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Mourning - is it a scam?
horvathi
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First of all, I've pre-ordered Mourning, but I've doubts now.
The author of that thread I refer to raised some very valid issues, not in any hostile manner either, on the contrary. But the answers he got...well, they are rude, and they don't provide any relief for those with concerns.
read below:
http://www.realmsoftorment.net/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=16978
What are your opinions?
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If it was a scam... The people who get sued, by A LOT of people lol.
~Greatness~
Currently Playing:
Nothing
Why you people preorder this early is beyond me...
@Greatness:
hm...seems to me you did not really understand the issue at hand.
I'll try to give you a short rundown and explanation what the guy was talking about:
They are getting in heaps of credit card data. If (IF!!) they'd decide to charge a nice amount onto all cards and go away, by the time anyone could raise any alarms or sue them - they'll not be able to. One can disappear very quickly not to be find offline - especially in eastern europe.
Now, they don't have too much proof anywhere that they'd be in any advanced status with the game - which should be released in a few weeks! No news, no recent screenshots, no offline contacts, nobody have seen any of the game yet....so...basicall no-one knows any real facts so far!
@aeric67 :
you may be right, but still, I was expecting a bit of thought given to the subject, gentlemen...
think, don't just type, please! :-)
To everybody:
I'd rather like to see opinions, mature ones if possible.
~Greatness~
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Ok let's close this part of the discussion here, you either don't, or dont *want* to understand it.
Sorry mate, it's not that simple as you seem to think.
Thanks for the mature, intelligent post....you really use your mind, don't you...just not too often...
Who the heck knows if its a scam or not. My opinion? I dont think it is.
What i do think is that im sick of these threads. There have already been a few for Mourning about this. Please dont start an entirely new thread on a subject that already has multiple threads. Personally im sick and tired of people asking whether every new game coming out is a scam or not.
If you think its a scam, dont pre-order. Thats not that hard. Very simple to do in fact.
Thanks for the opinion.
The thread is already started, so it's a bit late to ask for not to start it ;-)
The don't pre-order option is good, but it does not satisfy my need for information.
You know, the game is very promising - or more like the promises about it are very promising :-)
Therefore I'm very interested in the outcome just as any (real) opinions.
The promlem is that it seems no-one has any real, well-founded opinion, not to mention some insider info - anywhere. So I stick to gathering views and opinions on the matter - just for the fun of seeing how people think. Interesting to see how many don't think at all - not just here. All over the world. ;-)
i dunno about this, but i was having contact with the lead designer(we talked to eachother on several occasions thru email) a couple of months ago cuz i sent him a nice reply after somehow i got sent that preorder shit; i told him not to send me spam....i called them out on it, this game might be bullshit, and if it is, interpol is going to have to get invovled, or maybe the game is just under tight wraps
btw, the lead designer seemed like an asshole too, but i may have provoked him....
http://mmorpg.com/discussion.cfm/load/forums/loadforum/522/loadthread/34369/setstart/1/loadclass/180
If it is, which I think there is a good chance it might be, that sucks for the thousands of people who ordered it. Something people have to realize is if it is a scam they aren't going to be charged $30 or however much preorder is, it will be hundreds or thousands. Now you might be saying your CC company will close it down and get the money back, and I ask you: How? If someone has stolen $1000 from you, is your credit card company (who is in this FOR profit) going to say something along the lines of "Sorry to hear that sir, here is your $1000 and your new CC number," or will it be more like "Well, that sucks."
I think the later.
Also, they would be able to track them down? Doubtful. One can dissapear very easily, scan the Mourning site; Are there any addresses? Offline contacts? pictures of the Devs?
Lets just say I had a friend who was willing to drive me to a port, and a friend with a boat willing to sail me to some 3rd world country for some cash. Now, out of curiosity, where would these faceless men max the cards? In Romania or their destination? How long do you think it would take the people to realize that they are getting ripped off, a day? a week? A month? sure they would have to stick around in Romania for a little while to recieve the assets, but then again, who will be recieving the stuff? Limitless Horizons Entertainment, the people who are actually making Mourning? Could it be sent to some random unoccupied house in Romania? And then, who are they chasing again? Oh yeah Dan Antonescu. What did he look like again? Or, wait, is that even his real name? Who knows....
It is easy for someone to dissapear, especially when noone is looking for him.
But then again, I might be retarded.
The reason I think it is a scam is because recently anyone who pre-ordered and canceled their order was banned. Some didnt even say anything on the boards and they were banned for canceling their order.
They have the credit card information so what do they need with the customer?
I was one of the ones banned which is sad because most people considered me a fanboi, i stuck up for the game's features. Now although the features are semi-new the people running the show seem to be ruthless dictators that will ban for no appearent reason. So if this game isnt a scam and it does go retail I wont be playing, mainly because of the fact that I could do one simple little thing that the dev's dont like, even pk someone and they will ban me.
Whats the reason to play a game where you die or could be banned so easily... it just makes no sence
Mourning is not a scam. I personally know some of the people at NewRoSoft and actually had entry into the alpha. It was buggy, needed help graphically, and hardly anyone was running around in it, but the world and character creation system were there.
People love to gossip about scams and let their brains go off into weird places. It was never a scam, just an incredibly hard thing to bring together - as all MMOs are.
Anyone who keeps bringing up "Mourning is a scam" is either a childish drama queen or has little self-restraint. You wont decide this issue on a forum board...so dont tarnish someone's business this way.
Go post something good now to fix your karma.
I have played the game in the last 30 days. the world is there, the characters are there, the items are there, the magic system is there, the combat system is there, the NPC's are there, tradeskills are there and so on and so on.
The game is real. It sucks and is not remotely close to what they said it was going to be for the last 2 years, but its there.
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Malianea
Some of you really show your ignorance and anger within this thread.
First off credit card billing doesn't work like you have chosen to describe and if you had a credit card other than your mommies you would know that.
When you place an order with a Credit Card for anything you might purchase, funds don't instantly change hands. It is a long complex procedure designed to protect the consumer as wll as the credit card company.
IF a vendor is established and verified as a reputable vendor it takes between 30 and 45 days for him to receive payment for services billed. This delay is to allow the consumer to receive their statement, examine the purchases, and contest any erroneous charges.
Now with un-established, non-verified vendors, on-line business, overseas activity, fraud hotspots, payment can take from 60-90 days.
On top of this, your purchases are closely monitored and your spending habits are tracked and form a database on you. Most credit card companies run your purchases thru an automated system that red flags unusual purchases for voice confirmation. If you have a pattern of spending $50 a month online, and suddenly you have a single purchase for $500 quess who is going to be giving you a call. However there is an exception to this , and a reason that credit card fraud increases on the holidays.
Lets take this even a step further, I have a Discover, Visa, Mastercard, and an American Express. EVERY card I have provides insurance against credit card fraud or theft. On Visa, Discover, and Mastercard I am not liable for any charges I don't make. With American Express I believe Im not liable after the first $100. Kinda like having a $100 deductible on my insurance.
I'm not sure the last poster understands credit cards either... you can be charged immediately, insurance doesn't hold your money for you it reimburses you, that in it self suggest money has changed hands.
Also consider bankruptcy, if they file chapter 11 you can't claim damages once that is filed... so really if a company wanted to pull this the day before you're supposed to get it, you would be screwed. Raad some eula's (although there is a lot of talk about how legally binding these truly are)... they make no promise to continue to provide the service in most of them to keep you from suing when they cancel a game.
Do I think this game is a scam? no.
Do I think the people making this game are nazis more concerned with policing a forum and showing their L337 powers? yes
Do I think they've wrapped themselves in a bubble of fanboys and girls, buying into their own hype on their tightly controlled forums? yes
Do I think they've fallen greatly behind in making this game and will release what I consider to be an alpha stage? yes
Read the interview mentioned in the news section of this site... They haven't even fully implemented a magic system or a lot of other game defining features...
We have been groomed by publishers to have expectations on games upon release and professionalism of the staff running and developing said game. But think about it... where is it written they can't use 2d graphics (look at some of the screenshots involving walls)? Where is it written they can't release a game in an alpha build and charge money for it?
Scam? no
Pile of unprofessional crap? yes
For evidence of this read the forums especially the lead developer... interesting reading for sure.
riight because everytime i make an overseas purchase it takes 30-90 days for me to be billed on my DEBIT card... no credit involved so no ones fronting the bill there... it's deducted the next business day, no such evaulation period you describe for every mmorpg I've ever played as far as it comes with billing.
It may be great fun for you to call everyone angry and ignorant without looking at your "airtight" argument. Yes with a credit card money is a little more fluid about whos money it truly is at that moment of purchase (its really the credit cards company, they bill you later with interest for this service). But when it comes to a debit card, you have no credit whatsoever, it is your money (or if you want to get technical the banks money credited to you).
But I'm sure youll take this information in great stride calling me all your grown up names and showing mw your intelligence with phrases like WTF....
Even if I'm totally wrong on the credit stuff, you didn't even adress if they file chapter 11... of course by your explaination no money changes hands for at least a month so wed all be in the clear...
But I can assure you that would be incorrect, only legal action taken before the filing of chapter 11 would be valid, tis the law. So regardles of credit card misunderstandings if this was a scam, if they wanted to take the money and run they could because you can't say you didn't authorize the transaction on the preorder, or the game if it goes live.. unles you lied.
So your attempt (I think) to make people feel better about a scam has that major flaw.
Bust out the insults at your convienence.
I never said anything about DEBIT cards jerkoff, I specidfically said CREDIT cards. HUGE difference.
Nice attempt at twisting your argument around looking for a way out of your own stupidity.
MOST, I won't say all because I have only worked for 3 of them, but MOST credit cards work very hard to protect the consumer.
When you purchase an item with a credit card, you are spending the lenders money., and they are very careful about how you do that.
When you purchase an item with a debit card, you are basically making a cash purchase. A FEW Debit cards offer some limited protection, but none of them offer the consumer protection of companies like CHASE, CITIBANK, and DISCOVER offer thier credit card holders.
Unfortunately there can be no conclusion in matter like this... Until the facts speak for themselves. Only opinoins can be offered it is up to you personally to decide what the meaning on all of this is. I have stated what I think as clearly as I can in previous posts, so I won't bother rehashing it.
But at the very least, do NOT preorder this game! In my opinion you are taking an unnecesary risk in doing so... If everything is above board and legitimate here, if they release a game that is not an alpha (the first build games go through before they even beta test) build, if they can handle customer service in a manner better then they handle their forums...
Then by all means buy the game. I suggest caution no matter what side you take on the issue.
call yur credit card company or bank and tell them to cancel that shit and maybe drop a dime on them; meaning ask yur bank/cc company to check them out...
preordering a online game w/o playing it seems silly and reckless=P especially from these guys
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