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would blizzard be a good choice to make uo 2
arcanist
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from what i understand. Blizzard is skilled a stealing features from other games and making them accessably. Do you think they could do this with uo.
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Ok, at the risk of being caled a wow-fanboi i'll tell this.
They are not thieves, they are not stealing anything. The word you are looking for is Innovation
To answer your question, i highly doubt them picking an already established ip but if they ever do, they would definitely make it worth playing.
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Blizzard is perfectly capable of making any kind of game. However, I would expect them to make intelligent business decisions regarding the products they develop. Even though WoW is aging it is still a massive cash cow for them and I don't think Blizzard's next MMO is going to be competing in the exact same market.
I would expect that Blizzard's next MMO is going to something entirely different, though I highly doubt they will go as old school as UO. People can crap on Blizzard all they want but Blizzard has the money and talent to make whatever the hell they want. If I was planning projects for them I would look into how we would penetrate untapped markets, not converting our WoW fanbase into a newly skinned WoW.
To get back to the OP's question: Blizzard, if it was in their best interest, *could* make the best damn UO2 ever. Unfortunately, in today's market it takes a giant to get a sandbox game right.
Yeah so far there is no other company which is capable to make a proper sandbox ( where you dont need calculator to play @eve fans
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So, what makes you think that a company that has never done anything even remotely like a sandbox game could make a sandbox game worthy of being called Ultima Online 2?
I know Blizzard are good, but they are good are what they do, not good at everything possibly imaginable ever in the world of game making.
The OP is trolling.
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I can't state a fact and say that Blizzard can do this without question. But my opinion is that they could based on their track record of developing products they previously had no experience in. And now they have a massive amount of funds and resources to hire the talent they don't have. Plus, they publish their own games so they don't have to deal with publishers pushing them to release early.
They've done:
2d side scrollers
2d RTS
2d ISO Action
3d MMO
And coming up 3d RTS and 3d Action
Contrary to belief i am not a Blizzard hater or hater of any developer,but i am a realist and look at facts.
Blizzard has released nothing but low end games,games that look like PS1 games,so for all the praise they recieve i think it is all unwarranted.Another thing people do not realize is that Blizzard keeps a lot of secrets,some can argue you like their games and they release good ones,not my point,the fact is they don't like you to know how often Blizzard fails badly
Every single one of their games has been scrapped for failure,they even tried hiring 2 other devs to make SC2,and that failed.They hired devs that were not even equipped to make Sc2,so that tells me ,Blizzard does not do any homework when comes to decisions.Blizzard still runs their games on tech that even Indie developers have surpassed,so where is all this huge overhead and budget getting Blizzard?
Here is another good one,Blizzard unlike many develpeprs ,runs a test server.Well that is great except why are they releasing updates and xpacs full of bugs?Their latest release just god awful and they had to shut down the servers.
So imo NO Blizzard could not do justice to any game,you may play it and CLAIM to like it as a fanbois of Blizzard,but if someone like me comes a long and critiques the effort,it will probably fail badly.
Now in saying/showing some of Blizzard's lack of hi nd skills,they do have a lot of money and are not afraid to spend it,case in point bought Redneck Rampage..lol,why on earth idk ,but whatever.Blizzard is also willing to spend outside of Blizzard to have others develop for them.Blizzard has also recently licensed hi end Havok Physx,they have licensed another game engine as well,so they are at least if not capable of their own developing tools are capable of buying the best options available to them.So fro mthat standpoint,they could give a new UO the tools to make it a really great game,but until we see Blizzard's next work,we won't know if they just wasted money on tools/software,but put no effortt into using it.
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They rule the themepark genre. I see no reason why they shouldn't try to dominate the sandbox or f2p markets as well. I can almost guarantee at this point, from wow's success, that anything they make will get played, and by a lot of people. Clearly Blizzard is talented in making games. I would like to think they'd make an excellent sandbox mmo, but who knows if they'd ever do it. I personally, don't see them being the ones to make UO2, it just doesn't seem like the type of game they're interested in. If they were, they probably would have copied more things from UO than EQ, but if they were a choice as the title would imply, I'd say yes, they'd be a good choice. Their teams have proven to be capable of making many diverse games, and just because they're king of themepark mmos, doesn't necessarily mean that is all they know how to do. I'd definately follow it, if they announced it, or any ofther sandbox type game for that matter.
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If so... I wouldn't advertise any longer over here.
No use.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
You sure dont give out the vibe of a Blizzard hatter at all in your wall of text aimed at trashing Blizzard, but keep telling yourself your not a hatter as long as it makes u sleep better at night. What exactly is a High End and Low End game btw O.O? Let us assume that by high end you meant "very good graphics". Why would I as a developer make a High End game which costs more when I can get a monopoly on the market with a "low end" WoW game which costs me less to develop and the users less to run. The strength of a game compay is not in its ability to make eye kandy but an enjoyable and successful game. I am pretty sure u are one of those Vanguard Saga of Heros fanboys who got burned badly by the game and can NOT STAND to see another company as successful as Blizzard be mentioned on any forum posts. Go play that "High End" game...or better still go play AoC or Aion I hear the graphica KICK ASS.
I often find it strange what you try to present as facts.
Strangely enough most people in the gaming industry would say that there are several blizzard games that are some of the most renowned and popular games in the entire history of pc gaming. Calling anyone who might agree with that a fanboi is hardly compelling evidence to support your facts.
If that is what you call a failure I would enjoy seeing what makes it into your book as a success.
The only real tangible thing you presented was that blizzard doesn't present ultra high levels of graphic technology in their games and they are not afraid to high outside developers to help build their games.
If blizzard did decide to make a UO2 style sandbox game I feel 1 of 2 possibilites would happen. It would be an exceptional game that millions of people enjoy, or it would be awful and no one would ever get the chance to play a commercial release of the game, because blizzard would just scrap the project instead of dumping a horrible game on the market.
They stole nothing, if Humans wouldn't innovate on the accomplishment of others, we still would sit around and figure out how to make fire.
Well you may or may not be a fanboi, but you most definitely ARE ignorant, since even by the admission of the original WoW development team they borrowed massively from EverQuest & other MMO's that were around during development, and have only continued to borrow - such as taking WAR's book of knowledge & turning it into WoW's achievement system..a pale imitation though it is, Innovation is a word Blizzard could only really very tentatively be associated with.
Also I can't see EA letting go of the UO I.P. anytime soon, so unless EA & Activision got iunto a merger I don;t see it happening, but if it should ever be the case that Blizzard came to be owners of the I.P. I really don;t think they could do the game justice, I don't think anyone could though, because the mythology & nostalgia surrounding UO which makes it so legendary isn't really reflective of what the game is today, & would overshadow any new version too much for it to be successful.
Also I can't see EA letting go of the UO I.P. anytime soon, so unless EA & Activision got iunto a merger I don;t see it happening, but if it should ever be the case that Blizzard came to be owners of the I.P. I really don;t think they could do the game justice, I don't think anyone could though, because the mythology & nostalgia surrounding UO which makes it so legendary isn't really reflective of what the game is today, & would overshadow any new version too much for it to be successful.
Mythic ain't the pioneers on the achievement system, EQ "borrowed" a ton of stuff from other games just as UO did. So basically it boils down to what came first, the egg or the chicken, so just lets stop splitting hairs here.
Actually the "achievements" that came with Wotlk were taken from the Xbox achievements system. Blizzard ack'd this several times. It shows Blizzard doesn't avoid the origins of some if its ideas (like EQ, D&D pen paper or XBox), but the lore of Warcraft since 1994 is not linked with WH TT at all (both games came from the D&D fantasy kind of games - and the first fantasy miniatures games was Chainmail back in the 70's (from D&D author Gary Gygax).
The WOW achievement system... is actually not comparable with the Tome of Knowledge in that - in the long run - it will be even implemented across games on BattleNet. In fact it will be one of the main features of BattleNet Gaming (and so a close cousin of the XBox achievement play).
The Tome of Knowledge was one of the very few features in War that succeeded. It was an excellent intro and link to the various War lore departments. But the problem was that the game itself was as far from WH TT as could be.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
If EA haven't been able to make UO2 in all this time then it's doomed into oblivion.
They have had enough time to make the sequal and that should tell you something.
And no Blizzard wouldn't be a good choice.
There is a game in beta that supposedly is like UO and it's called "something" Realms.
No not Free Realms thats a SOE game.
All those memories will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.
No. Blizzard makes games too easy, too much "on rails", and takes far too long to get new games and expansions out.
Blizzard is out of the running as an MMO company, as far as I am concerned.
I would say no. Im a huge fan of diablo and warcraft the rts. As a mmo i dislike what Blizard has done with it, if UO 2 was to be made I wouldnt want it to be casual and easy to play and achieve good gear. Blizzard has to take the majority of the blame for the casual gaming era we are in now. If you asked me should blizzard make a UO hack and slash diabloesque i would say HELL YEA.
I suppose you think that mythic was also the pioneer of public quests too?
Both games were developing their own achievement systems at the same time, because they were both borrowing the idea from other sources. Even lotro had something along these lines long before either game and even that was borrow from another source.
Most of what people talk about on these forums as being innovation is actually just evolution of already existing game mechanics.
People need to be concerned more with who does something BETTER rather than who apparently does it first. Every concept in a MMO is borrowed from single player games anyway, so who's borrowing from whom and who the hell cares? If you're more concerned with an original yet badly designed feature, than a well designed borrowed feature, you're just a fringe KOOK who's probably forgotten how to enjoy anything;)
In the end, NOBODY really cares who does something first. They only care who makes it FUN. Spout creation dates and chicken and the egg arguments until you're blue in the face. The industry doesn't care and neither do most rational thinking gamers. The best designed games get played, original or not. The lousy games get ignored, ORIGINAL, UNIQUE, GROUNDBREAKING or not. If its not fun, its not fun. The gamers decide...the audience...the paying public, not the developers, nor reviewers, nor advertisers or anyone on a forum who thinks they know best.
Its a fact that every game Blizzard makes is a great game. A personal opinion doesn't trump millions of people, critics or the professional developers community. If Blizzard wanted to make UO2, they would do a fantastic job like they do with every game they release. Spiteful, immature angst means nothing.