"The whole term MMO is objective, and opinion based. I see a ton of people playing the same game, with everyone able to group or talk or otherwise it is an MMO, if people sit and goto different servers that only allow under like 100 people at a time, then it is not an MMO which is also furthered by other factors.
End point, the term does not have a universal meaning, it is all based on opinion, and taste."
Wrong.
MMO stands for something.
It stands for "massive multiplayer online"
Battlefield 1942 when it came out supported 64 players on the map at once.
Was that classified as an mmo like the mmo's of its time?
"The whole term MMO is objective, and opinion based. I see a ton of people playing the same game, with everyone able to group or talk or otherwise it is an MMO, if people sit and goto different servers that only allow under like 100 people at a time, then it is not an MMO which is also furthered by other factors. End point, the term does not have a universal meaning, it is all based on opinion, and taste."
Wrong. MMO stands for something. It stands for "massive multiplayer online"
Battlefield 1942 when it came out supported 64 players on the map at once. Was that classified as an mmo like the mmo's of its time? No. It was a multiplayer game. STO falls into the same catagory.
I am so happy you think massive means one thing and one thing only. MMO is an objective, opinion based term, what you think is massive, or an RPG, another may deem otherwise. Telling me I am wrong is well, wrong. I didn't lash out at your opinion, even though the opinion is that my opinion is wrong and the term means one thing and 1 thing only. I am sorry you feel that way and live in your own world where it is your way or no way. MMO is not only about population, it is a number of factors that I look at to consider a game to be an MMO. If you feel differently, more power to ya, but just like you won't change my opinion I won't change yours and that goes further to show that at the end of it all IT IS AN OPINION.
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"The whole term MMO is objective, and opinion based. I see a ton of people playing the same game, with everyone able to group or talk or otherwise it is an MMO, if people sit and goto different servers that only allow under like 100 people at a time, then it is not an MMO which is also furthered by other factors.
End point, the term does not have a universal meaning, it is all based on opinion, and taste."
Wrong.
MMO stands for something.
It stands for "massive multiplayer online"
Battlefield 1942 when it came out supported 64 players on the map at once.
Was that classified as an mmo like the mmo's of its time?
No.
It was a multiplayer game.
STO falls into the same catagory.
I am so happy you think massive means one thing and one thing only. MMO is an objective, opinion based term, what you think is massive, or an RPG, another may deem otherwise. Telling me I am wrong is well, wrong. I didn't lash out at your opinion, even though the opinion is that my opinion is wrong and the term means one thing and 1 thing only. I am sorry you feel that way and live in your own world where it is your way or no way. MMO is not only about population, it is a number of factors that I look at to consider a game to be an MMO. If you feel differently, more power to ya, but just like you won't change my opinion I won't change yours and that goes further to show that at the end of it all IT IS AN OPINION.
Exactly. They don't understand that "Massive" is a subjective term. It means many things to many different people. It is highly unlikely that two random individuals would come up with the same figure as what makes something "massive". Which is why there is no hard set players limit that makes a multiplayer game an MMO or not.
The fact of the matter is, STO, despite it being an instanced game, it has all the social makings of an MMORPG. Everyone in the same zone, despite whatever instance they are in, can talk to each other via zone chat. Everyone in the game, despite whatever faction they are, can trade with one another via the Exchange. Mail can be sent to anyone that the sender wants to send the mail to. It has the same social situations that other MMORPG's have. Yet the anti-STO crowd wants to only focus on the instances, which are a subjective negative, and claim that these make STO "not an MMO". Yet, as I have proven, they are wrong.
This site should be www.mog.com to shut everyone up.
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I have decided because of this thread that I will now call ALL games with a lobby and multiplayer mode....MMORPGs. This will now include Diablo 2, yup....it's now going to be deemed an MMO to me....GW, Neverwinter Nights, STO, CrimeCraft, Global Agenda....uhm, let's see...what other silliness can I add to this.....
Massive is NOT an "objective" (I think SUBjective is the word) term when it comes to games. Unless you want to also say that RPG, RTS, and FPS are also subjective terms. We could call Fallen Earth an FPS....I mean you CAN use guns in it, you CAN play it in first person. Is Gunz an MMO? Yup, I think so! We could call Puzzle Pirates an MMORPG (you're sort of role playing a pirate, and it IS listed here on the games list)....oh wait....Pogo.com is now going to be called an MMO. I mean....you can pack a LOT of people into one of those java game chat rooms, AND...you're also playing it online at the same time with 100s of thousand of other people, they're just all in different mini games than you, which is SORT of like instancing.... you're all playing together, online, at the same time!
This topic has become just utterly idiotic. If people want to consider "massive" (when you're talking about GAMES) to be subjective....we may as well call ANY GAME that you can play with 16 people massive, because to me (subjectively)....that's a LOT of people to sit and play a GAME with! I usually only play Go Fish with TWO people, so to ME, 16 to 40 is MASSIVE!
/rolls eyes
If it's up to individual people to determine what "massive" means in terms of games....there are REALLY a lot of MMOs that aren't listed on this site. Also...if we're going to consider it a subjective term....ANYONE's definition of massive works. So mine, from now on, is that any game you play with 16 or so people (up to say, idk....40)...is massive. That's MY new definition of MMO. And it can't be wrong, since "massive" is, after all....subjective.
So now I will begin my crusade to get Pogo listed as an MMO with lots of in game mini-games. The Pogo.com community is awesome too....we all have our own customizable avatars, we have achievements, and I can play with any number of the hundreds of thousands that are online playing at the same time as I am, we're just limited to like 40 people in an "instance" at a time. I can talk to anyone that is online playing Pogo.com...all I have to do is message them. The fact that we can't leave the mini games and go "run around" in a game world together doesn't matter, I don't suppose.....
I think most FPS games are also MMOs, actually then. CoD, Tribes, wait....HABBO HOTEL is an MMO, too! People can even come over to "visit" my house! Faunasphere is another new MMORPG! VERY cool game too, with real time chat, and you can group and develop your character and everything, and yet now they have made it playable even on Facebook.
Wow....all of a sudden I realize just how very many MMOs I have to choose from!! Perhaps the genre isn't going to hell in a hand basket after all! And oh yeah....Mafia Wars...one of the best MMORPGs EVAAAR! (Okay, maybe that one's pushin' it since you can't actually "chat" with the other players, but I imagine by now you get my point.)
No....massive is NOT a subjective term when it comes to GAMES. There has always been a standard idea of what "massive" meant. Yes, it's been rather loosely defined, BUT....how ridiculous are we willing to get with it? Apparently only time will tell.
No....massive is NOT a subjective term when it comes to GAMES. There has always been a standard idea of what "massive" meant. Yes, it's been rather loosely defined, BUT....how ridiculous are we willing to get with it? Apparently only time will tell.
Yes, "massive" is a subjective term. And, despite what you keep stating, it is also subjective with MMORPG's.
You all keep stating that there is some golden rule as to what population number qualifies a multiplayer game to become "massive". Yet, you will not provide evidence to back up this rule. Hmmm.... I wonder why...
No....massive is NOT a subjective term when it comes to GAMES. There has always been a standard idea of what "massive" meant. Yes, it's been rather loosely defined, BUT....how ridiculous are we willing to get with it? Apparently only time will tell.
Yes, "massive" is a subjective term. And, despite what you keep stating, it is also subjective with MMORPG's.
You all keep stating that there is some golden rule as to what population number qualifies a multiplayer game to become "massive". Yet, you will not provide evidence to back up this rule. Hmmm.... I wonder why...
Because it's NOT a SPECIFIC number, it's common fucking SENSE. That is why no one gives some hard and fast RULE. Common sense will tell any normal person that massive, by the very definition of the word in common language, does not mean 50 people in a lobby or 16 that you can actually play with at the same time. That's not "massive." My neighborhood has 10 times more people than that, and it's not, by any stretch of the imagination what anyone would refer to as "massive."
When we have neighborhood block parties....no one says, "OMG...it was MASSIVE!" Puhleeease.
The reason most of us are arguing the point, is because of the sheer lack of common sense in using a word like MASSIVE to describe something that falls so entirely short of warranting use of such a word......
Main Entry: mas·sive
Pronunciation: ?ma-siv
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English massiffe, from Anglo-French mascif, alteration of massiz, from Vulgar Latin *massicius, from Latin massa mass
Date: 15th century
1 : forming or consisting of a large mass: a : bulky b : weighty, heavy <massive walls> <a massive volume> c : impressively large or ponderous d : having no regular form but not necessarily lacking crystalline structure <massive sandstone>
2 a : large, solid, or heavy in structure <massive jaw> b : large in scope or degree <the feeling of frustration, of being ineffectual, is massive — David Halberstam> c (1) : large in comparison to what is typical <a massive dose of penicillin> (2) : being extensive and severe <massive hemorrhage> <massive collapse of a lung> (3) : imposing in excellence or grandeur : monumental <massive simplicity>
3 : having mass <a massive boson>
— mas·sive·ly adverb
— mas·sive·ness noun
I'm sorry, but if, in this day of technology the small numbers that some people are referring to as MASSIVE, fit the above letters in green.....you all have ridiculously low expectations.
No....massive is NOT a subjective term when it comes to GAMES. There has always been a standard idea of what "massive" meant. Yes, it's been rather loosely defined, BUT....how ridiculous are we willing to get with it? Apparently only time will tell.
Yes, "massive" is a subjective term. And, despite what you keep stating, it is also subjective with MMORPG's.
You all keep stating that there is some golden rule as to what population number qualifies a multiplayer game to become "massive". Yet, you will not provide evidence to back up this rule. Hmmm.... I wonder why...
Because it's NOT a SPECIFIC number, it's common fucking SENSE. That is why no one gives some hard and fast RULE. Common sense will tell any normal person that massive, by the very definition of the word in common language, does not mean 50 people in a lobby or 16 that you can actually play with at the same time. That's not "massive." My neighborhood has 10 times more people than that, and it's not, by any stretch of the imagination what anyone would refer to as "massive."
Typical. Just focusing on instancing without acknowledging that players can interact with others of the same zone regardless of what instance they are in. This is especially true with all the social hubs and sector space. Therefore, these constraints from instancing are not a big issue if you would actually look at the big picture when it comes to social settings in STO.
Oh, and thank you for proving my claim that there are no actual hard set population numbers that determine the MMO status of multiplayer games.
When we have neighborhood block parties....no one says, "OMG...it was MASSIVE!" Puhleeease.
The reason most of us are arguing the point, is because of the sheer lack of common sense in using a word like MASSIVE to describe something that falls so entirely short of warranting use of such a word......
Main Entry: mas·sive
Pronunciation: ?ma-siv
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English massiffe, from Anglo-French mascif, alteration of massiz, from Vulgar Latin *massicius, from Latin massa mass
Date: 15th century
1 : forming or consisting of a large mass: a : bulky b : weighty, heavy <massive walls> <a massive volume> c : impressively large or ponderous d : having no regular form but not necessarily lacking crystalline structure <massive sandstone>
2 a : large, solid, or heavy in structure <massive jaw> b : large in scope or degree <the feeling of frustration, of being ineffectual, is massive — David Halberstam> c (1) : large in comparison to what is typical <a massive dose of penicillin> (2) : being extensive and severe <massive hemorrhage> <massive collapse of a lung> (3) : imposing in excellence or grandeur : monumental <massive simplicity>
3 : having mass <a massive boson>
— mas·sive·ly adverb
— mas·sive·ness noun
k... "massive" is still subjective. So, I don't see the purpose of you giving the definition of "massive".
I'm sorry, but if, in this day of technology the small numbers that some people are referring to as MASSIVE, fit the above letters in green.....you all have ridiculously low expectations. Gotcha... you hate instancing.
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"The whole term MMO is objective, and opinion based. I see a ton of people playing the same game, with everyone able to group or talk or otherwise it is an MMO, if people sit and goto different servers that only allow under like 100 people at a time, then it is not an MMO which is also furthered by other factors.
End point, the term does not have a universal meaning, it is all based on opinion, and taste."
Wrong.
MMO stands for something.
It stands for "massive multiplayer online"
Battlefield 1942 when it came out supported 64 players on the map at once.
Was that classified as an mmo like the mmo's of its time?
No.
It was a multiplayer game.
STO falls into the same catagory.
I am so happy you think massive means one thing and one thing only. MMO is an objective, opinion based term, what you think is massive, or an RPG, another may deem otherwise. Telling me I am wrong is well, wrong. I didn't lash out at your opinion, even though the opinion is that my opinion is wrong and the term means one thing and 1 thing only. I am sorry you feel that way and live in your own world where it is your way or no way. MMO is not only about population, it is a number of factors that I look at to consider a game to be an MMO. If you feel differently, more power to ya, but just like you won't change my opinion I won't change yours and that goes further to show that at the end of it all IT IS AN OPINION.
Owner/Admin of GodlessGamer.com - Gaming news and reviews for the godless.
I am so happy you think massive means one thing and one thing only. MMO is an objective, opinion based term, what you think is massive, or an RPG, another may deem otherwise. Telling me I am wrong is well, wrong. I didn't lash out at your opinion, even though the opinion is that my opinion is wrong and the term means one thing and 1 thing only. I am sorry you feel that way and live in your own world where it is your way or no way. MMO is not only about population, it is a number of factors that I look at to consider a game to be an MMO. If you feel differently, more power to ya, but just like you won't change my opinion I won't change yours and that goes further to show that at the end of it all IT IS AN OPINION.
Exactly. They don't understand that "Massive" is a subjective term. It means many things to many different people. It is highly unlikely that two random individuals would come up with the same figure as what makes something "massive". Which is why there is no hard set players limit that makes a multiplayer game an MMO or not.
The fact of the matter is, STO, despite it being an instanced game, it has all the social makings of an MMORPG. Everyone in the same zone, despite whatever instance they are in, can talk to each other via zone chat. Everyone in the game, despite whatever faction they are, can trade with one another via the Exchange. Mail can be sent to anyone that the sender wants to send the mail to. It has the same social situations that other MMORPG's have. Yet the anti-STO crowd wants to only focus on the instances, which are a subjective negative, and claim that these make STO "not an MMO". Yet, as I have proven, they are wrong.
it's bigger than most games - massive
you can play with friends - multiplayer
it's played on the internet - online
trekkies love to RP - RPG
yup it's an mmorpg
This site should be www.mog.com to shut everyone up.
Currently Playing: Fallen Earth
Played and liked: TCOS, Vanguard, Guild Wars, DDO
Played and didn't like: CO, MO, STO, DF, AoC, WAR, WoW, EQ2, EVE, most f2p
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, Secret World
I have decided because of this thread that I will now call ALL games with a lobby and multiplayer mode....MMORPGs. This will now include Diablo 2, yup....it's now going to be deemed an MMO to me....GW, Neverwinter Nights, STO, CrimeCraft, Global Agenda....uhm, let's see...what other silliness can I add to this.....
Massive is NOT an "objective" (I think SUBjective is the word) term when it comes to games. Unless you want to also say that RPG, RTS, and FPS are also subjective terms. We could call Fallen Earth an FPS....I mean you CAN use guns in it, you CAN play it in first person. Is Gunz an MMO? Yup, I think so! We could call Puzzle Pirates an MMORPG (you're sort of role playing a pirate, and it IS listed here on the games list)....oh wait....Pogo.com is now going to be called an MMO. I mean....you can pack a LOT of people into one of those java game chat rooms, AND...you're also playing it online at the same time with 100s of thousand of other people, they're just all in different mini games than you, which is SORT of like instancing.... you're all playing together, online, at the same time!
This topic has become just utterly idiotic. If people want to consider "massive" (when you're talking about GAMES) to be subjective....we may as well call ANY GAME that you can play with 16 people massive, because to me (subjectively)....that's a LOT of people to sit and play a GAME with! I usually only play Go Fish with TWO people, so to ME, 16 to 40 is MASSIVE!
/rolls eyes
If it's up to individual people to determine what "massive" means in terms of games....there are REALLY a lot of MMOs that aren't listed on this site. Also...if we're going to consider it a subjective term....ANYONE's definition of massive works. So mine, from now on, is that any game you play with 16 or so people (up to say, idk....40)...is massive. That's MY new definition of MMO. And it can't be wrong, since "massive" is, after all....subjective.
So now I will begin my crusade to get Pogo listed as an MMO with lots of in game mini-games. The Pogo.com community is awesome too....we all have our own customizable avatars, we have achievements, and I can play with any number of the hundreds of thousands that are online playing at the same time as I am, we're just limited to like 40 people in an "instance" at a time. I can talk to anyone that is online playing Pogo.com...all I have to do is message them. The fact that we can't leave the mini games and go "run around" in a game world together doesn't matter, I don't suppose.....
I think most FPS games are also MMOs, actually then. CoD, Tribes, wait....HABBO HOTEL is an MMO, too! People can even come over to "visit" my house! Faunasphere is another new MMORPG! VERY cool game too, with real time chat, and you can group and develop your character and everything, and yet now they have made it playable even on Facebook.
Wow....all of a sudden I realize just how very many MMOs I have to choose from!! Perhaps the genre isn't going to hell in a hand basket after all! And oh yeah....Mafia Wars...one of the best MMORPGs EVAAAR! (Okay, maybe that one's pushin' it since you can't actually "chat" with the other players, but I imagine by now you get my point.)
No....massive is NOT a subjective term when it comes to GAMES. There has always been a standard idea of what "massive" meant. Yes, it's been rather loosely defined, BUT....how ridiculous are we willing to get with it? Apparently only time will tell.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
Well it WOULD fit the games list better, that's for sure. They'd just have to add a lot more games to the list.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
Because it's NOT a SPECIFIC number, it's common fucking SENSE. That is why no one gives some hard and fast RULE. Common sense will tell any normal person that massive, by the very definition of the word in common language, does not mean 50 people in a lobby or 16 that you can actually play with at the same time. That's not "massive." My neighborhood has 10 times more people than that, and it's not, by any stretch of the imagination what anyone would refer to as "massive."
When we have neighborhood block parties....no one says, "OMG...it was MASSIVE!" Puhleeease.
The reason most of us are arguing the point, is because of the sheer lack of common sense in using a word like MASSIVE to describe something that falls so entirely short of warranting use of such a word......
Main Entry: mas·sive
Pronunciation: ?ma-siv
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English massiffe, from Anglo-French mascif, alteration of massiz, from Vulgar Latin *massicius, from Latin massa mass
Date: 15th century
1 : forming or consisting of a large mass: a : bulky b : weighty, heavy <massive walls> <a massive volume> c : impressively large or ponderous d : having no regular form but not necessarily lacking crystalline structure <massive sandstone>
2 a : large, solid, or heavy in structure <massive jaw> b : large in scope or degree <the feeling of frustration, of being ineffectual, is massive — David Halberstam> c (1) : large in comparison to what is typical <a massive dose of penicillin> (2) : being extensive and severe <massive hemorrhage> <massive collapse of a lung> (3) : imposing in excellence or grandeur : monumental <massive simplicity>
3 : having mass <a massive boson>
— mas·sive·ly adverb
— mas·sive·ness noun
I'm sorry, but if, in this day of technology the small numbers that some people are referring to as MASSIVE, fit the above letters in green.....you all have ridiculously low expectations.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
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How many of these "MMO" or " RPG" or even (God forbid" "MMORPG's"
ADVERTSE ...........
on www.MMORPG.COM ????
Hey - I pay £1000.00 a month in a trade mag to get an article in same magazine pushing what ever I am selling that month....
and you think these guys are any different ???
Because it's NOT a SPECIFIC number, it's common fucking SENSE. That is why no one gives some hard and fast RULE. Common sense will tell any normal person that massive, by the very definition of the word in common language, does not mean 50 people in a lobby or 16 that you can actually play with at the same time. That's not "massive." My neighborhood has 10 times more people than that, and it's not, by any stretch of the imagination what anyone would refer to as "massive."
Typical. Just focusing on instancing without acknowledging that players can interact with others of the same zone regardless of what instance they are in. This is especially true with all the social hubs and sector space. Therefore, these constraints from instancing are not a big issue if you would actually look at the big picture when it comes to social settings in STO.
Oh, and thank you for proving my claim that there are no actual hard set population numbers that determine the MMO status of multiplayer games.
When we have neighborhood block parties....no one says, "OMG...it was MASSIVE!" Puhleeease.
The reason most of us are arguing the point, is because of the sheer lack of common sense in using a word like MASSIVE to describe something that falls so entirely short of warranting use of such a word......
Main Entry: mas·sive
Pronunciation: ?ma-siv
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English massiffe, from Anglo-French mascif, alteration of massiz, from Vulgar Latin *massicius, from Latin massa mass
Date: 15th century
1 : forming or consisting of a large mass: a : bulky b : weighty, heavy <massive walls> <a massive volume> c : impressively large or ponderous d : having no regular form but not necessarily lacking crystalline structure <massive sandstone>
2 a : large, solid, or heavy in structure <massive jaw> b : large in scope or degree <the feeling of frustration, of being ineffectual, is massive — David Halberstam> c (1) : large in comparison to what is typical <a massive dose of penicillin> (2) : being extensive and severe <massive hemorrhage> <massive collapse of a lung> (3) : imposing in excellence or grandeur : monumental <massive simplicity>
3 : having mass <a massive boson>
— mas·sive·ly adverb
— mas·sive·ness noun
k... "massive" is still subjective. So, I don't see the purpose of you giving the definition of "massive".
I'm sorry, but if, in this day of technology the small numbers that some people are referring to as MASSIVE, fit the above letters in green.....you all have ridiculously low expectations. Gotcha... you hate instancing.