Well there are plenty of MMORPGs that are 100% PvE with no PvP if you don't want it. In fact the vast majority of them are instanced, pve games. I find it boring myself sitting in an instance for hours spamming two keys to get some shitty loot everyone else has already. Paying a fee for a single player game with a chatbox so I can spend 6 hours to get "Gandalf's G string of doom". But hey whatever floats your boat I suppose! Darkfall 4 life!
Funny how some people say "whatever floats your boat" after completely belittling people who enjoy other game styles. Guess what chump? You think darkfall has any more meaning than some stupid themepark? It doesnt. They are all games. So get over yourself.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
Well there are plenty of MMORPGs that are 100% PvE with no PvP if you don't want it. In fact the vast majority of them are instanced, pve games. I find it boring myself sitting in an instance for hours spamming two keys to get some shitty loot everyone else has already. Paying a fee for a single player game with a chatbox so I can spend 6 hours to get "Gandalf's G string of doom". But hey whatever floats your boat I suppose! Darkfall 4 life!
What a load of condescending, short-sighted crap.
... because that's an accurate and all-encompassing description of all MMO's without PvP, right?
... because you've "nailed" what anyone else enjoys PvE for, right?
-rolls eyes-
Come on Agricola... I've read a lot of your posts and I know you're more intelligent than that. You're doing yourself a disservice posting such nonsense. You used to post consistently measured, well thought-out posts. Lately you've started sounding like a closed-minded Darkfall drone.
That said...
In answer to the question of this thread... Yes.
I can and do very well enjoy a MMO without PvP, if the PvE is well designed and well-executed. I don't know where this notion came from that a MMO needs PvP to be fun, but it's not my experience and I don't think it's true.
Despite Agricola's exaggerated description above, there is a lot more to do in a typical PvE MMO than just grind for uber gear. The thing is, there are many players who ignore most of the content and and consider getting to end game to raid over and over again for "phat lewt", to be the entire point of playing. That's not a design fault in the game, it's the result of those players' one-dimensional approach to it.
One of the best examples would be FFXI. There is seriously enough content to keep a player - starting today - busy for the next 4 years - easily. That's not an exaggeration. People actively playing the game since it came out in the US 7 years ago still have entire areas of content they haven't touched yet. About 22 different activities, each of which is practically an entire game system unto itself. Yet there are people who will say "I played FFXI and it sucked because there's nothing to do but grind levels". Wrong. Truth is, all *they* did was grind levels. There was plenty more to do that they *chose* not to.
A restaurant can offer a buffet of 30 different items... It's not their fault if some customers refuse to eat anything but steak and potatoes. It's even worse if those people say "everything else in the buffet sucks" having hardly ever tasted any of it to know.
Of course, people seldom accept responsibility for their own decisions, especially when they're not happy with the results. It's much easier to blame someone else for one's poor choices and not have to deal with that whole nagging "personal accountability" thing.
FFXI is decidedly not a PvP MMO. While far from perfect (there's a lot of things about the game that make me think "WTF were they thinking?"), for me, all-around, it's the best MMO I've played. By *far* the best bang for the buck. And besides that, there are other MMOs I could enjoy as purely PvE MMOs as well.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
What a load of condescending, short-sighted crap. ... because that's an accurate and all-encompassing description of all MMO's without PvP, right?
... because you've "nailed" what anyone else enjoys PvE for, right?
-rolls eyes- Come on Agricola... I've read a lot of your posts and I know you're more intelligent than that. You're doing yourself a disservice posting such nonsense. You used to post consistently measured, well thought-out posts. Lately you've started sounding like a closed-minded Darkfall drone.
That said...
In answer to the question of this thread... Yes.
I can and do very well enjoy a MMO without PvP, if the PvE is well designed and well-executed. I don't know where this notion came from that a MMO needs PvP to be fun, but it's not my experience and I don't think it's true.
Despite Agricola's exaggerated description above, there is a lot more to do in a typical PvE MMO than just grind for uber gear. The thing is, there are many players who ignore most of the content and and consider getting to end game to raid over and over again for "phat lewt", to be the entire point of playing. That's not a design fault in the game, it's the result of those players' one-dimensional approach to it.
One of the best examples would be FFXI. There is seriously enough content to keep a player - starting today - busy for the next 4 years - easily. That's not an exaggeration. People actively playing the game since it came out in the US 7 years ago still have entire areas of content they haven't touched yet. About 22 different activities, each of which is practically an entire game system unto itself. Yet there are people who will say "I played FFXI and it sucked because there's nothing to do but grind levels". Wrong. Truth is, all *they* did was grind levels. There was plenty more to do that they *chose* not to.
A restaurant can offer a buffet of 30 different items... It's not their fault if some customers refuse to eat anything but steak and potatoes. It's even worse if those people say "everything else in the buffet sucks" having hardly ever tasted any of it to know.
Of course, people seldom accept responsibility for their own decisions, especially when they're not happy with the results. It's much easier to blame someone else for one's poor choices and not have to deal with that whole nagging "personal accountability" thing.
FFXI is decidedly not a PvP MMO. While far from perfect (there's a lot of things about the game that make me think "WTF were they thinking?"), for me, all-around, it's the best MMO I've played. By *far* the best bang for the buck. And besides that, there are other MMOs I could enjoy as purely PvE MMOs as well.
While I somewhat agree, let me build abit on your metaphor.
A restaurant might serve 30 different items, but if they all taste like chicken then what the hell is the point. That's the problem with PvE games in general in my opinion. It's 30 slightly different flavors of the exact same thing... and the reward? 30 slightly different flavors of the same thing.
And please give the reasons for your answers. Personally PVP has never been my cup of tea. It's not that i never tried, i just dont feel any sense of accomplishement fighting others peoples for what really ? Bragging rights ? There is already TONS of pvp game out there, mostly shooters, why does every MMO that comes out MUST have some sort of PVP in it ? Do you think we could have a succesful MMO without the PVP aspect ?
Well, then here is my question to you. What do you feel like you have accomplished by fighting an NPC? The NPC is not even close to being as smart or unpredictable as another player. Personally when I fight an NPC, i feel as though I have achieved nothing... at all, except the fact I have destroyed something that another human programmed in... that's it. It has no choices of what it does. It follows a direct path, and anyone can figure it out, even the people who aren't educated.
So really, no A strictly PVE game is a waste of money on an MMO, and i would rather go by an Xbox or a Playstation and play games on that then. There is no point of an MMO for such a thing.
Condescending? Short sighted? Perhaps. It's just my opinion of what PVE games do for me and how the experience is for me. I wasn't trying to pretend it's a universal truth or fact, just that it's my personal experience in PvE games. After all the question was "would you play a 100% PVE MMO?" and people were answering and giving their personal opinions.
Sorry that my opinion got people hot under the collar, I feel they're all a bunch of instanced button mashers that bore me shitless. Sorry about that but I'm not going to apologize or pretend it isn't true for me.
The last 2 years has been a plethora of PVE MMORPGs mostly under the guise of a PVP MMORPG. AoC = PvE CORPG. FE= PvE MMORPG, STO = PVE CORPG, WAR = PvE. The only ones that arwe true PvP MMORPGs in the last 2 years are DFO and MO. If you can turn off or avoid PVP then it isn't a PVP MMORPG. Safe zones and instances or consencial PvP = a PVE game with an option to PvP.
However that's just my opinion and I'm not saying anyone else is wrong, some people like instanced games where you play with a few friends to get some gear from a boss whilst mashing buttons. Fine, I don't but don't call me names because you disagree with my opinion please,
Agricola
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Untill they bring out a decent pvp game i will stay to FPS PVP games. I spent 6 months in Darkfall waiting for it to improve, untill i finally realise......this is how the game is meant to be! it's not going to get fixed as it's not broken. FFA PVP just has no real longterm pull for me. Darkfall would have been great if factions could be built etc but FFA seemed to just bring out the opposite.
If the game has changed i apologise as i have not been near it for 2 motnhs now.
I spent 7 years playing Everquest with no PVP and loved the game with a vengeance. If you could offer me that same type of game again then i would jump at a no PVP game.......Good luck with that though as i have been searching everywhere and still not found it Even though apparently most games are eq/wow clones! if so then why can't i find another EQ?
And please give the reasons for your answers. Personally PVP has never been my cup of tea. It's not that i never tried, i just dont feel any sense of accomplishement fighting others peoples for what really ? Bragging rights ? There is already TONS of pvp game out there, mostly shooters, why does every MMO that comes out MUST have some sort of PVP in it ? Do you think we could have a succesful MMO without the PVP aspect ?
sure if the pve combat is fun and group oriented like in cox
And please give the reasons for your answers. Personally PVP has never been my cup of tea. It's not that i never tried, i just dont feel any sense of accomplishement fighting others peoples for what really ? Bragging rights ? There is already TONS of pvp game out there, mostly shooters, why does every MMO that comes out MUST have some sort of PVP in it ? Do you think we could have a succesful MMO without the PVP aspect ?
Well, then here is my question to you. What do you feel like you have accomplished by fighting an NPC? The NPC is not even close to being as smart or unpredictable as another player. Personally when I fight an NPC, i feel as though I have achieved nothing... at all, except the fact I have destroyed something that another human programmed in... that's it. It has no choices of what it does. It follows a direct path, and anyone can figure it out, even the people who aren't educated.
So really, no A strictly PVE game is a waste of money on an MMO, and i would rather go by an Xbox or a Playstation and play games on that then. There is no point of an MMO for such a thing.
dont get me wrong mate but the uneducated part of your post is a little silly
Have you played many pvp games? the point is to grief you dont need any kind of education...heck even my son admits he does it to annoy players that complain...but then again he is only a kid so i can excuse him
And please give the reasons for your answers. Personally PVP has never been my cup of tea. It's not that i never tried, i just dont feel any sense of accomplishement fighting others peoples for what really ? Bragging rights ? There is already TONS of pvp game out there, mostly shooters, why does every MMO that comes out MUST have some sort of PVP in it ? Do you think we could have a succesful MMO without the PVP aspect ?
Well, then here is my question to you. What do you feel like you have accomplished by fighting an NPC? The NPC is not even close to being as smart or unpredictable as another player. Personally when I fight an NPC, i feel as though I have achieved nothing... at all, except the fact I have destroyed something that another human programmed in... that's it. It has no choices of what it does. It follows a direct path, and anyone can figure it out, even the people who aren't educated.
So really, no A strictly PVE game is a waste of money on an MMO, and i would rather go by an Xbox or a Playstation and play games on that then. There is no point of an MMO for such a thing.
dont get me wrong mate but the uneducated part of your post is a little silly
Have you played many pvp games? the point is to grief you dont need any kind of education...heck even my son admits he does it to annoy players that complain...but then again he is only a kid so i can excuse him
Let me explain this to you. My seven year old niece decided to hop on a WoW raid a few weeks ago, and actually lead the raid through text. This was her first time playing the game. Also, my 83 yeard old grandmother decided to purchase World of warcraft as well, yet seemingly to accomplish level 24 by day 3. It's not silly at all.
Has nothing to do with griefing. Obviously you play a game such as world of warcraft where that is meant to happen in the game. Games like Global Agenda as an example, a shooter of types none the less has nothing to do with that and IS pvp oriented.
so I'm not sure quite exactly your point here, because if you are talking about camping someones body mindlessly for hours, that really isn't PvP at all.. that's more .. well the game is unbalanced and no one has a shot at anything really unless you have so much time on your hands you decide to sit down and do nothing but play for a week.
I'm going to assume that the OP is specifically referring to PvP combat, rather than other elements of competitive play such as economic/political machinations and social-engineering.
Yes, I would definately play a game with no PvP combat.
I've always considered MMO PvP combat to be shallow, imbalanced and pointless. If I want to beat another player in a fight, I'll play an FPS or beat-em-up.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
Been playing MMOs for a long time, and its always (but not limited to) the PvP. I find PvE extremelly boring, and repetative, but thats just me.. I also enjoy all types of PvP, from RvR, to guild vs guild, to open PvP...
I see a lot of people complaining about 13 year olds dancing on their corpse (or some such) which i agree is a bit much, but i have found in my playtime, the elite PvE crowd just as repulsive. So you have extremes on both sides..
Absolutely I would, if it was a fun game. I hate PvP, I see no point in bashing on other players or being bashed on by other players, I just want to waste some time, kill some monsters and have fun.
I find that PvP tends to disrupt the balance of PvE when devs futilely try to balance both PvP and PvE aspects of the game. it usually ends up with both sides becoming very basic and bland, preventing truly unique class niches or skills from surfacing into gameplay for fear that it would disrupt balance in the other aspects of the game.
So a game without the ridiculousness of the above, yes please.
You know, before 9/11, other than the original UO , PVP was not popular at all other than FPS games. After 9/11 PVP suddenly rocketed and now is required in some fashion in all games.
We're ignoring the fact that a PvE only game would need GOOD PvE. No auto combat, no retarded AI, no scripted, predictable encounters. AND you need some goal aside from, grind levels, get phat lootz.
A good number of us only play PvP because we get insanely bored with crappy MMO PvE, where levels and gear are all that really matters. Fix this and I think a PvE only MMO is not only viable, but maybe a better option as far as long term community goes.
I think it is funny that people that only want pve want to seem to force pvp out of the game. There is no reason you can't have both in a healthy environment.
To say that pve isn't competitive btw isn't exactly true. PvE centric games tend to have some of the biggest: hey look what I have and you don't type poeple. It is competitive just in a different nature. You have the elitist crowds that love to stick it in your face.
The only difference IMO is I can't find a group of none elitists to go and kill them a few times to take them off their high horse. I also can't kill the griefers or spammers when I get sick of it either.
IMO, just because you have a PvE based games doesn't mean you aren't going to find A-holes and to be honest I have found more in WoW for the few years I played it then I have in DF for the few month that I have played it.
Both games chat is filler with crap the majority of the time I have seen. The last game I played that didn't have mass idiots spamming all the time didn't have a global chat.
So, while you may not be able to get ganked and looted in a pve game you still have to deal with the griefing, spamming, idiots, and have a hard time grouping/guilding/questing/keeping up unless you live in your game of choice and the real world is something rarely done when not logging on. Providing you aren't buying leveling or macroning.
Bottom line, there are no idiot proof games, none, pve just doesn't give you an option of kill them. But I suppose they you either but that, IMO, doesn't stop them from being there and trying to annoy the hell out of you.
The last 2 years has been a plethora of PVE MMORPGs mostly under the guise of a PVP MMORPG. AoC = PvE CORPG. FE= PvE MMORPG, STO = PVE CORPG, WAR = PvE. The only ones that arwe true PvP MMORPGs in the last 2 years are DFO and MO. If you can turn off or avoid PVP then it isn't a PVP MMORPG. Safe zones and instances or consencial PvP = a PVE game with an option to PvP.
AoC is a pvp mmo but since they made a pve server it can pass as pve but it still was supposed to be a pvp game.
FE as far as I know after the first sector to complete quests you need to enter maps were it's open for pk so no it's not a pve game.
Sto I don't call that an mmo but anyways yes you can win it here although star trek is not my cup of tea more with such a small game.
War is all about battlegrounds and to enter certain dungeons I heard from a friend you need to control some maps so it's pvp.
You play darkfall and if a game doesn't have ffa open world pvp and by open world I mean you can pk people everywere and let's exclude full looting you probably wouldn't call it a pvp game but they are just different types of pvp.
@ stux - so by your statments people that would prefer a game tha focuses more on the lore need to play pretty old games while people that just want to kill others can have new games? nice thinking..
I would also pay to play a 100% PvP MMO but only IF they could do it right. What hurts most PvP (and I lump First Person Shooters in this) is that they lack depth or reason to actually do it. On top of that, you CAN get people that cheat (exploit or hack) in many PvP type venues. Not all, just a select few, but those few ruin the experience for everyone else. Add to that the number of snot nosed twits that get their jollies offer talking smack during a match and I just don't care to get involved with PvP for long.
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Funny how some people say "whatever floats your boat" after completely belittling people who enjoy other game styles. Guess what chump? You think darkfall has any more meaning than some stupid themepark? It doesnt. They are all games. So get over yourself.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
What a load of condescending, short-sighted crap.
... because that's an accurate and all-encompassing description of all MMO's without PvP, right?
... because you've "nailed" what anyone else enjoys PvE for, right?
-rolls eyes-
Come on Agricola... I've read a lot of your posts and I know you're more intelligent than that. You're doing yourself a disservice posting such nonsense. You used to post consistently measured, well thought-out posts. Lately you've started sounding like a closed-minded Darkfall drone.
That said...
In answer to the question of this thread... Yes.
I can and do very well enjoy a MMO without PvP, if the PvE is well designed and well-executed. I don't know where this notion came from that a MMO needs PvP to be fun, but it's not my experience and I don't think it's true.
Despite Agricola's exaggerated description above, there is a lot more to do in a typical PvE MMO than just grind for uber gear. The thing is, there are many players who ignore most of the content and and consider getting to end game to raid over and over again for "phat lewt", to be the entire point of playing. That's not a design fault in the game, it's the result of those players' one-dimensional approach to it.
One of the best examples would be FFXI. There is seriously enough content to keep a player - starting today - busy for the next 4 years - easily. That's not an exaggeration. People actively playing the game since it came out in the US 7 years ago still have entire areas of content they haven't touched yet. About 22 different activities, each of which is practically an entire game system unto itself. Yet there are people who will say "I played FFXI and it sucked because there's nothing to do but grind levels". Wrong. Truth is, all *they* did was grind levels. There was plenty more to do that they *chose* not to.
A restaurant can offer a buffet of 30 different items... It's not their fault if some customers refuse to eat anything but steak and potatoes. It's even worse if those people say "everything else in the buffet sucks" having hardly ever tasted any of it to know.
Of course, people seldom accept responsibility for their own decisions, especially when they're not happy with the results. It's much easier to blame someone else for one's poor choices and not have to deal with that whole nagging "personal accountability" thing.
FFXI is decidedly not a PvP MMO. While far from perfect (there's a lot of things about the game that make me think "WTF were they thinking?"), for me, all-around, it's the best MMO I've played. By *far* the best bang for the buck. And besides that, there are other MMOs I could enjoy as purely PvE MMOs as well.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
While I somewhat agree, let me build abit on your metaphor.
A restaurant might serve 30 different items, but if they all taste like chicken then what the hell is the point. That's the problem with PvE games in general in my opinion. It's 30 slightly different flavors of the exact same thing... and the reward? 30 slightly different flavors of the same thing.
Well, then here is my question to you. What do you feel like you have accomplished by fighting an NPC? The NPC is not even close to being as smart or unpredictable as another player. Personally when I fight an NPC, i feel as though I have achieved nothing... at all, except the fact I have destroyed something that another human programmed in... that's it. It has no choices of what it does. It follows a direct path, and anyone can figure it out, even the people who aren't educated.
So really, no A strictly PVE game is a waste of money on an MMO, and i would rather go by an Xbox or a Playstation and play games on that then. There is no point of an MMO for such a thing.
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Condescending? Short sighted? Perhaps. It's just my opinion of what PVE games do for me and how the experience is for me. I wasn't trying to pretend it's a universal truth or fact, just that it's my personal experience in PvE games. After all the question was "would you play a 100% PVE MMO?" and people were answering and giving their personal opinions.
Sorry that my opinion got people hot under the collar, I feel they're all a bunch of instanced button mashers that bore me shitless. Sorry about that but I'm not going to apologize or pretend it isn't true for me.
The last 2 years has been a plethora of PVE MMORPGs mostly under the guise of a PVP MMORPG. AoC = PvE CORPG. FE= PvE MMORPG, STO = PVE CORPG, WAR = PvE. The only ones that arwe true PvP MMORPGs in the last 2 years are DFO and MO. If you can turn off or avoid PVP then it isn't a PVP MMORPG. Safe zones and instances or consencial PvP = a PVE game with an option to PvP.
However that's just my opinion and I'm not saying anyone else is wrong, some people like instanced games where you play with a few friends to get some gear from a boss whilst mashing buttons. Fine, I don't but don't call me names because you disagree with my opinion please,
Agricola
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Most definately.
Untill they bring out a decent pvp game i will stay to FPS PVP games. I spent 6 months in Darkfall waiting for it to improve, untill i finally realise......this is how the game is meant to be! it's not going to get fixed as it's not broken. FFA PVP just has no real longterm pull for me. Darkfall would have been great if factions could be built etc but FFA seemed to just bring out the opposite.
If the game has changed i apologise as i have not been near it for 2 motnhs now.
I spent 7 years playing Everquest with no PVP and loved the game with a vengeance. If you could offer me that same type of game again then i would jump at a no PVP game.......Good luck with that though as i have been searching everywhere and still not found it
Even though apparently most games are eq/wow clones! if so then why can't i find another EQ?
But that's another story
sure if the pve combat is fun and group oriented like in cox
(there was no pvp at the release of coh)
Well, then here is my question to you. What do you feel like you have accomplished by fighting an NPC? The NPC is not even close to being as smart or unpredictable as another player. Personally when I fight an NPC, i feel as though I have achieved nothing... at all, except the fact I have destroyed something that another human programmed in... that's it. It has no choices of what it does. It follows a direct path, and anyone can figure it out, even the people who aren't educated.
So really, no A strictly PVE game is a waste of money on an MMO, and i would rather go by an Xbox or a Playstation and play games on that then. There is no point of an MMO for such a thing.
dont get me wrong mate but the uneducated part of your post is a little silly
Have you played many pvp games? the point is to grief you dont need any kind of education...heck even my son admits he does it to annoy players that complain...but then again he is only a kid so i can excuse him
Well, then here is my question to you. What do you feel like you have accomplished by fighting an NPC? The NPC is not even close to being as smart or unpredictable as another player. Personally when I fight an NPC, i feel as though I have achieved nothing... at all, except the fact I have destroyed something that another human programmed in... that's it. It has no choices of what it does. It follows a direct path, and anyone can figure it out, even the people who aren't educated.
So really, no A strictly PVE game is a waste of money on an MMO, and i would rather go by an Xbox or a Playstation and play games on that then. There is no point of an MMO for such a thing.
dont get me wrong mate but the uneducated part of your post is a little silly
Have you played many pvp games? the point is to grief you dont need any kind of education...heck even my son admits he does it to annoy players that complain...but then again he is only a kid so i can excuse him
Let me explain this to you. My seven year old niece decided to hop on a WoW raid a few weeks ago, and actually lead the raid through text. This was her first time playing the game. Also, my 83 yeard old grandmother decided to purchase World of warcraft as well, yet seemingly to accomplish level 24 by day 3. It's not silly at all.
Has nothing to do with griefing. Obviously you play a game such as world of warcraft where that is meant to happen in the game. Games like Global Agenda as an example, a shooter of types none the less has nothing to do with that and IS pvp oriented.
so I'm not sure quite exactly your point here, because if you are talking about camping someones body mindlessly for hours, that really isn't PvP at all.. that's more .. well the game is unbalanced and no one has a shot at anything really unless you have so much time on your hands you decide to sit down and do nothing but play for a week.
www.roxstudiodesigns.com
I'm going to assume that the OP is specifically referring to PvP combat, rather than other elements of competitive play such as economic/political machinations and social-engineering.
Yes, I would definately play a game with no PvP combat.
I've always considered MMO PvP combat to be shallow, imbalanced and pointless. If I want to beat another player in a fight, I'll play an FPS or beat-em-up.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
I wouldn't even consider it really...
Been playing MMOs for a long time, and its always (but not limited to) the PvP. I find PvE extremelly boring, and repetative, but thats just me.. I also enjoy all types of PvP, from RvR, to guild vs guild, to open PvP...
I see a lot of people complaining about 13 year olds dancing on their corpse (or some such) which i agree is a bit much, but i have found in my playtime, the elite PvE crowd just as repulsive. So you have extremes on both sides..
Absolutely I would, if it was a fun game. I hate PvP, I see no point in bashing on other players or being bashed on by other players, I just want to waste some time, kill some monsters and have fun.
Played: UO, EQ, WoW, DDO, SWG, AO, CoH, EvE, TR, AoC, GW, GA, Aion, Allods, lots more
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Definitely.
I find that PvP tends to disrupt the balance of PvE when devs futilely try to balance both PvP and PvE aspects of the game. it usually ends up with both sides becoming very basic and bland, preventing truly unique class niches or skills from surfacing into gameplay for fear that it would disrupt balance in the other aspects of the game.
So a game without the ridiculousness of the above, yes please.
I play LOTRO and hardly touch monster play. Love the game too.
You know, before 9/11, other than the original UO , PVP was not popular at all other than FPS games. After 9/11 PVP suddenly rocketed and now is required in some fashion in all games.
We're ignoring the fact that a PvE only game would need GOOD PvE. No auto combat, no retarded AI, no scripted, predictable encounters. AND you need some goal aside from, grind levels, get phat lootz.
A good number of us only play PvP because we get insanely bored with crappy MMO PvE, where levels and gear are all that really matters. Fix this and I think a PvE only MMO is not only viable, but maybe a better option as far as long term community goes.
I think it is funny that people that only want pve want to seem to force pvp out of the game. There is no reason you can't have both in a healthy environment.
To say that pve isn't competitive btw isn't exactly true. PvE centric games tend to have some of the biggest: hey look what I have and you don't type poeple. It is competitive just in a different nature. You have the elitist crowds that love to stick it in your face.
The only difference IMO is I can't find a group of none elitists to go and kill them a few times to take them off their high horse. I also can't kill the griefers or spammers when I get sick of it either.
IMO, just because you have a PvE based games doesn't mean you aren't going to find A-holes and to be honest I have found more in WoW for the few years I played it then I have in DF for the few month that I have played it.
Both games chat is filler with crap the majority of the time I have seen. The last game I played that didn't have mass idiots spamming all the time didn't have a global chat.
So, while you may not be able to get ganked and looted in a pve game you still have to deal with the griefing, spamming, idiots, and have a hard time grouping/guilding/questing/keeping up unless you live in your game of choice and the real world is something rarely done when not logging on. Providing you aren't buying leveling or macroning.
Bottom line, there are no idiot proof games, none, pve just doesn't give you an option of kill them. But I suppose they you either but that, IMO, doesn't stop them from being there and trying to annoy the hell out of you.
I think Agricola1 deserves a great big Thank You for proving the point that "PvP brings out the worst in people".
I would play a 100% pve game.
I also agree with people that pvp hurts pve.
Balancing a game for pvp while ruining awesome pve specs is lame.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
I already do play a 100% PVE MMO - it's called LotRO.
And no, PvMP doesn't count - it's a mini-game, not part of the actual gameplay.
You guys know there are games out there wil basically NO pvp right?
Are you guys playing one of those games?
Like LoTRo or AC just to toss a few out there. I am sure there are plenty of others.
As opposed to PvE, where no one complains, no one labels anyone, and everyone holds hands while happily slaying the monsters?
ya right....
AoC is a pvp mmo but since they made a pve server it can pass as pve but it still was supposed to be a pvp game.
FE as far as I know after the first sector to complete quests you need to enter maps were it's open for pk so no it's not a pve game.
Sto I don't call that an mmo but anyways yes you can win it here although star trek is not my cup of tea more with such a small game.
War is all about battlegrounds and to enter certain dungeons I heard from a friend you need to control some maps so it's pvp.
You play darkfall and if a game doesn't have ffa open world pvp and by open world I mean you can pk people everywere and let's exclude full looting you probably wouldn't call it a pvp game but they are just different types of pvp.
@ stux - so by your statments people that would prefer a game tha focuses more on the lore need to play pretty old games while people that just want to kill others can have new games? nice thinking..
I would pay to play a 100% PvE MMO.
I would also pay to play a 100% PvP MMO but only IF they could do it right. What hurts most PvP (and I lump First Person Shooters in this) is that they lack depth or reason to actually do it. On top of that, you CAN get people that cheat (exploit or hack) in many PvP type venues. Not all, just a select few, but those few ruin the experience for everyone else. Add to that the number of snot nosed twits that get their jollies offer talking smack during a match and I just don't care to get involved with PvP for long.
Let's party like it is 1863!
Pretty old games?
Click > Game List > Date
Play those games. You will find a lot that FOCUS on PvE
D&D > LoTRo > Free Realms > Alganon > RoM > AO >
If you think those games are OLD well you just haven't been playing MMOs for to long.
Then of course you have the older games UO > AC > AO > GW >
Have you played all the games on the list?
How often DO you expect a NEW great MMO to be released?