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Kiersten
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What is going on with this recently? I haven't heard so much as a peep about it in a while. Any earth shattering news to be had?
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Technically it's still being worked on. Last I heard, they had no money to pay their staff so most of the developers left. Apparently they received some funding recently, so we'll see.
There is also some info going around linking the owners to MMOGULs which is a pyramid scheme.
I'm being vague because I honestly don't remember and I'm too lazy to look for more info.
What do you mean by recently?
In 2008 CME (AKA Gary Whiting) missed the payroll.
In early 2009 most staff were laid off after the payroll was not met again for many months.
CME was unable to start their promised Beta test due to being sued by the server provider and no staff.
A media blackout followed where CME refused to say anything regarding SGW.
Brad Wright (cowriter and producer for the Stargate TV series and movies) declared SGW was not going to be released.
Next the actor that plays Daniel Jackson (Micheal Shanks) insinuated SGW & CME had failed in an interview.
The CEO of CME was found to be running a pyramid scheme based on selling SGW, called MMOGULs.
In early to mid 2009 a mass of court cases were made against Gary Whiting and his holdings concerning the SGW debacle.
In mid 2009 with no developers left and no chance of completeing SGW CME shelved it and started working on a 3rd person shooter named "Stargate Battles" (Now known as Stargate Resistance).
Late 2009 CME announce that SGW has been "scaled back" until SGR is released in early 2010 to pay for the further development off SGW.
So CME/Whiting is being sued by unpaid former employees, landlords, data providers, former business partners, investors in SGW and MMOGULs and his wife.
The consensus is that SGW will never be released and SGR is unlikley to ever be released either, if SGR does release it would flop as it's merely a 3rd person shooter being put together out of 18 month old code from their dead MMORPG project SGW. With the original DEVs gone they have a few guys that didn't do any of the work on it trying to hash SGW together into a different game. Well they have until the end of March to release it, kind of reminds me of the Beta test that was meant to start early last year!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
This looks interesting. Another lawsuit to take control of the company. Looks like Keith Deering is looking to take control of the company. Did not know there were so many people involved. Please note that Mr. Gunther is listed as a defendant, along with the McKells, who are trying to do the same thing in Utah?
Link to case:
http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CivilCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CV2010-003106
Also odd that this is a mere week before Resistance is to be released. Looks like a full on power/money struggle.
Whoa! Cheyenne Mountain Games is one of the plaintiffs in that games AGAINST Whiting and MMOGULS.
edited to note that Gunther is listed on the docket as a female. 0.o
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The drama at CME/Firesky never ends!
All these lawsuits are mute if Resistance tanks ... or even does well. There are so many creditors waiting for their payday.
Someone give Guther a call and see what's up!
Edit: On a side note, this might be some sort of legal move to keep Nedra away as her case is again back in the Arizona courts with oral argument set. http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Civil/012010/m4070539.pdf
If I recall, Keith Deering (one of the plaintiffs) was listed as the only other director on the board of CME (with Whiting) back in 2007, but his name vanished from the annual reports after that.
Sounds like a coupe to me.
I get the Whiting, Gagon, Garvic, Hardin, MMOGULS, etc. listed as defendants. But what about the rest of the current and past employees (Jensen, Ellgren, Yabarra, etc.) that had full knowledge of Whiting's shenanigans?
Not sure what to make of the remaining defendant list. Wasn't John Bellrose recently in the CME offices and posting mini-updates on the Stargate boards? Todd Ellering is listed as their recent Technology Director (in Resistance's credits), etc. and Imran Safiulla is the "team stargate" guy.
I agree this case may well be a tactic to delay the outcome of the Nedra case. It says director removal in the notes also the Mckells are there, I get the feeling it's more smoke and mirrors from Gary. Getting his buddy to sue him in order to stave off the immanent destruction, dragging out the real case and giving him more time.
Think about it, how could CME be making SGR and get it released when the company is sueing the CEO and owner (the guy that pays everything from wages to utility bills to rent) and the people providing the CEO with the income (MMOGULs)? If this case were legit then SGR dies now, if not then it's just an attempt to stave off the inevitable.
Either way with this much litigation flying about I don't see how anyone even the most ardent FanOri, could believe this is leading to good places. If you still believe SGW and for that matter SGR is going to hit the shelves anytime this side of the next ice age you should head down to Mesa, I here CME needs some volunteer workers and investors!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Hearing to show cause is tomorrow in Downtown Phoenix. Wake up Kyriesunset and get us some news!
At this point, I am betting on GW trying to fake his own death, and flying to Rio with one or more of his "not wives" with a bag full of whatever cash is left....
I was able to review the complaint (it is over 200 pages!). CME is looking to remove Gary Whiting as a director due to breach of fiduciary duty, fraud, breach of contract, unjust enrichment, and the list goes on and on.
They claim Whiting has borrowed over $4.6 million from CME, and then tried to make the paper trail disappear. Over the years, withdrew over $2.3 million from CME bank accounts, without approval (they actually use the words “his own piggy bank”). Transferred naming rights, stock options, tax credits, issued stock to his shell companies, etc. all without paying CME a dime. In total, it could be over $40 million in stock issued – hard to follow the bouncing shell game at a glance.
The suit also confirms rumors of the listening devices in offices at CME, and Mr. Whiting’s assistant spying on employees and going through their desks! CME also is concerned about the liability that Fred Gagon brings to CME since he is banned in Arizona for selling securities.
As far as all the defendants listed, CME claims that they all provided substantial assistance, encouragement and received funds from Whiting in exchange for assisting in carrying out various transactions discussed in the complaint. The Nedra McKell transaction is listed and well documented. CME claims they had no knowledge (hard to believe when they had Nedra at an all-hands meeting)
Currently, CME has outstanding account payables of over 6 million – some listed in the complaint are outsourcing and animation for SGW (hopefully they do not have those assets in Resistance!) There is no mention of past payroll liability. (Maybe payroll is caught up now?)
Also, there is little mention of MMOGULS and how they entered into their SGW ‘subscriptions’ they were selling.
CME is looking for the return of assets, stock, compensatory and punitive damages, and attorney fees. They also seek an accelerated schedule for resolution before Resistance ships, so that it’s revenue can properly be captured and distributed.
Stargate Worlds is dead. Kaput. The spark of it's life is gone, but the stench remains. In it's stead, we have Stargate Resistance. It is a fps shooter, ala Halo et al. However in this, you get to choose between one of two factions. System Lords and SGU. It is using what was "playable" in the game (including the classes, artwork, etc) during their last beta before everything went south for them. It is currently in beta, I think open- though you might want to look up on that. It seems we will have to wait until someone competent comes along to design an actual SG mmorpg.
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"Hey, if Activision liked it, then they should have put a ring on it," Double Fine President Tim Schafer said. "Oh great, now Beyonce is going to sue me too."
As far as I knew Stargate battles is under Firesky, not CME.....
Maybe they can catch revenue from Firesky that goes to GW himself, but I seriously doubt they could take revenue earned from another company (Firesky) that has developed, produced and distributed it themselves, without CME.
*edit*
Was a mis quote from something I thought I saw.
Good or not, they seems to have failed to build up any buzz for this. With no beta and only about a 2 week pre-release announcement, it seems to have not made much of an impression outside of the SGW/R forums.
I see only the briefest of notice from the F13 community... and no one's commented on the Reddit post about it either (a social bookmarking/comment site) after 12 hours.
Of course, that might be a blessing about not being talked about in the F13 forum... they tend to savage bad games
This is the SGW forums. If you would like to talk about SGR please make a thread in General Gaming.
Thank you.
Then make an SGR section. Simple as that. As in under SGW forums have a sub forum called SGR. Pretty easy thing to do even for this site.
Then make an SGR section. Simple as that. As in under SGW forums have a sub forum called SGR. Pretty easy thing to do even for this site.
Why would they make a sub-forum for a PC shooter on mmorpg.com? To cater to your wants? I guess they should make one for MW2 then eh?
I'm curious... most shooters are based in an arena setting, right? I admit I've never played one because I'm just not interested. But SGR sounds almost like it's in a persistent world, if I read the blurbs on D2D.
If so, does this mean that it requires CME to host a server? Or is this just a default, and anyone can host a game?
Then make an SGR section. Simple as that. As in under SGW forums have a sub forum called SGR. Pretty easy thing to do even for this site.
Why would they make a sub-forum for a PC shooter on mmorpg.com? To cater to your wants? I guess they should make one for MW2 then eh?
Because there asking people not to discuss SGR here even though it is related to SGW. If they wish for players not to discuss something related to SGW here then they need to either create a sub forum for it or they need to chill because people are going to discuss it for the simple fact it IS related to SGW. 1) It's using some of SWG's content. 2) Revenue generated by SGR is hopefully being pumped into SGW to fund the continued development.
It also doesn't help when the developers give us info on SGR when we ask about SGW's.
So in the end SGR will be discussed and unless MMORPG.com is willing to make a sub forum for it, then it will be discussed in this one as this is the closest relating forum for it.
If you look through the threads here you will see it discussed fairly often since it was announced. Next I guess you'll wonder why people are discussing MMOGUL's here ...
The mods do not seem to agree.
When they say "take it to general gaming" that seems to the place for it.
Is Diablo 3 discussed in the WoW forum just because blizzard also makes it? Not if people don't want it moved.
SGR is not an MMO. It is a single player game. So it does not belong here, or be advertised here. Simple as that.
Except anyone that played in the alpha / CB of SGW and has watched the gameplay vid of SGR realizes that they alpha'd SGR...
They are completely intertwined. The skins are the same, the worlds are the same, the engine is the same, etc. The only thing not the same is that it is a shooter now rather than SGW's turn-based pseudo-shooter mmo. I'd be willing to bet that the tutorial / single player portion of SGR is *exactly* the same as what we saw in late CB. Basically, you could say that SGW developed SGR and can only hope that SGR generates the cash to continue SGW.
Now, if I wanted to discuss SG mods for HL2 or something, that might belong elsewhere...
The mods do not seem to agree.
When they say "take it to general gaming" that seems to the place for it.
Is Diablo 3 discussed in the WoW forum just because blizzard also makes it? Not if people don't want it moved.
SGR is not an MMO. It is a single player game. So it does not belong here, or be advertised here. Simple as that.
MMOGUL's should not have being allowed to have being discussed on these forums at all. In fact if mmoguls is allowed to be discussed then SGR should be as well. SGR is not a single player game, it is an online third person shooter like the free version of Global Agenda (minus a few things of course but I hope you see my point)
Also TenTonHammer has SGR up as a MMO... just saying.
The mods do not seem to agree.
When they say "take it to general gaming" that seems to the place for it.
Is Diablo 3 discussed in the WoW forum just because blizzard also makes it? Not if people don't want it moved.
SGR is not an MMO. It is a single player game. So it does not belong here, or be advertised here. Simple as that.
MMOGUL's should not have being allowed to have being discussed on these forums at all. In fact if mmoguls is allowed to be discussed then SGR should be as well. SGR is not a single player game, it is an online third person shooter like the free version of Global Agenda (minus a few things of course but I hope you see my point)
Also TenTonHammer has SGR up as a MMO... just saying.
Your opinion doesn't matter, and neither does mine. The mods are not calling it an MMO, CME is not calling it a MMO. It ain't an MMO. As such, it has no place here. Where the code originally came from is irrelevant.
Diablo 2 is not an MMO, and yet has online cooperative play. SGR is being released like counterstrike or any other cooperative shooter, and those are not MMOs, as fit the usual definition. Go see all the threads over in the STO section about that one, many people don't consider that game to be an MMO or MMORPG and that has many more elements than this thing.
Want to ban talk about MMOGULs? Fine by me, seems like a scam anyway. But note, links to and advertising for MMOGULs are completely absent.
As for TenTon, they are probably as confused as anyone about the bastard parentage of this mentioned single player game and misclassified it. Want to talk about it? TenTon is a good a place as any, or Gamspot or the like.
But here is not the place.
I issued a warning in a previous post about getting back on topic.
Locked.