G4 got it right - Genre: RPG, MMO. That's exactly what STO seems to be.
I haven't played STO, but from what I've read it certainly doesn't sound like a MMORPG. Yes it's an RPG and a MMO, but you cannot just join those together and decide it's actually a MMORPG.
The term MMORPG is a firmly established classification, not simply an acronym.
STO is an MMORPG, why people think they can redefine the genre to make it appear something else is laughable.
It's also incredible to watch people get so agressive over something as insignificant as a games clasification....which ultimately means nothing at all.
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G4 got it right - Genre: RPG, MMO. That's exactly what STO seems to be.
I haven't played STO, but from what I've read it certainly doesn't sound like a MMORPG. Yes it's an RPG and a MMO, but you cannot just join those together and decide it's actually a MMORPG.
The term MMORPG is a firmly established classification, not simply an acronym.
Really? Proof? Oh, and wiki definition doesn't count as it has been shown to be massively flawed.
STO is most definitely not an MMORPG, it is most definitely an MMO.
What is the difference - an MMORPG in the traditional sense is a seamless, large, persistent world game with limited instancing and all or many of the various trappings (crafting, housing, etc). But it seems MMORPGs are giving way of late to a new creature, MMOs, which take the massively multiplayer part and the idea of persistence and progression (even if only in part) and make a new genre very similar to traditional MMORPGs but not quite the same.
In STO players play the role of ship captain. Playing a role = role playing. STO is a game. Therefore, since there is role playing in STO and STO is a game, it is a Role Playing Game.
Umm... no... there is NO rule that states that an MMORPG must have a seamless world. If I am wrong, which I know I am not, provide proof of the proper definition of an MMORPG that states this. Otherwise, your definition is flawed and only fits what YOU think an MMORPG should be... not what an MMORPG is.
Seriously, all of these "STO is not an MMO" or "STO is not an RPG" crap posts are getting tiresome. It is an MMORPG. That is fact. If you don't like it.... tough.
You are getting hung up on the words in the acronym. STO is most definitely not an MMORPG in the sense of what traditional MMORPGS are. But that said, it is most definitely a MMO as MMORPGs are moving towards a broader genre these days with greater variety in features and pricing models, I call these MMOs.
MMOs to me represent the broader category of games that have grown from the traditional MMORPG genre. They share some to many of the traditional elements of an MMORPG but often have heavy instancing, more linear play, and in some to many ways do not have all the traditional elements of the old school MMORPGs. Truth be told, and in defense of STO, I think traditional MMORPGs are dead in terms of being part of a bygon era when development costs allowed them to fully come to fruition, these days with costs being what they are and gamers being jaded or otherwise unimpressed by the vastness of those traditional games anymore I think all we will see coming out anymore is the broader category of MMOs.
Mind you, I say STO is an MMO, not an MMORPG, in a purely innocuous way and am not insulting the game by labeling an MMO. I just think it is time we realize that the genre has changed and the change form MMORPG to MMO is simply to represent that change. Clearly the old model, both in game features and pay models, are changing and not likely to go back - so I think these new games (starting around last year sometime - with what most call the third gen games) the traditional MMORPGs gave way to the new category MMOs.
So you created your terms of what an MMO and MMORPG is does not mean they are. that is your opinion not the true fact.
Wow is an mmorpg, I can create a Tauren, gnome, nightelf and if i want to i can study the lore and role play as such.
In Istaria I can be a dragon and role play as such.
In FFXI, i can be a taru taru or a galka and role play as such.
All these are MMORPG's the role playing game allows me to role play a character I created from the options of the game.
what can you do in STO. oh i can make a Vulcan , a klingon, heck even a Cardassian (there is a thread on how to make them via the alien spieces). I can role play. In fact have you been on the kingon faction? There are tons of players who role play klingons and even talk like them sometimes. The fact is, people actually are ROLE PLAYING their characters. The fact that i can create my race, My lore for my race and how it fits in the sto universe and role play by the lore i made makes this game an MMO and RPG. all the elements are there no matter how you try to deny it.
just because it does not have the holy trinity does not take out the MMO or the RPG from the game.
accept sto as it is n MMORPG. and even a good one to introduce more people to the genre.
It is all opinion as there is no international standards organization enforcing what is and is not an MMORPG. My take is an opinion as is yours - neither more valid. I stand by my recognition of changes to the genre though with more and more games breaking out of the traditional gameplay, game elements, and pay models and I think it is fair to refer to these as something 'new' even if clearly similar and derivative. I think the MMORPG for traditional games and MMO for the new ones makes sense and if you look at STO and some of the other games in a truly detached manner I would think you would also see that there is a difference, not saying that difference means they are better or worse just that the difference exists.
G4 got it right - Genre: RPG, MMO. That's exactly what STO seems to be.
I haven't played STO, but from what I've read it certainly doesn't sound like a MMORPG. Yes it's an RPG and a MMO, but you cannot just join those together and decide it's actually a MMORPG.
The term MMORPG is a firmly established classification, not simply an acronym.
Really? Proof? Oh, and wiki definition doesn't count as it has been shown to be massively flawed.
The typical 'wiki is bullshit' argument is kinda boring now, and if you actually use Wikipedia often like I do you realise it's far more accurate than people would have you believe.
I mean, that MMORPG is firmly established in the gaming community, the magazine reviews pretty much show that right? Most developers and veteran MMO players know exactly what it means. But you treat it as simply an acronym, which it isn't..think of it as a classification, because that's simply how it's used. I'm not exactly keen on it either. Common sense even tells me, the STO MMO game is also an RPG, so surely it's a MMORPG.
The typical 'wiki is bullshit' argument is kinda boring now, and if you actually use Wikipedia often like I do you realise it's far more accurate than people would have you believe. I mean, that MMORPG is firmly established in the gaming community, the magazine reviews pretty much show that right? Most developers and veteran MMO players know exactly what it means. But you treat it as simply an acronym, which it isn't..think of it as a classification, because that's simply how it's used. I'm not exactly keen on it either. Common sense even tells me, the STO MMO game is also an RPG, so surely it's a MMORPG. But as I said, G4 got it right. MMO, RPG.
Wasn't me than mentioned wiki I was just responding about wiki, because overall wiki is 'usually' quite a good/accurate knowledge base.
It wasn't me either. It was the OP, who wanted to use Wikipedia to prove that STO isn't an MMORPG by quoting Wiki's definition. So I pulled up the STO page there and it clearly stated that STO is an MMORPG.I don't remember too many people having issues with wiki when it suited their purpose.
I heard that a first person shooter game, MAG I think, has a coop mode that supports 256 players fighting in the same zone. It is called a "Massive Action Game", so I guess 256 players qualifies as "massive"
I remember playing Freelancer on a server that allowed up to 64 players at once, so perhaps that is also "massive"?
A very large number of players interact with one another. I know I only played OB, but there was no very large numbre of players to interact with. The most i saw in one place was 20 in a fleet action and even then there was aboslute no interaction, strategy or communication of any kind. They could have been AI ships and the experience would have been the same.
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If not talking about definition and comparing to other "MMORPG" it fits also. Look at WoW: player cant change anything that will remain. Almost all asian Grind MMORPGs also doesnt have anything you can change. Other MMORPGs such as L2, EQ2, RYZOM and many other have some pvp or sort of that related functions in which you can take control of city, castle or something like that, but it doesnt change world a bit, is it what you call persistant? dont think so...
Following that logic this site would be almost empty, like 5 or so MMORPG really exist.
I dont understand why such threads arent locked.. They dont provide anything... nor discussion nor information...
this is not a mmorpg, sfc 3 and sfc2 were more an mmorpg then then sto, war craft 3 is not an mmorpg, its a single player game witha multiplater componet and that is what sto is.
To answer that question I think you need to define, at a rudimentary level, what is an MMO? I would say that the one most important aspect of an MMO is that the world is persistant. I.e. you log of but the "world lives on". In STO the only thing that is persistant is your character and equipment (including ships). Everything else in the "world" is static and instanced. Starbases, planets, PvP maps, missions, EVERYTHING else is static, instanced and unchangeable.
Like Global Agenda, STO is a MMOFPS or MMOTPS (Third-Person Shooter).
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http://g4tv.com/games/pc/53123/star-trek-online/index/
Publisher:Atari Genre:RPG, MMO
I guess G4 needs to be "educated" as well.
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I think there are many kinds of mmo games and this is one of them. You are just supposed to play other mmos but this one is from other kind.
I just find it hilarious that the OP tried using Wikipedia for his example, it blew up in his face and now he's ignoring his own thread.
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According to eurogamer, it's an mmo
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/star-trek-online-review
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G4 got it right - Genre: RPG, MMO. That's exactly what STO seems to be.
I haven't played STO, but from what I've read it certainly doesn't sound like a MMORPG. Yes it's an RPG and a MMO, but you cannot just join those together and decide it's actually a MMORPG.
The term MMORPG is a firmly established classification, not simply an acronym.
STO is an MMORPG, why people think they can redefine the genre to make it appear something else is laughable.
It's also incredible to watch people get so agressive over something as insignificant as a games clasification....which ultimately means nothing at all.
Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy
Really? Proof? Oh, and wiki definition doesn't count as it has been shown to be massively flawed.
Seriously, all of these "STO is not an MMO" or "STO is not an RPG" crap posts are getting tiresome. It is an MMORPG. That is fact. If you don't like it.... tough.
You are getting hung up on the words in the acronym. STO is most definitely not an MMORPG in the sense of what traditional MMORPGS are. But that said, it is most definitely a MMO as MMORPGs are moving towards a broader genre these days with greater variety in features and pricing models, I call these MMOs.
MMOs to me represent the broader category of games that have grown from the traditional MMORPG genre. They share some to many of the traditional elements of an MMORPG but often have heavy instancing, more linear play, and in some to many ways do not have all the traditional elements of the old school MMORPGs. Truth be told, and in defense of STO, I think traditional MMORPGs are dead in terms of being part of a bygon era when development costs allowed them to fully come to fruition, these days with costs being what they are and gamers being jaded or otherwise unimpressed by the vastness of those traditional games anymore I think all we will see coming out anymore is the broader category of MMOs.
Mind you, I say STO is an MMO, not an MMORPG, in a purely innocuous way and am not insulting the game by labeling an MMO. I just think it is time we realize that the genre has changed and the change form MMORPG to MMO is simply to represent that change. Clearly the old model, both in game features and pay models, are changing and not likely to go back - so I think these new games (starting around last year sometime - with what most call the third gen games) the traditional MMORPGs gave way to the new category MMOs.
So you created your terms of what an MMO and MMORPG is does not mean they are. that is your opinion not the true fact.
Wow is an mmorpg, I can create a Tauren, gnome, nightelf and if i want to i can study the lore and role play as such.
In Istaria I can be a dragon and role play as such.
In FFXI, i can be a taru taru or a galka and role play as such.
All these are MMORPG's the role playing game allows me to role play a character I created from the options of the game.
what can you do in STO. oh i can make a Vulcan , a klingon, heck even a Cardassian (there is a thread on how to make them via the alien spieces). I can role play. In fact have you been on the kingon faction? There are tons of players who role play klingons and even talk like them sometimes. The fact is, people actually are ROLE PLAYING their characters. The fact that i can create my race, My lore for my race and how it fits in the sto universe and role play by the lore i made makes this game an MMO and RPG. all the elements are there no matter how you try to deny it.
just because it does not have the holy trinity does not take out the MMO or the RPG from the game.
accept sto as it is n MMORPG. and even a good one to introduce more people to the genre.
It is all opinion as there is no international standards organization enforcing what is and is not an MMORPG. My take is an opinion as is yours - neither more valid. I stand by my recognition of changes to the genre though with more and more games breaking out of the traditional gameplay, game elements, and pay models and I think it is fair to refer to these as something 'new' even if clearly similar and derivative. I think the MMORPG for traditional games and MMO for the new ones makes sense and if you look at STO and some of the other games in a truly detached manner I would think you would also see that there is a difference, not saying that difference means they are better or worse just that the difference exists.
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Really? Proof? Oh, and wiki definition doesn't count as it has been shown to be massively flawed.
The typical 'wiki is bullshit' argument is kinda boring now, and if you actually use Wikipedia often like I do you realise it's far more accurate than people would have you believe.
I mean, that MMORPG is firmly established in the gaming community, the magazine reviews pretty much show that right? Most developers and veteran MMO players know exactly what it means. But you treat it as simply an acronym, which it isn't..think of it as a classification, because that's simply how it's used. I'm not exactly keen on it either. Common sense even tells me, the STO MMO game is also an RPG, so surely it's a MMORPG.
But as I said, G4 got it right. MMO, RPG.
If it isn't bullshit, you do not agree with wiki?
Massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) is a genre of computer role-playing games in which a very large number of players interact with one another within a virtual game world.
STO fits into definition perfectly.
Wasn't me than mentioned wiki
I was just responding about wiki, because overall wiki is 'usually' quite a good/accurate knowledge base.
It wasn't me either. It was the OP, who wanted to use Wikipedia to prove that STO isn't an MMORPG by quoting Wiki's definition. So I pulled up the STO page there and it clearly stated that STO is an MMORPG.I don't remember too many people having issues with wiki when it suited their purpose.
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I heard that a first person shooter game, MAG I think, has a coop mode that supports 256 players fighting in the same zone. It is called a "Massive Action Game", so I guess 256 players qualifies as "massive"
I remember playing Freelancer on a server that allowed up to 64 players at once, so perhaps that is also "massive"?
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A very large number of players interact with one another. I know I only played OB, but there was no very large numbre of players to interact with. The most i saw in one place was 20 in a fleet action and even then there was aboslute no interaction, strategy or communication of any kind. They could have been AI ships and the experience would have been the same.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
No true Scotsman would agree.
Or something.
STO fits every word in MMORPG.
If not talking about definition and comparing to other "MMORPG" it fits also. Look at WoW: player cant change anything that will remain. Almost all asian Grind MMORPGs also doesnt have anything you can change. Other MMORPGs such as L2, EQ2, RYZOM and many other have some pvp or sort of that related functions in which you can take control of city, castle or something like that, but it doesnt change world a bit, is it what you call persistant? dont think so...
Following that logic this site would be almost empty, like 5 or so MMORPG really exist.
I dont understand why such threads arent locked.. They dont provide anything... nor discussion nor information...
this is not a mmorpg, sfc 3 and sfc2 were more an mmorpg then then sto, war craft 3 is not an mmorpg, its a single player game witha multiplater componet and that is what sto is.
even mmorpg review states that
This sort of debate has already occurred:
www.mmorpg.com/blogs/staffblog/102009/4897_Definition-Insanity-What-is-an-MMO
Is it an RPG? No, it's an adventure game (my reasoning is expressed in other threads below).
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3387008#3387008 - 6th from top.
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3387890#3387890 - 5th from top.
And, your reasoning would be incorrect. I have already explained why STO is an RPG through one of your links and earlier in this thread.
Like Global Agenda, STO is a MMOFPS or MMOTPS (Third-Person Shooter).
Please refrain from personal attacks on other users and try to stay on topic.