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When will we live on Mars or the Moon?
jonezi92
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Alright so back in the days of the Cold War, everyone (Mainly USA and USSR) wanted to get to the moon first, i have no idea who got there first,
tbh, i think since maybe it did happen that many years ago, why arnt we out there now? Attempting to put colonies on the moon?
Sure the Super duper massive hydron colider looks and sounds cool, but maybe we shouldnt be trying to create mini black holes...
maybe we should be expanding the Human race instead of trying to destroy it 
(no i dont have a man-gina im just trying to be logical)
With at constant risk that maybe we'd be wiped out like the dinosaurs, it could happen, then we wont be completely dusted, also we have 2012 to look forward to! or do we? nothing may happen at all,
surely we have enough Technology and Japanese People to make it happen!
^^^^ This is what happens when i dont have a mmo to play
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I voted that I agree this is what happens when you don't have an MMO to play.
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Why do we not live on Mars and beyond yet? Because we'd rather spend trillions of dollars on war and illegal drugs.
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To put it simply, there's just no profit in it. There was once a dream to venture into space simply for the sake of hope of a brighter future. This dream died when everyone discovered that it would be easier to make ipods and speculate on property prices.
Read the Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson though. Very interesting read on how Mars can be colonized.
The only nation to get a man on the moon is the United States. The problem isn't getting there, but how. This is why the Large Hydron Collider is essential for space exploration. Through discovering better forms of energy propulsion, its cheaper to travel in space. There just isn't any profit in launching a rocket that spews out $1 million of exhaust a second to get past the atmosphere.
There are alot of companies that want to drill asteroids for minerals. Realistically, our goal shouldn't be to colonize the moon or Mars. It should be to get a craft to a different solar system. The amount of water on Mars, and the only way to extract water on the moon aren't good methods for making a colony. There just aren't any more sustainable habitats in this system.
It's not gonna happen in the near future... Probably never will...
check out this ted talk. the last third is talking about space exploration.
http://www.ted.com/talks/bill_stone_explores_the_earth_and_space.html
We wont live on a Planet/moon without an atmosphere any time soon.
The radiation on the Moon and Mars is hazardous to life. Until we find a way to protect ourselves from the radiation, colonies off the Earth are not realistic.
Radiation isnt as big a issue on the moon or mars as youd think. Most of the radiation your exposed to is from solar flares and that can be deflected by regolith piled over your structures. Essentially all of the structures on the moon would have to be buried. Not all that difficult in the low gravity.
Since most everything we do is determined by whether or not the people at the top have something to personally gain from doing big projects, I doubt it will happen unless its a publicity stunt. Fortunately those stunts have a way of growing into public programs. The one reason people mite get interested in the moon is if the scientists demonstrate functional helium 3 use in reactors. That changes everything.
Let's wait and see...
Off planet colonization will truly happen when nanotech is commercially viable. Right now NASA is putting together a colonization mission to Mars but it's mainly a science mission. It's also a one way trip. Once nano machines are viable we will be able to use them to terraform planets and make them liveable for human life.
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http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/27/obama-budget-drop-nasa-constellation-program/
Looks like that just took a Big hit....
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http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/27/obama-budget-drop-nasa-constellation-program/
Looks like that just took a Big hit....
" In the meantime, the White House will direct NASA to concentrate on Earth-science projects -- principally, researching and monitoring climate change -- and on a new technology research and development program that will one day make human exploration of asteroids and the solar system possible."
how can nanobots terraform? i didnt think we had the technology/know how to terraform anyway
I think that it would be a terrible waste of money, time, and resources to attempt colonizing either the moon or mars at this time, or even in the distant future.
First, we do not even have a space object detection system that is worth a @#$%!! at the moment. WE have no space object defense. We have not even been able to feed everyone on this planet yet, how much more expensive would it be to try feeding them on another? Face it people we are still living in the dark ages. Just because we have computers and cool graphix with insane imaginations does not mean we are making anything really groundbrealing actually happen. In fact, all the cool toys we amuse ourselves with daily actually make us waste our time that we could be spending inventing things, actually accomplishing things, taking on the problems head on ourselves.
This is why I do not watch television or movies. I get so much more done since I do not waste time watching a "box". Now I still waste time on the evil computer, but I only do that these days when I am wore out from doing everything else, or while I am playing phone tag. I find it amusing when the power goes out and I watch the neighbors wander around their yards aimlessly like they have no direction, have no clue what to do. I have witnessed what happens these days during power outages, people seriously don;t know what to do without their television, internet, cable, phones .. they pretty much freak out. LMAO Me on the other hand, I light candles and continue working on something anyways, until neighbors knock on my door asking if I know what happened.. like they are searching for answers. It seriously cracks me up .. Then people ask, " why don't we live on the moon?" ROFL
Just think about your daily routine. How much of that is spent handling actual problems in your community, Making something, inventing something, actually doing something that is productive?How much time is spent on entertainment, or " self " activities? The thing is people are too concerned about their down time" these days to be concerned about real problems. People are lazy, vain, and self centered. They live in the moment without giving the effort it takes to design the future.
Sure we have governments and large corporations working on these thing s.. but their goal isn't to make a better design or product, it is to make more money. If they make a product that lasts tooo long, they lose money long term. So everything is designed to break these days. If they designed things to break and they take them to mars.. How much crap would they have to ship to mars just to substain life there? LOL
I know what you mean. I don't know why I subscribe to my satellite TV. I barely even get the time to watch the news. When the lights go out, I would just light a candle and read.
Seriously though, if you ever have the time, do pick up the Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson. It's a really good read on how colonizing Mars can be possible and can possibly lead to good things. Plus I did come across a website (sponsored by NASA i think) about 3-4 years ago that indicated that the technology described in the books were actually just lifted from the NASA Mars colonization program/plans.
They are going to Mars in the 2020s and they will have a small permanent residence there to do research and stuff.
It's all on the NASA website.
The trip to the moon has been scratched due to budget cuts so we will not go there.
It's all about Mars now, baby.
All those memories will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.
how can nanobots terraform? i didnt think we had the technology/know how to terraform anyway
once we can manipulate matter at microscopic degree we'll be able to do just about anything. It's just a matter of when
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how can nanobots terraform? i didnt think we had the technology/know how to terraform anyway
once we can manipulate matter at microscopic degree we'll be able to do just about anything. It's just a matter of when
The technology to terraform was always there and has been for quite awhile although not in the way that you guys are thinking. It's not like Star Trek where we just shoot a Terraforming missile at the planet and 5 minutes later it turns into Earth II. Such a scenario would likely cause the entire planet to blow up from the accelerated land mass changes.
From what I understand (from minor research via the net), the idea is that terraforming can be done but in slow increments since not only must the atmosphere of the planet be altered but an ecology must be introduced in order to lock in those changes at the same time. Otherwise the current state of the planet will merely exert it's own force (of nature) and revert the planet back to its uninhabitable state.
E.g. introduce low level plant form (moulds/fungus) capable of converting the acidic atmosphere into oxygen - this will take decades; At the same time use machines to heat up the atmosphere from the ground up; quite literally heaters. Both of these will assist to create an atmosphere where clouds can exist, which in turn will create rain. Once this occurs, other plant life will have to be introduced in order to effectively clean up the toxic rain - this will likely take decades. Further plant life will be introduced in order to lock in the changes to the land and also to introduce food for animal lifeforms. Initial first level lifeforms will likely be genetically engineered in order to be able to feed on these mutated plant. Once these animals have been introduced and thrives, further animal lifeforms among the food chain will be introduced until you reach a certain point where the animals can serve as livestock. At which point you basically go a little crazy and start to introduce as many different species of plant and animal life into the ecology (with a view towards balancing) in order to create diversity. And there you go, a terraformed planet.
That's the very simplified version (or at least what my non-scientific brain can absorb) that can be found online. I think NASA may still have a few links available on their site to explain it better. What surprised me was that it doesn't really need highly advanced technology to terraform a planet. What is needed is...patience. Not to mention a whole load of cash.
nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/mars/mars_colonize_terraform.html
Found an interesting link on terraforming. Have fun.
I stopped right there. I truly hope that this is a joke sentence. On the off chance that you really dont know who landed on the moon. The Russians had colonies on the Moon and Mars and have had them for 50 years...but they are all communists, and so they are kept off Earth T.V.
I'm torn...
1. i WANT the US to be a space pioneer for the fact that if there is a great discovery out there we'll get to make it..(and there are great discoveries to be found too)
2. BUT.... at the same time i don't feel it's the government's job to fund it all either....the conservative in me doesn't mind that the president pulled the plug on the moon mission....but the patriot in me wants to be back on the moon before china lol...so ya i'm torn.
3. corporations have the potential to get the space program going again....IF they can find a way to make money from space...tourism is all we can think of atm....but if we find something of value on the moon....things will change....mars is still too far away to be practical... (like the moon isn't, but still closer lol)'
lastly...Im a sci fi romantic....because it's there IS a valid reason to go anywhere.