"Net Devils continued failure to post new information on the game is the biggest cause for not only concern but anger and annoyance and even hatred that's growing in the community."
The community should grow the fcuk up then. Net Devils efforts won't be the undoing of this game, it'll be the retarded 'community' that plays it if your statement is anything to go by.
I would think that getting rid of one of their most devoted leads Hermman at this stage would have nothing to do with it bombinb down the drain, yeah blame the community lol.
PS. as my signature says, I actually cant wait to play the game and have high hopes that it will do really well, BUT the lack of intel and the lack of support from the devs cannot be ignored.
Originally posted by Dvalon I would think that getting rid of one of their most devoted leads Hermman at this stage would have nothing to do with it bombinb down the drain, yeah blame the community lol. PS. as my signature says, I actually cant wait to play the game and have high hopes that it will do really well, BUT the lack of intel and the lack of support from the devs cannot be ignored.
And as you should know Dvalon, if you'd read ANY of the posts made by Katie that no one "got rid" of Hermann. He left; for his own, personal reasons. Absolutely nothing to do with the ongoing development of the game. You can spin it however you want, but the ever-gnawing conspiracies over Hermann's departure are getting old.
Net Devil push back launch, claiming its not ready, and tell us the beta testers found big problems.
Launch delayed for unknown period of time.
Publisher, and Money Backer Gazzillion then fly to Net Devil to hold meetings.
Shortly after Hermman Leaves.
Sorry m8, but no matter what you say, my mind is made up on this one, unless Hermman a man I'v spoken to as you have, a Man we both know is insanely passionate about this game, comes here and tells me he left and his reason had nothing to do with JGE, I simply will not beleive it.
He loved the game and the project so much, god you could tell it simply talking to him for five minutes.
So no, I don't beleive it, no way did he just leave, something happened in that meeting that didn't sit well with his way of thinking, to a degree that he was unable to resolve, and was left with leaving being the only option.
Dvalon as I am sure you know full well already, it has been stated time and time again that Hermann was not sacked, or forced to quit.
Dispite what others (such as Lobotismist who made a thread) insist that Gazillion made a visit to netdevil and were not impressed so let Hermann go and replaced him with someone to rush the title, that is not the case at all.
Now I know from talking to you on the JGE forums that you work on a principle of "They lie to us, so them saying differant doesn't count to disprove me" when it suits you, but when the speculation and crapola theorys started flying even more by disgruntled people who just wanted to generate drama this post was made to firmly state things for the record.
As for all this anger you claim exists in so many people in the JGE community... speak for yourself Dvalon, whilst I will admit there are alot of frustrated people due to the extended wait and lack of information whilst things are changed and as such sharing information would infact be misinformation, I have not any sign of any actual anger or 'hatred' toward Netdevil.....
You don't think there's anything amiss? I'm sat here wearing a red and white gingham dress, and army boots, you think that's un-amiss?
It's the job of PR people to spin information into a good light for their company, and it happens all the time in all walks of life, of course their going to say that Net Devil or JGE had nothing to do with it, They would not be doing their job as a PR employee if they told the truth and in doing so put the company in a bad light.
That aside, with all things, I look at the evidence at hand, and then make my own mind up, im not a sheep and don't simply accept what other people think as fact or truth.
From the facts or at least the information I have at hand, it sells sus enough for me to conclude that something was not right, to the point that hermann left a job he not only loved, but put a lot of his life into.
So unless you can come up with proof there was no meetings, proof that hermann didnt leave because what went on in them, I will not change my mind.
if you do happen to come up with proof, that it was just coincidence, and harmless bad timing I will of course change my opinion, like many things its not set in stone, but as of this moment and with the information i have, my thoughts on the matter remain clear for all to read.
I find it overly humorous that people seem to think they are entitled to information about a product they have not even purchased yet. You can tell them you intend to spend money on it all you want, but intent does not make you have any right to information any more then the next guy.
I think what you are seeing mostly is a very small but vocal group of people who seem to have gotten this idea stuck in their head that if NetDevil does not say something it means the game is no longer in production. The reality is they probably announced JGE to early and now are facing the consequences of those early announcements, and so maybe they deserve the ridicule of this small group. I think its just a silly assumption though, games change continually and often times you will go through multiple iterations of a system and they may be vastly different. It makes sense that they don't want to tell you about a system that's likely to change before release.
This is about the point people would argue that a game under development this long should have something set in stone, but I think this falls into that category of PR. They want to announce information, but they are probably looking to do it in a constant flow leading up to release and so want to make sure they have enough content to do so. We all know that once the information stream starts becoming constant and we start seeing a lot more going on right up to the release that those people who are 'angry' or 'wary' are probably going to forget all this anyways because they will basically either like the direction or hate it and move on. If they like what they hear then no number of proclamations that they won't buy the game at release will matter because they will by that point be appeased. Its like a kid who says they will hate their parents forever if they don't get their way, they are just throwing their arms up hoping that they will get their way by making empty threats.
To be honest, I hope people who do the above don't buy the game, and don't add their drama to my having fun. I smell the fires already coming, but I am tired of the number of people who are so negative and jumping to conclusions about this game because NetDevil is being careful, I only wish more companies would do the same thing.
I love the way people miss understand my intentions, you seem to think I dont want the game to work, or I want it to fail, I moan because I see more and more people leaving the community for other games and I see that as a problem, I would very much rather have these people stay like me, so I can enjoy blowing the crap outa them in space.
Kinda hard to kill people or form alliances and bonds with people in a game where there is hardly anyone playing now isn't it.
My biggest fear, is that Net Devil wait to long before they ramp up the PR machine and as a result they lose tons of potential players that have followed the games production like me, for years.
I love the way people miss understand my intentions, you seem to think I dont want the game to work, or I want it to fail, I moan because I see more and more people leaving the community for other games and I see that as a problem, I would very much rather have these people stay like me, so I can enjoy blowing the crap outa them in space. Kinda hard to kill people or form alliances and bonds with people in a game where there is hardly anyone playing now isn't it. My biggest fear, is that Net Devil wait to long before they ramp up the PR machine and as a result they lose tons of potential players that have followed the games production like me, for years.
I think you mistook me for targeting you directly, I was mostly projecting on my view of the JGE forums which I have been watching silently for the most part because I don't see a reason to post. I did not mean to raise offense with you if that is how it came across as it was not directed at any one person.
One way or another, as long as they get the hype machine rolling there will be people waiting at the doors, I have been waiting patiently since the first announced the game quite a while ago. Just biding my time playing other space sims, waiting for the beta... just gets old reading forums about the game and seeing 90% of the posts being doomsayers who cannot make a single positive post because they feel that they have been cheated or somehow wronged because a company decided to take the cautious road and decided to hold off on information.
A post on the official forums also alluded to the fact they are waiting for the point where they have enough information to keep posting it steadily up until the release, which I think is a smart move, even if it means waiting for the time being.
I guess I am tired of all the QQing is what it amounts to, just gets old... course the simple remedy is to avoid the forums all together which is what I might do in the future.
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The community should grow the fcuk up then. Net Devils efforts won't be the undoing of this game, it'll be the retarded 'community' that plays it if your statement is anything to go by.
I would think that getting rid of one of their most devoted leads Hermman at this stage would have nothing to do with it bombinb down the drain, yeah blame the community lol.
PS. as my signature says, I actually cant wait to play the game and have high hopes that it will do really well, BUT the lack of intel and the lack of support from the devs cannot be ignored.
And as you should know Dvalon, if you'd read ANY of the posts made by Katie that no one "got rid" of Hermann. He left; for his own, personal reasons. Absolutely nothing to do with the ongoing development of the game. You can spin it however you want, but the ever-gnawing conspiracies over Hermann's departure are getting old.
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Net Devil push back launch, claiming its not ready, and tell us the beta testers found big problems.
Launch delayed for unknown period of time.
Publisher, and Money Backer Gazzillion then fly to Net Devil to hold meetings.
Shortly after Hermman Leaves.
Sorry m8, but no matter what you say, my mind is made up on this one, unless Hermman a man I'v spoken to as you have, a Man we both know is insanely passionate about this game, comes here and tells me he left and his reason had nothing to do with JGE, I simply will not beleive it.
He loved the game and the project so much, god you could tell it simply talking to him for five minutes.
So no, I don't beleive it, no way did he just leave, something happened in that meeting that didn't sit well with his way of thinking, to a degree that he was unable to resolve, and was left with leaving being the only option.
Dvalon as I am sure you know full well already, it has been stated time and time again that Hermann was not sacked, or forced to quit.
Dispite what others (such as Lobotismist who made a thread) insist that Gazillion made a visit to netdevil and were not impressed so let Hermann go and replaced him with someone to rush the title, that is not the case at all.
Now I know from talking to you on the JGE forums that you work on a principle of "They lie to us, so them saying differant doesn't count to disprove me" when it suits you, but when the speculation and crapola theorys started flying even more by disgruntled people who just wanted to generate drama this post was made to firmly state things for the record.
As for all this anger you claim exists in so many people in the JGE community... speak for yourself Dvalon, whilst I will admit there are alot of frustrated people due to the extended wait and lack of information whilst things are changed and as such sharing information would infact be misinformation, I have not any sign of any actual anger or 'hatred' toward Netdevil.....
You don't think there's anything amiss? I'm sat here wearing a red and white gingham dress, and army boots, you think that's un-amiss?
It's the job of PR people to spin information into a good light for their company, and it happens all the time in all walks of life, of course their going to say that Net Devil or JGE had nothing to do with it, They would not be doing their job as a PR employee if they told the truth and in doing so put the company in a bad light.
That aside, with all things, I look at the evidence at hand, and then make my own mind up, im not a sheep and don't simply accept what other people think as fact or truth.
From the facts or at least the information I have at hand, it sells sus enough for me to conclude that something was not right, to the point that hermann left a job he not only loved, but put a lot of his life into.
So unless you can come up with proof there was no meetings, proof that hermann didnt leave because what went on in them, I will not change my mind.
if you do happen to come up with proof, that it was just coincidence, and harmless bad timing I will of course change my opinion, like many things its not set in stone, but as of this moment and with the information i have, my thoughts on the matter remain clear for all to read.
I find it overly humorous that people seem to think they are entitled to information about a product they have not even purchased yet. You can tell them you intend to spend money on it all you want, but intent does not make you have any right to information any more then the next guy.
I think what you are seeing mostly is a very small but vocal group of people who seem to have gotten this idea stuck in their head that if NetDevil does not say something it means the game is no longer in production. The reality is they probably announced JGE to early and now are facing the consequences of those early announcements, and so maybe they deserve the ridicule of this small group. I think its just a silly assumption though, games change continually and often times you will go through multiple iterations of a system and they may be vastly different. It makes sense that they don't want to tell you about a system that's likely to change before release.
This is about the point people would argue that a game under development this long should have something set in stone, but I think this falls into that category of PR. They want to announce information, but they are probably looking to do it in a constant flow leading up to release and so want to make sure they have enough content to do so. We all know that once the information stream starts becoming constant and we start seeing a lot more going on right up to the release that those people who are 'angry' or 'wary' are probably going to forget all this anyways because they will basically either like the direction or hate it and move on. If they like what they hear then no number of proclamations that they won't buy the game at release will matter because they will by that point be appeased. Its like a kid who says they will hate their parents forever if they don't get their way, they are just throwing their arms up hoping that they will get their way by making empty threats.
To be honest, I hope people who do the above don't buy the game, and don't add their drama to my having fun. I smell the fires already coming, but I am tired of the number of people who are so negative and jumping to conclusions about this game because NetDevil is being careful, I only wish more companies would do the same thing.
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I love the way people miss understand my intentions, you seem to think I dont want the game to work, or I want it to fail, I moan because I see more and more people leaving the community for other games and I see that as a problem, I would very much rather have these people stay like me, so I can enjoy blowing the crap outa them in space.
Kinda hard to kill people or form alliances and bonds with people in a game where there is hardly anyone playing now isn't it.
My biggest fear, is that Net Devil wait to long before they ramp up the PR machine and as a result they lose tons of potential players that have followed the games production like me, for years.
I think you mistook me for targeting you directly, I was mostly projecting on my view of the JGE forums which I have been watching silently for the most part because I don't see a reason to post. I did not mean to raise offense with you if that is how it came across as it was not directed at any one person.
One way or another, as long as they get the hype machine rolling there will be people waiting at the doors, I have been waiting patiently since the first announced the game quite a while ago. Just biding my time playing other space sims, waiting for the beta... just gets old reading forums about the game and seeing 90% of the posts being doomsayers who cannot make a single positive post because they feel that they have been cheated or somehow wronged because a company decided to take the cautious road and decided to hold off on information.
A post on the official forums also alluded to the fact they are waiting for the point where they have enough information to keep posting it steadily up until the release, which I think is a smart move, even if it means waiting for the time being.
I guess I am tired of all the QQing is what it amounts to, just gets old... course the simple remedy is to avoid the forums all together which is what I might do in the future.
JGE = Duke Nukem Forever 2, it will be the sequel.
But first, we have to wait for Episode 1.
I like Dvalon's "guilty until proven innocent" approach xD
Anyway I'm still looking forward to this game, and hope it releases in a good state. This and SWTOR are the two MMOs I might try out.
I'm still looking forward to JGE, from a bit far away.
STO looks like a flop to me, so I'm still looking for a nice SciFi/Space MMO