Because he does not have valid points. He thinks of himself as a hero bringing the truth to the people. He became so obsessed with his job that even when the game is obviously improving he tries to depict it as worst game ever. He had some valid points but all points vanished in thin air and now not only he is twisting the truth as we are used to from him ... he is straight out LYING. Sieges are fixed, T3 content is not even completed, new 6 man are being played 24/7 (HM- IT and Xiba and every lowbie goes to grab the epic cloak from Amphiteare - because it is probly better than dragon cloak)
(I hope AoC adds 20 bosses in T4 just to shut him up ... comparing the game to WoW is madness) -he is just that hero that no one needs anymore.
And he is not alone ... jackdog started to behave just like he does when he had nothing to bash in game.
(And btw finaticd - there are very few pugs that can even complete T2 and there is no pug that can do it in 3 hours UNLESS pug means experienced people on vent who just happen to be from different guilds. Than sure ... pug can almost do it in 3 hours.)
I don't get you, why do you defend the game by spewing such obvious nonsense as "sieges are fixed"? Sure, lots of aspects have improved, PvE has surely improved substantially, but the PvP side is obviously lacking and sieges are quite simply an embarrassment to this game. The only thing that can be categorized as "fixed" regarding the sieges is that they added a mechanic enabling the defenders easier movement throughout their keep (backdoors).
"T3 is not even complete" - that could also mean the place is bugged and cocblocked by some nasty and unfair mechanic, usually that's how it was in WoW when Blizzard was still a noob when it came to controlling and designing scripted encounters.
The thing is that majority of people that play the game will only have somethig positive to say and finaticd is getting his info from official forums. The fact is people whine a lot on official forums, however he can get some valid data there.
People like finaticd & jackdog care thats why the post here.
I know for sure Jackdog gave AoC few tries and he will probably continue to do so in the future, so far he was not impressed by changes and its his right to point out all negative stuff he noticed.
I just wanted to add that I re-subbed up to AoC about a month ago and I've been having a blast. I played for about a month when launched and let it, but back again now.
This game in my eyes has come a long way and is looking to be oe of the most fun MMO's that I've played in ages. I am loving the graphics and the way things work now.
Anyone wishing to try this game them please do. Download the Trial and try as many classes as you want to level 20.
Because he does not have valid points. He thinks of himself as a hero bringing the truth to the people. He became so obsessed with his job that even when the game is obviously improving he tries to depict it as worst game ever. He had some valid points but all points vanished in thin air and now not only he is twisting the truth as we are used to from him ... he is straight out LYING. Sieges are fixed, T3 content is not even completed, new 6 man are being played 24/7 (HM- IT and Xiba and every lowbie goes to grab the epic cloak from Amphiteare - because it is probly better than dragon cloak)
(I hope AoC adds 20 bosses in T4 just to shut him up ... comparing the game to WoW is madness) -he is just that hero that no one needs anymore.
And he is not alone ... jackdog started to behave just like he does when he had nothing to bash in game.
(And btw finaticd - there are very few pugs that can even complete T2 and there is no pug that can do it in 3 hours UNLESS pug means experienced people on vent who just happen to be from different guilds. Than sure ... pug can almost do it in 3 hours.)
He is at least bringing partial truth if people here saw only positive posts then you know somethign is really really wrong with the game and Iam not talking about AoC only .. all games have certain flaws etc...
Btw Sieges are NOT fixed, yesterday we had 5th of our siege crashed in a row on Fury EU. ( and so did other sieges )
Current crash rate on Fury is around 80% so there is less then 20% that siege wont crash if both side bring 48 players.
Beside massive lag and rubberbanding and crashes there is huge bug and players that dont participate in siege are not getting ported out.
Our recent siege looked like: us (Futilez) with 48 members against Nastradir (defenders) and all of us vs RusCorp with 30+ players, Ragnorok with around 20, AD with around 18. Siege was already in progress for more then 10 minutes ( and i mean when we already had siege weapons out .. not during battle cool down) before they got ported out and beside porting them out we lost 5 of our members that were also ported out. ( 10 mins after that siege crashed )
So siege is far from fixed even devs on IRC are saying that they will need to do complete revamp as mechanics is flawed.
I cant really comment on 6 man dungeons I dont do them, dont do that many of pve raids either but they are nicely done and should keep everyone busy enough. As for mini games on Fury there is like 5 to 10 seconds wait time ( during prime time)
Some servers are pretty packed now ( no wonder as merges happend less then a month ago ) and population is good.
AoC is getting really good updates but the fact is some things are flawed for 2 years now and that should not be acceptable by todays standards .. except if some indy company is making a game.
If they manage to fix lag/siege issues and add even more PvP content ( there will be more then enough PvE one with upcoming expansion) we will see more people coming back, even finaticd may deceide to give it a chance.
Abandon this sinking ship called fury mate. According to my research Crom already has more players than Fury and ppl transfer there from Fury even now. Awquilonia is IMHO way to go
The game is very very very very linear. Yes the zones are beautifully rendered, but to me it felt like I was walking down a one way corridor compared to most other games. Everything seemed so instanced, and lacked a complete sense of freedom and exploration.
People still complaining about red latency spikes? Guess what they have been complaining about that since beta, and its been hundreds of thousands of people, its not your PC, its the game. It runs like crap. No my PC doesnt suck thanks.
Very little end game content, all of which was very easily exploited by many people before it was even 'opened to the public' as certain wings where closed off , but the walls could be walked through and all bosses soloed. Even had it worked properly the end game mechanics do not hold a candle to real pve games.
Funcom will consistantly tease you with 'upcoming features' that sounds great, but they either never come, or are implemented in a half ass fashion and are usually so buggy they break more than they fix.
Sooo many original content features still have never made it into game, and so many of what they promise I doubt will ever come either. Good luck on seeing your pvp towers anytime this year, mabey christmas if your lucky, even then they will be broken , buggy, or exploited for at leaste a month, you cannot deny this due to the companies track record.
When the game was first released you used to be able to mouse over certain abilities and it would say something like 'Nano blah blah ' or some other stat place holder that was from Anarchy Online. Really poor programming job as they didnt erase all of the text from Anarchy online and some of it carried over, so some of my stats used to read as some space age sci-fi crap.
Tortage is the bait, the rest of the game fails, is boring, dead and uninspired. Yes the graphics are great, and if thats all that matters to you, then knock yourself out. So many games offer so much more depth and creativity, unless you want to level alts in the same way/manner/fashion , you will find end game in Age of Conan is trolling the forums.
There is a reason 700,000 people quit the game and did not come back.
Wait until you see how empty the game really is after Tortage. New people? you mean new alts running around , or a bunch of unsubbed people.
There is a reason their own forums are dead, and full of negativity if the posts dont get deleted.
There are a few people who do nothing but flame people who speak bad about this game, they are either like I said Funcom employees somehow or paid by the company to give the company a better image, or again like I said a few people who think the graphics really are all that matter, paid for a year sub and are mad they dont really have a bunch of people to play with ( well mabey they do now as havnt you all been funneled into 1 server by now )
This company is full of lies , false promises, and undelivered material.
I was part of beta. I did play the game for nearly a year. I was in the guild that created the first guild city, took place in the first battlekeep sieges, I was on tyranny, I did go out and try and PVP every day.
Yes my posting history is mainly that of a negative slant toward this game, but its when people like you ask questions and I feel I should tell you from long personal experience dont buy into the marketing and tortage. If I bought a car and the dealer/manufacturer said it went 120mph and when I went to drive it it only went 80mph, I'd tell every single person that asked about the car how it was a lemon and not what it was promised to be.
Its not a PVP game, its not really a PVE game, its just a game. This you cannot deny, as there are easily 5-10 games on the market that outclass this game easily in each catagory alone. Every feature they have added to this game has been exploited both pvp and pve wise, so have fun sitting around a campfire role playing yearing for those golden days that are just on the horizon because the new game developer promised so!
I disagree. Plenty of zones have a lot of nooks and crannies to explore. I think the thing that trips people up is conan's zones are not flat areas, they make a lot of use of truly 3d environments, take connall's valley for example. It is linear IF YOU STAY ON THE GROUND. If you actually climb up the sides of the valley which a lot of quests require you to do it is much bigger than it seems initially.
There are some server specific issues but it is not a global problem. I get less latency issues on Wiccana than I've gotten in Aion when I played it for a month.
....What real pve games? The raids are very fun and dynamic, I don't understand what the issue is here.
Have you experienced the last two patches? 1.05 was a buggy mess however 1.06 was really smooth and relatively bug free.
Such as? I'm looking at the original game box now. Nothing that is mentioned there is not in game, with the exception of maybe drunken brawling, which is honestly a completely useless mechanic that only would exist for fun purposes. The only major content update that was announced that never came was the Kingship update, and THAT was the old game director and team. Oh and the first implementation of a towers type system was released today.
Sure, that is not the case any more however.
Well this is a matter of opinion. I've had more fun with questing after tortage, and the later levels are pretty stunning.
You played on Tyranny? Tyranny killed it's own population. MMO forums are always negative, I haven't seen a single comparable MMO to AoC that DOESN'T have constant whining.
Well yeah, but once again you get those die hard defenders in every game. I'm not flaming, I'm providing a reasoned response to your post.
See you're pretty credible till you start saying crap like this.
Okay, you're disappointed with it. I'm not. I feel that the game is merely in need of a nitrous injection to get it really going again, and I think the expansion has the potential to do so. If the game had been released in the current state it is in I highly doubt that it would have had the drop off it experienced. It was released unfinished, and went through a complete dev team change as well as losing revenue. Any company would have had a hell of a time pulling it together.
This is the Bad Stuff, people are entitled to their opinion but the vast majority of gamers would agree with most the negative points posted in this thread. They in fact did and no longer play. The argument that this game is so improved it is now perfect doesn't work as no one would believe it and many of the issues at launch or created since are still in fact in this game today.
The try it out with a free trial thing is just as misleading as it was on day 1, Tortage is like a little mini solo RPG with other players running around.
Maybe the expansion will be great maybe it will be a bug fest but AoC today is pretty shallow on every level in comparison to other MMOs. People may like the graphics or whatever then fine play it, I honestly don't care what the OP plays, I'm not playing a game desperate for more players either so I do under stand where the pro AoC players come from but this thread is about "Bad Stuff" and pretty much every negative is a widely held view among the old and current players as if the game was as awesome and improved as they make it out to be, I would be playing it and instead of the population dropping a lot and needing server mergers again the game would have been growing. Estimates put the game at much lower than 100,000 k subscribers which is much higher than people who play often but estimates also put the people who tried the game 9 months ago when we also were being told AOC is awesome and improved at over 100,000 trials.
Logic would say if it was so awesome and improved at least half of those trials and win backs would resubscribe and then tell their friends and then there would be more total servers than 7 and a half. The next chance is the expansion, don't let them botch it.
But I can honestly say I have heard the "AOC has improved" argument for 2 whole years now and it is so ambiguious it is true but yet ineffective.
People go after Finaticid because he dosent tell the truth. Its not only that he is wrong in his information but he is openly missleading people and distorting facts. He is quite good at writing and arguing and therefore many people react quite a bit to his statemets. He is actually the only user on this forum I have blocked. What he writes is so far fetched that Its hard not to react to his blatantly false statements.
Finaticid is actually just like Funcom - he lies shamelessly.
Now back on topic, whats bad in AoC.
1) The most obvious is sieges on Fury. They dont work. Period!!! Its bad and it should have been fixed a long time ago.
2) The game is linear. Its thempark that holds your hand all the way.
3) The world is NOT seamless. Zones are relatively small and there are lots of invisible walls.
4) There are instances. Meaning once you have a certain number of people in a zone, new instances will open up
5) Tortage (noob area) is quite different from the rest of the game.
6) It requires a good computer to run well.
there is other stuff as well, but that can also be attributed to taste and difference of oppinion.
Thats off the top of my head.
Originally posted by BishopB:
Are a lot of the trolls just angry kids with old gaming hardware?
No I said 7 and a half servers if you add up all the players on Tyranny and those other servers you would probably get enough for half a server, most likely not though ;p But then again maybe there are 8 and a half servers.
They used to do population checks on French servers and there would be like 3 players server wide the expansion to poland and russia looks like an utter failure going by forum trafic.
OR is the AoC fans saying it is cool to have empty servers when there are so few in EU and USA? Solo experience is that fun for other countries? I remember when most servers had less than 200 players for months and the fans where saying the game was awesome and improved so I guess it is so awesome empty is cool....check out this guy having a hard time finding groups on an american server. http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=215183
You did enlighten me though as now I have more reason to believe even fewer americans play this so, I'm prouder of my brother and sister's standards. However, those servers are empty as they could no longer merge them do to locations so that will be a problem if the population does not grow.
To the OP - I left AoC sometime ago. Main reason was I was bored. FC changed game directors and direction and invested alot of time and effort into making gear more meaningful. They added some new content but mostly they changed directions.
I had played FCs other game AO and so I was hoping this would mean that there would be meaningful gear in all of the available dungeons. ( In AO some of the old content would get some play because they had a couple of items that had unique and very desirable stats. ) This approach was not taken. So, even with some new dungeon additions one you played them once there really wasn't a reason to go back. Raid gear was and is the best you can get hands down. The drop system was random so gearing out was based on the luck of the drops. I say was because it looks like they have finally given in a little and created a tolken system. I'm not sure how well this works or how long it would take you to gear out your average raid force but it certainly has to be an improvement. At one point there was a thread actively tracking raid rot.
Raid gear was made the be all end all even for PvP. Although additions were made to PvE, PvP has largely been left alone. Except for attempts to fix sieges and the addition of PvP resources. I'm not sure what the current state of seiges is, they would attempt fixes and things would get a little better but it never seemed to be 100%. Aside from the FFA of a PvP server there are mini-games of which the same 3 maps from launch are still the only options. For mini-games there is a whole pre-made vs pug argument which could simply be boiled down to a well organized team can dominate the mini-games which typically causes the less adept to quit and reduces the amount of mini-games that pop. The PvP content could really use a reason for being. There are some buffs for owning a battle keep. You can also get PvP XP and PvP armor, however, raid gear is typically better. There just doesn't seem to be any game purpose to PvP it really is all player goals. Nothing wrong with that but IMO it seems like there could be and should be more to it.
For me, the end game just didn't provide enough. FC did not have the reasources to provide enough new interesting things to keep me from quiting. They do seem to fix issues all be it at a slow and painful pace at times. I imaging they are still a little thin and most effort is being put into the expansion. For you this might not be a bad time IF the expansion comes out in a timely manner and provides some much needed varity.
Just my 2 cents I'm neither a hater or a lover of AoC. Hope this is helpful.
thanks guys. it seems most of the game is quite different from Tortage, which is a shame cuz that area is superbly done. i will give this some more tought, and maybe wait until after the xpac for a re-review. i need to see more pvp improvements. love the combat system. as i said, dont really care about raids.
Actually had to do work this morning or I would have posted earlier Sonoggi.
OK I'm one of those that like the game, this is my first time playing and I'm only in my mid-30's for leveling. So from a fan's point of what's wrong .....
First off the thing to remember is although AoC was conceived to be a Pvp game, it was actually designed and developed as a PvE game. Because of that Pvp's being given the short end of the stick and most of the fixes have been towards the PvE side of the house. PvE-wise the game is where is should have been 2 years ago at launch.
- Too many instances (instances here being the move from 1 zone to the next type). Tortage has to be the worst place for this, yet it's the games showcase. Tortage is a tiny little area with 3 major 'zones' off of it, 6? minor dungeons/spots off of it / them. Plus you have the Thirsty Dog Inn which is instanced in and out that you use a gazillion times a day. Some places are fairly good size and the only instance you see is the in and out and others have instances inside the instance. Now once you're off Starter Island things are better. Khemi has 2 inn's which are instanced and then 3 ways off the place. Khop Provence is a good chunk of land with 1? instance and 2 ways off of it. So while the start seems instanced, it does drop down.
The bad would be; why some things are even instanced? The inn's, little room's in Tortage and the Archeon Ruins, things like that.
Instances in the 'there's too many people in this 1 spot, clone the spot and split the players up'. Probably a carry over from when they had or hoped to have a lot of players all at once. Would have been good then, now when it pops up 'no I'm here and can't see you where are you?' 'I'm right here in front of you!' it's just a pain.
- Content. While there is enough to take your toon up to max level, there isn't enough that you could do totally new, different stuff for the next toon. You'd pretty much be hitting alot of the same. Example: Tortage Same start off the beach, then 3 different starts for the fighter / priest / rogue types, then back to the same. Leave island and go one of 3 different nations direction so start is different but after (Stygian) 2 zone (Khop Prov) you end up questing in the other nations areas. Would really have liked to have seen enough content to quest just in my nations area's all the way up to 80.
The bad would be: re-play value is weak.
- In the US you have 2 Pvp servers and 2 PvE servers. I'm on Set the (slightly) smaller of the 2 PvE servers. Lots of players in Tortage and then they get spread out over the 3 different nations areas. Even with that I still bump into players in the strangest spots so it's not all barren and single player-ish.
The bad: Need's more players. Dumping all (Pve & Pvp'ers) 'a la SWG' onto 1 server would help.
- Quests could leave more to the imagination, you get both a quest arrow and in most cases an 'X marks the spot' mark too. On the good for quest plot's / story telling I like AoC. They're not mini-novels like LotRO and being a rated M game some is riskay and down right funny. Where else can you tell an NPC dad his mute daughter would have a good career as a prostitute, since 'no one wants to hear a whore jibber jabber all the time?'.
- Too get the most out of the game, you still need a good comp rig. If you're down in the min required range don't even think about Pvp as your FPS just won't be there.
- Grouping: PUG's do seem harder to fill, Guild groups on the other hand aren't so bad. My guild even has a set weekly time table for the lower level dungeons.
- Rated M for mature, the blood factor: There is blood, and more blood, and even some more blood. On the ground, spraying in the air, on the screen etc... etc... etc.... There is also a neat little box called 'turn off Mature content' which kills a lot of that. So if you like that kind of thing it's there, and if not turn it off.
Now the trial keeps you on Tortage which as has been said isn't enough to see the game. So my suggestion is sign up for the free trial, try out different servers, professions etc.... and while doing that go on Amazon or where ever and get the cheapest AoC box you can. I paid $1.49 + S&H and got it for less than $10.00. Once in and you're ready to leave Tortage, use the game box code to get your free 30 day's of play time and explore the rest of the game and see if it's what you want or not.
If you scroll through my history, you will see that when I first started playing AOC, I was impressed. Awesome graphics, great in tortage, not so bad after tortage as some claimed, wasnt scarred by the launch since I didnt play it at launch. For me, it was more that I enjoyed Lord of the Rings Online more due to its better lore, story, and MUCH more open world..very similar to WOW with appropriate instances rather then loading screens and an entirely instanced world separating just about every zone. I like to see something far in the distance and be able to run to it and know just about everyone on the server that runs to that same area will be there too. It gives you much more of an epic feel. In this game, some of the zones are so small that the loading screens takes away from that epic feel and makes the game feel like a bunch of pieces stuck together by glue. However, keep in mind I generally played for PVE, not as much PVP. AOC is better for PVP unless you are into Monster Play in LOTRO. Anyway, they are actually both good games, AOC is defintely something I would recommend giving a try to find out if it is your thing, but for me, I just felt too disconnected from the main story and found myself not really reading or caring what the quests said..and the loading screens with that EQ2 feel was just too much for me. I did have an awesome guild and the community was actually very helpful.
I guess it depends on what you think is fun in a MMO. if you like to solo when you level up then you will probably like Conan because most of the zones are going to be empty when you get out of tortage, untill you get to keshatta the high level area.
if you like pvp then your going to be fighting a bunch of twink characters on white sands wich will probably drive you to either quit or move on to another zone because your going to get your face melted by them.
then you wont see much pvp untill you get high level because most of the zones on your way to level up are empty ( most people are max level its really easy to do so )
I loved the game when it came out, for myself i love pvp so leveling was so much fun everyday. log in try to do some quest and constantly battle others on the way. but when server pops dropped and everybody started standing around kesh dueling the game was dead to me. nothing to do at level 80 =(
maybe ask around and find out what server has the most people and try to join a good clan.
I just recently stopped playing for the second time. I played during beta and the first 6-8 months or so. I basically quit after the patch that made random people invisible i a pvp server... oh what fun. During the early days when they patched to "fix" something they broke more than they fixed. It was terrible. Yet the game overall was fun (on the Cultural PvP server known as Bane). Then they removed Bane and went FFA... wow what fun :::rolls eyes:::
When they hyped the game again after 1.05 I came back... the "new" pvp system just lent to immense amounts of people making Rangers on the Newbie Island of Torgtage to endlessly kill people in one or two hits. Sounds like fun hey? Well I'm sure it is for narcissist people. Of course my entire guilds had level 80's but what fun were they when nobody was around to kill? Weee... empty landscapes... Oh and classes are not even close to being balanced. They never have been and I doubt they will get that resolved. So if you liek to gank people in a level based game where they are many levels below you and can hang in there through the endless slaughter of you getting killed go ahead and make a new character and try the game out.
If you already have high levels players they sure go back and play alone in teh world because most long term players will be playing their alt Rangers on Tortage to try and level up their pvp faction. the game system is broken and the game is broken because of it. That is the bad stuff.
Now I will let the fan boys of Failcom have their turn at me. I won;t bother looking at this thread again, but I'm sure they will still voice their opinion of me.
Originally posted by finaticd I don't apreciate being called a liar, I asked you both many times to point where I was wrong and you did or could not. If I am mistaken it would be easy, but no, my information is not two years old. 1.05 was less than a year ago and 1.06 just came out 4 months ago....the game crashed and burned population wise during this time for lack of stuff to do and many of my points, so no "information isn't current" or "the game has improved" are both evasive and generic responses, much of what has been added is buggy or not well thought out like 1.05 the patch that added and changed the most so far.
They pointed out all of your inaccuracies multiple times. With people like you though there's little point, you see what you want to see.
Yeah the game is very close to two years ago, but that is do to:
1) The game wasn't good at release so most players left so after losing 40 million on AoC, development was at a minimum.
2) Most of the development has been placed on the expansion as Funcom probably believes releasing an expansion will bring more players back than fixing the core game.
THe AoC has improoved is pretty silly, just read my sig and the article......90% of what has improved is about marketing campaigns and 8 % is that future stuff may fix the game and the 2% that should count is they added an instance but AoC was so devoid of instances and grouping areas that AOC should have added many more and probably gave away the expansion free, which they tried to do with a 1 year sub purchase, just to make AOC even to other MMOs in terms of content.
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I don't hate or love AOC, I'm just trying to keep it real.
When was the last time you played AOC? all of your info is way too generic and outdated.
Here are my biggest gripes with the game in no particular order. I've subbed for about 1.5 years on and off and I do not engage in PvP.
1. Bit too solo friendly. AoC has some of the best dungeon encounters in the genre in my opinion but I seem to find it hard getting a team for them sometimes because my observation notices most people solo most of the way from 1 to 80.
2. Its a tad easy. This is kind of related to #1. The majority of the solo quests are not hard in the slightest. The ones that are hard aren't because they are challenging, its because you have to grind out a rare drop or fight with others for spawns.
3. Crafting is simplistic. This is probably the most relative opinion. But having played Fallen Earth and other games, I find the crafting to be a bit 'meh'. Once you hit 80, there are certain crafting proffessions that you can go from start to finish in a mere couple of hours tops.
4. Too much quick travel to be implemented in the future. For newcomers, I think this can lead to less immersion and promote a "lets see how fast i can get to 80" mentality. For vets who have 5 level 80's already, its a blessing however because it can reduce the monotony of doing the same solo quests over and over again.
5. Its a fairly linear progression from 1 to 80. No matter how many different toons one creates, you will generally be going to the same zones at the same time doing the same missions on each toon. It is a fun progression the first few times, but it can get monotonus once you get your 3rd or 4th character going.
My biggest beef, overall, was the use of 3rd party programs.
Every so often, enough that it was annoying me, I'd have someone five levels under me come up and try to gank me. I'm a bear shaman, and more than capable of holding my own in a fight, but basically, none of my stuns or knockbacks appear to work on them, they're five levels under me and kicking my ass, I cant get a single hit off on them and they move faster then hell.
Overall, gamebreaking for me, playing on a pvp server.
On top of that, people keep camping the mini-pvp spawn points. That got under my skin real quick.
Gorgeous game, but I believe I've given it up for good this time. Tired of the bullcrap and Funcom won't do anything about it. You have to provide them with video proof, and even then, they'll get a slap on the wrist for the third party crap.
My biggest beef, overall, was the use of 3rd party programs.
Every so often, enough that it was annoying me, I'd have someone five levels under me come up and try to gank me. I'm a bear shaman, and more than capable of holding my own in a fight, but basically, none of my stuns or knockbacks appear to work on them, they're five levels under me and kicking my ass, I cant get a single hit off on them and they move faster then hell.
Overall, gamebreaking for me, playing on a pvp server.
On top of that, people keep camping the mini-pvp spawn points. That got under my skin real quick.
Gorgeous game, but I believe I've given it up for good this time. Tired of the bullcrap and Funcom won't do anything about it. You have to provide them with video proof, and even then, they'll get a slap on the wrist for the third party crap.
oh man the 3rd party apps go way past that to, there was a program that spread threw this game like wild fire on the pvp servers. it let you basicly solo anything in the game, you could gear out all of your characters in a week or so of raiding by yourself. it let you see people who are invis, this program did alot of things. was funny because most people who i thought were legit players and just good at pvp turned out to be using this crap. it sucked even knowing about the program because everytime i died i would think to myself...i wonder if he is using it......
My biggest beef, overall, was the use of 3rd party programs.
Every so often, enough that it was annoying me, I'd have someone five levels under me come up and try to gank me. I'm a bear shaman, and more than capable of holding my own in a fight, but basically, none of my stuns or knockbacks appear to work on them, they're five levels under me and kicking my ass, I cant get a single hit off on them and they move faster then hell.
Overall, gamebreaking for me, playing on a pvp server.
On top of that, people keep camping the mini-pvp spawn points. That got under my skin real quick.
Gorgeous game, but I believe I've given it up for good this time. Tired of the bullcrap and Funcom won't do anything about it. You have to provide them with video proof, and even then, they'll get a slap on the wrist for the third party crap.
oh man the 3rd party apps go way past that to, there was a program that spread threw this game like wild fire on the pvp servers. it let you basicly solo anything in the game, you could gear out all of your characters in a week or so of raiding by yourself. it let you see people who are invis, this program did alot of things. was funny because most people who i thought were legit players and just good at pvp turned out to be using this crap. it sucked even knowing about the program because everytime i died i would think to myself...i wonder if he is using it......
Yep.
They're gonna kill the game, and I'm not gonna be there to whine about it. It's great that Funcom has the balls to release the new xpac, but without policing their game, they're not gonna have much of a game left at this rate. :
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I don't get you, why do you defend the game by spewing such obvious nonsense as "sieges are fixed"? Sure, lots of aspects have improved, PvE has surely improved substantially, but the PvP side is obviously lacking and sieges are quite simply an embarrassment to this game. The only thing that can be categorized as "fixed" regarding the sieges is that they added a mechanic enabling the defenders easier movement throughout their keep (backdoors).
"T3 is not even complete" - that could also mean the place is bugged and cocblocked by some nasty and unfair mechanic, usually that's how it was in WoW when Blizzard was still a noob when it came to controlling and designing scripted encounters.
@VultureSkull
The thing is that majority of people that play the game will only have somethig positive to say and finaticd is getting his info from official forums. The fact is people whine a lot on official forums, however he can get some valid data there.
People like finaticd & jackdog care thats why the post here.
I know for sure Jackdog gave AoC few tries and he will probably continue to do so in the future, so far he was not impressed by changes and its his right to point out all negative stuff he noticed.
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I just wanted to add that I re-subbed up to AoC about a month ago and I've been having a blast. I played for about a month when launched and let it, but back again now.
This game in my eyes has come a long way and is looking to be oe of the most fun MMO's that I've played in ages. I am loving the graphics and the way things work now.
Anyone wishing to try this game them please do. Download the Trial and try as many classes as you want to level 20.
Abandon this sinking ship called fury mate. According to my research Crom already has more players than Fury and ppl transfer there from Fury even now. Awquilonia is IMHO way to go
I disagree. Plenty of zones have a lot of nooks and crannies to explore. I think the thing that trips people up is conan's zones are not flat areas, they make a lot of use of truly 3d environments, take connall's valley for example. It is linear IF YOU STAY ON THE GROUND. If you actually climb up the sides of the valley which a lot of quests require you to do it is much bigger than it seems initially.
There are some server specific issues but it is not a global problem. I get less latency issues on Wiccana than I've gotten in Aion when I played it for a month.
....What real pve games? The raids are very fun and dynamic, I don't understand what the issue is here.
Have you experienced the last two patches? 1.05 was a buggy mess however 1.06 was really smooth and relatively bug free.
Such as? I'm looking at the original game box now. Nothing that is mentioned there is not in game, with the exception of maybe drunken brawling, which is honestly a completely useless mechanic that only would exist for fun purposes. The only major content update that was announced that never came was the Kingship update, and THAT was the old game director and team. Oh and the first implementation of a towers type system was released today.
Sure, that is not the case any more however.
Well this is a matter of opinion. I've had more fun with questing after tortage, and the later levels are pretty stunning.
You played on Tyranny? Tyranny killed it's own population. MMO forums are always negative, I haven't seen a single comparable MMO to AoC that DOESN'T have constant whining.
Well yeah, but once again you get those die hard defenders in every game. I'm not flaming, I'm providing a reasoned response to your post.
See you're pretty credible till you start saying crap like this.
Okay, you're disappointed with it. I'm not. I feel that the game is merely in need of a nitrous injection to get it really going again, and I think the expansion has the potential to do so. If the game had been released in the current state it is in I highly doubt that it would have had the drop off it experienced. It was released unfinished, and went through a complete dev team change as well as losing revenue. Any company would have had a hell of a time pulling it together.
This is the Bad Stuff, people are entitled to their opinion but the vast majority of gamers would agree with most the negative points posted in this thread. They in fact did and no longer play. The argument that this game is so improved it is now perfect doesn't work as no one would believe it and many of the issues at launch or created since are still in fact in this game today.
The try it out with a free trial thing is just as misleading as it was on day 1, Tortage is like a little mini solo RPG with other players running around.
Maybe the expansion will be great maybe it will be a bug fest but AoC today is pretty shallow on every level in comparison to other MMOs. People may like the graphics or whatever then fine play it, I honestly don't care what the OP plays, I'm not playing a game desperate for more players either so I do under stand where the pro AoC players come from but this thread is about "Bad Stuff" and pretty much every negative is a widely held view among the old and current players as if the game was as awesome and improved as they make it out to be, I would be playing it and instead of the population dropping a lot and needing server mergers again the game would have been growing. Estimates put the game at much lower than 100,000 k subscribers which is much higher than people who play often but estimates also put the people who tried the game 9 months ago when we also were being told AOC is awesome and improved at over 100,000 trials.
Logic would say if it was so awesome and improved at least half of those trials and win backs would resubscribe and then tell their friends and then there would be more total servers than 7 and a half. The next chance is the expansion, don't let them botch it.
But I can honestly say I have heard the "AOC has improved" argument for 2 whole years now and it is so ambiguious it is true but yet ineffective.
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
US: 4 servers
English EU: 4 servers
Russia/Poland: 2 Servers
France: 2 servers
Germany: 2 servers
In total: 14 servers.
People go after Finaticid because he dosent tell the truth. Its not only that he is wrong in his information but he is openly missleading people and distorting facts. He is quite good at writing and arguing and therefore many people react quite a bit to his statemets. He is actually the only user on this forum I have blocked. What he writes is so far fetched that Its hard not to react to his blatantly false statements.
Finaticid is actually just like Funcom - he lies shamelessly.
Now back on topic, whats bad in AoC.
1) The most obvious is sieges on Fury. They dont work. Period!!! Its bad and it should have been fixed a long time ago.
2) The game is linear. Its thempark that holds your hand all the way.
3) The world is NOT seamless. Zones are relatively small and there are lots of invisible walls.
4) There are instances. Meaning once you have a certain number of people in a zone, new instances will open up
5) Tortage (noob area) is quite different from the rest of the game.
6) It requires a good computer to run well.
there is other stuff as well, but that can also be attributed to taste and difference of oppinion.
Thats off the top of my head.
Originally posted by BishopB:
Are a lot of the trolls just angry kids with old gaming hardware?
That's only twice as much servers as he said. I think that's still very mild exaggaration by his standards.
REALITY CHECK
They need to close this thread
No I said 7 and a half servers if you add up all the players on Tyranny and those other servers you would probably get enough for half a server, most likely not though ;p But then again maybe there are 8 and a half servers.
They used to do population checks on French servers and there would be like 3 players server wide the expansion to poland and russia looks like an utter failure going by forum trafic.
http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/
OR is the AoC fans saying it is cool to have empty servers when there are so few in EU and USA? Solo experience is that fun for other countries? I remember when most servers had less than 200 players for months and the fans where saying the game was awesome and improved so I guess it is so awesome empty is cool....check out this guy having a hard time finding groups on an american server. http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=215183
You did enlighten me though as now I have more reason to believe even fewer americans play this so, I'm prouder of my brother and sister's standards. However, those servers are empty as they could no longer merge them do to locations so that will be a problem if the population does not grow.
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
To the OP - I left AoC sometime ago. Main reason was I was bored. FC changed game directors and direction and invested alot of time and effort into making gear more meaningful. They added some new content but mostly they changed directions.
I had played FCs other game AO and so I was hoping this would mean that there would be meaningful gear in all of the available dungeons. ( In AO some of the old content would get some play because they had a couple of items that had unique and very desirable stats. ) This approach was not taken. So, even with some new dungeon additions one you played them once there really wasn't a reason to go back. Raid gear was and is the best you can get hands down. The drop system was random so gearing out was based on the luck of the drops. I say was because it looks like they have finally given in a little and created a tolken system. I'm not sure how well this works or how long it would take you to gear out your average raid force but it certainly has to be an improvement. At one point there was a thread actively tracking raid rot.
Raid gear was made the be all end all even for PvP. Although additions were made to PvE, PvP has largely been left alone. Except for attempts to fix sieges and the addition of PvP resources. I'm not sure what the current state of seiges is, they would attempt fixes and things would get a little better but it never seemed to be 100%. Aside from the FFA of a PvP server there are mini-games of which the same 3 maps from launch are still the only options. For mini-games there is a whole pre-made vs pug argument which could simply be boiled down to a well organized team can dominate the mini-games which typically causes the less adept to quit and reduces the amount of mini-games that pop. The PvP content could really use a reason for being. There are some buffs for owning a battle keep. You can also get PvP XP and PvP armor, however, raid gear is typically better. There just doesn't seem to be any game purpose to PvP it really is all player goals. Nothing wrong with that but IMO it seems like there could be and should be more to it.
For me, the end game just didn't provide enough. FC did not have the reasources to provide enough new interesting things to keep me from quiting. They do seem to fix issues all be it at a slow and painful pace at times. I imaging they are still a little thin and most effort is being put into the expansion. For you this might not be a bad time IF the expansion comes out in a timely manner and provides some much needed varity.
Just my 2 cents I'm neither a hater or a lover of AoC. Hope this is helpful.
thanks guys. it seems most of the game is quite different from Tortage, which is a shame cuz that area is superbly done. i will give this some more tought, and maybe wait until after the xpac for a re-review. i need to see more pvp improvements. love the combat system. as i said, dont really care about raids.
Actually had to do work this morning or I would have posted earlier Sonoggi.
OK I'm one of those that like the game, this is my first time playing and I'm only in my mid-30's for leveling. So from a fan's point of what's wrong .....
First off the thing to remember is although AoC was conceived to be a Pvp game, it was actually designed and developed as a PvE game. Because of that Pvp's being given the short end of the stick and most of the fixes have been towards the PvE side of the house. PvE-wise the game is where is should have been 2 years ago at launch.
- Too many instances (instances here being the move from 1 zone to the next type). Tortage has to be the worst place for this, yet it's the games showcase. Tortage is a tiny little area with 3 major 'zones' off of it, 6? minor dungeons/spots off of it / them. Plus you have the Thirsty Dog Inn which is instanced in and out that you use a gazillion times a day. Some places are fairly good size and the only instance you see is the in and out and others have instances inside the instance. Now once you're off Starter Island things are better. Khemi has 2 inn's which are instanced and then 3 ways off the place. Khop Provence is a good chunk of land with 1? instance and 2 ways off of it. So while the start seems instanced, it does drop down.
The bad would be; why some things are even instanced? The inn's, little room's in Tortage and the Archeon Ruins, things like that.
Instances in the 'there's too many people in this 1 spot, clone the spot and split the players up'. Probably a carry over from when they had or hoped to have a lot of players all at once. Would have been good then, now when it pops up 'no I'm here and can't see you where are you?' 'I'm right here in front of you!' it's just a pain.
- Content. While there is enough to take your toon up to max level, there isn't enough that you could do totally new, different stuff for the next toon. You'd pretty much be hitting alot of the same. Example: Tortage Same start off the beach, then 3 different starts for the fighter / priest / rogue types, then back to the same. Leave island and go one of 3 different nations direction so start is different but after (Stygian) 2 zone (Khop Prov) you end up questing in the other nations areas. Would really have liked to have seen enough content to quest just in my nations area's all the way up to 80.
The bad would be: re-play value is weak.
- In the US you have 2 Pvp servers and 2 PvE servers. I'm on Set the (slightly) smaller of the 2 PvE servers. Lots of players in Tortage and then they get spread out over the 3 different nations areas. Even with that I still bump into players in the strangest spots so it's not all barren and single player-ish.
The bad: Need's more players. Dumping all (Pve & Pvp'ers) 'a la SWG' onto 1 server would help.
- Quests could leave more to the imagination, you get both a quest arrow and in most cases an 'X marks the spot' mark too. On the good for quest plot's / story telling I like AoC. They're not mini-novels like LotRO and being a rated M game some is riskay and down right funny. Where else can you tell an NPC dad his mute daughter would have a good career as a prostitute, since 'no one wants to hear a whore jibber jabber all the time?'.
- Too get the most out of the game, you still need a good comp rig. If you're down in the min required range don't even think about Pvp as your FPS just won't be there.
- Grouping: PUG's do seem harder to fill, Guild groups on the other hand aren't so bad. My guild even has a set weekly time table for the lower level dungeons.
- Rated M for mature, the blood factor: There is blood, and more blood, and even some more blood. On the ground, spraying in the air, on the screen etc... etc... etc.... There is also a neat little box called 'turn off Mature content' which kills a lot of that. So if you like that kind of thing it's there, and if not turn it off.
Now the trial keeps you on Tortage which as has been said isn't enough to see the game. So my suggestion is sign up for the free trial, try out different servers, professions etc.... and while doing that go on Amazon or where ever and get the cheapest AoC box you can. I paid $1.49 + S&H and got it for less than $10.00. Once in and you're ready to leave Tortage, use the game box code to get your free 30 day's of play time and explore the rest of the game and see if it's what you want or not.
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Why not rename this thread's title?
"People who don't play Age of Conan! Tell me things that are no longer true!"
Ridiculous.
Oh, wait... I should spell that in a way that the people who're posting outdated information can understand it....
Rediculous.
There, now they see.
If you scroll through my history, you will see that when I first started playing AOC, I was impressed. Awesome graphics, great in tortage, not so bad after tortage as some claimed, wasnt scarred by the launch since I didnt play it at launch. For me, it was more that I enjoyed Lord of the Rings Online more due to its better lore, story, and MUCH more open world..very similar to WOW with appropriate instances rather then loading screens and an entirely instanced world separating just about every zone. I like to see something far in the distance and be able to run to it and know just about everyone on the server that runs to that same area will be there too. It gives you much more of an epic feel. In this game, some of the zones are so small that the loading screens takes away from that epic feel and makes the game feel like a bunch of pieces stuck together by glue. However, keep in mind I generally played for PVE, not as much PVP. AOC is better for PVP unless you are into Monster Play in LOTRO. Anyway, they are actually both good games, AOC is defintely something I would recommend giving a try to find out if it is your thing, but for me, I just felt too disconnected from the main story and found myself not really reading or caring what the quests said..and the loading screens with that EQ2 feel was just too much for me. I did have an awesome guild and the community was actually very helpful.
There Is Always Hope!
I guess it depends on what you think is fun in a MMO. if you like to solo when you level up then you will probably like Conan because most of the zones are going to be empty when you get out of tortage, untill you get to keshatta the high level area.
if you like pvp then your going to be fighting a bunch of twink characters on white sands wich will probably drive you to either quit or move on to another zone because your going to get your face melted by them.
then you wont see much pvp untill you get high level because most of the zones on your way to level up are empty ( most people are max level its really easy to do so )
I loved the game when it came out, for myself i love pvp so leveling was so much fun everyday. log in try to do some quest and constantly battle others on the way. but when server pops dropped and everybody started standing around kesh dueling the game was dead to me. nothing to do at level 80 =(
maybe ask around and find out what server has the most people and try to join a good clan.
I just recently stopped playing for the second time. I played during beta and the first 6-8 months or so. I basically quit after the patch that made random people invisible i a pvp server... oh what fun. During the early days when they patched to "fix" something they broke more than they fixed. It was terrible. Yet the game overall was fun (on the Cultural PvP server known as Bane). Then they removed Bane and went FFA... wow what fun :::rolls eyes:::
When they hyped the game again after 1.05 I came back... the "new" pvp system just lent to immense amounts of people making Rangers on the Newbie Island of Torgtage to endlessly kill people in one or two hits. Sounds like fun hey? Well I'm sure it is for narcissist people. Of course my entire guilds had level 80's but what fun were they when nobody was around to kill? Weee... empty landscapes... Oh and classes are not even close to being balanced. They never have been and I doubt they will get that resolved. So if you liek to gank people in a level based game where they are many levels below you and can hang in there through the endless slaughter of you getting killed go ahead and make a new character and try the game out.
If you already have high levels players they sure go back and play alone in teh world because most long term players will be playing their alt Rangers on Tortage to try and level up their pvp faction. the game system is broken and the game is broken because of it. That is the bad stuff.
Now I will let the fan boys of Failcom have their turn at me. I won;t bother looking at this thread again, but I'm sure they will still voice their opinion of me.
They pointed out all of your inaccuracies multiple times. With people like you though there's little point, you see what you want to see.
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When was the last time you played AOC? all of your info is way too generic and outdated.
Here are my biggest gripes with the game in no particular order. I've subbed for about 1.5 years on and off and I do not engage in PvP.
1. Bit too solo friendly. AoC has some of the best dungeon encounters in the genre in my opinion but I seem to find it hard getting a team for them sometimes because my observation notices most people solo most of the way from 1 to 80.
2. Its a tad easy. This is kind of related to #1. The majority of the solo quests are not hard in the slightest. The ones that are hard aren't because they are challenging, its because you have to grind out a rare drop or fight with others for spawns.
3. Crafting is simplistic. This is probably the most relative opinion. But having played Fallen Earth and other games, I find the crafting to be a bit 'meh'. Once you hit 80, there are certain crafting proffessions that you can go from start to finish in a mere couple of hours tops.
4. Too much quick travel to be implemented in the future. For newcomers, I think this can lead to less immersion and promote a "lets see how fast i can get to 80" mentality. For vets who have 5 level 80's already, its a blessing however because it can reduce the monotony of doing the same solo quests over and over again.
5. Its a fairly linear progression from 1 to 80. No matter how many different toons one creates, you will generally be going to the same zones at the same time doing the same missions on each toon. It is a fun progression the first few times, but it can get monotonus once you get your 3rd or 4th character going.
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My biggest beef, overall, was the use of 3rd party programs.
Every so often, enough that it was annoying me, I'd have someone five levels under me come up and try to gank me. I'm a bear shaman, and more than capable of holding my own in a fight, but basically, none of my stuns or knockbacks appear to work on them, they're five levels under me and kicking my ass, I cant get a single hit off on them and they move faster then hell.
Overall, gamebreaking for me, playing on a pvp server.
On top of that, people keep camping the mini-pvp spawn points. That got under my skin real quick.
Gorgeous game, but I believe I've given it up for good this time. Tired of the bullcrap and Funcom won't do anything about it. You have to provide them with video proof, and even then, they'll get a slap on the wrist for the third party crap.
oh man the 3rd party apps go way past that to, there was a program that spread threw this game like wild fire on the pvp servers. it let you basicly solo anything in the game, you could gear out all of your characters in a week or so of raiding by yourself. it let you see people who are invis, this program did alot of things. was funny because most people who i thought were legit players and just good at pvp turned out to be using this crap. it sucked even knowing about the program because everytime i died i would think to myself...i wonder if he is using it......
Yep.
They're gonna kill the game, and I'm not gonna be there to whine about it. It's great that Funcom has the balls to release the new xpac, but without policing their game, they're not gonna have much of a game left at this rate. :