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Dessun · February 2005

You're all paying for beta. Continue reading. Blizzard released the game early to gain an advantage on EQ2. And you haven't seen any siginificant changes to the game yet. So basically they only made it live so they could hook the playerbase and then let them play around in the unfinished world. Giving them time to continue developement of the game on their private servers, without worry of losing gamers to the competition. And then release the new content via an expansion once it is actually how they wanted it to launch in the first place.

And you all wondered why you weren't getting any patches...

Zrazik · February 2005

Nice troll, but this can be said about every MMO out there. Thanks for trying, drive through.

FrostFreiDen · February 2005

Originally posted by Zrazik

Nice troll, but this can be said about every MMO out there. Thanks for trying, drive through.

I concur, I smell a dirty troll, GO HOME!!!

Thats odd though, I thought I wasnt getting any patches because we didnt need them... Hmm...

Saranum · February 2005

LOL ::::29::

ajaxx · February 2005

Originally posted by Dessun
You're all paying for beta. Continue reading. Blizzard released the game early to gain an advantage on EQ2. And you haven't seen any siginificant changes to the game yet. So basically they only made it live so they could hook the playerbase and then let them play around in the unfinished world. Giving them time to continue developement of the game on their private servers, without worry of losing gamers to the competition. And then release the new content via an expansion once it is actually how they wanted it to launch in the first place.
And you all wondered why you weren't getting any patches...

Umm, EQ2 came out first. Only problems I've had are lag around the auction house sometimes and 2 bugged quests that I was still able to complete.

Zerocyde · February 2005

Holy Crap Zarzik and FrostFreiDen, dident know thier was a such thing as a fanboy that has never even played the game yet. But seriuosly, play it, you will see hes right. Unless your giant boner for blizzard gets in the way of your view. But besides all of the missing content, the game just plain sucks. Its a kiddie game for kids, my copy of wow came with a free soft baby blue blanky. Its just another EQ clone, but with bubbley kid friendly graphics and (OMGWTFUBERNESS) consensual pvp.

Go and play shadowbane, watch as pvp and peoples actions determin the rise and fall of nations, as apposed to wow, where pvp and peoples actions determin nothing more than how annoyed thier enemies are.

Zrazik · February 2005

Another troll, this one brings the old, overused 'kiddy game' argument.

And then comes:

dident know thier was a such thing as a fanboy

followed by:

Go and play shadowbane, watch as pvp and peoples actions determin the rise and fall of nations, as apposed to wow, where pvp and peoples actions determin nothing more than how annoyed thier enemies are.

Oh the irony.

Zerocyde · February 2005

Yes, Zerocyde the shadowbane fanboy. I must be a shitty fanboy since i havent even played the game for 5 months.

I was simply stating how great of a game shadowbane is. But then again, im sure its hard for you to read properly with your blizz-boner blocking half your view.

But i really cant blame you, if i was a blizz-suckoff, i would much rather be here defending my jesus WoW than in the game grinding and grinding away, fighting mob after mob after mob so that you can fight bigger mob after bigger mob. Maybe someday you will realize that graphics cant make up for a lack of content, and find a real game to play.

And by the way, dont talk about any overused arguments when you call me a troll. This post was on the mmorpg.com frontpage as "Most recent post" i saw it, clicked it, read it, and replied.

Zrazik · February 2005

The original poster is a troll, he posted the obvious for the sole puropse of attracting people like you.. And you got caught and continue posting crap. Never I said WoW is any different from or superior to any other MMO, I even stated that in my first post. All the fanboy calling is coming from you

And yes, you are clearly trolling, came here insulting people, showing hypocrisy and posted usless rant about WoW. It's true that WoW PvP blows, but only trolls call this game kiddy, who cares if you clicked link from the main page, you are still trashing this space.

Zerocyde · February 2005

Blah, i was gonna continue this crap, but all were doing is arguing about shit that dosent even remotley pertain to the original topic, and nobody wants that. So fuck it, i will concede, WOW RULES! lol. later.

Zrazik · February 2005

That's the point This troll managed to make this thread have quite a few replies. I was hoping this would die just after i marked it as a flamebait

Atomicus · February 2005

So blizzard is making a mistake because you have reason to believe it is in beta? And SOE has never done this before nor have they ever publically admitted that they failed? Did you not read the press release by the CEO of SOE about SWG being a flawed and in dire need of improvements? In that case SOE has been charging people without giving anyopne anything in return for the amount of problems that caused significant gameplay issues. Last i remember Blizzard has admitted there are issues that are interfering with paying customers game time and they offered them all free days, basically a discount in return to keep the paying customer happy. I ve only seen one patch seen i played, and heard of several patches already made to EQ2. Yes i know the patches added improvements but i have not had any problems with WoW except for server downtimes.

Finduilas · February 2005

Originally posted by Dessun

You're all paying for beta. Continue reading. Blizzard released the game early to gain an advantage on EQ2. And you haven't seen any siginificant changes to the game yet. So basically they only made it live so they could hook the playerbase and then let them play around in the unfinished world. Giving them time to continue developement of the game on their private servers, without worry of losing gamers to the competition. And then release the new content via an expansion once it is actually how they wanted it to launch in the first place.
And you all wondered why you weren't getting any patches...

Actually it's the other way around. EQ2 was rushed out early to beat WoW. I was playing beta week before release, the game was unfinshed. They added huge amounts of stuff in the last week, without giving testers time to test it all.

They've been patching EQ2 heavily ever since, not just bug fixes either, but content, lots of it.

jimmyman99 · February 2005

Originally posted by Zerocyde
Yes, Zerocyde the shadowbane fanboy. I must be a shitty fanboy since i havent even played the game for 5 months.
I was simply stating how great of a game shadowbane is. But then again, im sure its hard for you to read properly with your blizz-boner blocking half your view.
But i really cant blame you, if i was a blizz-suckoff, i would much rather be here defending my jesus WoW than in the game grinding and grinding away, fighting mob after mob after mob so that you can fight bigger mob after bigger mob. Maybe someday you will realize that graphics cant make up for a lack of content, and find a real game to play.
And by the way, dont talk about any overused arguments when you call me a troll. This post was on the mmorpg.com frontpage as "Most recent post" i saw it, clicked it, read it, and replied.

Hmmm, somebody is obsessed with boners. I wonder if you are compensating for something...

Sunbright · February 2005

so can someone name one morpg that has content and no grinding. cause I would love to find any game like that but then I dont think there is a game like that. but thats the sacrifice you take when playing these games theres little content. but I still like to play and interact

Clockfoster · February 2005

so can someone name one morpg that has content and no grinding. cause I would love to find any game like that but then I dont think there is a game like that.

Blame Evergrind for making MMORPG's what they are today.
And hey, while we're at it, let's blame EA for making lord british leave.

Finduilas · February 2005

I define "grinding" as performing the same action repeatly, for minutes, hours, days, weeks etc. over and over, to achieve a result. Most MMORPGs have 2 types of grind. Kill monsters repeatly for hours, often camped in one spot, the easiest, because that's the only, or by far the most efficient method to gain exp to level up. Fashion then destroy, sell, the same item over and over for hours, crafting something you'll never use until you get high enough to make what you REALLY want to use.

Many old school games have so far FORCED you to grind, because questing was not worth it, and telling a story whilst you adventure into that dungeon was too much effort to code, so they let you just sit in a corner and "pull" for hours, whilst you talk about football, or beer, or music.

I'll play any game that allows me to continually do interesting stuff all the way through to the high levels, and never HAVE to spend more than an hour in the same place, unless I want to.

The MMORPG is still young, so maybe soon the mold will be broken.

paradyme · February 2005

What's with the recent rise in troll posts? Oh yeah the game that they play SUX! and they have nothing better to do then come try to make up lame ass bashes for the greatest MMORPG ever World Of Warcraft.

Sunbright · February 2005

paradyme just to let you know I like this game and if your calling me a troll go look in a mirror all I'm saying is all morpgs have little content. I'm just hoping one day they can program one that can have unlimited content for years but I fear something like that is a long ways away. but until then I'm glad for games like wow. I mean I came from horizons so this game is a whole lot better but if horizons had their stuff together and actually running right and good. I would say it was a really good game to, but to bad its programed bad and runs on a bad engine. but then its good it did so now I get to play wow a lot more ::::20::

Clockfoster · February 2005

Originally posted by Finduilas
I'll play any game that allows me to continually do interesting stuff all the way through to the high levels, and never HAVE to spend more than an hour in the same place, unless I want to.

Sounds like Progress Quest and IRPG. ::::28::

Homelander · February 2005

Why don't we just keep this thread going and if I'm lucky, maybe people will actualy read this without flaming me for saying that the game they are playing is anything less than perfect. Ok, first off, just letting all you hardcore WoW players out there know that this is not a post burning the game itself but, the entire game industry regarding what they are imposing on MMO's. The increasing popularity of the MMO genre has attracted so much attention that reputed game companies have found it impossible to ignore this sector of the market. Unfortunetaly, we live in a capitalist world and instead of trying to better their competitors or team-up with each other to try and produce an original product (yes, some games out there meet this criteria but I am generalizing for the sake of argumentation) they simply re-cast a new game in a previously made mould.

This is where games like WoW fit it. Yes, the game maybe fun for some of you out there but when it comes down to it, it's no different then about 7 or 8 other titles. I must admit that I am a fan of the anime style graphics but, that's not the problem. It always comes back to game content. And, since most of the product manufactuers out there don't give a flying fudge and still manage to make outstanding profits, the other game manufactuers figure, why bother ? Instead of trying to come up with something new and exciting (again, some games do manage to break free) they simply implement the minimum necessary to attract a large amount of players to their servers and rake in the profit.

Please realize that I am simply using WoW as an example because as far as recent MMO's out on the market it is by far the most talked about. Also, I don't down anyone for playing the game, yes I am sure it's plenty of fun but for someone who has played just about every hack'n'slash MMO (again, this is unfortunetaly the trend that has become so popular) the appeal of this genre is just not there. I am looking for something unique that dosen't "promise guild housing and player owned homes in the future." Just like to repeat so I don't get called, what was it ... a "troll", that this dosen't apply simply to WoW or that this makes WoW any less of a game, I'm sorry but it's nothing but the truth. Your not wasting your money, time and life by playing these games (unless you divorce your wife because of it *lol some people are nuts*) but, they have been around for ages and believe me, they are not bringing anything new to the table except for an empty plate and eyes set on your pocket book.

Anyways, to round this all up, don't side with a game fevorously simply because you believe it is the "best" out there. The minimal differences in the games on the market right now are why there is a slight seperation of the fan base and I really push the "slight" differences. All they are doing is taking old ideas, changing the main background of the story (unless they are really cheesy) and adding some shiny new graphics to make the people over at NVidia happy. I used to LOVE the story of Warcraft but, I mean the original. Warcraft : Orcs and Humans was an amazingly fun game and they followed it up beautifuly with Tides of Darkness. However, by the time the 3rd installment was around it was apparent that content and storyline was simply a thing of the past. They tried very valiantly to re-animate the story through WoW but in the end, I guess cost-efficientcy is just too powerful to hurtle over.

The Realm/UO/T4C/BMC/AO/Everquest/Lineage/DAoC/Neocron/iRO/AC/SB ... try some of them out, you'll see what I am talking about. They all aspired to be great games (and did get close to that mark at some point or another) but, business comes before prestige in this world.

PS: The Realm was the first MMO I ever played (about 10 years ago) and it didn't used to be in the forsaken circle that I have just described but last I heard .... R.I.P.

Sunbright · February 2005

thanx dakilla666 you said pretty much everything I feel about all the MMO's
other then that all I can say is pick an MMO you like right now and wait for when we get the next generation of MMO's where content is a key issue

Johnark · February 2005

If we're still in Beta, then WoW has gotta be the greatest beta MMORPG I've ever played. So many MMORPGs that were released were much worst and took almost a year to actually become stable.

Oh BTW, are you Level 60 yet? Is that why you are complaining cause most Level 60 dungeons are bugged? If not... STFU. everything to do under level 45 (cause my highest character is only Level 45) works fine. There's a few problems here and there... but god damn am I having more fun than being frustrated every now and then compared to other MMORPGs I've played like Star Wars Galaxies, EQ2 and City of Heroes.

jimmyman99 · February 2005

Originally posted by dakilla666

You are generlizing too much. All games follow a mold of sort. What is MMORPG? You live in a fantasy world with a specific theme, you kill monsters and you gain exp/items/prestige.
Thats how every MMORPG works, it wouldnt be a MMORPG if it wasnt about questing/looting/exp and stuff like that. now, why is WoW best of all MMORPGs up today? I willtry to explain.
Most games have flaws, some are forced grouping, some have bad graphics, some have boring gameplay. So basicaly you can rate a game by rating its main parts on a 1 to 10 scale, then get an average rate and thats how good the game is in your opinion. What WoW did different is take all the good stuff and get rid of all the bad stuff. It doesnt seem innovative, you may say its just the same cookie-cutter-game but I will disagree. The rules of WoW universe alone break through the mold of ordinary MMORPGs. Its WAY too different then anything Ive played. Each game has some unique traits, some are great at gameplay, some are great at crafting, and s far WoW has been great at everything for me. Sure there are a LOT of things that could of gone better: for example I wish WoW had crafting system similar to horizons (only the crafting system, gathering is fine), I wish WoW would have CoH character customization, I wish WoW would have EQ2 ambience and background/world graphics/textures (but not character models, they suck and look like plastic dolls, yuk), I wish WoW would have Eve's huge universe and perhaps market system too ( it maybe too complex for an average player). But if WoW would be all of this, then the MMORPG world would stop producing new games because it had a perfect one.

My point is, in my opinion WoW broke the mold of boring, grinding, questless and heartless MMORPG. thumbs up for WoW

tu_uilwen · February 2005

So far from what i hear.....if you want to be flamign a game like you are doing...go to the EQ2 forums....theres really not that many problems...or atleast not as many as you think there are.......only problem I have had With WoW....is that fact that every now and then I get bugged veins(ore mines)

And lag in the major cities because of the always super populatedness.

Any no this is not a fanboy post or anything...I play all sorts of MMo's from WoW to EQ to EQ2.....but i see that there are not as many problesm in wow as you think.....

jf100 · February 2005

Ok, First off wow is a pretty good game, not perfect but good, and so are a million others(exageration)

It is also true that most games just follow the same basic pattern and they will for many years to come unless people begin to think about other things instead of money(never gonna happen)

So instead of arguing about which game is better just go play the one you like, stop flaming other games, and leave others play what they want.

So for all of you people who hate other games besides the one you play I sugest you STFU and go play your game

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