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"Game has so much potential"

BenthonBenthon Member Posts: 2,069

When will people stop saying this? Potential means nothing until it's utilized.

It means nothing when a developer says "Were going to have feature x!" until that feature is actually implemented into the game. Why? Because that feature could be months or years away, or never be implremented at all. Developers can get away with saying nearly anything by putting that little sentence on the box that says "Game experience may change during online play".

What does that mean for you? Stop paying for potential and start demanding finished products. That's your responsibility as a consumer.

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  • KruulKruul Member UncommonPosts: 482

    Being DF player I decided to give MO a couple weeks of my time just to see if my first impressions (which were bad) were wrong. After a couple weeks the only thing that will keep me from buying this game is not having a NA based server option. They haven't made an official announcement about a NA server which scares me.

    No matter what happens with the game, at least I got a solid 2- 3 weeks of AFK swimming done in DFO ) And now pushing 375 HP. So when open beta is over I will be going back to DF permanently or until SV opens a NA server. I won't compromise on ping in a MMOFPS.

  • rlmccoy1987rlmccoy1987 Member Posts: 1,722

    The fans have "hope" that the content will be implemented because it has "potential"  

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  • JakdstripperJakdstripper Member RarePosts: 2,410

    the question is:

    Will people pay now for the future potential of this game?

  • Agricola1Agricola1 Member UncommonPosts: 4,977
    Originally posted by Jakdstripper


    the question is:
    Will people pay now for the future potential of this game?



     

    Well I did, had the money spare and WTF am I gonna do? Sub to WoW?

    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

    CS Lewis

  • therain93therain93 Member UncommonPosts: 2,039
    Originally posted by Benthon


    When will people stop saying this? Potential means nothing until it's utilized.
    It means nothing when a developer says "Were going to have feature x!" until that feature is actually implemented into the game. Why? Because that feature could be months or years away, or never be implremented at all. Developers can get away with saying nearly anything by putting that little sentence on the box that says "Game experience may change during online play".
    What does that mean for you? Stop paying for potential and start demanding finished products. That's your responsibility as a consumer.



     

    Game experience may change during online play refers to the game rating only.  The game can be rate for kids 2+ when offline but because you can go online and deal with people who can say anything, that cannot be rated, thus the expression "Game experience may change..."  It has NOTHING to do with game content changes.

  • BuniontToesBuniontToes Member Posts: 529

    I ave worked so many projects that had "potential" very few of them succeed. 

  • srasmsrasm Member UncommonPosts: 42

    Most of us have bought or preordered a game based on its "potential". For me that particular game was Roma Victor. Lesson learned.

    I've come to translate "so much potential" into "it sucks right now, but there's a chance it might become better". In other words, games with "potential" are just not ready for launch, but maybe worth looking upon later.

  • BuniontToesBuniontToes Member Posts: 529

    A kid asks his father for help on a writing assignment. "Dad, can you tell me the difference between potential and reality?"

    His father looks up thoughtfully and says, "I'll demonstrate. Go ask your mother if she would sleep with Robert Redford for a million dollars. Then go ask your sister if she would sleep with Brad Pitt for a million dollars. Come back and tell me what you've learned."

    The kid is puzzled, but asks his mother. "Mom, if someone gave you a million dollars, would you sleep with Robert Redford?"

    "Don't tell your father, but, yes, I would."

    He then goes to his sister's room. "Sis, if someone gave you a million dollars, would you sleep with Brad Pitt?"

    She replies, "Omigod! Definitely!"

    The kid goes back to his father. "Dad, I think I've figured it out. Potentially, we are sitting on $2 million bucks, but in reality, we're living with two sluts."

  • brostynbrostyn Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,092
    Originally posted by BuniontToes


    A kid asks his father for help on a writing assignment. "Dad, can you tell me the difference between potential and reality?"
    His father looks up thoughtfully and says, "I'll demonstrate. Go ask your mother if she would sleep with Robert Redford for a million dollars. Then go ask your sister if she would sleep with Brad Pitt for a million dollars. Come back and tell me what you've learned."
    The kid is puzzled, but asks his mother. "Mom, if someone gave you a million dollars, would you sleep with Robert Redford?"
    "Don't tell your father, but, yes, I would."
    He then goes to his sister's room. "Sis, if someone gave you a million dollars, would you sleep with Brad Pitt?"
    She replies, "Omigod! Definitely!"
    The kid goes back to his father. "Dad, I think I've figured it out. Potentially, we are sitting on $2 million bucks, but in reality, we're living with two sluts."

     

    LOL!!!!! Seriously, that is one smart kid.

  • TraxexTraxex Member Posts: 31


    well i have been here for the month now, and i clearly see that this game will rock in month / two even more than it does now

  • JuicemanJuiceman Member Posts: 167


    it's hard to support a game that is going to release a game unfinished, according to there critera on their website, which in my eyes is just saying we have an excuse to release this game with what me promised and just what we promised.  Sure, their doing that.  Not enough.  It's unfinished.


    But it is definetely the best concept of an mmorpg( a certain type) for a while.  It has great mountains and light and shadows...if shadows werent bugged.  guts flying out of creatures is cool.  u can do whatever you want.  Im not sure if you can take out npcs but well see.  Its just not right to release "base" features for a game all incomplete and what not.  Thats not a game, thats a beta. like one dude said, potential vs realism.  Perhaps its like a mad scientist experiment in sandbox mmo, and it sounds great if it works. I just couldn't bring myself to buy this game unless I had no job(more time) and quite a bit of extra moola.  or it gets better.  which willl happen probably.  These people seem pretty comitted to their visions at least. edit: and so do the Mortal Online zealots that bought it already :)>

  • orlacorlac Member Posts: 549


    I don't buy 'potential.'

  • PsythosPsythos Member UncommonPosts: 124


    I quit paying for potential after AoC.

  • wicked45wicked45 Member Posts: 59


    Matrix Online anyone?


  • The "Idea" has so much potential. The game has squandered and crapped all over the idea that it has no hopes of surviving. Lets hope that one of the several other Sandbox games in development pan out to look like they actually had effort put into them.

  • striker09dxstriker09dx Member UncommonPosts: 197


    this game makes me remember this:


    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=614033

  • KrewelKrewel Member Posts: 390

    Originally posted by Psythos


    I quit paying for potential after AoC.


    +1

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183


    Potential is worthless without a studio creative and skilled enough, to see that potential through to something grand. I'm not saying SV isn't skilled or creative enough. Although I haven't seen much to say they are either.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • nate1980nate1980 Member UncommonPosts: 2,074

    Originally posted by Benthon


    When will people stop saying this? Potential means nothing until it's utilized.


    It means nothing when a developer says "Were going to have feature x!" until that feature is actually implemented into the game. Why? Because that feature could be months or years away, or never be implremented at all. Developers can get away with saying nearly anything by putting that little sentence on the box that says "Game experience may change during online play".


    What does that mean for you? Stop paying for potential and start demanding finished products. That's your responsibility as a consumer.


     


    Potential matters a great deal when you're talking about a MMORPG, which is always a work-in-progress. Just the same way an employer is hiring a new college graduate based on their potential, because they don't have any experience. Put another way, you are buying a MMO that has a good and solid foundation for future growth, much the same way an employer hires a person with a good foundation in the concepts of that job field.


    Now I'm not defending MO or saying MO has a good foundation, I'm just pointing out that buying a game based on its potential is a necessity. Why buy a game that doesn't have the potential to grow into a really good game? Developers just don't have the budgets to create good games that'll last more than 3-6 months, so their best best is building a good and solid foundation, that is relatively bug free and completely playable, so that they can concentrate solely on content releases, instead of on massive bug squashing and stability fixes; things that should be taken care of during beta.

  • nate1980nate1980 Member UncommonPosts: 2,074

    Originally posted by Kruul


    Being DF player I decided to give MO a couple weeks of my time just to see if my first impressions (which were bad) were wrong. After a couple weeks the only thing that will keep me from buying this game is not having a NA based server option. They haven't made an official announcement about a NA server which scares me.


    No matter what happens with the game, at least I got a solid 2- 3 weeks of AFK swimming done in DFO ) And now pushing 375 HP. So when open beta is over I will be going back to DF permanently or until SV opens a NA server. I won't compromise on ping in a MMOFPS.


     A fleetmate of mine told me that the developers of MO said that they won't have a NA server, nor do they really want one. They said that they're happy with the community they have now, are profitable, and don't need NA players.

  • nate1980nate1980 Member UncommonPosts: 2,074

    Originally posted by BuniontToes


    A kid asks his father for help on a writing assignment. "Dad, can you tell me the difference between potential and reality?"


    His father looks up thoughtfully and says, "I'll demonstrate. Go ask your mother if she would sleep with Robert Redford for a million dollars. Then go ask your sister if she would sleep with Brad Pitt for a million dollars. Come back and tell me what you've learned."


    The kid is puzzled, but asks his mother. "Mom, if someone gave you a million dollars, would you sleep with Robert Redford?"


    "Don't tell your father, but, yes, I would."


    He then goes to his sister's room. "Sis, if someone gave you a million dollars, would you sleep with Brad Pitt?"


    She replies, "Omigod! Definitely!"


    The kid goes back to his father. "Dad, I think I've figured it out. Potentially, we are sitting on $2 million bucks, but in reality, we're living with two sluts."


     ROFLMAO!!!

  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,064


    It is kind of an interesting observation: the more potential a game has, the less reality it has. Or, conversely, the more a game is fully developed, the less potential it has to become fully developed.


    If I plan to add feature X,Y and Z, then the game has the potential for getting X,Y and Z. If X, Y and Z are already there, there is no potential.


    So, for example, I am thinking of a game, have not started developing it yet, and it has UNLIMITED potential. Anyone want to buy it? I thought not. :)




    Investors buy things based on their potential, it is basically gambling. I buy a calf, and hope it grows into a large cow, and then I can sell it for profit. I risk my money on the potential for something to happen.


    Consumers normally want to buy something, not a potential something. I want to buy and eat a steak, I don't want to have to raise a calf first!


    This is what puzzles me about the whole "pre-order" phenomenon: why would someone pay for a potential something, before even getting anything tangible? unless they are an investor or a gambler? investors put up money that is at risk in order to make a profit, but if you "pre-order" a potential game, what is the upside for risking youir money?

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  • BoA*BoA* Member UncommonPosts: 159

    Originally posted by nate1980

    Originally posted by Kruul


    Being DF player I decided to give MO a couple weeks of my time just to see if my first impressions (which were bad) were wrong. After a couple weeks the only thing that will keep me from buying this game is not having a NA based server option. They haven't made an official announcement about a NA server which scares me.


    No matter what happens with the game, at least I got a solid 2- 3 weeks of AFK swimming done in DFO ) And now pushing 375 HP. So when open beta is over I will be going back to DF permanently or until SV opens a NA server. I won't compromise on ping in a MMOFPS.


     A fleetmate of mine told me that the developers of MO said that they won't have a NA server, nor do they really want one. They said that they're happy with the community they have now, are profitable, and don't need NA players.


     


    False.

  • tabarjacktabarjack Member UncommonPosts: 249


    This game failed when the PR said: "This game isn't gonna be for everyone" so I, like a lot of other players said, "OK i'll find one that will actually have players then, thanks for the warning and good luck"

  • graalexgraalex Member UncommonPosts: 6

    Originally posted by olepi


    It is kind of an interesting observation: the more potential a game has, the less reality it has. Or, conversely, the more a game is fully developed, the less potential it has to become fully developed.


    If I plan to add feature X,Y and Z, then the game has the potential for getting X,Y and Z. If X, Y and Z are already there, there is no potential.


    So, for example, I am thinking of a game, have not started developing it yet, and it has UNLIMITED potential. Anyone want to buy it? I thought not. :)




    Investors buy things based on their potential, it is basically gambling. I buy a calf, and hope it grows into a large cow, and then I can sell it for profit. I risk my money on the potential for something to happen.


    Consumers normally want to buy something, not a potential something. I want to buy and eat a steak, I don't want to have to raise a calf first!


    This is what puzzles me about the whole "pre-order" phenomenon: why would someone pay for a potential something, before even getting anything tangible? unless they are an investor or a gambler? investors put up money that is at risk in order to make a profit, but if you "pre-order" a potential game, what is the upside for risking youir money?


    You are a real genius!!!

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