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Ok, I give in. This game is bad IMO.
holdenhamlet
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Well, I gave this game as much benefit of the doubt as I possibly could, and did enjoy it for about a week, but now only a few weeks after release, I'm almost at level cap and I'm too bored with the game to bother logging in.
It seems Cryptic doesn't know how to make MMORPGs and continues to try to make extremely casual single player games with online elements. The game desperately needs a ton of group content injected into it, but it doesn't appear that Cryptic is even aware that that lack of group content is the biggest problem with the game.
Well, it was good for about 2 weeks or so, which is more than I can say for Aion. Shame really, just another unfinished MMOPRG released way too early that will never see it's potential achieved.
I predict total game failure in 6 months, the first MMORPG to die so quickly.
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sounds like somebody didnt bother to group, just because something doesnt force you to group doesnt mean it lacks challenging or fun group play.
also sounds like you didnt bother to pvp, you can pvp in space or ground or both if you like both, lots of hours to be spent grouping to whip pug ass.
Each to their own I guess, I find the game fantastic, been playing well over two weeks since beta and still love the action this game has to offer. Been grouping, PvPing the whol shootin match and I am almost to level cap. This game has amazing potential, we just have to wait and see what the devolpers add to the game, because now the real devolping starts.
Sounds like you're admitting to running out of new content to explore by the time you hit the level cap. It is yet another half-finished game by Cryptic. They don't understand that the game isn't supposed to "end" at the level cap. You are supposed to keep doing something, preferably that you have not done on your way to the level cap.
Look at any successful MMO that has been out for more than two years. What do people do with their characters at the level cap? Explore new things, like raid content and group content. I'm not saying STO should conform, but it certainly isn't trying to be a "real" MMO.
Yes there's grouping, but the grouping concept needs work as groups that are formed tend to get split up when entering the instances.This makes it really hard for fleets(guilds) trying to work together. Another issue, and this is a big one for me, is customer service. This is the worse customer service I have seen since SOE. They don't respond to tickets and the only time moderators chime in on the forums is for inconsequential stuff. This will sink an MMO just like any other business. Yes, they usually fix problems with the next patch, but at least send a "We saw your ticket" or something to that efffect so that people know they are being heard.
I'm enjoying myself, but the game, as well as the developers attitude, DOES need some work.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Sounds like you're admitting to running out of new content to explore by the time you hit the level cap. It is yet another half-finished game by Cryptic. They don't understand that the game isn't supposed to "end" at the level cap. You are supposed to keep doing something, preferably that you have not done on your way to the level cap.
Look at any successful MMO that has been out for more than two years. What do people do with their characters at the level cap? Explore new things, like raid content and group content. I'm not saying STO should conform, but it certainly isn't trying to be a "real" MMO.
You have to love this forum. If someone jumps in bashing STO, its all back-patting, high-fiving and butt slapping. But if someone actually likes the game, they get hit with a stick. Or rocks. Or both.
I'm glad you like the game Blank. I do as well. It seems as though everyone thinks that if you like this game, you must think it is flawless as well. I would have to say that most of us know that this game, like every other game, has flaws. Some people deal with those flaws better than others. As far as the game not ending at level cap, WoW didn't have dailies for, what, like 3 years? If you hit cap, you raided or re-rolled (yes, I understand how long it took to hit cap, took me 6 months to hit the big 6-0). Yes, there was more to do. You could run 5-mans all the time, killing the same things over and over. Oh wait, that is what is wrong with STO, killing the same things over and over. Let me see.......you could farm mats and craft. STO definitely doesn't have that option (and likely never will). Cryptic says the raid content is coming. Why was it not in at launch? As I've stated before, it's likely due to them being bastards. In the meantime, I'm killing stuff, delivering much needed supplies to colonies, discovering how the Klingons got their ridges back, finding out why the Hobus star went supernova and how it wiped out a system 500 light years away, tracking Undine and getting played by them, and whatever else comes my way. I'm enjoying the ride and I'll worry about cap when I hit it.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
Actually, it's not funny. I agree that there is a ton of hate being spewed on the official threads. From both sides.
I also agree that it appears the majority of people don't like the game in its current state of undoneness.
My point is, If someone here has the audacity to mention that they are enjoying the game, they get called everything but intelligent. Just because the idiots on the official threads like to show off their close-mindedness doesn't mean it should be happening. Not there, not here. We all have different opinions and each of us needs to understand that. What I like WILL be different than what you like.
Intelligent discussion will make the world a better place. Well, that or sharks with frickin laser beams on their heads.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
Major problem with this game is the name : Star Trek. This isnt Star Trek, it's most like Star Wars (Not the Georges Lucas SW), there is no "TREK" in this game, it's all combat and fighting. I dunno but last time i watch a Star Trek movie or series, it was not only about fighing wars against all the others races in the universe.
This reminds me of Matrix Online, they took 1 or 2 things from the movie and made the game about that and completly forgot all the other aspects. It's the same with this game, they removed the "TREK" and made a very average space ship combat MMO. Hey let's just put Starfleet Uniforms on the player and call it Star Trek ........ NO.
see i tried those things when i played it for 2 weeks and you know what, they were nowhere near enough. the group content at the higher levels are boring imo. They arent very well designed at all. Also the pvp in space was teh only pvp i liked because ground combat is horrible in this game imo. How long am i only supposed to play pvp since its the only thing i find fun about the game. This game wasnt constructed well at all, even for casual gameplay. There is no meat and potatoes!
There is not way this game will die out that quickly. It has sold too many copies for that to happen. Look at Crime Craft, it didn't sell a 1/10 of what STO has sold and it's still operation. STO is a bad MMO in my view as well but it's going to be around for quite some time. Cryptic will just dump money into it to keep it from being a total failure.
Momo sucks, I have proof.
The game does suck imo. Thank god for beta tests because I would have forked out the money for this game if their wasnt. Either way Cryptic got a pretty big cash grab for STO and will continue to have a loyal following just because its named Star Trek online. I talked to my buddy on the phone last night and he sounded like someone who just grinded 5 toons to max level in WOW lol.
Actually, it's not funny. I agree that there is a ton of hate being spewed on the official threads. From both sides.
I also agree that it appears the majority of people don't like the game in its current state of undoneness.
My point is, If someone here has the audacity to mention that they are enjoying the game, they get called everything but intelligent. Just because the idiots on the official threads like to show off their close-mindedness doesn't mean it should be happening. Not there, not here. We all have different opinions and each of us needs to understand that. What I like WILL be different than what you like.
Intelligent discussion will make the world a better place. Well, that or sharks with frickin laser beams on their heads.
We all have our opinions, but the difference is, you are wrong.
Well, of course you can't really be wrong about your personal preferences, but its this aspect that drives the PVP aspect of forum posting. Its not about intelligent discussion at all, its about emotional diatribes by two opposing sides each trying to convince themselves as well as others that their taste in games is the best.
But back on topic, its pretty clear that for every person who likes STO, 3 will jump on and disagree. Doesn't mean these forums are representative of the greater gaming community (though they are much closer to it than people think IMO) but overall it sure doesn't look like Cryptic has a run away hit on their hands here.
Which is a shame really, considering how legendary the IP is.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I wouldn't count on the "fans", either. True to form, they are already abandoning ship. If you've paid any attention to the official forums, most of the most vociferous advocates of the game, who were allowed to run roughshod over anyone with a complaint (legitimate or otherwise), have suddenly fallen silent. Like the rats they emulate, they quietly scampered off to the escape pods in search of another beta to champion.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II
"People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
What he said!
It's not the game's main problem, but it's pretty far up there on the list. Aside from the fact that you don't have meaningful, challenging group content, the missions are almost ridiculously pushed towards combat. Every even remotely related contact to alien races comes down to "Defeat Tzanakara Raider Squadrons 0/5". Whether you deactivate sattelites, scan asteroids, probe dust clouds or examine anomalies, you can be dead sure some bunch of not bypassable kill on sight ships circle the object you wanna scan.
There's no 'neutral' stance either, every NPC in this game is either attack on sight or friendly. The game especially punches Star Trek in the face when they want to come up with conflicts between peoples.
Like: The Irikandians live in an area with rich ore ressources, the Ztzikilians send ships to rogue-mine the ore. So you come in as Starfleet, the U.N.esque peace, prosperity and stability for the galaxy force and what do you do? - Gank through the asteroid belt blazing phasers and murder any Ztzikilian ships that pop up. You don't disable them, you don't negotiate, you don't even hail them. All you do is get in range and blow them up. All ore thieves brought to rightful justice. Death. End of story; Problem solved.
Some day Roddenberry will rise from his grave, enter Cryptic and you bet their whole staff is in for a world of pain.
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see i tried those things when i played it for 2 weeks and you know what, they were nowhere near enough. the group content at the higher levels are boring imo. They arent very well designed at all. Also the pvp in space was teh only pvp i liked because ground combat is horrible in this game imo. How long am i only supposed to play pvp since its the only thing i find fun about the game. This game wasnt constructed well at all, even for casual gameplay. There is no meat and potatoes!
That's an interesting statement about the PvP...I was wondering the same. 3 of My Guildies have been playing STO since launch and always seem to be PvPing when I pop into their Channel. I've played SWG and LOTRO with these guys and they've never been big PvPer's...I'd say on average they would PvP 10-20% of their Gaming time...I just assumed they were running out of things to do...And even though I cancelled My Sub already to that borefest I'm still a bit surprised it's that thin...
I know this much...If Cryptic loses any of those 3 (My Guidies) the Game has ZERO chance long-term because they were about as geeked up as any Trekie can get at Launch...One of them was asking Me about AoC last night...We'll see I guess...
I wouldn't count on the fans, either. True to form, they are already abandoning ship. If you've paid any attention to the official forums, most of the most vociferous advocates of the game, who were allowed to run roughshod over anyone with a complaint (legitimate or otherwise), have suddenly fallen silent. Like the rats they emulate, they quietly scampered off to the escape pods in search of another beta to champion.
Yea I tend to agree with you. I think Trekkies are an intelligent bunch and that cryptic overestimated their loyalty to a bad game. They will not get nickel and dimed and they will not stick around if cryptic treatd them like they treated their CO fanbase. They have lived through many sad trk games in the past and they will move on from this one as well.
sounds exactly like the Champions Online reviews. sad sad sad :-(
Actually, it's not funny. I agree that there is a ton of hate being spewed on the official threads. From both sides.
I also agree that it appears the majority of people don't like the game in its current state of undoneness.
My point is, If someone here has the audacity to mention that they are enjoying the game, they get called everything but intelligent. Just because the idiots on the official threads like to show off their close-mindedness doesn't mean it should be happening. Not there, not here. We all have different opinions and each of us needs to understand that. What I like WILL be different than what you like.
Intelligent discussion will make the world a better place. Well, that or sharks with frickin laser beams on their heads.
We all have our opinions, but the difference is, you are wrong.
Well, of course you can't really be wrong about your personal preferences, but its this aspect that drives the PVP aspect of forum posting. Its not about intelligent discussion at all, its about emotional diatribes by two opposing sides each trying to convince themselves as well as others that their taste in games is the best.
But back on topic, its pretty clear that for every person who likes STO, 3 will jump on and disagree. Doesn't mean these forums are representative of the greater gaming community (though they are much closer to it than people think IMO) but overall it sure doesn't look like Cryptic has a run away hit on their hands here.
Which is a shame really, considering how legendary the IP is.
Well said good sir. Bravo.
It is unfortunate that the game didn't turn out the way everyone had hoped / wished / believed / dreamed it would (not unfortunate for me because I like it). For everyone one of us who thought player-crew would be teh suk, there are probably ten who wanted them. For every one of us who thought a game centered on diplomacy would be boring, five more wanted only that (I would like a few more non-pew pew missions though). Cryptic made the game they wanted (stop the conspiracies otherwise), and banked on us geeks following lock-step. Ooops.
Maybe someday the game will be closer to what the "majority" of people wanted and they will give it a second chance. Maybe.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
I see Steam and other download vendors have the game's two versions reduced by $10 this weekend. Not even two weeks... not a good sign for sure. If I bought the game prior to this I'd be rather upset by it.
Momo sucks, I have proof.
see i tried those things when i played it for 2 weeks and you know what, they were nowhere near enough. the group content at the higher levels are boring imo. They arent very well designed at all. Also the pvp in space was teh only pvp i liked because ground combat is horrible in this game imo. How long am i only supposed to play pvp since its the only thing i find fun about the game. This game wasnt constructed well at all, even for casual gameplay. There is no meat and potatoes!
That's an interesting statement about the PvP...I was wondering the same. 3 of My Guildies have been playing STO since launch and always seem to be PvPing when I pop into their Channel. I've played SWG and LOTRO with these guys and they've never been big PvPer's...I'd say on average they would PvP 10-20% of their Gaming time...I just assumed they were running out of things to do...And even though I cancelled My Sub already to that borefest I'm still a bit surprised it's that thin...
I know this much...If Cryptic loses any of those 3 (My Guidies) the Game has ZERO chance long-term because they were about as geeked up as any Trekie can get at Launch...One of them was asking Me about AoC last night...We'll see I guess...
Yeah.... I highly doubt that. The retention of just those three players means nothing in the long-run. And, unless you have some mystical crystal ball stashed somewhere, you don't know what improvements or changes Cryptic will make to STO in the future.
I might also be in the minority here, but I am still liking the game (of course I am a trek fan since TOS thanks to my father) since the late 70s. However I am not a power gamer when it comes to mmorpg's to reach level cap or end game. The game still needs some work no doubt, but I am still having fun with my online friends that play it too.
I think there is a problem with how fast you lvl here yes. Im now commander, which means only two ranks to go. And im not gaining lvls slower, but faster now because i can do missions alot faster with my new ship and the xp needed to lvl up doesnt seem to increase that much.
Also im not really playing that much, not even every day, and i do take my time. I would say at my current pace it will take me about 2-3 more weeks to max my char. Maybe add 2 weeks to get absolute top equipment and get teh perfect BO setup. So if there is no significant content in about 4-6 weeks i will ... roll another fed toon to explore the STO universe as another career(im staying away from escorts with my current one), which will probably only take half aslong since i already will know the ins and outs.
After that i will probably go klingon, who are hopefully fleshed out atleast somewhat by then. Lets call it another 4 weeks. After that even my ungodly patience(im still regularly playing DoW Soulstorm singleplayer campaign, and i got it on release) will become tired and i will probably get bored without a endgame in place by then. So cryptic has about 12-14 weeks from my side to create something to do with our max lvl chars, cause my plan will max out my charslots so i dont even have the option of rerolling even if i wanted.
- waaaay too many instances and loading screens
- there is absolutely no world immersion feeling
- despite on big space and whatnot I felt like playing a single player game
- ground combat visualy and technicaly looks like a crap, and is boring like hell
- the whole game way too repeative
- non friendly IU, especially map section with missing quest markers and stuff
- the klingon side is unfinished, nothing to do except again repeative pvp.
- no skill respec
- skill cap
- the micropayments (now Klingons nd Ferengly, but I can bet there will be much more + respec too I guess0
- too complicated skill system - I really wish to know what exactly I'm picking to skill up. e.g. Field Theory +5, wth it does? this game need serious tooltips, without it, only devs know what such skill can do. And thats not only for skill system window, many items has weird variables.
- no autofire on all weapons in space, and no autofire at all in ground combat
- the game is unfinished and I refuse to be a betatester and pay for it at same time
- GM never repllied to any of my ticket
- Gold spammers even in the game mail system....
The above was what TTom at the Cryptic STO forums posted for their reason for canceling their subscription. That particular thread was closed, though I couldn't see any reason given ... In any case, many of the reasons above are valid, even though some of them are seem to be also venting frustration. I have also cancelled and a lot of the reasons are above. For example:
So, for me, I think I agree about "Ok, I give in.", and I though I wouldn't necessarily say the "game is bad", but maybe "in amongst the stuff I like there is a lot that really annoys me"
see i tried those things when i played it for 2 weeks and you know what, they were nowhere near enough. the group content at the higher levels are boring imo. They arent very well designed at all. Also the pvp in space was teh only pvp i liked because ground combat is horrible in this game imo. How long am i only supposed to play pvp since its the only thing i find fun about the game. This game wasnt constructed well at all, even for casual gameplay. There is no meat and potatoes!
That's an interesting statement about the PvP...I was wondering the same. 3 of My Guildies have been playing STO since launch and always seem to be PvPing when I pop into their Channel. I've played SWG and LOTRO with these guys and they've never been big PvPer's...I'd say on average they would PvP 10-20% of their Gaming time...I just assumed they were running out of things to do...And even though I cancelled My Sub already to that borefest I'm still a bit surprised it's that thin...
I know this much...If Cryptic loses any of those 3 (My Guidies) the Game has ZERO chance long-term because they were about as geeked up as any Trekie can get at Launch...One of them was asking Me about AoC last night...We'll see I guess...
Yeah.... I highly doubt that. The retention of just those three players means nothing in the long-run. And, unless you have some mystical crystal ball stashed somewhere, you don't know what improvements or changes Cryptic will make to STO in the future.
I don't have a crystal ball admittedly...But I've seen enough failures in this genre to understand if a Game has long range potential. And I'm not an idiot...I realize those 3 Subs specifically will not make or break the Game...Thanks for pointing that out to me though...Is your Captain's name Capt Obvious? But I'm telling you those 3 are a pretty good case study for the long-term potential of this Game...So doubt it all you want...
And perhaps I should clarify what I meant by long-term. I have no doubt STO will be around in some capacity, but what it will be is yet another nitche-Game-ghost-town unless they REALLY pick up the pieces fast...I sat in the Channel with those 3 all night last night...It was bug this, and crash that, and one complaint after another...i don't think they even realize it to be honest cause they are so busy TRYING to have fun...But it does not sound like much fun to me...I'm not saying they don't like certain things about the Game...I'm just saying they are MAJOR ST nerds, I mean HUGE nerds (I say that jokingly of coarse to make a point), and they would play just about anything with the ST label on it...I'm telling you if Cryptic can't please those 3 this Game has zero chance to be anything meaningful long-term cause they are going to be FAR more lenient than the average Customer...
BTW, You have no idea what Cryptic is going to do either. And from what I can gather their reputation is not exactly the greatest...And based on that totally unofficial Poll running right now on the STO Forums they are going to lose about 30% of Subs March 2nd (anyone wondering why the Game is on sale already?)...And another 30% are unhappy, but will re-up for at least one more Month...So you do the math...Like I said...We'll see...
Edit: There is a saying, the greatest fans are the hardest to please. I think it applies to your 3 friends
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AoC got two things going for it: state of the art GFX and innovative melee combat. All STO got is customizability, which they just reused from Champions Online, it has no other redeeming quality or potential, none.
And for the record AoCs instances are MUCH larger than STOs so it feels a little bit like a world.
How is that for irony? A game based on medieval fantasy world is larger than a game based on the vastness of space.
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