Hey Dawn, You do know that having a klingon or ferengi (sp) doesn't affect gameplay right? All the characters have some sort of racial stat, klingon and ferengi stats don't give the players an advantage over the others. As far as zones go. Those zones will have quests. You can wait and buy three or 4 zones once a year with all the content and call it an expansion if you want, or buy them all individually, there is no difference. People on this site are just drama queens. They have presented their business plan and not forced you to do anything, you don't like it, don't do it. Simple. Venge Sunsoar
So a company says "Hey our game is finished here you go" you level up and reach a point where game is completely unfinished and content runs out. They give you a few piddle things to be happy with while they finish the game they claim was finished. They tell you later on "Hey we got some more game for you to fill in the gap we left and you'll have to pay us MONEY" to get that. You'd seriously fraking give them MORE money after months of paying a subscription for an unfinished game being told we got more coming more coming only to be told they want MORE from you first?
Its standard in the MMO world that companies give you a game whether or not its completely finished is subjective but MOST if nto all give you plenty of free content through more dungeons and quest lines etc. After a year or TWO they give you a FUll paid expansion. Its been proven by SOE with Everquest 2 that Mini adventure packs on a P2P game are NOT favorable at all and Everquest 2 didn't have the same content gaps as other games.
Hey Dawn, You do know that having a klingon or ferengi (sp) doesn't affect gameplay right? All the characters have some sort of racial stat, klingon and ferengi stats don't give the players an advantage over the others. As far as zones go. Those zones will have quests. You can wait and buy three or 4 zones once a year with all the content and call it an expansion if you want, or buy them all individually, there is no difference. People on this site are just drama queens. They have presented their business plan and not forced you to do anything, you don't like it, don't do it. Simple. Venge Sunsoar
At this point I'm curious what some people consider being over the line. It really amazes me that some are perfectly alright with a company asking for their game to be purchased, a monthly fee, launching with items already set to be acquired with the purchase of additional money to the extent of possibly even races or cosmetic items which at one time games used to provide in updates over time for the sub you paid, or asking for an additional payment for content to get to the initial end game level without repeating content already available or having options available to one when they reach the game's current end game.
You're certainly right that if you don't like it then don't do it. My question is though at what point do seem feel enough is enough or a company's drive for profit over retention, building a community, or providing customer service/support is deemed a valid concern?
Considering the way these companies copy ideas from each other to try and use themselves if they even think there's a potential to be had by it I think it's a valid debate. Just look at the push for preorders getting you into betas, the amount of games at least considering adding rmt stores, increase in games offering lifetime/founder subs, the acceptance of what is now considered rmt in any mmo you play such as name change, gender change, server change, etc. It may not be forced on you now but it could be unless you change genres at some point if enough companies deem it is viable and enough people pay for all these "features" to negate those that think it chould be included in the the cost of the game and the monthly fee.
Far as my personal opinion, it just seems to be getting ridiculous what some companies expect a person to pay for and what a company is willing to push out the door as a supposed finished and complete product to customers. Especially considering the amount of competition out there at this point in time.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Hey Dawn, You do know that having a klingon or ferengi (sp) doesn't affect gameplay right? All the characters have some sort of racial stat, klingon and ferengi stats don't give the players an advantage over the others. As far as zones go. Those zones will have quests. You can wait and buy three or 4 zones once a year with all the content and call it an expansion if you want, or buy them all individually, there is no difference. People on this site are just drama queens. They have presented their business plan and not forced you to do anything, you don't like it, don't do it. Simple. Venge Sunsoar
"Different stats don't give any sort of advantage in any different situation". Man, have you even had a look at klingon stats? And, no, you can't get them by selecting the "Alien" race.
This, everyone, is an example of a person who will happily baa along to the company's tune and try and browbeat others into doing it too. These sort of people are why we're getting shitty games, and why the companies think they can charge us extra cash for each individual zone.
All I'm hearing from Venge's post is, "Please, sir, can I have some more?" despite being ripped off.
Yes I have looked at the stats, and again no one race has any overall advantage. Any race has a specific advantage in a specific situation but no race has an overall advantage that affects gameplay.
I haven't browbeat anyone into anything, I'm saying I have the choice, as do you. Play it and pay it, or don't pay and don't play. They will not listen to what you say, only what you do. Actions speak louder than words, and vote with your wallet. I don't play STO, I saw my brother in the beta, game looked boring, but I can still recognize that I have a choice. If anyone's browbeating it's you, telling people what is good or bad. I prefer to give them the information and let them make the choice.
And once again buying 3-4 zones individually with all the content is no different than buying them all once in an expansion. I'm paying the same amount for the same content.
I'm not asking anyone for anything. They presented a game, I take a look at what is there and decide if it's worth my money or not. STO wasn't worth it, other games are. Quit being so dramatic and just present the information.
To the person below who asked where the line is (sorry I can't scroll down far enough to see who you are while typing this). The line is crossed when I no longer have the choice, or when something is presented one way and performed another, or enough is enough when I feel the game I'm playing is no longer worth the money I'm spending.
The NGE I would say crossed the line as they were selling expansions to the game right before the massive change, to me this implies to the customer that there will be no massive change that renders the money you just spent completely useless.
But once again I always have the final say. I can choose to play or not, I can fight the charges on the CC if the game was misrepresented and then I choose to no longer play. We always have the choice.
The companies are offering a service and like all companies they are in it for profit, and like all companies they will find ways to maximize those profits. I expect that. It is up to me to decide what I find acceptable and what I don't. Not you. Nor is it my job or yours to tell others what is acceptable or not.
"So a company says "Hey our game is finished here you go" you level up and reach a point where game is completely unfinished and content runs out. They give you a few piddle things to be happy with while they finish the game they claim was finished. They tell you later on "Hey we got some more game for you to fill in the gap we left and you'll have to pay us MONEY" to get that. You'd seriously fraking give them MORE money after months of paying a subscription for an unfinished game being told we got more coming more coming only to be told they want MORE from you first? "
This is what we call end game. Most MMO's reach a point where the leveling stops and content runs out, we then do piddle around doing things till an expansion comes out and then we pay again. So once again I have the choice 3-4 mini packs or one big expansion, same money, same conent
"Its standard in the MMO world that companies give you a game whether or not its completely finished is subjective but MOST if nto all give you plenty of free content through more dungeons and quest lines etc. After a year or TWO they give you a FUll paid expansion. Its been proven by SOE with Everquest 2 that Mini adventure packs on a P2P game are NOT favorable at all and Everquest 2 didn't have the same content gaps as other games."
I would say you are dead wrong. The mini adventure packs were well received, many many many people got them and loved them. Some may say this is a bit different and in EQ2's case I would be inlined to agree because they offered the mini packs AND and expansion so it wasn't a case of either or.
Sheep uh. People's personal bias and inability to think for themselves, blasting out with an emotional response leaving all logic instead of a well-reasoned approach tipped with emotion, and using old cliched insults are what is bringing this genre down. That is the sheep.
Venge Sunsoar
Edit: We have all read many many times on this site how people have said they would pay more for their perfect MMO. Well thats what this is. For those people who like the game, and want everything, they will pay more. Thats all there is to it.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
You're back again? I thought you'd given up after the last time, but oh well.
First off, you either lied about looking up the stats or you have no eye for mechanics, as the klingon stats seem to effect a wide variety of circumstances in a large way. I mean, compare humans, klingons and borg:
Human
Leadership: +15% repair rate
Teamwork: +5% exploit damage
Plus two additional traits
Klingon
Honorable: +5% Damage Resistance and +10% Threat Generation
Warrior: +15% Melee and Crit Damage, +5% Energy Weapon Damage
Plus two additional traits
Liberated Borg
Borg Nanites: +10% ground health and shield regeneration
Efficient: +5 starship engine efficiency. +5 starship energy weapon efficiency. +5 starship auxiliary systems efficiency
Plus two additional traits
I mean, when the klingon are better than the borg, you know something is really, really wrong. There's such a thing as imbalanced racial traits, and these guys have them.
"You prefer to give them the information and let them make the choice"? You have given no information in this thread, merely questioned my word usage ( and were subsequently called out for it, which you ignored ) and have tried to tell me that I am lying. Personally, I find your hypocrisy hilarious.
You do realise the reason to release zones individually instead of as an expansion is to make more money, don't you? It allows the company to justify the digital download ( meaning they don't have to make CDs / ship them out ), it allows them to control the prices based on exchange rates and, most importantly, it allows them to charge £3 per zone, instead of £30 for ten zones and other content. It's not "just a different way of putting out an expansion", it's just a different way of attempting to fleece consumers without them noticing it.
A lot of games don't have you pay for end game content. AoC, WAR, WoW, none of them do. Expansions increase the level cap, introduce new mechanics, give upgrades to mechanics within the game. It's more than a few piddly zones, it's an EXPANSION to the game.
Uh, that's nothing like what "being a sheep means". I was thinking that you were foreign, and didn't know common Western idioms and therefore I should go easy on you. Turns out you're Canadian and have no excuse. Sheep means that you're going along with the baaing crowd to the slaughterhouse, where the butcher will take all your nice juicy meat. ( This is an allegory for the company, by the way. It seems you have a bit of trouble with these things. )
This is not "paying for the perfect game". This is "Cryptic expecting Trekkies to cough up cash because there's nothing better on the market." Only game out there =/= perfect. I'm sure they'll start quitting when they have to pay $15 for a respec, too.
DDO is f2p and yes you can buy content individually or u can go p2p and have access to everything minus favored soul/drow which u can earn by playing the game or buying them but they are class/race respectively.
Any game that is released and within 6 months and is trying to microtransaction content is probably branded with cryptic and set sail on the fail boat. Seriously, STO has been out a week? and they're selling 2 races ... CO - MT'n a zone that was supposed to be in the game originally? I know this is all known and stuff and 30 people before me have said this but ... really.
Cryptic has basically found out why no one else has really offered "life-time" subs before and they are trying to make money with MT's where normally they get it through paid subs.
DDO is f2p and yes you can buy content individually or u can go p2p and have access to everything minus favored soul/drow which u can earn by playing the game or buying them but they are class/race respectively. Any game that is released and within 6 months and is trying to microtransaction content is probably branded with cryptic and set sail on the fail boat. Seriously, STO has been out a week? and they're selling 2 races ... CO - MT'n a zone that was supposed to be in the game originally? I know this is all known and stuff and 30 people before me have said this but ... really. Cryptic has basically found out why no one else has really offered "life-time" subs before and they are trying to make money with MT's where normally they get it through paid subs.
I think DDO's alright, to be perfectly honest. Turbine's a decent company and they don't seem to be trying to get that much $$$ out of their players.
Hell, in the last patch, it was made LESS mandatory to give any money to get to 20.
There is a rather interesting turn of events that has happened with the CO content. They have now announced that the expansion will be a free content update rather than a paid one.
Looks like the players made their voices heard...or the backlash of cancellations did. Regardless, good for them and a smart move on Cryptic's part if you ask me.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
There is a rather interesting turn of events that has happened with the CO content. They have now announced that the expansion will be a free content update rather than a paid one. Looks like the players made their voices heard...or the backlash of cancellations did. Regardless, good for them and a smart move on Cryptic's part if you ask me.
I would say this all leads back towards people voting with their wallets. Whether or not content is free or paid, customers ultimately decide how far a company go in terms of their income models.
Once again you I disagree with just about everything you are saying.
Look at the stats that you supplied. Klingons do more dmg and have some dmg resistance. But Federation heals more and does more dmg when grouped. So one is not better than the other, just different depending on the situation. The traits are not imbalanced at all just different.
I`ve ignored nothing, you``ve called me out on nothing. I have never once implied that you are lying - being dramatic yes, insulting yes, different opinion yes, but lying no. All you have said is I`m lying, I`m a sheep and disagreed with me. Thats fine, you`re allowed to. The only information you have given is showing the racial traits which IMO backs up my view more than yours. So no nothing hypocritical here. And then I was speaking more generally. It`s not my job to convince someone of it. I presented my case, what you do with it is up to you.
Yes releasing zones is about making money, as are expansions as are, subscritions. And yes it does help them control pricing. But three dollars per zone + content, or 30 dollars for 10 zones plus content = the same money and the same zones and content. So yes it is just a different way of giving an expansion (of course if they do expansion and zone packs that would be different).
Your right most games don`t pay for end content. But when something else after the end is applied typically they call that an expansion and make you pay for it. Not all expansions for games increase the level cap, not all expansions for games give upgrades to mechancis. As someone said in another thread EQ had several expansions that just gave a bunch of new zones, and the content that came with them (quests and items), I`m sure others have done similar things, I haven`t looked at every expansion of every game every created.
Being a sheep =following the crowd. They see someone screaming so they scream. Thinking for yourself is not being a sheep. Even if ultimately you end up with the same decision, you came to it on your own. It`s come to the point now where jsut calling someone a sheep is evidence enough that there is no critical thinking going on and you are just following the crowd.
For the people that decide to pay it, they will decide that because to them it is worth it. This may be the perfect game for them. Once again many have said they would pay more, some signifantly more for their perfect game because it would be worth it to them. This is the same. Cryptic has set their pricing structure, and yes it will probably change with time as all business models, pricing structures, products and services do. People that pay it do so because it is worth it to them. Those trekkies will only cash up if they feel it is worth it. If crypic does start charging 15 dollars for a respec then the exact same situation applies, the person will have to decide if the game is worth it or not.
Venge Sunsoar
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
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So a company says "Hey our game is finished here you go" you level up and reach a point where game is completely unfinished and content runs out. They give you a few piddle things to be happy with while they finish the game they claim was finished. They tell you later on "Hey we got some more game for you to fill in the gap we left and you'll have to pay us MONEY" to get that. You'd seriously fraking give them MORE money after months of paying a subscription for an unfinished game being told we got more coming more coming only to be told they want MORE from you first?
Its standard in the MMO world that companies give you a game whether or not its completely finished is subjective but MOST if nto all give you plenty of free content through more dungeons and quest lines etc. After a year or TWO they give you a FUll paid expansion. Its been proven by SOE with Everquest 2 that Mini adventure packs on a P2P game are NOT favorable at all and Everquest 2 didn't have the same content gaps as other games.
Sheep..defenders on this matter are sheep.
At this point I'm curious what some people consider being over the line. It really amazes me that some are perfectly alright with a company asking for their game to be purchased, a monthly fee, launching with items already set to be acquired with the purchase of additional money to the extent of possibly even races or cosmetic items which at one time games used to provide in updates over time for the sub you paid, or asking for an additional payment for content to get to the initial end game level without repeating content already available or having options available to one when they reach the game's current end game.
You're certainly right that if you don't like it then don't do it. My question is though at what point do seem feel enough is enough or a company's drive for profit over retention, building a community, or providing customer service/support is deemed a valid concern?
Considering the way these companies copy ideas from each other to try and use themselves if they even think there's a potential to be had by it I think it's a valid debate. Just look at the push for preorders getting you into betas, the amount of games at least considering adding rmt stores, increase in games offering lifetime/founder subs, the acceptance of what is now considered rmt in any mmo you play such as name change, gender change, server change, etc. It may not be forced on you now but it could be unless you change genres at some point if enough companies deem it is viable and enough people pay for all these "features" to negate those that think it chould be included in the the cost of the game and the monthly fee.
Far as my personal opinion, it just seems to be getting ridiculous what some companies expect a person to pay for and what a company is willing to push out the door as a supposed finished and complete product to customers. Especially considering the amount of competition out there at this point in time.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
"Different stats don't give any sort of advantage in any different situation". Man, have you even had a look at klingon stats? And, no, you can't get them by selecting the "Alien" race.
This, everyone, is an example of a person who will happily baa along to the company's tune and try and browbeat others into doing it too. These sort of people are why we're getting shitty games, and why the companies think they can charge us extra cash for each individual zone.
All I'm hearing from Venge's post is, "Please, sir, can I have some more?" despite being ripped off.
Yes I have looked at the stats, and again no one race has any overall advantage. Any race has a specific advantage in a specific situation but no race has an overall advantage that affects gameplay.
I haven't browbeat anyone into anything, I'm saying I have the choice, as do you. Play it and pay it, or don't pay and don't play. They will not listen to what you say, only what you do. Actions speak louder than words, and vote with your wallet. I don't play STO, I saw my brother in the beta, game looked boring, but I can still recognize that I have a choice. If anyone's browbeating it's you, telling people what is good or bad. I prefer to give them the information and let them make the choice.
And once again buying 3-4 zones individually with all the content is no different than buying them all once in an expansion. I'm paying the same amount for the same content.
I'm not asking anyone for anything. They presented a game, I take a look at what is there and decide if it's worth my money or not. STO wasn't worth it, other games are. Quit being so dramatic and just present the information.
To the person below who asked where the line is (sorry I can't scroll down far enough to see who you are while typing this). The line is crossed when I no longer have the choice, or when something is presented one way and performed another, or enough is enough when I feel the game I'm playing is no longer worth the money I'm spending.
The NGE I would say crossed the line as they were selling expansions to the game right before the massive change, to me this implies to the customer that there will be no massive change that renders the money you just spent completely useless.
But once again I always have the final say. I can choose to play or not, I can fight the charges on the CC if the game was misrepresented and then I choose to no longer play. We always have the choice.
The companies are offering a service and like all companies they are in it for profit, and like all companies they will find ways to maximize those profits. I expect that. It is up to me to decide what I find acceptable and what I don't. Not you. Nor is it my job or yours to tell others what is acceptable or not.
"So a company says "Hey our game is finished here you go" you level up and reach a point where game is completely unfinished and content runs out. They give you a few piddle things to be happy with while they finish the game they claim was finished. They tell you later on "Hey we got some more game for you to fill in the gap we left and you'll have to pay us MONEY" to get that. You'd seriously fraking give them MORE money after months of paying a subscription for an unfinished game being told we got more coming more coming only to be told they want MORE from you first? "
This is what we call end game. Most MMO's reach a point where the leveling stops and content runs out, we then do piddle around doing things till an expansion comes out and then we pay again. So once again I have the choice 3-4 mini packs or one big expansion, same money, same conent
"Its standard in the MMO world that companies give you a game whether or not its completely finished is subjective but MOST if nto all give you plenty of free content through more dungeons and quest lines etc. After a year or TWO they give you a FUll paid expansion. Its been proven by SOE with Everquest 2 that Mini adventure packs on a P2P game are NOT favorable at all and Everquest 2 didn't have the same content gaps as other games."
I would say you are dead wrong. The mini adventure packs were well received, many many many people got them and loved them. Some may say this is a bit different and in EQ2's case I would be inlined to agree because they offered the mini packs AND and expansion so it wasn't a case of either or.
Sheep uh. People's personal bias and inability to think for themselves, blasting out with an emotional response leaving all logic instead of a well-reasoned approach tipped with emotion, and using old cliched insults are what is bringing this genre down. That is the sheep.
Venge Sunsoar
Edit: We have all read many many times on this site how people have said they would pay more for their perfect MMO. Well thats what this is. For those people who like the game, and want everything, they will pay more. Thats all there is to it.
You're back again? I thought you'd given up after the last time, but oh well.
First off, you either lied about looking up the stats or you have no eye for mechanics, as the klingon stats seem to effect a wide variety of circumstances in a large way. I mean, compare humans, klingons and borg:
Human
Leadership: +15% repair rate
Teamwork: +5% exploit damage
Plus two additional traits
Klingon
Honorable: +5% Damage Resistance and +10% Threat Generation
Warrior: +15% Melee and Crit Damage, +5% Energy Weapon Damage
Plus two additional traits
Liberated Borg
Borg Nanites: +10% ground health and shield regeneration
Efficient: +5 starship engine efficiency. +5 starship energy weapon efficiency. +5 starship auxiliary systems efficiency
Plus two additional traits
I mean, when the klingon are better than the borg, you know something is really, really wrong. There's such a thing as imbalanced racial traits, and these guys have them.
"You prefer to give them the information and let them make the choice"? You have given no information in this thread, merely questioned my word usage ( and were subsequently called out for it, which you ignored ) and have tried to tell me that I am lying. Personally, I find your hypocrisy hilarious.
You do realise the reason to release zones individually instead of as an expansion is to make more money, don't you? It allows the company to justify the digital download ( meaning they don't have to make CDs / ship them out ), it allows them to control the prices based on exchange rates and, most importantly, it allows them to charge £3 per zone, instead of £30 for ten zones and other content. It's not "just a different way of putting out an expansion", it's just a different way of attempting to fleece consumers without them noticing it.
A lot of games don't have you pay for end game content. AoC, WAR, WoW, none of them do. Expansions increase the level cap, introduce new mechanics, give upgrades to mechanics within the game. It's more than a few piddly zones, it's an EXPANSION to the game.
Uh, that's nothing like what "being a sheep means". I was thinking that you were foreign, and didn't know common Western idioms and therefore I should go easy on you. Turns out you're Canadian and have no excuse. Sheep means that you're going along with the baaing crowd to the slaughterhouse, where the butcher will take all your nice juicy meat. ( This is an allegory for the company, by the way. It seems you have a bit of trouble with these things. )
This is not "paying for the perfect game". This is "Cryptic expecting Trekkies to cough up cash because there's nothing better on the market." Only game out there =/= perfect. I'm sure they'll start quitting when they have to pay $15 for a respec, too.
DDO is f2p and yes you can buy content individually or u can go p2p and have access to everything minus favored soul/drow which u can earn by playing the game or buying them but they are class/race respectively.
Any game that is released and within 6 months and is trying to microtransaction content is probably branded with cryptic and set sail on the fail boat. Seriously, STO has been out a week? and they're selling 2 races ... CO - MT'n a zone that was supposed to be in the game originally? I know this is all known and stuff and 30 people before me have said this but ... really.
Cryptic has basically found out why no one else has really offered "life-time" subs before and they are trying to make money with MT's where normally they get it through paid subs.
I think DDO's alright, to be perfectly honest. Turbine's a decent company and they don't seem to be trying to get that much $$$ out of their players.
Hell, in the last patch, it was made LESS mandatory to give any money to get to 20.
There is a rather interesting turn of events that has happened with the CO content. They have now announced that the expansion will be a free content update rather than a paid one.
Looks like the players made their voices heard...or the backlash of cancellations did. Regardless, good for them and a smart move on Cryptic's part if you ask me.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I would say this all leads back towards people voting with their wallets. Whether or not content is free or paid, customers ultimately decide how far a company go in terms of their income models.
Lots of things
I`m back, I had to study.
Once again you I disagree with just about everything you are saying.
Look at the stats that you supplied. Klingons do more dmg and have some dmg resistance. But Federation heals more and does more dmg when grouped. So one is not better than the other, just different depending on the situation. The traits are not imbalanced at all just different.
I`ve ignored nothing, you``ve called me out on nothing. I have never once implied that you are lying - being dramatic yes, insulting yes, different opinion yes, but lying no. All you have said is I`m lying, I`m a sheep and disagreed with me. Thats fine, you`re allowed to. The only information you have given is showing the racial traits which IMO backs up my view more than yours. So no nothing hypocritical here. And then I was speaking more generally. It`s not my job to convince someone of it. I presented my case, what you do with it is up to you.
Yes releasing zones is about making money, as are expansions as are, subscritions. And yes it does help them control pricing. But three dollars per zone + content, or 30 dollars for 10 zones plus content = the same money and the same zones and content. So yes it is just a different way of giving an expansion (of course if they do expansion and zone packs that would be different).
Your right most games don`t pay for end content. But when something else after the end is applied typically they call that an expansion and make you pay for it. Not all expansions for games increase the level cap, not all expansions for games give upgrades to mechancis. As someone said in another thread EQ had several expansions that just gave a bunch of new zones, and the content that came with them (quests and items), I`m sure others have done similar things, I haven`t looked at every expansion of every game every created.
Being a sheep =following the crowd. They see someone screaming so they scream. Thinking for yourself is not being a sheep. Even if ultimately you end up with the same decision, you came to it on your own. It`s come to the point now where jsut calling someone a sheep is evidence enough that there is no critical thinking going on and you are just following the crowd.
For the people that decide to pay it, they will decide that because to them it is worth it. This may be the perfect game for them. Once again many have said they would pay more, some signifantly more for their perfect game because it would be worth it to them. This is the same. Cryptic has set their pricing structure, and yes it will probably change with time as all business models, pricing structures, products and services do. People that pay it do so because it is worth it to them. Those trekkies will only cash up if they feel it is worth it. If crypic does start charging 15 dollars for a respec then the exact same situation applies, the person will have to decide if the game is worth it or not.
Venge Sunsoar
I guess the only real questions that needs to be answered are, ``What is Cryptics objective, and will this help or hurt their objective``
Venge Sunsoar