Developer SquareEnix has expressed confidence that its forthcoming PlayStation 3 and PC MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV will be able to given even World of Warcraft a run for its money. The Japanese firm's president Yoichi Wada has told Develop that it will be aiming to learn from its experience with Final Fantasy XI, its first massively multiplayer online title, to make the new game even better. Among the changes it will be looking to make are the addition of more optional downloadable items and weapons to purchase, as he feels that Final Fantasy XI did not have enough. The developer is also looking to make it easier for gamers to locate and join the parties of other players of a similar skill level. Mr Wada said that Activision's hugely popular World of Warcraft represented "tough competition" for its game, but stated his belief that the new Final Fantasy will be a "serious rival". Fans of the franchise will also be looking forward to Final Fantasy XIII, the new single-player adventure which launches for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in March.
You could literally copy/paste the Aion interview and you couldn't tell the difference between the two. The only thing this game has going for it is the "Final Fantasy". Unless they make a game that is accessible and easy to play like WoW I don't see this game going anywhere except down the same path as its predecessor.
You could literally copy/paste the Aion interview and you couldn't tell the difference between the two. The only thing this game has going for it is the "Final Fantasy". Unless they make a game that is accessible and easy to play like WoW I don't see this game going anywhere except down the same path as its predecessor.
They have not put out so much information yet, Vanafest 2010 this weekend should change that.
Its quite normal for a game in development not to reveal details that could get changed several times in the course of development.
The graphics alone will make your jaw drop though, if you have the gear for it.
After playing FFXIV, Wow will look like ancient cave paintings
If there is no PvP in FFIV, it will already lose its long term appeal to a lot of players.
All massively played games on the internet are about PvP. And certainly include the option to have one.
From WoW to CoD series, Counter Strike, EVE, Battlefield, you name it.
Lotro would have tripled its player base if they had included a 2 way faction play.
Graphics don't mean a thing in gameplay btw. Look at Pokemon.
Only long term playing value accounts for success in an MMO and you simply can't keep up with PVE alone or fancy graphics or a "cool" setting (whatever that may be in a Fantasy game in which we have seen it ALL).
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
I have to agree with Camp on this one . If FFXIV offers no PVP option it wont appeal to a lot of players . Although the majority of players in Warcraft seam to prefter the PVE side of the game . Its all about offering the public what they want without PVP you immediatly turn off a lot of players . It wont put me off playing this because I've always loved the FF series of games . What it may mean though is that I wont stay in it once I've experianced a few months of the endgame content . I guess its a matter of wait and see again , these potential WoWkillers come up once or twice every year and obviously have come to nothing . It does'nt mean eventually a game will come along that will offer some serious competition to WoW . I'm just not sure that this or even the new StarWars game will be it .
If I were to hazard a guess at a game that could really hurt Warcraft . It would have to be by a company like Bethsheba Softworks that have a great track record with single player rpgs . I hear rumours that they are developing not one but two mmorpgs . I'd hazzard a guess that they would be Elder Scrolls and Fallout .
Its only a matter of time till someone gets it right .
ROFL, he must have a big one to say that. This whole animestyle thingy isnt big, at least not as big as in asia. Wankers stealing everything from the japs, such thiefs. Now China is growing while Japan have to rely on robots.
Let us hope FFXIV will turn out good and not a total rip off. Japs are good at thinking in their own way, so I firmly believe it won't be "like the others". Or? Am I just wishing? Im half jap myself.
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Sadly even MMO developers start to look at WoW as an example of what an MMORPG "should be".
WoW was a definite success story for any developer. Remember, developers are making a game ultimately for the sake of making more money than spent, and WoW was the ideal outcome for any MMORPG company. However, does that means WoW is the perfect MMORPG from a player's perspective?. I do not think so, but WoW did show that accessibility and popular lore matters to the success of a MMORPG. Of course lets not forget the dedicated Blizzard fans who support it, and Blizzard does have the track record prove that it was worthy of such large scale fandom from the massively popular games they have released even before WoW.
In the developer's eyes, WoW was probably the best type of success any MMORPG can hope for. However, whether that is a good trend or not remains to be seen. Since if all MMORPG developers only aim for success similar to WoW, the MMO game diversity and ingeniuity will likely suffer a serious blow as the developers stop looking at entertainment and simply focus on what will make a large amount of players fork over their money for as long as possible.
Well its not likely that ffxiv will be a big contender, but we will see. last i checked, SE said that ffxi had 2 million accoutns oened world wide, so thats pretty impressive. I dotn know who has higher then that on a p2p game.
Also, i see alot of people in here saying in order to compete with WOW, you have to copy there style. I think this is wrong. how many games have already tried this and hasnt doen it at all?? In order to beat WOW you will have to be trully next gen and different from it.
Just from reading the title of this thread, the first thought that went through my head was "duh." FFXIV is 2010, WOW is using a 2000 or earlier mmo engine. FFXIV will be on PS3, 360, AND PC. WoW is restricted to computers and PS3s with linux/windows emulators.
That being said, I don't see the playerbase of WoW, which consists, on a world-wide level, primarily of CHINESE, flocking to a JAPANESE-MADE Game. Also, on the other side of the world, the main playerbase of WOW is not the type of player, generally, that enjoys games like FFXI/ soon to release FFXIV. WOW is the penultimate Theme-Park MMO. The players don't really care much about story or balance as long as they have their version of fun. The games that need to worry are ones with a similar playstyle and quality equal to the final fantasy series. Those games are LOTRO, Aion, and other similar games that reward time invested as opposed to money spent. If WOW has one game to worry about stealing its playerbase, which consists primarily of chinese and children, it would be Guild Wars 2, due to the extremely similar playstlyle of the planned sequel, and the fact that they will have much less red tape to get through in China.
In short, FFXIV should not be compared to WOW because FFXIV will not be the same type of game. It will have a playerbase (outside of China) that will be higher than WOW's, however WOW will continue to have tons of "paper-stats" due to the way MMOs are run in China. The actual money they get from those hourly-times in China is ziltch. They get a flat amount from the local operator as well as "e-peen" for operating a game in china, which by the way, WOW is not the highest market share in China. It would more than likely be a game such a Dragon Oath or Perfect World, with over 10m in China alone last year.
TLDR for WOW players: Don't compare quality work like the FF Franchise to Warcraft, it insults true RPG players and makes you look bad.
^^ even though i agree completely with what you aid, we all know when time comes for reviews and talk of the game, purely becuase its an MMO everyone and their grandmother will be comparing its "sucsess" to WoW. everything will be compared to from gameplay style to finacial sucsess. It kind of pisses me off but i know it will happen.....but either way as long as the game is great in my eyes and we have enough people to fill out some servers, i dont give a rats ass how many subs they have compared to WoW.
@Camp11111: True there is no PVP in FF14 at "Launch" but they do plan to add it in there, they are taking a smart approach by bringing the game to its waiting fans earlier and then adding in elements of the game and content via patches at later points. WoW does this and it works well, I am pretty sure that I read about FFXIV talking about not relying on expansions so much to bring out new stuff for the game like FF11 did. There will still be expansions but will be spread out moreso and there will be free DLC coming out via patches probably every couple of months.
I hope its not a rival to WoW. I hope its more of a rival to FFXI.
If its a rival to WoW, FFXIV will suck IMO, just like WoW, just like the wow clones, and all the other WoW rivals. SE has carved out their niche group of players with FFXI which is 500k strong, trying to rival wow could land them far less.
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all i can say is wow thats pretty ironic that people state that an mmo with out PVP focus will faill when XI being released in 2002 has lasted at least 8 years with very little pvp content (added a few years after launch as a fun event and kept). then still others claim that there needs to be a wow killer, look wow was fine but every time i have picked it up it was easy mode, lack of a "real" storyline (yes i know there was storyline in wow but it had no meaning because who stoped to read the quests when there was so many "trash" quests in the mix) XI on the other hand had a rich story line that was not needed to pick up to get by on a dayly basis but made that part of the game shine out as a golden gem.
now all that aside XI was massivly differant from most mmo's out there for a few reasons,
1) massivly PVE/ Community based game play , XI's PVE wasmassive when you zoned (yes back in the day we has zones not a seemless) to a new area the scope of that area was like a wave of awe. but when you figured out that that ep you cant solo any more and you need a party to go on thats where FFXI either made its fans or lost them. you needed a party in XI to get things done thats promoted a community that has as i see it beaten out all the others. XI players developed tight nit communities in the game some in the forms of guilds but even if you where in such n such guild you still had a network of contacts that knew who you where and how good/bad you played this made and broke people, if you couldnt get along people whouldnt play with you. (thats what we call "balance")
2) static Avatars, you could have more than one char but it was typical to have one "main" and multiple gear "mules" if SE learned from that and allows a greater inventory max or a better way of holding on to gear for differant char classes (as gear now defines your class as i understand it for XIV) then this should stay the same.
Thanks for the comments. Yes I hope FFXIV doesn't have any PvP it would ruin the genre of the series, FF has always been about cooperation.
I think FFXIV will be as successful as FFXI, and that would be pretty damn good for any game. And I think of success as good gameplay and community, not how many subs it gets.
I think FFXIV will be as successful as FFXI, and that would be pretty damn good for any game. And I think of success as good gameplay and community, not how many subs it gets.
I agree with you Frey, I see success in the same way, however still a business, so I'm hoping it works both ways. Lots of players and a good community. There is so much potential in this game to be breathtaking, and I really, really hope it does do just that.
I remember reading a dev's interview on BG's forums a few years back about how they never really envisioned people leveling more than 2 or 3 jobs at most. This lead to the whole inventory overload issue in XI directly. For the life of me i cannot find the article now, but what i'm getting at is, i think they have a better grasp at what an MMO today requires. On the other hand, we've seen time and time again that sometimes they miss on the obvious.
I remember reading a dev's interview on BG's forums a few years back about how they never really envisioned people leveling more than 2 or 3 jobs at most. This lead to the whole inventory overload issue in XI directly. For the life of me i cannot find the article now, but what i'm getting at is, i think they have a better grasp at what an MMO today requires. On the other hand, we've seen time and time again that sometimes they miss on the obvious.
2-3 jobs.. I still laugh at that with my full level 75 jobs. They underestimated just how much of a loser I am in real life, and I got a maat's cap to prove it.... *crys in corner* Of course the last 5 jobs from the expansions didn't count for the cap anyways but I still leveled them. Even dancer. (Call me a fag if you want, I can care less since it is a good but under estimated job)
However, FFXI really isn't as long or grindy as some people think in terms of leveling. Once you get a hang of it (take a little while but not that bad) and some good friends and a decent LS. You can more or less power through some contents at relatively fast speed once you know what you are doing and do it with people that does well or at least you enjoy hang around with.
On the other hand, I find that nothing in FFXI was more fun than using the power, knowledge, and experience I gotten to help a fellow player, since FFXI is really more of that type of game. Even though I thoroughly dispise the 50 cap quest in the early days (damn the drop rate on the papyrus before patch) but still have done it many many time. I think that really sets apart what FFXI was compare to other games. Always someone needing help, and providing it was more fulfilling than killing Gods, HNM, and well anything. However, that is just my own little self gratificating way for playing FFXI.
If there is no PvP in FFIV, it will already lose its long term appeal to a lot of players. All massively played games on the internet are about PvP. And certainly include the option to have one. From WoW to CoD series, Counter Strike, EVE, Battlefield, you name it. Lotro would have tripled its player base if they had included a 2 way faction play. Graphics don't mean a thing in gameplay btw. Look at Pokemon. Only long term playing value accounts for success in an MMO and you simply can't keep up with PVE alone or fancy graphics or a "cool" setting (whatever that may be in a Fantasy game in which we have seen it ALL).
I thought I heard there was some sort of PvP in XIV just like the ballista in XI. But even if they don't have that form of PvP I'm sure a decent amount of people will play. XI has held its subs of 500k for years now, why? Because it has its own following of people that like to group up together all the time. Most other games have less subs than it because they are all basically solofest quest grinders like WoW is and everyone is already playing WoW.
Yes graphics don't mean everything, but if SE can pull off great graphics and gameplay then that does mean something. IMO when XIV comes out it will be the best graphics surpassing AoC, and its said the game world is open as well. I have no doubt that SE will deliver with a different and enjoyable gameplay for me at least. It just all depends if people are willing to step out of their comfort zones and try out a more slower, strategic combat style. If they do it could become a very successful game.
If there is no PvP in FFIV, it will already lose its long term appeal to a lot of players. All massively played games on the internet are about PvP. And certainly include the option to have one. From WoW to CoD series, Counter Strike, EVE, Battlefield, you name it. Lotro would have tripled its player base if they had included a 2 way faction play. Graphics don't mean a thing in gameplay btw. Look at Pokemon. Only long term playing value accounts for success in an MMO and you simply can't keep up with PVE alone or fancy graphics or a "cool" setting (whatever that may be in a Fantasy game in which we have seen it ALL).
I thought I heard there was some sort of PvP in XIV just like the ballista in XI. But even if they don't have that form of PvP I'm sure a decent amount of people will play. XI has held its subs of 500k for years now, why? Because it has its own following of people that like to group up together all the time. Most other games have less subs than it because they are all basically solofest quest grinders like WoW is and everyone is already playing WoW.
Yes graphics don't mean everything, but if SE can pull off great graphics and gameplay then that does mean something. IMO when XIV comes out it will be the best graphics surpassing AoC, and its said the game world is open as well. I have no doubt that SE will deliver with a different and enjoyable gameplay for me at least. It just all depends if people are willing to step out of their comfort zones and try out a more slower, strategic combat style to become a very successful game.
I would like to see how FFXIV pan out as a MMORPG really. Since judging from the systems they implemented it is still hard to see how it would reach FFXI's level of complexity. However, nothing to do other than wait sadly.
You could literally copy/paste the Aion interview and you couldn't tell the difference between the two. The only thing this game has going for it is the "Final Fantasy". Unless they make a game that is accessible and easy to play like WoW I don't see this game going anywhere except down the same path as its predecessor.
They have not put out so much information yet, Vanafest 2010 this weekend should change that.
Its quite normal for a game in development not to reveal details that could get changed several times in the course of development.
The graphics alone will make your jaw drop though, if you have the gear for it.
After playing FFXIV, Wow will look like ancient cave paintings
Yeah, because Graphics are everything in a MMORPG, right? Why not just have glorified hentai/porn slide-shows. You can dress up in a pretty dress and prance around in make believe land, but I'd rather bank on gameplay.
Most mmorpgs I've played wouldn't know pvp if it fell from the sky and crushed their house. Hence, even if the new Final Fantasy mmo has pvp it won't be factional (too much work to make different sides with races!)....it will be some childish arena event or whatnot ala Champions Online or other Asian grinder models paint brushed with the mediocrity that so many mmorpgs are saturated with.
Might have fun pve. Though I doubt that as well considering the last pve experience I had where the player base was separated by elitest players and then..the rest of us. Secondly, the fact that I'd kill worms in the starter areas then larger worms that looked the same as the starter ones would have different names yet really still be the same mob lol.
Developer SquareEnix has expressed confidence that its forthcoming PlayStation 3 and PC MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV will be able to given even World of Warcraft a run for its money. The Japanese firm's president Yoichi Wada has told Develop that it will be aiming to learn from its experience with Final Fantasy XI, its first massively multiplayer online title, to make the new game even better. Among the changes it will be looking to make are the addition of more optional downloadable items and weapons to purchase, as he feels that Final Fantasy XI did not have enough. The developer is also looking to make it easier for gamers to locate and join the parties of other players of a similar skill level. Mr Wada said that Activision's hugely popular World of Warcraft represented "tough competition" for its game, but stated his belief that the new Final Fantasy will be a "serious rival". Fans of the franchise will also be looking forward to Final Fantasy XIII, the new single-player adventure which launches for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in March.
No, it won't rival World of Warcraft because Blizzard fanboys only want to play one type of game. A game like FFXIV requires WAY too much brain power than their little peanut-minds can handle.
Yes, I know, because everyone knows that a person can't play both Final Fantasy and World of Warcraft, because then that would make sense and us neanderthal can't grasp the concept that we can actually enjoy both! I must've been in an alternate reality when I played FFXI For 2 years and WoW since Feb of 2005.
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Developer SquareEnix has expressed confidence that its forthcoming PlayStation 3 and PC MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV will be able to given even World of Warcraft a run for its money. The Japanese firm's president Yoichi Wada has told Develop that it will be aiming to learn from its experience with Final Fantasy XI, its first massively multiplayer online title, to make the new game even better. Among the changes it will be looking to make are the addition of more optional downloadable items and weapons to purchase, as he feels that Final Fantasy XI did not have enough. The developer is also looking to make it easier for gamers to locate and join the parties of other players of a similar skill level. Mr Wada said that Activision's hugely popular World of Warcraft represented "tough competition" for its game, but stated his belief that the new Final Fantasy will be a "serious rival". Fans of the franchise will also be looking forward to Final Fantasy XIII, the new single-player adventure which launches for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in March.
No, it won't rival World of Warcraft because Blizzard fanboys only want to play one type of game. A game like FFXIV requires WAY too much brain power than their little peanut-minds can handle.
Yes, I know, because everyone knows that a person can't play both Final Fantasy and World of Warcraft, because then that would make sense and us neanderthal can't grasp the concept that we can actually enjoy both! I must've been in an alternate reality when I played FFXI For 2 years and WoW since Feb of 2005.
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Yeah, and people claim to play both EVE and STO and enjoy them both.
I don't believe them either.
But yours isnt such a stretch, FFXI is a PVE centric game, and at its heart, so is WOW so the two types are pretty compatible.
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You could literally copy/paste the Aion interview and you couldn't tell the difference between the two. The only thing this game has going for it is the "Final Fantasy". Unless they make a game that is accessible and easy to play like WoW I don't see this game going anywhere except down the same path as its predecessor.
They have not put out so much information yet, Vanafest 2010 this weekend should change that.
Its quite normal for a game in development not to reveal details that could get changed several times in the course of development.
The graphics alone will make your jaw drop though, if you have the gear for it.
After playing FFXIV, Wow will look like ancient cave paintings
If there is no PvP in FFIV, it will already lose its long term appeal to a lot of players.
All massively played games on the internet are about PvP. And certainly include the option to have one.
From WoW to CoD series, Counter Strike, EVE, Battlefield, you name it.
Lotro would have tripled its player base if they had included a 2 way faction play.
Graphics don't mean a thing in gameplay btw. Look at Pokemon.
Only long term playing value accounts for success in an MMO and you simply can't keep up with PVE alone or fancy graphics or a "cool" setting (whatever that may be in a Fantasy game in which we have seen it ALL).
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
I have to agree with Camp on this one . If FFXIV offers no PVP option it wont appeal to a lot of players . Although the majority of players in Warcraft seam to prefter the PVE side of the game . Its all about offering the public what they want without PVP you immediatly turn off a lot of players . It wont put me off playing this because I've always loved the FF series of games . What it may mean though is that I wont stay in it once I've experianced a few months of the endgame content . I guess its a matter of wait and see again , these potential WoWkillers come up once or twice every year and obviously have come to nothing . It does'nt mean eventually a game will come along that will offer some serious competition to WoW . I'm just not sure that this or even the new StarWars game will be it .
If I were to hazard a guess at a game that could really hurt Warcraft . It would have to be by a company like Bethsheba Softworks that have a great track record with single player rpgs . I hear rumours that they are developing not one but two mmorpgs . I'd hazzard a guess that they would be Elder Scrolls and Fallout .
Its only a matter of time till someone gets it right .
Love or hate PVP, not including every aspect you possibly can into an MMO of this caliber is a mistake in my eyes.
ROFL, he must have a big one to say that. This whole animestyle thingy isnt big, at least not as big as in asia. Wankers stealing everything from the japs, such thiefs. Now China is growing while Japan have to rely on robots.
Let us hope FFXIV will turn out good and not a total rip off. Japs are good at thinking in their own way, so I firmly believe it won't be "like the others". Or? Am I just wishing? Im half jap myself.
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Sadly even MMO developers start to look at WoW as an example of what an MMORPG "should be".
WoW was a definite success story for any developer. Remember, developers are making a game ultimately for the sake of making more money than spent, and WoW was the ideal outcome for any MMORPG company. However, does that means WoW is the perfect MMORPG from a player's perspective?. I do not think so, but WoW did show that accessibility and popular lore matters to the success of a MMORPG. Of course lets not forget the dedicated Blizzard fans who support it, and Blizzard does have the track record prove that it was worthy of such large scale fandom from the massively popular games they have released even before WoW.
In the developer's eyes, WoW was probably the best type of success any MMORPG can hope for. However, whether that is a good trend or not remains to be seen. Since if all MMORPG developers only aim for success similar to WoW, the MMO game diversity and ingeniuity will likely suffer a serious blow as the developers stop looking at entertainment and simply focus on what will make a large amount of players fork over their money for as long as possible.
Well its not likely that ffxiv will be a big contender, but we will see. last i checked, SE said that ffxi had 2 million accoutns oened world wide, so thats pretty impressive. I dotn know who has higher then that on a p2p game.
Also, i see alot of people in here saying in order to compete with WOW, you have to copy there style. I think this is wrong. how many games have already tried this and hasnt doen it at all?? In order to beat WOW you will have to be trully next gen and different from it.
Just from reading the title of this thread, the first thought that went through my head was "duh." FFXIV is 2010, WOW is using a 2000 or earlier mmo engine. FFXIV will be on PS3, 360, AND PC. WoW is restricted to computers and PS3s with linux/windows emulators.
That being said, I don't see the playerbase of WoW, which consists, on a world-wide level, primarily of CHINESE, flocking to a JAPANESE-MADE Game. Also, on the other side of the world, the main playerbase of WOW is not the type of player, generally, that enjoys games like FFXI/ soon to release FFXIV. WOW is the penultimate Theme-Park MMO. The players don't really care much about story or balance as long as they have their version of fun. The games that need to worry are ones with a similar playstyle and quality equal to the final fantasy series. Those games are LOTRO, Aion, and other similar games that reward time invested as opposed to money spent. If WOW has one game to worry about stealing its playerbase, which consists primarily of chinese and children, it would be Guild Wars 2, due to the extremely similar playstlyle of the planned sequel, and the fact that they will have much less red tape to get through in China.
In short, FFXIV should not be compared to WOW because FFXIV will not be the same type of game. It will have a playerbase (outside of China) that will be higher than WOW's, however WOW will continue to have tons of "paper-stats" due to the way MMOs are run in China. The actual money they get from those hourly-times in China is ziltch. They get a flat amount from the local operator as well as "e-peen" for operating a game in china, which by the way, WOW is not the highest market share in China. It would more than likely be a game such a Dragon Oath or Perfect World, with over 10m in China alone last year.
TLDR for WOW players: Don't compare quality work like the FF Franchise to Warcraft, it insults true RPG players and makes you look bad.
^^ even though i agree completely with what you aid, we all know when time comes for reviews and talk of the game, purely becuase its an MMO everyone and their grandmother will be comparing its "sucsess" to WoW. everything will be compared to from gameplay style to finacial sucsess. It kind of pisses me off but i know it will happen.....but either way as long as the game is great in my eyes and we have enough people to fill out some servers, i dont give a rats ass how many subs they have compared to WoW.
@Camp11111: True there is no PVP in FF14 at "Launch" but they do plan to add it in there, they are taking a smart approach by bringing the game to its waiting fans earlier and then adding in elements of the game and content via patches at later points. WoW does this and it works well, I am pretty sure that I read about FFXIV talking about not relying on expansions so much to bring out new stuff for the game like FF11 did. There will still be expansions but will be spread out moreso and there will be free DLC coming out via patches probably every couple of months.
I hope its not a rival to WoW. I hope its more of a rival to FFXI.
If its a rival to WoW, FFXIV will suck IMO, just like WoW, just like the wow clones, and all the other WoW rivals. SE has carved out their niche group of players with FFXI which is 500k strong, trying to rival wow could land them far less.
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all i can say is wow thats pretty ironic that people state that an mmo with out PVP focus will faill when XI being released in 2002 has lasted at least 8 years with very little pvp content (added a few years after launch as a fun event and kept). then still others claim that there needs to be a wow killer, look wow was fine but every time i have picked it up it was easy mode, lack of a "real" storyline (yes i know there was storyline in wow but it had no meaning because who stoped to read the quests when there was so many "trash" quests in the mix) XI on the other hand had a rich story line that was not needed to pick up to get by on a dayly basis but made that part of the game shine out as a golden gem.
now all that aside XI was massivly differant from most mmo's out there for a few reasons,
1) massivly PVE/ Community based game play , XI's PVE wasmassive when you zoned (yes back in the day we has zones not a seemless) to a new area the scope of that area was like a wave of awe. but when you figured out that that ep you cant solo any more and you need a party to go on thats where FFXI either made its fans or lost them. you needed a party in XI to get things done thats promoted a community that has as i see it beaten out all the others. XI players developed tight nit communities in the game some in the forms of guilds but even if you where in such n such guild you still had a network of contacts that knew who you where and how good/bad you played this made and broke people, if you couldnt get along people whouldnt play with you. (thats what we call "balance")
2) static Avatars, you could have more than one char but it was typical to have one "main" and multiple gear "mules" if SE learned from that and allows a greater inventory max or a better way of holding on to gear for differant char classes (as gear now defines your class as i understand it for XIV) then this should stay the same.
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Thanks for the comments. Yes I hope FFXIV doesn't have any PvP it would ruin the genre of the series, FF has always been about cooperation.
I think FFXIV will be as successful as FFXI, and that would be pretty damn good for any game. And I think of success as good gameplay and community, not how many subs it gets.
I agree with you Frey, I see success in the same way, however still a business, so I'm hoping it works both ways. Lots of players and a good community. There is so much potential in this game to be breathtaking, and I really, really hope it does do just that.
I remember reading a dev's interview on BG's forums a few years back about how they never really envisioned people leveling more than 2 or 3 jobs at most. This lead to the whole inventory overload issue in XI directly. For the life of me i cannot find the article now, but what i'm getting at is, i think they have a better grasp at what an MMO today requires. On the other hand, we've seen time and time again that sometimes they miss on the obvious.
2-3 jobs.. I still laugh at that with my full level 75 jobs. They underestimated just how much of a loser I am in real life, and I got a maat's cap to prove it.... *crys in corner* Of course the last 5 jobs from the expansions didn't count for the cap anyways but I still leveled them. Even dancer. (Call me a fag if you want, I can care less since it is a good but under estimated job)
However, FFXI really isn't as long or grindy as some people think in terms of leveling. Once you get a hang of it (take a little while but not that bad) and some good friends and a decent LS. You can more or less power through some contents at relatively fast speed once you know what you are doing and do it with people that does well or at least you enjoy hang around with.
On the other hand, I find that nothing in FFXI was more fun than using the power, knowledge, and experience I gotten to help a fellow player, since FFXI is really more of that type of game. Even though I thoroughly dispise the 50 cap quest in the early days (damn the drop rate on the papyrus before patch) but still have done it many many time. I think that really sets apart what FFXI was compare to other games. Always someone needing help, and providing it was more fulfilling than killing Gods, HNM, and well anything. However, that is just my own little self gratificating way for playing FFXI.
I thought I heard there was some sort of PvP in XIV just like the ballista in XI. But even if they don't have that form of PvP I'm sure a decent amount of people will play. XI has held its subs of 500k for years now, why? Because it has its own following of people that like to group up together all the time. Most other games have less subs than it because they are all basically solofest quest grinders like WoW is and everyone is already playing WoW.
Yes graphics don't mean everything, but if SE can pull off great graphics and gameplay then that does mean something. IMO when XIV comes out it will be the best graphics surpassing AoC, and its said the game world is open as well. I have no doubt that SE will deliver with a different and enjoyable gameplay for me at least. It just all depends if people are willing to step out of their comfort zones and try out a more slower, strategic combat style. If they do it could become a very successful game.
I doubt it, if it's anywhere similar to the last one...
I thought I heard there was some sort of PvP in XIV just like the ballista in XI. But even if they don't have that form of PvP I'm sure a decent amount of people will play. XI has held its subs of 500k for years now, why? Because it has its own following of people that like to group up together all the time. Most other games have less subs than it because they are all basically solofest quest grinders like WoW is and everyone is already playing WoW.
Yes graphics don't mean everything, but if SE can pull off great graphics and gameplay then that does mean something. IMO when XIV comes out it will be the best graphics surpassing AoC, and its said the game world is open as well. I have no doubt that SE will deliver with a different and enjoyable gameplay for me at least. It just all depends if people are willing to step out of their comfort zones and try out a more slower, strategic combat style to become a very successful game.
I would like to see how FFXIV pan out as a MMORPG really. Since judging from the systems they implemented it is still hard to see how it would reach FFXI's level of complexity. However, nothing to do other than wait sadly.
They have not put out so much information yet, Vanafest 2010 this weekend should change that.
Its quite normal for a game in development not to reveal details that could get changed several times in the course of development.
The graphics alone will make your jaw drop though, if you have the gear for it.
After playing FFXIV, Wow will look like ancient cave paintings
Yeah, because Graphics are everything in a MMORPG, right? Why not just have glorified hentai/porn slide-shows. You can dress up in a pretty dress and prance around in make believe land, but I'd rather bank on gameplay.
Most mmorpgs I've played wouldn't know pvp if it fell from the sky and crushed their house. Hence, even if the new Final Fantasy mmo has pvp it won't be factional (too much work to make different sides with races!)....it will be some childish arena event or whatnot ala Champions Online or other Asian grinder models paint brushed with the mediocrity that so many mmorpgs are saturated with.
Might have fun pve. Though I doubt that as well considering the last pve experience I had where the player base was separated by elitest players and then..the rest of us. Secondly, the fact that I'd kill worms in the starter areas then larger worms that looked the same as the starter ones would have different names yet really still be the same mob lol.
Rezzeru please? Anyone?
All I need to see is "World of Warcraft" and "Rival" in the same sentence and I immediately think "Failure"
No, it won't rival World of Warcraft because Blizzard fanboys only want to play one type of game. A game like FFXIV requires WAY too much brain power than their little peanut-minds can handle.
Yes, I know, because everyone knows that a person can't play both Final Fantasy and World of Warcraft, because then that would make sense and us neanderthal can't grasp the concept that we can actually enjoy both! I must've been in an alternate reality when I played FFXI For 2 years and WoW since Feb of 2005.
Whew. Thanks. It all makes sense now. I've seen the light! Praise you, Mesiah!
No, it won't rival World of Warcraft because Blizzard fanboys only want to play one type of game. A game like FFXIV requires WAY too much brain power than their little peanut-minds can handle.
Yes, I know, because everyone knows that a person can't play both Final Fantasy and World of Warcraft, because then that would make sense and us neanderthal can't grasp the concept that we can actually enjoy both! I must've been in an alternate reality when I played FFXI For 2 years and WoW since Feb of 2005.
Whew. Thanks. It all makes sense now. I've seen the light! Praise you, Mesiah!
Yeah, and people claim to play both EVE and STO and enjoy them both.
I don't believe them either.
But yours isnt such a stretch, FFXI is a PVE centric game, and at its heart, so is WOW so the two types are pretty compatible.
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