Wow Warjin. You are a moron. You live in Harrisburg PA?
LOL I live in Elizabethville, PA. You can get so many good connections from Comcast and Verizon for $20-$50 a month with over 20MBPS connection possible for $50 which means you can download over 2 Megs a second. I use to live in Halifax, but moved and can only get DSL.
I Had comcast cable for $50 a month with a 25mbps connection and would download 2-3megs a second, which would download Global Agenda in less then 1 hour. You are 32 years old, but reading from your posts and now seeing where you are from, you act like a Teenager who is broke and dont know anything.
Seriously, you are not cooler because you have a better internet connection or are willing/able to afford one.
My internet connection is the best Verizon FIOS will sell me, doesn't change the fact I still go to the Bookstore to order books, (which are made of paper btw) pick up my movies at Blockbuster and yes, I buy most games at Gamestop when possible.
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Hmmm Best Buy here never has games available on Launch Day - they live on their own calendar.
Gamestop = Fail - at least the one by my house - I swear they've never even heard of something called a PC.
EB Games - a bit better (and yes I have both, actually within a block of each other), but they don't keep enough of anything in stock.
EA doesn't have stores, and every game I've bought recently from EA has been buggy.
Amazon = Win - if you can wait for it to be shipped.
But basically for an MMO your best source is DL - yes there is a bit of initial pain (though not for me - I have 20 connection) - even if you got a disc and had to reinstall sometime in the future you'd still download it again to get the latest stuff - or patch for hours.
Might I point out that this is the only way to get a box copy. HiRez is not some megacorp like EA or Activision that can publish their own games easily. By going through steam, and having a small box edition through amazon they can save a ton of money than going through brick and mortor pre-orders.
I pay 57 a month for the fastest Brighthouse internet you can get. No phone, no TV, just internet, saves me a bunch of money rather than paying for all the other crap.
I know the guys at my local Gamestop about 30 seconds from my house. They will hook me up with games early, give me pre order bonuses w/o preordering, and get all the info they can on any game i'm interested in. I love interacting with vendors, and visiting the store. I prefer to buy all games through them if I can.
I know everyone doesn't have this setup and DL may be a good method, but I am a bit impulsive. If I want a game I want it immediately. EVE online is about the only game that I can DL in a reasonable time. I would rather jump in the car and get out of the house for a few, chat with some gamers in person, buy a game, bring it home, and enjoy.
I have to agree with DL, 1) your investment is typicaly protected especialy if you go with some one reputable i.e. Steam HD crash no prob just pull it back down, granted if you have the disk for as long as the disk works your good but thouse disks dont last forever . . . any idea howmany games I have had to re-buy cuz the disk is failed . . . well you could just torrent i suppose you do own a license but wait thats DL. 2) not that I am a major tree hugger but its never bad to cut down on waste and its not a huge source of waste but it is one, it also cuts back on packaging cost to bad we dont usualy see that savings lol.
What i think should be done as the standard not that any one asked, is for the primary form to be DL but for CE to be available as a physical box with a DL. for games I am really hyped on I would like to have a physical box for collection one that I did not have to open preferably i.e. DL contet + a truly collectable box set for thouse of us into such things.
DL really is the way to go, the main argument that it takes to long is a bit of BS, it takes longer on even a DSL connection (for me any way I live 20min +/- from a game store) to go out buy the box, pay sales tax on it, drive back install it, patch it and play it than it does to just DL it and play it even the big ass games. The argument of wanting a physical product sure I understand that for both tthe collector and the people that thing its more secure becauase its on plastic than it is when its on thouse metal platters of your HD (some are glass I know) but you can simply burn it to DVD, DVD burner is just as cheep from Tigger as not in fact I haven't seen a drive thats not a burner in some time really . . . but for the collector I do think they should offer some high quality box set not to be opened and installed but for (wait for it) collecting I would buy them and they should come with a DL link and a key that I can get at without having to open the damn CE box.
For note though I collect for games I just want to play not nessisarly collect I just hit Direct2Drive or Steam (prefer Steam) and DL it, this way its forever backed up (untill they go belly up) not to mention my personal backups and archives, it does not requier the CD to be in the bloody system (hate that though there is a bit of software to make even CD based games not requier there CD) and it is cheeper and faster than drivign to a store hoping they have it in stock buying it with state sales tax applied to it.
I really think you and alot are missing the Point, the Point is Why no Box Copy, Why Limit your sale?
If I want to sell video wouldn't It be smart to offer both a Box copy and a D Download?
Apart MMOs that needs a subscription, boxed games are really hurting the game developers as when you resell a game the studio that spent 2-3 years making the game won't see any penny of that transaction.
So around 80% of the whole money spent in video games does not go to the developers but the resellers.
You feel more secure with a box, but imagine your house pass through a fire and you lost your game(s). Sure the insurance will refund some of it but not everything. If you happen to scratch your DVD you can't play anymore. Same if you loose your DVD, or lend it to a friend that keeps forgetting to bring it back to you.
All the above issues are lifted with steam as long as you have an internet connexion. Top of that you might get a more recent version of your game meaning you don't have to install then to patch.
Even better, in a world that's aiming towards greener environment not only your box won't ever end in the garbage collector but also no gaz will be burnt while transporting your neat box from the factory to your house and even less materials will be used to build the box and press the DVD(s).
As a note just look at the trend in movies. Soon or later you won't go anymore to a store to rent them and need to bring them back when you are finished. DVD and Blu-ray are becoming a thing of the past. People don't want anymore the hassle of physical supports.
Finally, while I agree the internet speed is low considering the huge amount of data needed by a game or a high resolution movie, nothing prevents you to download during your sleep hours nor when you are away from your home, as most people do.
So I was out the door about to buy GA, but before went I said to myself, let me check the stores online so I know which one to go to, come to found out you can only get it from a Download. ??? Ummm to bad I will not DL a game and never will untill I can get a100 Gigabytes/sec download speed for under $40 a mouth(come back in the year 2020), for one takes to dam long and I like the security a box copy gives (No I don't have a burner) so guess I will not be playing this game.
op!me im all for dl online the thing is tho the problem is the WE DO E-STORE TRANSACTION ONLY !i am sorry but i WILL NOT
embrace that!i dont like the thing like paypal,using your debit or presonnal credit card online!yes IF nothing happen its fine!
but since we see horror story every day about people being charged twice and all kind of stuff that are impossibly hard to remove after its done i say hell no i ll stop playing mmo before .
ebgame tho might be on to something!the clerc at my local store told me that some title are online only and ebgame feel they are loosing a big chunk of customer (those that feel like me)so they re working on a card they will sell at your regular ebgame or gamestop and this card will be usable to buy various goods at their e-store.this will defenetly make me buy goods at e-store
pre-paid credit card was nice till they decided they needed your personnal id !cant they get in their thick head
we do not want our personal info online gees!its like saying your social number online lol!its the freaking same thing!
gamestop/ebgame new card wont change buying game a lot but it will make the game that arent at your local store
Wow Warjin. You are a moron. You live in Harrisburg PA?
LOL I live in Elizabethville, PA. You can get so many good connections from Comcast and Verizon for $20-$50 a month with over 20MBPS connection possible for $50 which means you can download over 2 Megs a second. I use to live in Halifax, but moved and can only get DSL.
I Had comcast cable for $50 a month with a 25mbps connection and would download 2-3megs a second, which would download Global Agenda in less then 1 hour. You are 32 years old, but reading from your posts and now seeing where you are from, you act like a Teenager who is broke and dont know anything.
Seriously, you are not cooler because you have a better internet connection or are willing/able to afford one.
My internet connection is the best Verizon FIOS will sell me, doesn't change the fact I still go to the Bookstore to order books, (which are made of paper btw) pick up my movies at Blockbuster and yes, I buy most games at Gamestop when possible.
And this makes you any cooler? I'm glad you like to get out and about but I do believe that has nothing to do with the post you quoted. The reply was highlighting the fact that there options for faster connection for less than the stated $100 in the same state.
All power to those who prefer box over digital, I myself am a hoarder of boxes for games and things but the fact remains we will see the steady decline of traditional box sales in the software environment. Perhaps OP could kindly ask someone to send him a disc with the client on it?
End user fail. A 2 mbs connection is so 1999. I have a 2 mbs 3G connection on my mobile, which costs me 14.99€ per month. Welcome to 2010.
not all areas have cable internet, and depending on how close you are to the exchange, your download rate via adsl, might at best only be 512k .. it all depends where you live, and that my friend is the state of things in 2010.. as for GA, well, if the game fails because of lack of roll out.. whose fault is it really ? seriously.. some people are so anal these days.
I don't buy DL only if I can help it for a different reason. Its not any cheaper than the box at a store.
I mean, there is no packaging and no shipping involved and an often reduced marketing cost and yet they charge the same price for a DL. Screw that...I get what I pay for, so if I can help it, i'll buy at the store and see my money go a bit further. Its just a principle, and I am just that kind of jerk.
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One thing keeps coming up.. Shit net connection. Bandwidth caps? Your fault Slow download? Your fault A few hours downloading when your not really doing much or afk? Who cares and if its taken more then a few. Get a new ISP or stfu and deal with it. either way you have to downlaod patches
Not everyone is rich and can spare $100 a mth for internet, Sorry My Fault
Not everyone lives with there parents to afford the high end goodies, Sorry again My fault
Yes a few hours Downloading will hurt if you work from home using the internet and your internet is lagging you out from working and cost you real money (not In game gold), So I could get a new ISP and pay more taking home less gross pay, but at least I get to play Global Agenda: )
Bottom line a smart Business will do BOTH. WRONG!!! GA is produced and developed by HiRez Studios. They are a small independant company that doesn't have the pockets to distribute boxed copies across the country. They offer a box through Amazon.com and digital download. They do offer both. And they are going about it in a very smart way.
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Please, learn something about buisiness before you try to think of what is smart or not.
Yeah, I'm old school, I like to go to the store and pick it up at my local Gamestop. Not saying I won't buy a download only game (I did so with EVE, ROM and some others), but its not my preference.
I"m the same and will always take a box over a download. Like having the hardcopy.
However, if a company needs to be download only and I want the game I'll just set it to download and wait it out. it's not like I don't have other things to do.
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Wow Warjin. You are a moron. You live in Harrisburg PA?
LOL I live in Elizabethville, PA. You can get so many good connections from Comcast and Verizon for $20-$50 a month with over 20MBPS connection possible for $50 which means you can download over 2 Megs a second. I use to live in Halifax, but moved and can only get DSL.
I Had comcast cable for $50 a month with a 25mbps connection and would download 2-3megs a second, which would download Global Agenda in less then 1 hour. You are 32 years old, but reading from your posts and now seeing where you are from, you act like a Teenager who is broke and dont know anything.
Seriously, you are not cooler because you have a better internet connection or are willing/able to afford one.
My internet connection is the best Verizon FIOS will sell me, doesn't change the fact I still go to the Bookstore to order books, (which are made of paper btw) pick up my movies at Blockbuster and yes, I buy most games at Gamestop when possible.
And this makes you any cooler? I'm glad you like to get out and about but I do believe that has nothing to do with the post you quoted. The reply was highlighting the fact that there options for faster connection for less than the stated $100 in the same state.
All power to those who prefer box over digital, I myself am a hoarder of boxes for games and things but the fact remains we will see the steady decline of traditional box sales in the software environment. Perhaps OP could kindly ask someone to send him a disc with the client on it?
Well, I'm much cooler than you for a lot of good reasons, but my internet connection or purchasing habits certainly aren't on the list.
And I'm not calling people names like the person did who I quoted.
The OP was about whether or not it was a good thing for games to be only released digitally vs having a boxed copy. Somehow it did go off track and people started thrashing about how they had great internet connections and the OP should go out and get one. Then we got into an argument about how much it should cost. (your results will vary on this point, depending on where you live and what you are looking for, I pay about 55.00/mo or so for mine)
I was attempting the drag the thread back on topic about why people might prefer boxes even if they had good connections, and therefore appreciated when it was possible to pick one up.
But not all games are published equally, and I certainly don't avoid them if they aren't in a box.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Yeah, I'm old school, I like to go to the store and pick it up at my local Gamestop. Not saying I won't buy a download only game (I did so with EVE, ROM and some others), but its not my preference.
I"m the same and will always take a box over a download. Like having the hardcopy.
However, if a company needs to be download only and I want the game I'll just set it to download and wait it out. it's not like I don't have other things to do.
End user fail. A 2 mbs connection is so 1999. I have a 2 mbs 3G connection on my mobile, which costs me 14.99€ per month. Welcome to 2010.
not all areas have cable internet, and depending on how close you are to the exchange, your download rate via adsl, might at best only be 512k .. it all depends where you live, and that my friend is the state of things in 2010.. as for GA, well, if the game fails because of lack of roll out.. whose fault is it really ? seriously.. some people are so anal these days.
No offense to those that are in that small percentage of areas that are dial up only but...Most MMOs' dont even support dial up at all so if you have something slower than cable or dsl.......you wouldn't enjoy MMOs on that crap connection anyway. I can understand the frustration over the lack of boxes in some cases but honestly...Gamestop Sucks ass, EA store is terrible, and Best Buy is ...decent for console games.
PC games are going the way of downloads only which in the end will likely be better for PC games in the end. Unless your downloading a crap ton of illegal software, movies, and music downloading a game or two a month doesn't hurt anyone with a download cap.
Global Agenda is being made by a small indepedant company thats not sold its soul out to a publisher like EA or Activision. Everyone wants something independant but cries when they learn it means there's less options for purchasing. You know it takes alot of MONEY to produce all those packaged products that sit on the shelves adn independants without publishers can't afford that and still be able to survive.
Not sure if its been covered cause I didnt read the entire thread, but as an indy developer with no publisher its not surprising that they are only releasing a digital release. They have the game available through steam, D2D, their website, and Im sure other places.
To get a box copy and distribute it takes lots of money if you self publish, its easier for a direct download...and no offense but with stores like gamestop limiting their pc shelf space that is relatively low profit as opposed to maximizing shelf space for used console games that are a hell of a markup odds are in the coming years most of our purchases will be digital.
So...even with a slow pc, set it up the night before to download, and you are fine...even on a slow connection like DSL it should be less than 24 hours to download the game.
WHAT?! have you heard of DLCs? Digital delivery is the future of gaming. If your internet isn't fast enough to download this game, why are you trying to play an MMO in the first place?! and you could have pre-d-loaded it. Then you don't have to do do anything when it launches. IE: going to get the game from a store. Seriously though, if your internet isn't fast enough for the d-load, it's not fast enough to play it.
Ummm unless i am mistaken you can get a box copy on amazon. It wont be the wtfpwn instant gratification most people want.
But if you want a physical copy then buy one.
I also like a physical copy, or used to rather. Downloading saves me gas money and sales tax. And as someone pointed out the time I drive to the store and back, install, patch and then finally play is not that much of a difference than downloading.
An example of saving for me would be Bioshock 2. On sale steam version & D2D for $44.95. Gamestop would be $ 49.99 Plus sales tax, plus gas. Buy on steam saves me about 10-12 bucks when its all said and done. Not a whole lot I know, but average that out over a year and it gets to be substantial.
It all depends on how you look at it I guess, even tho I personally prefer a box with a disc, I will download just to save the money. And on the plus side I can download from steam or D2D whenever I want .
And I do agree that they will lose out on the impulse buys at the retail stores. But i am sure that they too realize this.
Isnt the solution as easy as buying the box online...............why does this thread exist?
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Originally posted by Kyleran Originally posted by shepx22 Wow Warjin. You are a moron. You live in Harrisburg PA?
LOL I live in Elizabethville, PA. You can get so many good connections from Comcast and Verizon for $20-$50 a month with over 20MBPS connection possible for $50 which means you can download over 2 Megs a second. I use to live in Halifax, but moved and can only get DSL.
I Had comcast cable for $50 a month with a 25mbps connection and would download 2-3megs a second, which would download Global Agenda in less then 1 hour. You are 32 years old, but reading from your posts and now seeing where you are from, you act like a Teenager who is broke and dont know anything.
Seriously, you are not cooler because you have a better internet connection or are willing/able to afford one. My internet connection is the best Verizon FIOS will sell me, doesn't change the fact I still go to the Bookstore to order books, (which are made of paper btw) pick up my movies at Blockbuster and yes, I buy most games at Gamestop when possible.
If indeed you're not lying and do in fact have Fios it would take you less time to download a Blu-Ray PS3 game then to visit Blockbuster. I currently use high-speed cable (about 1/3 the speed of Fios's slowest package and I download about 40gigs in under 5 hours)
So ya...you may in fact choose to buy brick in mortar over digital but that doesn't change the fact that most people are going to view such an action as rather dimwitted.
Just from a distribution standpoint this is suicide, think of all the customers that browse for a new PC game, not knowing what they want. They're missing out on that entire section of the market. I liked the initial ideas behind this game but it's basically guild wars with a sci fi skin, oh and it has a sub fee, oh and it's digital download only.... Needless to say i'm not dropping 50 on this
ebgame local store might favor by a big long stretch console game(tradable)but the fact is computer game is a big market also and as a lot of mmo maker found the hard way only 20% of all mmo gamer buy online the rest get their fix elsewhere
be it f2p (asia)or in store (america and europe)so you might try to convince yourself digital e-store bot copy is the way of the futur
but unless they find a way to make people pay without having to show an id im sorry but e-store will only be for nerd.
Just from a distribution standpoint this is suicide, think of all the customers that browse for a new PC game, not knowing what they want. They're missing out on that entire section of the market. I liked the initial ideas behind this game but it's basically guild wars with a sci fi skin, oh and it has a sub fee, oh and it's digital download only.... Needless to say i'm not dropping 50 on this
Browsing games... In a store? You're on a web sight called MMORPG.COM .... yes, it has a game list.
WHAT?! have you heard of DLCs? Digital delivery is the future of gaming. If your internet isn't fast enough to download this game, why are you trying to play an MMO in the first place?! and you could have pre-d-loaded it. Then you don't have to do do anything when it launches. IE: going to get the game from a store. Seriously though, if your internet isn't fast enough for the d-load, it's not fast enough to play it.
Yeah, because MMOs are always high-end games that require the most of hardware and network.
It's all about accessibility, that has always been the core of MMOs because they target on people around the average hardware and a bit lower, that's where the majority are so it's the most potential area from a developer perspective.
I can't see why they couldn't simply ship some cheap boxes individually through orders on their website, heck, even a small dvd case with a picture of the game and the DVD would work. I might be one of the last people believing in PC boxes though.
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Seriously, you are not cooler because you have a better internet connection or are willing/able to afford one.
My internet connection is the best Verizon FIOS will sell me, doesn't change the fact I still go to the Bookstore to order books, (which are made of paper btw) pick up my movies at Blockbuster and yes, I buy most games at Gamestop when possible.
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Hmmm Best Buy here never has games available on Launch Day - they live on their own calendar.
Gamestop = Fail - at least the one by my house - I swear they've never even heard of something called a PC.
EB Games - a bit better (and yes I have both, actually within a block of each other), but they don't keep enough of anything in stock.
EA doesn't have stores, and every game I've bought recently from EA has been buggy.
Amazon = Win - if you can wait for it to be shipped.
But basically for an MMO your best source is DL - yes there is a bit of initial pain (though not for me - I have 20 connection) - even if you got a disc and had to reinstall sometime in the future you'd still download it again to get the latest stuff - or patch for hours.
Ahem:
http://www.amazon.com/Global-Agenda-Special-Limited-Box-PC/dp/B0030GYXYA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1265034833&sr=8-1
Might I point out that this is the only way to get a box copy. HiRez is not some megacorp like EA or Activision that can publish their own games easily. By going through steam, and having a small box edition through amazon they can save a ton of money than going through brick and mortor pre-orders.
I pay 57 a month for the fastest Brighthouse internet you can get. No phone, no TV, just internet, saves me a bunch of money rather than paying for all the other crap.
I know the guys at my local Gamestop about 30 seconds from my house. They will hook me up with games early, give me pre order bonuses w/o preordering, and get all the info they can on any game i'm interested in. I love interacting with vendors, and visiting the store. I prefer to buy all games through them if I can.
I know everyone doesn't have this setup and DL may be a good method, but I am a bit impulsive. If I want a game I want it immediately. EVE online is about the only game that I can DL in a reasonable time. I would rather jump in the car and get out of the house for a few, chat with some gamers in person, buy a game, bring it home, and enjoy.
I have to agree with DL, 1) your investment is typicaly protected especialy if you go with some one reputable i.e. Steam HD crash no prob just pull it back down, granted if you have the disk for as long as the disk works your good but thouse disks dont last forever . . . any idea howmany games I have had to re-buy cuz the disk is failed . . . well you could just torrent i suppose you do own a license but wait thats DL. 2) not that I am a major tree hugger but its never bad to cut down on waste and its not a huge source of waste but it is one, it also cuts back on packaging cost to bad we dont usualy see that savings lol.
What i think should be done as the standard not that any one asked, is for the primary form to be DL but for CE to be available as a physical box with a DL. for games I am really hyped on I would like to have a physical box for collection one that I did not have to open preferably i.e. DL contet + a truly collectable box set for thouse of us into such things.
DL really is the way to go, the main argument that it takes to long is a bit of BS, it takes longer on even a DSL connection (for me any way I live 20min +/- from a game store) to go out buy the box, pay sales tax on it, drive back install it, patch it and play it than it does to just DL it and play it even the big ass games. The argument of wanting a physical product sure I understand that for both tthe collector and the people that thing its more secure becauase its on plastic than it is when its on thouse metal platters of your HD (some are glass I know) but you can simply burn it to DVD, DVD burner is just as cheep from Tigger as not in fact I haven't seen a drive thats not a burner in some time really . . . but for the collector I do think they should offer some high quality box set not to be opened and installed but for (wait for it) collecting I would buy them and they should come with a DL link and a key that I can get at without having to open the damn CE box.
For note though I collect for games I just want to play not nessisarly collect I just hit Direct2Drive or Steam (prefer Steam) and DL it, this way its forever backed up (untill they go belly up) not to mention my personal backups and archives, it does not requier the CD to be in the bloody system (hate that though there is a bit of software to make even CD based games not requier there CD) and it is cheeper and faster than drivign to a store hoping they have it in stock buying it with state sales tax applied to it.
I really think you and alot are missing the Point, the Point is Why no Box Copy, Why Limit your sale?
If I want to sell video wouldn't It be smart to offer both a Box copy and a D Download?
Apart MMOs that needs a subscription, boxed games are really hurting the game developers as when you resell a game the studio that spent 2-3 years making the game won't see any penny of that transaction.
So around 80% of the whole money spent in video games does not go to the developers but the resellers.
You feel more secure with a box, but imagine your house pass through a fire and you lost your game(s). Sure the insurance will refund some of it but not everything. If you happen to scratch your DVD you can't play anymore. Same if you loose your DVD, or lend it to a friend that keeps forgetting to bring it back to you.
All the above issues are lifted with steam as long as you have an internet connexion. Top of that you might get a more recent version of your game meaning you don't have to install then to patch.
Even better, in a world that's aiming towards greener environment not only your box won't ever end in the garbage collector but also no gaz will be burnt while transporting your neat box from the factory to your house and even less materials will be used to build the box and press the DVD(s).
As a note just look at the trend in movies. Soon or later you won't go anymore to a store to rent them and need to bring them back when you are finished. DVD and Blu-ray are becoming a thing of the past. People don't want anymore the hassle of physical supports.
Finally, while I agree the internet speed is low considering the huge amount of data needed by a game or a high resolution movie, nothing prevents you to download during your sleep hours nor when you are away from your home, as most people do.
op!me im all for dl online the thing is tho the problem is the WE DO E-STORE TRANSACTION ONLY !i am sorry but i WILL NOT
embrace that!i dont like the thing like paypal,using your debit or presonnal credit card online!yes IF nothing happen its fine!
but since we see horror story every day about people being charged twice and all kind of stuff that are impossibly hard to remove after its done i say hell no i ll stop playing mmo before .
ebgame tho might be on to something!the clerc at my local store told me that some title are online only and ebgame feel they are loosing a big chunk of customer (those that feel like me)so they re working on a card they will sell at your regular ebgame or gamestop and this card will be usable to buy various goods at their e-store.this will defenetly make me buy goods at e-store
pre-paid credit card was nice till they decided they needed your personnal id !cant they get in their thick head
we do not want our personal info online gees!its like saying your social number online lol!its the freaking same thing!
gamestop/ebgame new card wont change buying game a lot but it will make the game that arent at your local store
avail to regular joe!witch right now isnt!
Seriously, you are not cooler because you have a better internet connection or are willing/able to afford one.
My internet connection is the best Verizon FIOS will sell me, doesn't change the fact I still go to the Bookstore to order books, (which are made of paper btw) pick up my movies at Blockbuster and yes, I buy most games at Gamestop when possible.
And this makes you any cooler? I'm glad you like to get out and about but I do believe that has nothing to do with the post you quoted. The reply was highlighting the fact that there options for faster connection for less than the stated $100 in the same state.
All power to those who prefer box over digital, I myself am a hoarder of boxes for games and things but the fact remains we will see the steady decline of traditional box sales in the software environment. Perhaps OP could kindly ask someone to send him a disc with the client on it?
not all areas have cable internet, and depending on how close you are to the exchange, your download rate via adsl, might at best only be 512k .. it all depends where you live, and that my friend is the state of things in 2010.. as for GA, well, if the game fails because of lack of roll out.. whose fault is it really ? seriously.. some people are so anal these days.
I don't buy DL only if I can help it for a different reason. Its not any cheaper than the box at a store.
I mean, there is no packaging and no shipping involved and an often reduced marketing cost and yet they charge the same price for a DL. Screw that...I get what I pay for, so if I can help it, i'll buy at the store and see my money go a bit further. Its just a principle, and I am just that kind of jerk.
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Not everyone is rich and can spare $100 a mth for internet, Sorry My Fault
Not everyone lives with there parents to afford the high end goodies, Sorry again My fault
Yes a few hours Downloading will hurt if you work from home using the internet and your internet is lagging you out from working and cost you real money (not In game gold), So I could get a new ISP and pay more taking home less gross pay, but at least I get to play Global Agenda: )
Bottom line a smart Business will do BOTH. WRONG!!! GA is produced and developed by HiRez Studios. They are a small independant company that doesn't have the pockets to distribute boxed copies across the country. They offer a box through Amazon.com and digital download. They do offer both. And they are going about it in a very smart way.
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I"m the same and will always take a box over a download. Like having the hardcopy.
However, if a company needs to be download only and I want the game I'll just set it to download and wait it out. it's not like I don't have other things to do.
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Seriously, you are not cooler because you have a better internet connection or are willing/able to afford one.
My internet connection is the best Verizon FIOS will sell me, doesn't change the fact I still go to the Bookstore to order books, (which are made of paper btw) pick up my movies at Blockbuster and yes, I buy most games at Gamestop when possible.
And this makes you any cooler? I'm glad you like to get out and about but I do believe that has nothing to do with the post you quoted. The reply was highlighting the fact that there options for faster connection for less than the stated $100 in the same state.
All power to those who prefer box over digital, I myself am a hoarder of boxes for games and things but the fact remains we will see the steady decline of traditional box sales in the software environment. Perhaps OP could kindly ask someone to send him a disc with the client on it?
Well, I'm much cooler than you for a lot of good reasons, but my internet connection or purchasing habits certainly aren't on the list.
And I'm not calling people names like the person did who I quoted.
The OP was about whether or not it was a good thing for games to be only released digitally vs having a boxed copy. Somehow it did go off track and people started thrashing about how they had great internet connections and the OP should go out and get one. Then we got into an argument about how much it should cost. (your results will vary on this point, depending on where you live and what you are looking for, I pay about 55.00/mo or so for mine)
I was attempting the drag the thread back on topic about why people might prefer boxes even if they had good connections, and therefore appreciated when it was possible to pick one up.
But not all games are published equally, and I certainly don't avoid them if they aren't in a box.
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I"m the same and will always take a box over a download. Like having the hardcopy.
However, if a company needs to be download only and I want the game I'll just set it to download and wait it out. it's not like I don't have other things to do.
agree completely
not all areas have cable internet, and depending on how close you are to the exchange, your download rate via adsl, might at best only be 512k .. it all depends where you live, and that my friend is the state of things in 2010.. as for GA, well, if the game fails because of lack of roll out.. whose fault is it really ? seriously.. some people are so anal these days.
No offense to those that are in that small percentage of areas that are dial up only but...Most MMOs' dont even support dial up at all so if you have something slower than cable or dsl.......you wouldn't enjoy MMOs on that crap connection anyway. I can understand the frustration over the lack of boxes in some cases but honestly...Gamestop Sucks ass, EA store is terrible, and Best Buy is ...decent for console games.
PC games are going the way of downloads only which in the end will likely be better for PC games in the end. Unless your downloading a crap ton of illegal software, movies, and music downloading a game or two a month doesn't hurt anyone with a download cap.
Global Agenda is being made by a small indepedant company thats not sold its soul out to a publisher like EA or Activision. Everyone wants something independant but cries when they learn it means there's less options for purchasing. You know it takes alot of MONEY to produce all those packaged products that sit on the shelves adn independants without publishers can't afford that and still be able to survive.
Not sure if its been covered cause I didnt read the entire thread, but as an indy developer with no publisher its not surprising that they are only releasing a digital release. They have the game available through steam, D2D, their website, and Im sure other places.
To get a box copy and distribute it takes lots of money if you self publish, its easier for a direct download...and no offense but with stores like gamestop limiting their pc shelf space that is relatively low profit as opposed to maximizing shelf space for used console games that are a hell of a markup odds are in the coming years most of our purchases will be digital.
So...even with a slow pc, set it up the night before to download, and you are fine...even on a slow connection like DSL it should be less than 24 hours to download the game.
WHAT?! have you heard of DLCs? Digital delivery is the future of gaming. If your internet isn't fast enough to download this game, why are you trying to play an MMO in the first place?! and you could have pre-d-loaded it. Then you don't have to do do anything when it launches. IE: going to get the game from a store. Seriously though, if your internet isn't fast enough for the d-load, it's not fast enough to play it.
Ummm unless i am mistaken you can get a box copy on amazon. It wont be the wtfpwn instant gratification most people want.
But if you want a physical copy then buy one.
I also like a physical copy, or used to rather. Downloading saves me gas money and sales tax. And as someone pointed out the time I drive to the store and back, install, patch and then finally play is not that much of a difference than downloading.
An example of saving for me would be Bioshock 2. On sale steam version & D2D for $44.95. Gamestop would be $ 49.99 Plus sales tax, plus gas. Buy on steam saves me about 10-12 bucks when its all said and done. Not a whole lot I know, but average that out over a year and it gets to be substantial.
It all depends on how you look at it I guess, even tho I personally prefer a box with a disc, I will download just to save the money. And on the plus side I can download from steam or D2D whenever I want .
And I do agree that they will lose out on the impulse buys at the retail stores. But i am sure that they too realize this.
Just my 2cp
Isnt the solution as easy as buying the box online...............why does this thread exist?
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My internet connection is the best Verizon FIOS will sell me, doesn't change the fact I still go to the Bookstore to order books, (which are made of paper btw) pick up my movies at Blockbuster and yes, I buy most games at Gamestop when possible.
If indeed you're not lying and do in fact have Fios it would take you less time to download a Blu-Ray PS3 game then to visit Blockbuster. I currently use high-speed cable (about 1/3 the speed of Fios's slowest package and I download about 40gigs in under 5 hours)
So ya...you may in fact choose to buy brick in mortar over digital but that doesn't change the fact that most people are going to view such an action as rather dimwitted.
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Just from a distribution standpoint this is suicide, think of all the customers that browse for a new PC game, not knowing what they want. They're missing out on that entire section of the market. I liked the initial ideas behind this game but it's basically guild wars with a sci fi skin, oh and it has a sub fee, oh and it's digital download only.... Needless to say i'm not dropping 50 on this
ebgame local store might favor by a big long stretch console game(tradable)but the fact is computer game is a big market also and as a lot of mmo maker found the hard way only 20% of all mmo gamer buy online the rest get their fix elsewhere
be it f2p (asia)or in store (america and europe)so you might try to convince yourself digital e-store bot copy is the way of the futur
but unless they find a way to make people pay without having to show an id im sorry but e-store will only be for nerd.
I downloaded it in just four hous, an overnight download via 1.5 mbps. It would take about 14 hrs with just about the slowest DSL you can get, 256k
Unless you're runnin' ol' 56k, you shouldn't have a problem with it. If you are, what the hell are you doing on a site like this with so many images?
Yeah, your loss man.
I have computers; they are fast.
Browsing games... In a store? You're on a web sight called MMORPG.COM .... yes, it has a game list.
Yeah, because MMOs are always high-end games that require the most of hardware and network.
It's all about accessibility, that has always been the core of MMOs because they target on people around the average hardware and a bit lower, that's where the majority are so it's the most potential area from a developer perspective.
I can't see why they couldn't simply ship some cheap boxes individually through orders on their website, heck, even a small dvd case with a picture of the game and the DVD would work. I might be one of the last people believing in PC boxes though.