Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Quick Links
Eq2 Battle grounds and PvP are terribad
Novusod
Member UncommonPosts: 912
I have been playing eq2 since release I have never given eq2 a bad review until today mainly because of the much hyped release of Battle grounds and the revamped PvP system. The old pvp system was not perfect but it was a decent system and quite fun for those who enjoyed the pvp servers. Given this is mainly a pve game with mechanics not really balanced for pvp but in the past there was at least an illusion at least an attempt to make the pvp game credibly fair. Now with the revamp and the introduction of instanced pvp called battlegrounds all ideas of pvp balance has gone out the window. About 99% of the "battles" are like bringing a knife to a gun fight. If you are not a Shadow Knight or Warlock/Wizard you cannot possibly win. You are just so much canon fodder to pad their kill counts. Imbalance does not even begin to describe the state of the game right now. You will literally be one shotted by a nuker the instant a match starts and step off the platform if not faster.
If you are thinking about trying out Eq2 for battlegrounds and the PvP save yourself the trouble and don't go there. Battle grounds is not pvp it is a joke. Yeah you get a token for losing because you can't win without an i-win class. I play pvp games to have fun and test my mettle against talented pvp'ers not for some lame consolation prize. If you lose you shouldn't get anything because every class has an equal chance of winning. SoE implements the complete opposite of what it should be and then thinks their system is good. Eq2 battlegrounds is an insult to real pvp'ers. The whole thing is terribad. Avoid this game.
Comments
The game is fine, but the PvP does suck. Your nerdrage about catering to casuals is misguided. Trash the PvP and the ludicrous battlegrounds, but the PvE side is plenty good. Catering to the casual is the smart business plan. Notice how WoW did it? I could care less if the loser gets a consolation prize and I'm confused why it bothers you so much?
EQ2 was never designed with PvP in mind. It's tacked on and not very good.
/shrug
PvP was never EQII's selling point.
It is there if you simjply must have it, but it is only a very small fragment of a much larger game.
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
Benjamin Franklin
I last played Everquest II back during Echoes of Faydwar and I played it religiously. I had a level 36 Fae Monk (Yeah, I know, lol), but I loved her to death.
The worst part about my experience in the game had nothing to do with the game itself, but the players in the game and that was the economy. Leveling crafting or buying items was a nightmare. The best thing to do was to gather materials yourself and have someone make the items for you. This is usually how I got my best in slot items for my level.
My fondest memories was the Pumpkin raid boss I participated in. Seriously 25 people just beating the snot out of that giant pumpkin for a subpar quest, but dang was it fun! Lol, I died at least 3 times. It was worth it though.
Unfortunately, around the mid 30's, grouping becomes more dominate and I found myself not enjoying the game as much. There are few people to play with around those levels, so grouping kinda sucks.
I had an awesome guild, though. They took me through some of the hardest quests. Can't remember what they were called, but they gave some insane items that required even more insane materials and quest items.
Doing those quests, seeing the World, and hanging with people was some of my favorite memories.
I just wish the economy wasn't so bad and the game was a lot less group focused. While it is possible to solo, it isn't practical.
I'd like to return; maybe giving the trial a try. They recently released the "Dark fei" which look interesting to play. My last character was a rat-thinger necromancer I think. Everyone said the necromancer is the easiest solo class to level. I really enjoyed playing that class. It was a lot of fun. Probably my favorite.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
So which one is it?
I know that casters currently have a leg up on the competition but get close and you'll tear em apart. I'm rolling a zerker and I haven't had any trouble with sk's and I'm going in with only 127 AAs and no myth.
So which one is it?
I know that casters currently have a leg up on the competition but get close and you'll tear em apart. I'm rolling a zerker and I haven't had any trouble with sk's and I'm going in with only 127 AAs and no myth.
With eq2 it is both. If you lose you get rewards because everything insanely imbalanced. The opposite of what it should be.
Mages are invincible to melee which means the closer you get into them the faster you die. Sks are basically plate wearing mages. The designers of this system have no shame.
Hold on I mean no offesne but - for one pvp in EQ 2 had so many goofy restrictions and pointless underwritings so yeah we can all agree on that - I recall seeing completely diffferent tiers of players in an enemy group so that if someone out of the prescribed level range of the top dog in the group attacked a lower level member..then everyone could jump in. I'd see high levels just standing around a corner waiting for a low level in their party to get attacked = utter nonsense.
Secondly, this new battleground thing - let me guess - no realm v realm right? It's Sony so we are talking any race class combo where only guild makes the difference..if even that? So monks vs monks paladins vs paladins and such?
Thirdly - the game is so top heavy - it's an absolute deadzone for new players and the economy is just built for top end EQ 2 vets. Why would anyone even want to play this?
SOE killed Vanguard to keep EQ2 numbers (even as low as they are)...SOE killed SWG just because of pure foolishness - two reasons right there to not trust them to do anything other than what any mmorpg can do with a little copy paste and that is....pve.
Want good rvr? Get a developer to make Dark Age of Camelot 2. Other than that - it's just vanilla pvp because there really are no in depth objectives in the craptastic pvp of the instanced Battle Ground genre i.e., WoW, Guild Wars, AoC, Warhammer and the such.
My two cents.
EQII has PvP for the sake of having it, they probably won't do many balance changes.
"The question that sometimes drives me hazy: Am I, or the others crazy?" - Albert Einstein
Around 90% plays SK, so they wont be nurfed *g*
Thats because PvP sucks and this game wasn't designed with it in mind. I just hope EQ2 keeps its promise and doesn't start to focus on that crap.
I have always liked the PVP server (Vox) I am on. Knowing I can get ganked at any moment and keeping a look out for lower level players than I whom I can gank is a lot of fun and keeps the game tense for me. Sure the game's PVP isn't perfect but I have very fond memories of getting a group together and searching for Q's.
On one hand OP has been playing EQ2 since release. Then he is a hardcore, cut your balls off PVP purist. So I ask, why have you played EQ2 for so long if PVP is your main focus, which it must be to become so hardore?
You know, thats a very good question. EQ2 has never concentrated on PvP, and from the looks of it, the devs have promised that they will never (and it doesn't seem they will break that promise) balance the game for PvP. Why would you continually play a game for 5 years straight that never gives you anything you want.
Personally, I wouldn't.
You know, thats a very good question. EQ2 has never concentrated on PvP, and from the looks of it, the devs have promised that they will never (and it doesn't seem they will break that promise) balance the game for PvP. Why would you continually play a game for 5 years straight that never gives you anything you want.
Personally, I wouldn't.
I think you are both jumping to extremes of judgment about the OP. The first line of the post said they never gave the game a bad review, so I think it is safe to assume they are a fan of what the game offered. Even admitting the game wasn't balanced for pvp, but the system was playable prior to the changes.
Why always ignore the points someone makes and try to focus the discussion to poster as if they are the problem. Just more of the same I guess.
You know, thats a very good question. EQ2 has never concentrated on PvP, and from the looks of it, the devs have promised that they will never (and it doesn't seem they will break that promise) balance the game for PvP. Why would you continually play a game for 5 years straight that never gives you anything you want.
Personally, I wouldn't.
I think you are both jumping to extremes of judgment about the OP. The first line of the post said they never gave the game a bad review, so I think it is safe to assume they are a fan of what the game offered. Even admitting the game wasn't balanced for pvp, but the system was playable prior to the changes.
Why always ignore the points someone makes and try to focus the discussion to poster as if they are the problem. Just more of the same I guess.
Your probably correct, everyone knows there are no SOE trolls on this site.
Perhaps the pvp is just what it is. A chance to allow people to get into a battleground and duke it out. Not to create a
pvp system or to expand upon their pvp system but just to have a sort of large duel.
So it's not serious, just a bit of fun that players can have by duking it out with each other. If that is the case then it seems to me
That the only real issue is balance.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I don't play on the the PVP server and don't participate in BG's so for me it has zero effect, though I would raise objections if the started trying to balance for PVP.
I've always been of the idea that you can balance for pvp without touching pve.
Lineage 2 had a second set of hit points called combat points. These would only be used if you were fighting a player.
So I don't see why certain spells or attacks can be altered (or conversely you gain some resistances) when fighting another player?
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Wow is not casual.
This is the problem with SoE and the others developers.
They try to make ultra casual games, thinking that WoW is one.
In fact if you go to Xfire and calculate the average play time for each of its players, WoW is confortably very close to EQ, which is considered fairly hardcore.
I wonder how long will it take major devs to understand it.
Wow is not casual.
This is the problem with SoE and the others developers.
They try to make ultra casual games, thinking that WoW is one.
In fact if you go to Xfire and calculate the average play time for each of its players, WoW is confortably very close to EQ, which is considered fairly hardcore.
I wonder how long will it take major devs to understand it.
So now WOW isnt casual? My God the WOW worship and SOE hated has finally gone off the cliff.
Wow is not casual.
This is the problem with SoE and the others developers.
They try to make ultra casual games, thinking that WoW is one.
In fact if you go to Xfire and calculate the average play time for each of its players, WoW is confortably very close to EQ, which is considered fairly hardcore.
I wonder how long will it take major devs to understand it.
So now WOW isnt casual? My God the WOW worship and SOE hated has finally gone off the cliff.
I think that's honestly a matter of opinion. I wish people would quit saying one game is casual and one game is hardcore and treating it like it's fact.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
EQ2 is too gear centric to be a PvP game, but then thats an opinion.
yep SKs is over powered in the sense a well geared SK out DPS decent DPSers - but never the high end.
and they have tried to balanace "in PvP balance" in pvp crowd control and DPS output have been made weaker - too avoid ppl getting trapped or just 1 shotted (which some still experience tho
)
and PvP in battlegrounds aint 1 vs 1 as some suggested. it is group vs group....and up to 4 groups fighting I believe.
well imo should never have introduced "PvP" into EQ2 but SOE want as many ppl in as possible...and yes EQ2 is top heavy but doesnt take that long to solo to lvl 90....they make sure to keep speed up the lower lvls more and more - even with this expansion they have made a more guided tour through out the game, and made sure the more "painful" lvls have been made easier.
edit: and there is PvP gear for those battlegrounds only btw....another of their balance attempts. gear that is useless in PvE - which is good imo
I can honestly say IMO the whole Sentials fate expansion has been pretty muich a bust. they've spent way too many resources trying to create a WoW battleground to entice wow players and have pretty much ignored the players that have been playing EQ2 all along. Almost every agree the buggy battle grounds just really aren't that much fun, and aren't what EQ2 players were looking for anyway
Currently there really is no reason to craft as tier 2 shard gear from TSO is better then any SF rare crafted. ( and with the solo shard quest any player that spent 15 mins a day 3 days a week should easily have a full set of tier 2 shard items by now.)
The quest line is so limited its silly. ie it doesn't matter what your race, or class are you'll just have to help the panda's no matter how moronic, annoying, and irratating their quests are.
Seriously I have played EQ2 since its first come out, but now i actually feel WoW's probably more challenging and haven'ty played it since the first year it came out 9quit after i made 60 and never looked back till now)
Soe just doesn't understand that in their despirit quest to get WoW players they are degrading eq2 to a bastardied hybrid that doesn't appeal well to either EQ2 or WoW players.
Wow is not casual.
This is the problem with SoE and the others developers.
They try to make ultra casual games, thinking that WoW is one.
In fact if you go to Xfire and calculate the average play time for each of its players, WoW is confortably very close to EQ, which is considered fairly hardcore.
I wonder how long will it take major devs to understand it.
It is up to the player whether or not they want to play WoW casually or not. WoW can be played casually if the player chooses to. The leveling is extremely fast, most of the dungeons take less than 30 minutes each in heroic mode, the raids have been toned down and most can be easily done in under an hour. Most casual players dont know what Xfire so most likely theyve never even installed it.
I was watching this game for this feature
I am no hardcore PvP er but from time to time, PvPing is a neccesarity in an MMO for me... I like diversity and PvP is part of that.. The main reason i quit EQ now allready 2 times was the fact that there is no PVP on normal servers..
I hope they improve on it... but then its SOE... so you never know
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Wow is not casual.
This is the problem with SoE and the others developers.
They try to make ultra casual games, thinking that WoW is one.
In fact if you go to Xfire and calculate the average play time for each of its players, WoW is confortably very close to EQ, which is considered fairly hardcore.
I wonder how long will it take major devs to understand it.
So now WOW isnt casual? My God the WOW worship and SOE hated has finally gone off the cliff.
WoW players play as much as EQ players and much more than Eq2 player.................how do you wanna call that?
It is a shame Developers do not do a simple research which will take them out of their ignorance.
WoW has a casual feel, but it ain't casual at all.
That's where all developers are getting it wrong.