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Move over Blizzard, Runic Games on the rise!
ThomasN7
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In the same astonishing day, Torchlight won both the Game Industry News’ RPG Game of the Year Award, and the Game Developer’s Conference Choice Award for Best Debut.
www.torchlightgame.com/gamenews/2010/03/12/its-a-major-award/
With Blizzard milking WoW so much and taking 10+ years to even release Starcraft 2 (which by the way many beta testers have confirmed it plays more like an expansion than a whole new game) and Diablo 3 still in the making (which has been given WoW type features and rainbow art direction) Runic Games has made a tremendous game within a year! Also there are major rumblings of a Torchlight 2 multiplayer expansion in the works before they release the Torchlight mmo.
kotaku.com/5492815/victorious-torchlight-creators-like-the-idea-of-torchlight-2
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Played Torchlight myself and overall found it to be a really great game very similar to Diablo 2, but different enough to not get easily bored with it. If they do follow through with the plans to make the online/multiplayer version, and do it well, theyve got a good chance to make whatever Diablo 3 turns out to be pretty much a flop, when/if blizzard ever actually releases it. Although, as weve seen them do with WoW, Blizzard will probably see what Torchlight does that makes it unique, then take those things and incorporate it into Diablo 3, and then advertise the crap out of it to make sure it sells.
Unfortunately for Runic, Blizzard is the one that has the long history of games like WoW and Diablo, so if they want to get to the top theyre going to need to do something really special and make sure to manage the game very well and actual pay attention to their player base and what they want.
lol @ thinking blizzard will "move over"
I'm sure SC2 and D3 will break records.
Torchlight was just a fresh game that attracted a lot of ppl, but after playing it. I can not agree with it being game of the year, it was decent but that's about it, it's not enough to complete with Diablo, just a decent clone.
Blizzard will still crush numbers with every product they release, you just have to deal with it and move on. These guys just know how to make games, it's a fact. I know that just sounds a bit cocky, but it's just how it is. I know someone will come around and put Blizzard in it's place, but Blizzard will find a way back to the top and dominate.
Wildstar (2013) & Elder Scroll Online (2013)
Playing: Diablo 3, WOW, Far Cry 3 & X-Com.
Enjoyed: WOW 5 1/2 yrs, LOTRO 3yrs, GW 1/2yr, DFO 1yr, EVE Online 3yrs, and Huxley (Beta).
Failed to impress: GW2 3months, Tera Online 6 months (best combat system in any MMO I've played) STO 1/4yr, Aion 1/2yr, AoC 1yr, CO, Fallen Earth, DDO, EQ2 1/2yr, WAR 1/2yr, Lineage 2 and FF XI 1/2yr, FF XIV.
Blizzard is still living off the reputation of people that have left that company over 5 years ago. Sure they still make pretty good games but they certainly are not what they used to be. I always liked Diablo and Stacraft for many years but I'm certainly not impressed with the work they have done on SC2 or D3. It is certainly time to give other developers their due for their hard work and efforts. I believe Runic Games will make a oustanding multiplayer Torchlight 2 and mmo.
How can you even judge D3 or SC2? What a joke!!! All you have to go by would be the beta of SC2 and maybe some screens / short video clips of D3.
How can you even judge D3 or SC2? What a joke!!! All you have to go by would be the beta of SC2 and maybe some screens / short video clips of D3.
Beta or not SC2 is not drastically changing from now until release. D3 characters look like WoW mini-pets! So far very disappointed in the D3 character models as well as them making D3 into some form of Disney cartoon for kids.
Torchlight feels exactly like Fate, an old WildTangent game from I don't know how long ago. Yet it won all these awards. Go figure, right? I thought it was fun, but not all that great... mainly because I played Fate.
torch RPG game of the year, please what a compleatly mindless game, an RPG? I dont think so, Baldurs gate, fallout 3, Mass effect , dragon age, Risen, yes those are very good Rpg's but torch is just go in and mindlessly kill all enemies without even any thought involved, what a joke
What is really interesting is that the team behind Runic is the team that was in large part behind Diablo 1 and Blizzard North. What is disappointing about Torchlight is that they developers got lazy and thought an endless dungeon and lots of options for client side exploits with no multi-player governed severs was a good idea. In the end it is boring as molasses. I mean, it is majorly boring crap and in no way comes close to the genius behind Diablo 2, and even Titan Quest was a million times better.
I do agree though, I am getting sick of Blizzard and their BS. SC2 is a relic before it is even in stores, and will fail pretty hardcore. Sure tons of people will buy it, but it will signal the end of the old Blizzard we know and love, because everyone will see it for the xpac to a 10 year old game that it is. As far as D3 goes, well by the time that game even comes close to releasing it will be a relic of times gone by, fully outfit with totally crap graphics and sub-part gameplay. I was a Blizzard fanboy for a decade, I have finally realized the company cannot deliver, and will not deliver again, otherwise they would have. The market is in need of a quality game, and a massive number of players are ready to get into something new. Blizzard says nothing, and does nothing, except to spout crap about Catacylsm, which will fail big time. Blizzard is done, and so are their ancient franchises. Sad, horrible, upsetting outcome, but let's be honest, if they have not released a game worth considering since WoW as of yet, they are not likley to do anything worthwhile with 10 year old franchises anytime soon.
I know- Torchlight is Fate with different skins/better graphics and same gameplay- Right down to fishing and feeding your pets to get them to transform.
It was a good, simple, casual time waster game but really lacked depth an I dont understand the great reviews.
I guess gaming is changing to the point where simplicity and shiny colors rule the day. =/
I know- Torchlight is Fate with different skins/better graphics and same gameplay- Right down to fishing and feeding your pets to get them to transform.
It was a good, simple, casual time waster game but really lacked depth an I dont understand the great reviews.
I guess gaming is changing to the point where simplicity and shiny colors rule the day. =/
I am going to switch time waster to waste of time, yea thats right
I know- Torchlight is Fate with different skins/better graphics and same gameplay- Right down to fishing and feeding your pets to get them to transform.
It was a good, simple, casual time waster game but really lacked depth an I dont understand the great reviews.
I guess gaming is changing to the point where simplicity and shiny colors rule the day. =/
I am going to switch time waster to waste of time, yea thats right
I wouldn't argue with that
Played Torchlight myself and overall found it to be a really great game very similar to Diablo 2, but different enough to not get easily bored with it. If they do follow through with the plans to make the online/multiplayer version, and do it well, theyve got a good chance to make whatever Diablo 3 turns out to be pretty much a flop, when/if blizzard ever actually releases it. Although, as weve seen them do with WoW, Blizzard will probably see what Torchlight does that makes it unique, then take those things and incorporate it into Diablo 3, and then advertise the crap out of it to make sure it sells.
Unfortunately for Runic, Blizzard is the one that has the long history of games like WoW and Diablo, so if they want to get to the top theyre going to need to do something really special and make sure to manage the game very well and actual pay attention to their player base and what they want.
COME ON!!!! THIS BLIZZARD WE TALKING ABOUT!!!!
They Steal from the poor and give to rich.
EQ --->Vanilla WoW
W40k ---->SC
WAR-->WC
Guild Wars--->TBC(WOW)
WARo------>WoTLK
AION-----> CAT(WOW)
Well I agree that times have changed and it seems graphics seems more of a priority for people rather than gameplay. I don't think Runic ever thought Torchlight would get this much attention. People loved Torchlight so much that they have no choice now but to put the game in multiplayer form before the mmo. Also Torchlight has been one of the best sellers on Steam since release. I think Runic is a good company that is headed down that great path only a few have ever walked. Blizzard was once great developer but now it is time for developers like Runic Games to shine in the spotlight.
I know- Torchlight is Fate with different skins/better graphics and same gameplay- Right down to fishing and feeding your pets to get them to transform.
It was a good, simple, casual time waster game but really lacked depth an I dont understand the great reviews.
I guess gaming is changing to the point where simplicity and shiny colors rule the day. =/
Not surprising considering that Travis Baldree, the main developer on Torchlight, is also the man responsible for Fate and Flagship's Mythos.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II
"People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
I agree with you that Blizzard have sadly proven, with their inability to deliver a quality game in the last almost 6 years, and have failed to deliver on 10 year old franchises, that they are done. I do not agree that Runic are even close to taking the Blizzard throne though. Torchlight is pretty garbage, I mean, it has incredible potential, but again, the plague of modern gaming is upon Runic - get it ou the door and hope crappy design is overlooked. Endless dungeon - BIG GOD DAMN ALARM TIME - this is a lazy POS garbage crap pile. If this development process is indicative of the company, we can safely assume they will be at best a crappy F2P chinese portfolio company that makes dollars driving people into stupid grindy "endless dungeons". The fact they are in bed with Perfect World is evidence enough that they have no interest in developing quality games, but rather in driving players to a cash shop.
I like all the SC2 hate here.. With the exception that from day one of SC2's announcement it was said that there was going to be no major game play changes to the game play between SC1 and SC2. They have always said it was more jsut refining and bringing the graphics up-to par and nothing more.
SC1 is still amazingly popular just like WC3. Despite what many people want to think or believe both games are played by 100k's of people daily.
I don't see what the big deal is about Torchlight. It's not even going to be on par with Diablo 3. Torchlight has no real physics interaction (You can't destory a wall or a bridge or anything like that). Heck there really isn't even much of a story to Torchlight where Diablo 3 is actually having a lot of work put into the story side of it this time around.
People can think and wish all they want but when Diablo 3 and SC2 hits the market. They are going to be huge successes with millions of people playing them.
Just FYI SC1 is a full blown sporting event in Korea where the big players make as much money playing the game as some football players here in the US.
I agree with you that Blizzard have sadly proven, with their inability to deliver a quality game in the last almost 6 years, and have failed to deliver on 10 year old franchises, that they are done. I do not agree that Runic are even close to taking the Blizzard throne though. Torchlight is pretty garbage, I mean, it has incredible potential, but again, the plague of modern gaming is upon Runic - get it ou the door and hope crappy design is overlooked. Endless dungeon - BIG GOD DAMN ALARM TIME - this is a lazy POS garbage crap pile. If this development process is indicative of the company, we can safely assume they will be at best a crappy F2P chinese portfolio company that makes dollars driving people into stupid grindy "endless dungeons". The fact they are in bed with Perfect World is evidence enough that they have no interest in developing quality games, but rather in driving players to a cash shop.
I doubt that Blizzard is going to fail on either D3 or Starcraft 2.
I know- Torchlight is Fate with different skins/better graphics and same gameplay- Right down to fishing and feeding your pets to get them to transform.
It was a good, simple, casual time waster game but really lacked depth an I dont understand the great reviews.
I guess gaming is changing to the point where simplicity and shiny colors rule the day. =/
Not surprising considering that Travis Baldree, the main developer on Torchlight, is also the man responsible for Fate and Flagship's Mythos.
Doesn't suprise anyone that tested Mythos in its limited closed beta time. Torchlight is the exact same game as Mytho's was with the exception that Torchlight you could play single player where Mythos was online. They changed a few interface parts here and there and a few skins. But wait tell Mythos is released as a F2P game and then compare the two.. Torchlight MMO won't stand much of a chance unless they make some major changes to it.
I agree with you that Blizzard have sadly proven, with their inability to deliver a quality game in the last almost 6 years, and have failed to deliver on 10 year old franchises, that they are done. I do not agree that Runic are even close to taking the Blizzard throne though. Torchlight is pretty garbage, I mean, it has incredible potential, but again, the plague of modern gaming is upon Runic - get it ou the door and hope crappy design is overlooked. Endless dungeon - BIG GOD DAMN ALARM TIME - this is a lazy POS garbage crap pile. If this development process is indicative of the company, we can safely assume they will be at best a crappy F2P chinese portfolio company that makes dollars driving people into stupid grindy "endless dungeons". The fact they are in bed with Perfect World is evidence enough that they have no interest in developing quality games, but rather in driving players to a cash shop.
I doubt that Blizzard is going to fail on either D3 or Starcraft 2.
No-one would disagree that the box sales will be epic, but the fact remains the gameplay in beta is considered an xpac of a 10 year odl game at best, and D3 is so far overdue it is a relic. Will I buy it - of course, will it be disappointing, almost 100% for sure. Did Warhammer sell lots of boxes, sure, did Modern Warfare 2 sell lots of boxes sure, did Aion sell lots of boxes, sure - were all of these games failures - sure were. So selling some boxes does not make a success.
I agree with you that Blizzard have sadly proven, with their inability to deliver a quality game in the last almost 6 years, and have failed to deliver on 10 year old franchises, that they are done. I do not agree that Runic are even close to taking the Blizzard throne though. Torchlight is pretty garbage, I mean, it has incredible potential, but again, the plague of modern gaming is upon Runic - get it ou the door and hope crappy design is overlooked. Endless dungeon - BIG GOD DAMN ALARM TIME - this is a lazy POS garbage crap pile. If this development process is indicative of the company, we can safely assume they will be at best a crappy F2P chinese portfolio company that makes dollars driving people into stupid grindy "endless dungeons". The fact they are in bed with Perfect World is evidence enough that they have no interest in developing quality games, but rather in driving players to a cash shop.
I doubt that Blizzard is going to fail on either D3 or Starcraft 2.
No-one would disagree that the box sales will be epic, but the fact remains the gameplay in beta is considered an xpac of a 10 year odl game at best, and D3 is so far overdue it is a relic. Will I buy it - of course, will it be disappointing, almost 100% for sure. Did Warhammer sell lots of boxes, sure, did Modern Warfare 2 sell lots of boxes sure, did Aion sell lots of boxes, sure - were all of these games failures - sure were. So selling some boxes does not make a success.
I don't care and do not measure success by box numbers. I don't care what ratings or awards a game receives. Stop being so cynical.
I agree with you that Blizzard have sadly proven, with their inability to deliver a quality game in the last almost 6 years, and have failed to deliver on 10 year old franchises, that they are done. I do not agree that Runic are even close to taking the Blizzard throne though. Torchlight is pretty garbage, I mean, it has incredible potential, but again, the plague of modern gaming is upon Runic - get it ou the door and hope crappy design is overlooked. Endless dungeon - BIG GOD DAMN ALARM TIME - this is a lazy POS garbage crap pile. If this development process is indicative of the company, we can safely assume they will be at best a crappy F2P chinese portfolio company that makes dollars driving people into stupid grindy "endless dungeons". The fact they are in bed with Perfect World is evidence enough that they have no interest in developing quality games, but rather in driving players to a cash shop.
I doubt that Blizzard is going to fail on either D3 or Starcraft 2.
No-one would disagree that the box sales will be epic, but the fact remains the gameplay in beta is considered an xpac of a 10 year odl game at best, and D3 is so far overdue it is a relic. Will I buy it - of course, will it be disappointing, almost 100% for sure. Did Warhammer sell lots of boxes, sure, did Modern Warfare 2 sell lots of boxes sure, did Aion sell lots of boxes, sure - were all of these games failures - sure were. So selling some boxes does not make a success.
I don't care and do not measure success by box numbers. I don't care what ratings or awards a game receives. Stop being so cynical.
It is not cynical to expect more from a company considered top of the market to produce a game worth talking about more than once every 6-10 years.
I agree with most of the criticism posted so far. It's a very fun and addictive loot grind that will run well on pretty much every system made in the last 10 years. Hell, it'll even run on a netbook. However, that's all it is, a leveling/loot grind, no more no less. If it had been a full priced game, I'd have been disappointed. BUT...
It was $20. For twenty bones you get an incredibly fun single player dungeon romp with as much replayability as any comparable ARPG released since the original Diablo got the ball rolling. Personally, I think it was the best $20 I spent in 2009, on entertainment anyway. I think the MMO version will definitely flourish so long as they don't let the cash shop grow out of control, and of course make a few tweaks, add some more varied environments, etc. But after seeing them make a AAA effort on what was essentially a budget title released to make a bit of development cash, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I say good luck to Runic in unseating the monster that is Blizzard. I doubt they'll succeed, but IMO they've earned a shot at it.
Well it certainly isn't about unseating Blizzard because even Runic themselves said it isn't their goal to do so.The point is that we should really give developers the good credit they deserve when they make great games like Torchlight and we can even throw in Borderlands(Gearbox Software) which sold over 3 million copies and the game is not even a year old.
Torchlight is what Diablo was 10 years ago. When Diablo officially launched there was quite a few issues with the game which at times some would say not even playable for them. Also the reviews for Diablo was mearly average. Torchlight is heading the charge for the next wave of dungeon crawlers. Sure Torchlight has some issues just like Diablo did and both turned out to be great games.
Blizzard had their time to be great and they were but since all the great talent left they been just an average company now that still lives off the reputation of developers that is not even there anymore. I think Bill Roper put it best when he was asked what he thought about the art direction for Diablo 3. He basically told us that Diablo 3's art style was just Blizzard's interpretation of what they think Diablo should be. Notice he didn't come out and say "yeah that is not the Diablo we know". He gave us the politically correct answer like most devlopers do. Blizzard had great franchises in Starcraft and Diablo but since they decided to milk WoW so much they totally forgot to give the same special love to Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 as they do WoW. Time has passed Blizzard by but that is ok because now we have great rpgs like Torchlight , Borderlands and quite a few others that done extremely well.
Do you ever stop chatting nonsense, or is it just something that comes naturally?.
Granted Torchlight is an avergae game at best. Nothing more than that, even the playerbase has said after a month it has virtually no replayability. Diablo 1 and 2 has a playerbase greater than most major AAA mmos combined, and SC1 has a bigger playerbase than most mmos as well. So please dont talk about Diablo and starcraft as if you know anything.
You keep tlaking about blizzard and developers, it amazeses me those failure developers keep saying anythign about blizzard and then kepe saying they were ex employees of blizzard, if they were any good they would probably be working at Blizzard and not failing and failing with each game they make. You har it all the time, so called ex Blizzard employees making the next big mmo, where the hell are they at now?
Quoting Bill roper is always a good reference...Not