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Banned again for talking about Fear of Death to much.
kanechart
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It happen again I explained it all at my blog.
http://kanehart.com/2010/02/02/allods-online-banned-for-trying-to-save-the-game/
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I understand what you say you are doing, but remember, it is their house. They can do as they please. I respect your opinion, but you are only giving us your side of the story, and the fact remains that we must respect the fact that they are in charge of the forums not you or I.
As far as the FoD timers, as far as I understood them they only take effect if you are not rezzed by someone. If this is true, then it is not quite as bad as it has been made to seem. It does put a damper on pvp, which I was looking forward to until this flagging nonsense was introduced. I have read some very well written constructive posts that deal with the same topics as you, yet they do not seem to be closed. I wish you well mate!
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
I understand what you say you are doing, but remember, it is their house. They can do as they please. I respect your opinion, but you are only giving us your side of the story, and the fact remains that we must respect the fact that they are in charge of the forums not you or I.
As far as the FoD timers, as far as I understood them they only take effect if you are not rezzed by someone. If this is true, then it is not quite as bad as it has been made to seem. It does put a damper on pvp, which I was looking forward to until this flagging nonsense was introduced. I have read some very well written constructive posts that deal with the same topics as you, yet they do not seem to be closed. I wish you well mate!
Cheers!
I wish I could tell you the other side of the story. I requested it all they said was harassing GMs. I asked what did I say so I can learn from my mistakes and I get nothing. Besides pushing for the removel of fear of death I really did nothing wrong. Many others been getting banned and posting in random places. It looks like 99% of the players don't use mmorpg. I'm in smaller beta's with way more activity then here.
Anyways I told them I want to work it out you can't just perm ban me and that is it find a new game. I don't play dead!
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I've actually been following a lot of the posts on the forums hoping the GMs communicate to the players that a fix is coming soon or when they plan on starting Open Beta. Kane's posts were pretty reasonable and I see no reason he deserved a ban. Now for a quick rant.
First, why are they calling it an Open Beta when it's clearly a release? Characters aren't going to be wiped from Open Beta on and the item mall will be open for all. That's a RELEASE. You are charging for your damn game. You can no longer use the it's beta excuse as a reason for an unfinished product if you are charging people for the game! Call it by what it really is.
Second, since there is an utter lack of communication between the GMs we can probably just assume they are not going to fix the problem. The excessive locking of threads complaining about the issue means the GMs are trying to keep the information about the item mall away from potiental new players following the game. This leads me to believe that it's going to remain in the game at least till after Open Beta (or RELEASE if we want to call it by it's proper name). There goes a potiental game for our guild to try. Gpotato may have just lost a lot of money from adult players there.
Third, moderators have to remain calm. It's not their job to ban customers who are upset and post negatively. There job is to make sure nobody spams, uses profanity or slurs, or generally isn't trying to stir up trouble by trolling. I once posted a review of a game here on MMORPG.com forums that was under NDA (accidentally, thought it wasn't under NDA) and got warned (fairly) by the moderator not to do it anymore or I'd get a ban. I don't know if Kane got a similar warning, but you can't just ban someone in my opinion for the tone of their post. He was genuinely upset with the changes and of course he had a negative tone. He didn't go off spouting profanties or trying to even troll Allods/Gpotata/Nival/the forum moderators/etc. Saying he's taking a negative tone is almost like the way my mother use to speak to me when I was a child, "Don't take that tone with me, young man!". Is that really how the moderator wants to present themselves?
Fourth, a moderator should never complain about their job. I understand Sadie is a GM and probably wants to focus on more in game customer service; however if she is spending all that time on the forums moderating then she needs to say something to Gpotato and get them to hire another moderator or GM. I really don't care if her job is stressful and she's overworked and can't get things done. It's not something she should share with the community especially since she's basically saying it's the community's fault which is something a representive of the company should never do. What about the customer is always right?
Lastly, has I already stated if this doesn't get fixed Gpotato/Nival can potientally lose more paying customers than they would make up for over the children and suckers they can milk money out of. Losing 10 customers who pay $15 a month is worse than losing 1 who may pay $150 a month. A bigger community looks better and attracts more people in. A lot of people are more than willing to pay for an item mall that has reasonable items on it that have little or no effect on gameplay. I don't know what Nival was thinking when they decided this was a good idea, but I guess we still have a ways to go before F2P companies realize that offering up a more reasonable cash shop (EX: League of Legends) is better for the game over time than offering a cash shop designed to milk players for every penny.
In conculsion, I'm going to take Allods off the suggestions for games for our guild to play and I also plan on never recommending this game to anyone. Before the changes I was perfectly willing to recommend this as the best F2P available.
Thanks all for the support and darn I wish the best for Allods but damn why they want me dead. i keep telling them don't ban this new forum account will work it out via PM I will not post on the forums.
BAN so now I have this new punishment system. Eachtime they ban the forum account used for only PM to the GM's I will make another account to cause chaos. then I will do it again and try to talk it out.
It's good I work on computers all day. I got so much time!
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I'll tell you though you are starting to go about this wrong and need to stop. Making more posts after they banned you isn't going to accomplish anything except making you look bad. You could have sent an e-mail to Gpotato complaining about the GMs (similarly you'd probably want to talk to a supervisor or manager if you had a problem with tech support somewhere else) if you really thought they were in the wrong. I don't think you'd have much of a case now. If you want to get the word out about Allods I'd suggest you try MMO related forums, but logging on new accounts on an account you are banned on is just not the way to go about it. It would be like standing outside a store window yelling about that store. You just look like some nutjob.
Two ways I think you should consider going about it:
1. If you really want to make an impact you could try e-mailing or getting into contact somehow with the people who post articles on sites like this, MMOSite, Tentonhammer, etc. and link them to your blog or explain the situation. It should draw some actual media attention to the issue and may force Gpotato to change it. If it doesn't work you can always just go to option 2.
2. Ignore it. Their loss. They don't have your money and anyone you may have convinced to play the game through your videos and other forms of media. They'll soon realize the impact it has on the game just like the Russian servers and if they know better will probably take action.
Yeah your right I guess but this company I read a lot up on them they don't give a crap about anything. From what i can google. Maybe I should crack up my C++ books and start coding again
Always can play on my own server lol
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Heys.
you could just build your own.. you should take a look at Blender. Very powerfull tool and its free
uses Python though. I am retired from the industry and prefer it over my Maya.. 
Great hobby to pass the time.
As for Allods.. well, if resurecting cancels out the penalty, I know I would roll a priest/healer just to spite them
I know its not as attactive as DPS, but if it puts a miniscule dent in thier cash shop not selling perfumes.. would make it all the more reason. But I was under the impression that rezzing didn't affect the dp? I hope I am wrong.
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"He who reigns within himself and rules his passions, desires, and fears is more than a king."
"Where there is much desire to learn, there of necessity will be much argruing, much writting, many opinions; for opinions in good men is but knowledge in the making."
John Milton 1608-1674
Surely they can't be THAT bad.
Really, though, send an email to GPotato complaining about being banned on the forums for complaints ( and not unreasonable ones at that, whilst you'd posted in a clear, precise tone on the issue ) and then subsequently IP banned by the same moderator.
It's a case of a moderator abusing their power because they're getting a trip out of it.
I have I even did it nice way to try not to get anyone in trouble. The GM's said their supervisor said no for unbanning me.
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I understand what you say you are doing, but remember, it is their house. They can do as they please. I respect your opinion, but you are only giving us your side of the story, and the fact remains that we must respect the fact that they are in charge of the forums not you or I.
As far as the FoD timers, as far as I understood them they only take effect if you are not rezzed by someone. If this is true, then it is not quite as bad as it has been made to seem. It does put a damper on pvp, which I was looking forward to until this flagging nonsense was introduced. I have read some very well written constructive posts that deal with the same topics as you, yet they do not seem to be closed. I wish you well mate!
Cheers!
no its not thier house if the customer is paying for it period and the fact that they treat thier customers horribly will be a death knell
I understand what you say you are doing, but remember, it is their house. They can do as they please. I respect your opinion, but you are only giving us your side of the story, and the fact remains that we must respect the fact that they are in charge of the forums not you or I.
As far as the FoD timers, as far as I understood them they only take effect if you are not rezzed by someone. If this is true, then it is not quite as bad as it has been made to seem. It does put a damper on pvp, which I was looking forward to until this flagging nonsense was introduced. I have read some very well written constructive posts that deal with the same topics as you, yet they do not seem to be closed. I wish you well mate!
Cheers!
no its not thier house if the customer is paying for it period and the fact that they treat thier customers horribly will be a death knell
It is a free game though I plan of course of dumping cash muhaha lots of cash. But I mean until I get my account back I can't even play. I mean the ban on the forums could have been temp and the in game ban should have never happen. But a total perm ban from the forums and in game...
All I did wrong was care for the game to much like what the heck. I feel like a freedom fighter who got killed. But this aint a war its a game.
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Not resolved yet in the next few days prob day of open beta launch will be posting a big big rant to show what kind customer support you may have to deal with.
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Yeah I got WARNED once for having "Negative" posts
So I'm not praising the game to the mountain tops...Sometimes I wonder if Allods Online is really a front for the USSR
I can tell you one: the rants will not get you into the game. It is their game and their private place, they set the rules and they can expel anyone for no reason at all, they just usually do not excersise their right because it is bad for business. You are fighting overhelming forces, on their home turf, and they have rights on their side. The best you can ask for is mercy, but that means giving up first.
They are indeed very carefull about FoD. I would appreciate if they were more honest and straight, because I feel the biggest flaw in it is it is not explained truthfully - the FoD itself can even make the game better place if done right. They know that it will not be accepted lightly and your campaing only enforces this so they keep the information tight and instead of explaining they keep obscuring it even more. FoD will not go away, but if players as well as publisher is reasonable and the game is successfull it may become acceptable.
Yeah I remember when Tabula Rasa sprung theirs on the players but eventually they went back and fixed the darn thing so it was more acceptable
To the guy who got Banned several dozen times over, Did you personally go onto your gPotato account and contact a GM that way or by email? they kinda tell ya to do that when you get banned to plead your case.
Although if they're being hardasses about it, screw em and find yourself a game where they don't act like gods of everything.
The site seems to have many areas of open communication even the community manager lists her facebook/twitter/myspace. Try the email addresses in the technical support portion of the forum.
You think the GMs on this game are bad? Try playing Runes of Magic... it's like they gave a bunch of ten year olds GM powers and said, "Have fun!"
[quote][i]Originally posted by joker007mo[/i] no its not thier house if the customer is paying for it period and the fact that they treat thier customers horribly will be a death knell [/quote]
No one in NA has spent a dime on this game yet. Gpotato built and maintains the website. How did any customers contribute to that other than posting, at Gpotato's descrection, on their forums. Im sure with this logic you stroll into stores near your home and tell everyone there that you obviously may act as you please since you may be a customer.
[quote][i]Originally posted by kanechart[/i] All I did wrong was care for the game to much like what the heck. I feel like a freedom fighter who got killed. But this aint a war its a game. [/quote]
No you broke their forum rules according to them. We only have your side of the story here, and seriously, a freedom fighter? Getting a bit of an ego dont you think mate?
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
Its gpotato what you expect? that company is ran by the biggest group of asshat's I have seen. I got temp banned there once for the stupidest thing of just mention another games name (not even a url or anything) and it was a perm ban and it was a 1st offense too like wtf? Gpotato is also the only mmo hoster I seen that asks the dev teams for certan tweaks so they can make a bigger profit (The flyff patch that did nothing but lower the already low upgrade success rate more and added some more useless cs crap). Now I personally don't follow Allods, its a pretty game but I also think its yet another boring wow clone.. Devs listen, if I wanted to play WoW I would, now please STOP MAKING BILAINT(sp?) CLONES OF IT (I didn't like the combat mainly in allods). I notice gpotato's forum mods tend to go on power trips and randomy ban people for the smallest and silliest of things.
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Excerpt from your blog. Revealing comments highlighted:
"At this point its not even about protecting their selves it about making sure I have no fun at all. I feel like crying like a little kid I just want to frigan play and have fun. I made friends in game and many cool people and has some great zone chats about computers and its amazing how the community is mature in the game.
Not sure what to even do now I feel like some nagetive things but that does not resolve anything but what are you suppose to do if someone refuses to talk to you but will ban your account and knowing your trying? I sent in emails, twitters, pm’s and the works…"
I would suggest stop ranting and crying like a little child about FoD. You're beginning to look like a trouble maker. Don't like the FoD feature in a free to play game? I suggest looking elsewhere and stop harassing the team.
You do not have a right to play the game, it's a privilege. It's free. They said, here guys have fun, no obligation to pay, play as long and often as you want with no charge. What you're doing is similar to signing up for Yahoo Free online games, and then complaining about a feature in one of their free online games. Seriously, they probably had enough. They don't need/want someone coming in there and disparaging a FREE TO PLAY game. They likely want the community to stay positive and have fun. When folks come around starting trouble they get banned.
Sorry bro, but they have every right to do what they want in the game. If they wanted to transform the graphics to 1980 style wireframe they can do it.
Perhaps this is similar to making a little kid stand in the corner for a while until he pipes down. And from the comments in your blog, I think I'm pretty accurate. I'm almost positive that if you shape up, they'll let you enjoy the rest of recess.
well the concern about FoD is real as it's rather harsh atm
What with the way the game works you can die in any fight you do whether it be PvE or PvP
and considering that once you pop past the 20 mark you have a 20% increased chance to DIE everytime you go to do a quest throw another 10% on that at 30 and at 35+ you're pretty much taking a shot in the dark.
The issue is that PvP is not too balanced atm, PvE isn't either realistically and yet just because they forgot to put in a death penalty system to start with they slap down one that was even Harsher than Tabula Rasa's FIRST Rez Sickness debuff which was pretty harsh let me tell you.
FoD isn't going anywhere most of us understand THAT fact the PROBLEM remains however that it's a tad too harsh for the environment in which its in.
Well, this is the company's 'banning' policy, it is conducted in Russian forums,too. Posts are deleted, threads closed, people banned. We have waited for introducing item stack splitting for about half a year (it was finally fixed two weeks ago, to be honest). But ANY bug concerning Fod (the source of their money) is fixed PRETTY FAST. The bug that erroneousely removed FoD after travelling in June's Spheres (or how you write it) was fixed the NEXT DAY after it had been posted.
Don't hope for anything; they don't bother anyway((
About this 'you have no right to ask for anything since its F2P game'.
The fact is that they just tell us lies. They say - here, it's free to play, it's for you... enjoy it. And after that they are making you to pay.
Yes, it's understandable - they developed a game, they spent some resources on it but that's no excuse for lying!!
Just tell us - it costs (xxx) USD a month to play - everything OK, but don't try to MAKE us pay, try only to suggest paying more.
And if you tell it's free - anyway, don't MAKE people pay, make the game more pleasant for those who pay or something like that.
And as for now - FoD is to make people pay. It's such a strong thing, that the monsters you succesfully kill without it, can easily kill you when you are under FoD.
Let me get this straight. You are complaining about a game made by Russians that they are too strict in their moderation policies? Do they not teach history in school these days? Freedom of speech is not likely a core trait of the average Russian citizen, and they certainly don't feel any obligation to coddle troublemakers.
No matter how righteous you seem to think you are, this is just a damn game. If you want to fight for a cause, find one that's worth dying for, MMORPG's certainly isn't one of them.
Last point, can't you just make another new account and not tell them who you were? Problem solved, you can keep playing the game as long as you don't tell them.
But you seemed to be more concerned about getting them to admit their error and realize you were right.
Let me tell you now, it isn't ever going to happen. You just don't matter that much.
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Kyleran, imo you're right but the real problem was (as I understood) that the developers tend to ignore the critics and, moreover, try to forbid it. In fact, it's the first forum in Russia I visited where they behave so... others give warning, anyone can see for what and if someone is banned- it's obviousely that he's worth that.