I truly think that Adventurine and the die hard DF players want to believe this is the best game ever made, and so they make excuses to why bad reviews come out. But then when there is something positive said they focus on it and say "see told you it's awesome". That's normal for people who are a fan of anything in life.
It happens in every aspect of life with every type of entertainment, relationship etc. If you like something and someone else doesn't then they must be wrong. It doesn't matter if a very small amount of people play DF, which shows that most of the MMO players in the world don't like the game, all that matters is they like it so in their mind people who don't are stupid.
When I like niche products I at least admit to myself that most people wouldn't like it, and that just because it caters to a niche audience that I like, does not mean the game is amazing. It means it is simply something that a small amount of people want to do. But for some reason both sides of the argument on this topic can't realize this. Because something fills a niche, the majority of the reviews aren't going to be favorable, it's best to accept that going in then be mad about it.
So DF side, it's not the most amazing game ever made. But it did create a game that fits it's target audience and so being in that audience you should be happy in that fact. At the same time you should fully understand and accept that the majority of the gamers are never going to like this game, ever. There will be reviews that say how it's not a fun game, you should understand that and accept it. It does not mean the reviewer is a carebear or an idiot or any other ridiculous fact. Yes you are right in the fact that some people will think this game is amazing, but wrong in the fact that you want everyone to think this game is amazing.
Anti DF side. This game is made for a niche audience. As such you are most likely not going to enjoy it. You are also going to read praise from a few obscure sources because those sources are the niche audience. This does not mean they are wrong, but you should also understand that the fans of the game are going to love to read reviews that like the game in the same way they do. That's called community and is normal for video games, sports teams, etc. But yes you are right in the fact that most people will hate this game, but wrong in the fact that you have to try and prove it.
Let me put this simple for people who review and play and consider and or hates darkfall.
Some people like Darkfall a lot but Darkfall is only for a certain type of person..
For example you can't really expect someone who hats lord of the rings to review lotro. You can't expect someone who hates fps games to review global agenda.
It's the same thing with Darkfall. These avg gamers are reviewing a game that does not fit their play style.
Someone comes out and creates something new and diff that only fits say 5% of the population then it will get bad reviews.
Let me put this simple for people who review and play and consider and or hates darkfall.
Some people like Darkfall a lot but Darkfall is only for a certain type of person..
For example you can't really expect someone who hats lord of the rings to review lotro. You can't expect someone who hates fps games to review global agenda.
It's the same thing with Darkfall. These avg gamers are reviewing a game that does not fit their play style.
Someone comes out and creates something new and diff that only fits say 5% of the population then it will get bad reviews.
This will be a forever none stop war..
QFE!
Reminds me Fallen Earth.
I saw so many bad comments and reviews about the combat style that I decided to try it out with the trial.
I was pleased with their FPS aiming system and I wish more MMO would do the same, but as you're pointing at, not everyone likes it. And it seems they are the more voicy ones...
Way to go and get bent over them not having a free trial. That is what this is really about isnt it? i noticed last night you were bitching about some other game or game company in another post. Someone pass him a manpon because i think he started his monthly cycle.
Im itching to get in this game and will hopefully be playing Darkfall by this weekend. Ive read a million posts and seen a ton of videos. It is looking like my kind of game. I wish they had a free trial too but they dont so i had to do a little research before i decided it was a game i want to play.
As someone who is been going to school for IT for many years and into things like MMORPG creation and such I can tell you a trial at this time for Darkfall is almost impossible. In the future if they created some type of special island once things are fixed and get more progressed overtime then yeah trial would work.
But at this time they don't need people who want a trial and say the game sucks without it. They really are taking their time to provide quality and don't need 10000000 people right now.
They stated this like 5 years ago and they stated this even more since so many MMO's have been failing at launch.
Originally posted by comerb Originally posted by Comnitus Thanks to Darth and Izure, I can now reiterate: Darkfall get good review = Darkfall fans happy. Darkfall get bad review = Darkfall fans SMASH!
Replace Darkfall with fans of any MMO in your statements and nothing changes.
This is the truth. I have no idea why people are bashing Darkfall fans for defending a game they love to play. Attack any MMO, and its fans will defend it.
Current: None Played: WoW, CoX, SWG, LotRO, EVE, AoC, VG, CO, Ryzom, DF, WAR Tried: Lineage2, Dofus, EQ2, CoS, FE, UO, Wurm, Wakfu Future: The Repopulation, ArcheAge, Black Desert, EQN
Replace Darkfall with fans of any MMO in your statements and nothing changes.
This is the truth. I have no idea why people are bashing Darkfall fans for defending a game they love to play. Attack any MMO, and its fans will defend it.
Sure. But Darkfall fans are the most entertaining.
This is the truth. I have no idea why people are bashing Darkfall fans for defending a game they love to play. Attack any MMO, and its fans will defend it.
Sure. But Darkfall fans are the most entertaining.
Yes we are!
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Thanks to Darth and Izure, I can now reiterate: Darkfall get good review = Darkfall fans happy. Darkfall get bad review = Darkfall fans SMASH!
Are you new to mmorpg.com dfo forums or what? if you are why are you commenting on something that you have 0 information about, Devour trolled DFo before it came out and still to this date is.
Actually for a reviewer by this company( more linear type games) 6 is a pretty fair score.
But thanks to you I know why people post non logical posts, because they have no idea what they are talking about. Next troll please thanks.
I'm not sure you even know what you are talking about, Izure. What Commitus said is completly true. If DarkFall has a bad review: Well the reviewer sucks. If DF gets a good review: Good times! Just don't forget that this rule applies to ALL game though.
I would have to agree here. Personally I did not find that line "DF is not for reviewers" that much of a deal, but as always, fanbois take anything theoretically negative into extremes. Should of just laughed at AVs childish "They told bad things about our game, they must be evil, waaaaaa".
Replace Darkfall with fans of any MMO in your statements and nothing changes.
This is the truth. I have no idea why people are bashing Darkfall fans for defending a game they love to play. Attack any MMO, and its fans will defend it.
In this case there was no attack, just a reference to an immature remark by a corporation.
To be fair, the review was pretty bad. It touched on almost no aspects of the game that most people deem it's main positives, and ended on a very cliche finisher that both didn't make sense, and held no actual realistic representation of how most people feel about the game.
It truly is either a like-it-or-don't kind of game, but I also hate reviews in general. The reviewer is just someone who clearly wasn't brought into the type of gameplay that Darkfall offers and I don't see how their opinion means anything to the thousands of other gamers who will be. I also don't see why AV can't poke some fun at opinions, I understand business maturity... but are they not humans also?
Originally posted by jimmyman99 Originally posted by Nizur
Originally posted by comerb
Originally posted by Comnitus Thanks to Darth and Izure, I can now reiterate: Darkfall get good review = Darkfall fans happy. Darkfall get bad review = Darkfall fans SMASH!
Replace Darkfall with fans of any MMO in your statements and nothing changes.
This is the truth. I have no idea why people are bashing Darkfall fans for defending a game they love to play. Attack any MMO, and its fans will defend it. In this case there was no attack, just a reference to an immature remark by a corporation.
I'm not talking about the reference, I'm talking about responses 6 and 18 and posters with similar mindsets bashing DFO fans for defending the game/dev in this thread and others. It's truly stupid to bash any people who like something for defending it.
Current: None Played: WoW, CoX, SWG, LotRO, EVE, AoC, VG, CO, Ryzom, DF, WAR Tried: Lineage2, Dofus, EQ2, CoS, FE, UO, Wurm, Wakfu Future: The Repopulation, ArcheAge, Black Desert, EQN
Yep, just look at this forum. People often scream out in pure fear "this is not like WoW.....it is broken!", and then we except to get a DF based review? No way it gonna work.
Allow me to make an analogy.
Lets say there is a new restaurant in town. It specializes in extremely hardcore spicy dishes, knowing that this is a niche market. But all the cooks love to eat spicy food, so they are cooking food they like to eat, and think there is enough of a market to support a business. That's great. They name it "Dangerous Flavor Outlet" or DFO.
About a month after Dangerous Flavor Outlet opens the critics start writing up reviews. It's terrible! 1 out of 5 stars! The menu is impossible to read, and the service is horrible. The food is spicy - so spicy in fact, that it seems to be masking spoiled ingredients and otherwise covering up bad taste.
The owners of DFO say: Well, these food critics aren't really into hardcore spices. They come in the door expecting some TGIFriday's or Bennigans clone. Go back to your mashed potatoes and baby food, this is food for culinarily adventurous!
The critics reply: No, no. We love spicy food. We eat spice food all the time. We just don't like this spicy food for the reasons we listed.
And the owners of DFO reply: Well, we're not making food for critics.
Yep, just look at this forum. People often scream out in pure fear "this is not like WoW.....it is broken!", and then we except to get a DF based review? No way it gonna work.
Allow me to make an analogy.
Lets say there is a new restaurant in town. It specializes in extremely hardcore spicy dishes, knowing that this is a niche market. But all the cooks love to eat spicy food, so they are cooking food they like to eat, and think there is enough of a market to support a business. That's great. They name it "Dangerous Flavor Outlet" or DFO.
About a month after Dangerous Flavor Outlet opens the critics start writing up reviews. It's terrible! 1 out of 5 stars! The menu is impossible to read, and the service is horrible. The food is spicy - so spicy in fact, that it seems to be masking spoiled ingredients and otherwise covering up bad taste.
The owners of DFO say: Well, these food critics aren't really into hardcore spices. They come in the door expecting some TGIFriday's or Bennigans clone. Go back to your mashed potatoes and baby food, this is food for culinarily adventurous!
The critics reply: No, no. We love spicy food. We eat spice food all the time. We just don't like this spicy food for the reasons we listed.
And the owners of DFO reply: Well, we're not making food for critics.
You missed out the part of how ed zitron being a confessed hater of spicy food went in there had one nibble of the starter dish and left and wrote his review.
At the time I of the review I thought DFO was a turd and agreed with the review until AV pulled the server logs and revealed he'd been logged in to DFO for less than 2 hours I believe? Back then even I said that it wasn't enough to write any review either good or bad and he was very unprofessional in his job as a journalist.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Reviewers are supposed to write a review fron the perspective of their target audience. If they fail to do this then they end up writing something extremely biased.
I've not yet played Darkfall but enjoy a variety of games having played UO (pre Tramnel) to the themepark style games, WoW and so on... Still, everything will always have both positive and negative press. let the fans be fans and let the haters be haters. In the end, what difference does it really make to you, the gamer?
Originally posted by Agricola1 You missed out the part of how ed zitron being a confessed hater of spicy food went in there had one nibble of the starter dish and left and wrote his review. At the time I of the review I thought DFO was a turd and agreed with the review until AV pulled the server logs and revealed he'd been logged in to DFO for less than 2 hours I believe? Back then even I said that it wasn't enough to write any review either good or bad and he was very unprofessional in his job as a journalist.
Originally posted by Agricola1 You missed out the part of how ed zitron being a confessed hater of spicy food went in there had one nibble of the starter dish and left and wrote his review. At the time I of the review I thought DFO was a turd and agreed with the review until AV pulled the server logs and revealed he'd been logged in to DFO for less than 2 hours I believe? Back then even I said that it wasn't enough to write any review either good or bad and he was very unprofessional in his job as a journalist.
"Anyone who has declared someone else to be an idiot, a bad apple, is annoyed when it turns out in the end that he isn't."
or
"Blessed are the forgetful: for they get the better even of their blunders."
or
"I love those who do not know how to live for today."
I love you my friend,
Agricola
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Yep, just look at this forum. People often scream out in pure fear "this is not like WoW.....it is broken!", and then we except to get a DF based review? No way it gonna work.
Allow me to make an analogy.
Lets say there is a new restaurant in town. It specializes in extremely hardcore spicy dishes, knowing that this is a niche market. But all the cooks love to eat spicy food, so they are cooking food they like to eat, and think there is enough of a market to support a business. That's great. They name it "Dangerous Flavor Outlet" or DFO.
About a month after Dangerous Flavor Outlet opens the critics start writing up reviews. It's terrible! 1 out of 5 stars! The menu is impossible to read, and the service is horrible. The food is spicy - so spicy in fact, that it seems to be masking spoiled ingredients and otherwise covering up bad taste.
The owners of DFO say: Well, these food critics aren't really into hardcore spices. They come in the door expecting some TGIFriday's or Bennigans clone. Go back to your mashed potatoes and baby food, this is food for culinarily adventurous!
The critics reply: No, no. We love spicy food. We eat spice food all the time. We just don't like this spicy food for the reasons we listed.
And the owners of DFO reply: Well, we're not making food for critics.
Shablam!
This is so true.
People who review an MMO, if not having extra money thrown at them for better reviews(OH GOD TIN FOIL HAT GOOO), try to look at things very subjectively. You have to take in account many different aspects of the game to rate it fairly (not a huge company like EA/Bioware or Blizzard, a lot less people working on it, less funds, etc), yet you can only bend so much. And just how much do you bend for these certain particulars of each game? Besides all that, some MMOs are different in some ways, which would also affect the review.
The example above is almost spot on. A very few people might enjoy the spice over quality, quantity, looks, taste, overall feel, or whatnot, but most will just never come back, OR if enough friends that enjoy very similar things to them say, don't go there, they will not.
Someone mentioned something about anyone that says anything good about DFO = Happy DFO players, and anyone that mentions anything bad about DFO = DFO players smash. There are very few other games that I see such an overwhelming, vehement response to some sort of bad review or comment about DFO. You call Wow, or lotro or another big mmo bad, maybe one out of ten people get bent out of shape, the rest just laugh and continue having fun in their game.
Since you're so fond of Nietzsche "Anyone who has declared someone else to be an idiot, a bad apple, is annoyed when it turns out in the end that he isn't." or "Blessed are the forgetful: for they get the better even of their blunders." or "I love those who do not know how to live for today." I love you my friend, Agricola
None of which are particularly relevant to this conversation.
Some more of Tasos' ( paraphrased ) quotes:
"GMs are incapable of kicking people from the server." - in response to people claiming they were getting booted from the server during sieges
"GMs are actively kicking macroers and banning hackers from the server." - An announcement a short time later ( 2 weeks / months, not sure which ) about macros being bootable.
Just a bit: ???
EDIT: Also, take note that Tasos has pretty much been removed from the public eye, and Cladius or whatever has been put in.
EDIT: Also, take note that Tasos has pretty much been removed from the public eye, and Cladius or whatever has been put in.
Wrong , the Community Liason team covers a big part of what Tasos did in the past at the spotlight section but still Tasos has last word in announcement section (hence he is associative producer ) and Claus and Kjetil just jump in in case of very technical discussion.
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"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Lets say there is a new restaurant in town. It specializes in extremely hardcore spicy dishes, knowing that this is a niche market. But all the cooks love to eat spicy food, so they are cooking food they like to eat, and think there is enough of a market to support a business. That's great. They name it "Dangerous Flavor Outlet" or DFO.
About a month after Dangerous Flavor Outlet opens the critics start writing up reviews. It's terrible! 1 out of 5 stars! The menu is impossible to read, and the service is horrible. The food is spicy - so spicy in fact, that it seems to be masking spoiled ingredients and otherwise covering up bad taste.
The owners of DFO say: Well, these food critics aren't really into hardcore spices. They come in the door expecting some TGIFriday's or Bennigans clone. Go back to your mashed potatoes and baby food, this is food for culinarily adventurous!
The critics reply: No, no. We love spicy food. We eat spice food all the time. We just don't like this spicy food for the reasons we listed.
And the owners of DFO reply: Well, we're not making food for critics.
Replace Darkfall with fans of any MMO in your statements and nothing changes.
This is the truth. I have no idea why people are bashing Darkfall fans for defending a game they love to play. Attack any MMO, and its fans will defend it.
In this case there was no attack, just a reference to an immature remark by a corporation.
I'm not talking about the reference, I'm talking about responses 6 and 18 and posters with similar mindsets bashing DFO fans for defending the game/dev in this thread and others. It's truly stupid to bash any people who like something for defending it.
Nah, we're not bashing you for defending your game. We're bashing you for how zealous you are (obviously, "you" doesn't necessarily mean everyone, just those who speak for the DF community; you know who "you" are). There's a difference between:
"I didn't like the review. It was well-written, but the points he makes are wrong for X and Y reasons." (Admittedly, some Darkfall fans reacted this way. Which is good. But others...)
"That review SUCKED! What the FUCK, did this guy even PLAY for more than FIVE MINUTES? SERIOUSLY! He's probably a WoW-LOVIN LITTLE KID who can't DEAL WITH HARDCORE DARKFALL, so he should just SHUT UP!"
No, those aren't exact quotes, but they're close enough.
The MMO genre is made up of different types of games. When reviewing one, it's important to take into consideration what that game's target audience is. That's true. But what's also true is that game is going to be compared with the other games in the genre. Why? Because they're all MMOs. If you want to go and create your own sub-genre, go ahead. That's basically what's happened anyways; sandbox vs. themepark. Do you honestly think anyone in Darkfall's target audience would give it a bad review?
Hell. No.
It's basically the best thing out there for them right now, so they can't bear to criticize it. If they do, it'll look something like this:
"The UI sucks. But you know what? Who gives a flying fuck! This game is great. It's the best thing out there for a hardcore, FFA PvPer for me, and that's all I want. 10/10!"
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I truly think that Adventurine and the die hard DF players want to believe this is the best game ever made, and so they make excuses to why bad reviews come out. But then when there is something positive said they focus on it and say "see told you it's awesome". That's normal for people who are a fan of anything in life.
It happens in every aspect of life with every type of entertainment, relationship etc. If you like something and someone else doesn't then they must be wrong. It doesn't matter if a very small amount of people play DF, which shows that most of the MMO players in the world don't like the game, all that matters is they like it so in their mind people who don't are stupid.
When I like niche products I at least admit to myself that most people wouldn't like it, and that just because it caters to a niche audience that I like, does not mean the game is amazing. It means it is simply something that a small amount of people want to do. But for some reason both sides of the argument on this topic can't realize this. Because something fills a niche, the majority of the reviews aren't going to be favorable, it's best to accept that going in then be mad about it.
So DF side, it's not the most amazing game ever made. But it did create a game that fits it's target audience and so being in that audience you should be happy in that fact. At the same time you should fully understand and accept that the majority of the gamers are never going to like this game, ever. There will be reviews that say how it's not a fun game, you should understand that and accept it. It does not mean the reviewer is a carebear or an idiot or any other ridiculous fact. Yes you are right in the fact that some people will think this game is amazing, but wrong in the fact that you want everyone to think this game is amazing.
Anti DF side. This game is made for a niche audience. As such you are most likely not going to enjoy it. You are also going to read praise from a few obscure sources because those sources are the niche audience. This does not mean they are wrong, but you should also understand that the fans of the game are going to love to read reviews that like the game in the same way they do. That's called community and is normal for video games, sports teams, etc. But yes you are right in the fact that most people will hate this game, but wrong in the fact that you have to try and prove it.
Let me put this simple for people who review and play and consider and or hates darkfall.
Some people like Darkfall a lot but Darkfall is only for a certain type of person..
For example you can't really expect someone who hats lord of the rings to review lotro. You can't expect someone who hates fps games to review global agenda.
It's the same thing with Darkfall. These avg gamers are reviewing a game that does not fit their play style.
Someone comes out and creates something new and diff that only fits say 5% of the population then it will get bad reviews.
This will be a forever none stop war..
SNIP
QFE!
Reminds me Fallen Earth.
I saw so many bad comments and reviews about the combat style that I decided to try it out with the trial.
I was pleased with their FPS aiming system and I wish more MMO would do the same, but as you're pointing at, not everyone likes it. And it seems they are the more voicy ones...
Way to go and get bent over them not having a free trial. That is what this is really about isnt it? i noticed last night you were bitching about some other game or game company in another post. Someone pass him a manpon because i think he started his monthly cycle.
Im itching to get in this game and will hopefully be playing Darkfall by this weekend. Ive read a million posts and seen a ton of videos. It is looking like my kind of game. I wish they had a free trial too but they dont so i had to do a little research before i decided it was a game i want to play.
As someone who is been going to school for IT for many years and into things like MMORPG creation and such I can tell you a trial at this time for Darkfall is almost impossible. In the future if they created some type of special island once things are fixed and get more progressed overtime then yeah trial would work.
But at this time they don't need people who want a trial and say the game sucks without it. They really are taking their time to provide quality and don't need 10000000 people right now.
They stated this like 5 years ago and they stated this even more since so many MMO's have been failing at launch.
SNIP
Replace Darkfall with fans of any MMO in your statements and nothing changes.
Replace Darkfall with fans of any MMO in your statements and nothing changes.
This is the truth. I have no idea why people are bashing Darkfall fans for defending a game they love to play. Attack any MMO, and its fans will defend it.
Current: None
Played: WoW, CoX, SWG, LotRO, EVE, AoC, VG, CO, Ryzom, DF, WAR
Tried: Lineage2, Dofus, EQ2, CoS, FE, UO, Wurm, Wakfu
Future: The Repopulation, ArcheAge, Black Desert, EQN
Replace Darkfall with fans of any MMO in your statements and nothing changes.
This is the truth. I have no idea why people are bashing Darkfall fans for defending a game they love to play. Attack any MMO, and its fans will defend it.
Sure. But Darkfall fans are the most entertaining.
Sure. But Darkfall fans are the most entertaining.
Yes we are!
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Are you new to mmorpg.com dfo forums or what? if you are why are you commenting on something that you have 0 information about, Devour trolled DFo before it came out and still to this date is.
Actually for a reviewer by this company( more linear type games) 6 is a pretty fair score.
But thanks to you I know why people post non logical posts, because they have no idea what they are talking about. Next troll please thanks.
I'm not sure you even know what you are talking about, Izure. What Commitus said is completly true. If DarkFall has a bad review: Well the reviewer sucks. If DF gets a good review: Good times! Just don't forget that this rule applies to ALL game though.
I would have to agree here. Personally I did not find that line "DF is not for reviewers" that much of a deal, but as always, fanbois take anything theoretically negative into extremes. Should of just laughed at AVs childish "They told bad things about our game, they must be evil, waaaaaa".
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Replace Darkfall with fans of any MMO in your statements and nothing changes.
This is the truth. I have no idea why people are bashing Darkfall fans for defending a game they love to play. Attack any MMO, and its fans will defend it.
In this case there was no attack, just a reference to an immature remark by a corporation.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
To be fair, the review was pretty bad. It touched on almost no aspects of the game that most people deem it's main positives, and ended on a very cliche finisher that both didn't make sense, and held no actual realistic representation of how most people feel about the game.
It truly is either a like-it-or-don't kind of game, but I also hate reviews in general. The reviewer is just someone who clearly wasn't brought into the type of gameplay that Darkfall offers and I don't see how their opinion means anything to the thousands of other gamers who will be. I also don't see why AV can't poke some fun at opinions, I understand business maturity... but are they not humans also?
Maybe, just maybe, Devour is trying to open up discussion. You know, discussion, that thing that occurs on forums.
I know, but I don't understand the point he's trying to make. You know, the point, that thing that occurs in a discussion.
WIN
Replace Darkfall with fans of any MMO in your statements and nothing changes.
This is the truth. I have no idea why people are bashing Darkfall fans for defending a game they love to play. Attack any MMO, and its fans will defend it.
In this case there was no attack, just a reference to an immature remark by a corporation.
I'm not talking about the reference, I'm talking about responses 6 and 18 and posters with similar mindsets bashing DFO fans for defending the game/dev in this thread and others. It's truly stupid to bash any people who like something for defending it.
Current: None
Played: WoW, CoX, SWG, LotRO, EVE, AoC, VG, CO, Ryzom, DF, WAR
Tried: Lineage2, Dofus, EQ2, CoS, FE, UO, Wurm, Wakfu
Future: The Repopulation, ArcheAge, Black Desert, EQN
Mmmm... Spoiled ingredients... *drool*
You missed out the part of how ed zitron being a confessed hater of spicy food went in there had one nibble of the starter dish and left and wrote his review.
At the time I of the review I thought DFO was a turd and agreed with the review until AV pulled the server logs and revealed he'd been logged in to DFO for less than 2 hours I believe? Back then even I said that it wasn't enough to write any review either good or bad and he was very unprofessional in his job as a journalist.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Reviewers are supposed to write a review fron the perspective of their target audience. If they fail to do this then they end up writing something extremely biased.
I've not yet played Darkfall but enjoy a variety of games having played UO (pre Tramnel) to the themepark style games, WoW and so on... Still, everything will always have both positive and negative press. let the fans be fans and let the haters be haters. In the end, what difference does it really make to you, the gamer?
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Server logs which could be easily editted.
Then again, we all know that Tasos is an entirely trustworthy and truthful chap, who didn't say that the game was feature complete and ready for release in 2005.
lol.
Server logs which could be easily editted.
Then again, we all know that Tasos is an entirely trustworthy and truthful chap, who didn't say that the game was feature complete and ready for release in 2005.
lol.
Since you're so fond of Nietzsche
"Anyone who has declared someone else to be an idiot, a bad apple, is annoyed when it turns out in the end that he isn't."
or
"Blessed are the forgetful: for they get the better even of their blunders."
or
"I love those who do not know how to live for today."
I love you my friend,
Agricola
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Shablam!
This is so true.
People who review an MMO, if not having extra money thrown at them for better reviews(OH GOD TIN FOIL HAT GOOO), try to look at things very subjectively. You have to take in account many different aspects of the game to rate it fairly (not a huge company like EA/Bioware or Blizzard, a lot less people working on it, less funds, etc), yet you can only bend so much. And just how much do you bend for these certain particulars of each game? Besides all that, some MMOs are different in some ways, which would also affect the review.
The example above is almost spot on. A very few people might enjoy the spice over quality, quantity, looks, taste, overall feel, or whatnot, but most will just never come back, OR if enough friends that enjoy very similar things to them say, don't go there, they will not.
Someone mentioned something about anyone that says anything good about DFO = Happy DFO players, and anyone that mentions anything bad about DFO = DFO players smash. There are very few other games that I see such an overwhelming, vehement response to some sort of bad review or comment about DFO. You call Wow, or lotro or another big mmo bad, maybe one out of ten people get bent out of shape, the rest just laugh and continue having fun in their game.
None of which are particularly relevant to this conversation.
Some more of Tasos' ( paraphrased ) quotes:
"GMs are incapable of kicking people from the server." - in response to people claiming they were getting booted from the server during sieges
"GMs are actively kicking macroers and banning hackers from the server." - An announcement a short time later ( 2 weeks / months, not sure which ) about macros being bootable.
Just a bit: ???
EDIT: Also, take note that Tasos has pretty much been removed from the public eye, and Cladius or whatever has been put in.
Wrong , the Community Liason team covers a big part of what Tasos did in the past at the spotlight section but still Tasos has last word in announcement section (hence he is associative producer ) and Claus and Kjetil just jump in in case of very technical discussion.
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
man that made me lol
BestSigEver :P
Replace Darkfall with fans of any MMO in your statements and nothing changes.
This is the truth. I have no idea why people are bashing Darkfall fans for defending a game they love to play. Attack any MMO, and its fans will defend it.
In this case there was no attack, just a reference to an immature remark by a corporation.
I'm not talking about the reference, I'm talking about responses 6 and 18 and posters with similar mindsets bashing DFO fans for defending the game/dev in this thread and others. It's truly stupid to bash any people who like something for defending it.
Nah, we're not bashing you for defending your game. We're bashing you for how zealous you are (obviously, "you" doesn't necessarily mean everyone, just those who speak for the DF community; you know who "you" are). There's a difference between:
No, those aren't exact quotes, but they're close enough.
The MMO genre is made up of different types of games. When reviewing one, it's important to take into consideration what that game's target audience is. That's true. But what's also true is that game is going to be compared with the other games in the genre. Why? Because they're all MMOs. If you want to go and create your own sub-genre, go ahead. That's basically what's happened anyways; sandbox vs. themepark. Do you honestly think anyone in Darkfall's target audience would give it a bad review?
Hell. No.
It's basically the best thing out there for them right now, so they can't bear to criticize it. If they do, it'll look something like this:
"The UI sucks. But you know what? Who gives a flying fuck! This game is great. It's the best thing out there for a hardcore, FFA PvPer for me, and that's all I want. 10/10!"
Really? Unbiased?