only thing anyone seems to complain about are the ones that speak negatively of a game or games.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
It's very rare that I see anything negative about Wizard101.
It depends what you mean by hate.............
If by hating you mean people criticising a game then it is playnly obvious you gonna get some.
Do you know anything in real life that doesn't get criticised?
Well mmorpgs are about community i agree. And thats the heart of nearly every post you call "hate". Because each title removes a little more community, a little more multiplayer, a little more of everything but combat and loot. Why is that?
But at least the "hate" is discussing the games, not other forum members.
Negative post are the best way for fans of the game to sell the game and to "help" with the image. Devs gotta throw em a bone once in a while though. Some things you cant argue. Fanboyism is far, far, far worse btw.
Also, hate is a poor choice of words if you are actually trying to persuade people.
But yes maybe a change of perspective is needed. Another suggestion. I see more and more suggestions here lately.
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Only difference between a troll and a fanbot is what side of the tracks..., or, bridge, since it's a troll... they're on.
go to a restaraunt, you will hear someone complain about the food, on your job during break and lunch complaining everywhere about the company, go to the bar and listen to the people around you complain about almost everything...what I am trying to say is alot of people do nothing but complain, why do you expect anything different here...
If you havnt noticed most people are followers, and they hear a few people complain, so they have to too becuase they cant think for themselves and the guy over there is complaining so they most too.
As far as a suggestion goes, dont expect anything out of a game and you wont be let down, no game can live up to the illogical hype that some of the idiots on these boards spew, the devs of MMoRPGs do nothing more then craft the game board and the pieces to play with, its up to you as a player to make something of the game world.
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