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WE DONT NEED A MMORPG WE NEED A MMOFPS

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  • wankydrakewankydrake Member Posts: 43

    I tried it didnt like it it felt like a lego game being arma2 so many controls it felt more like one of those simulator plane games

  • AxehiltAxehilt Member RarePosts: 10,504
    Originally posted by Einherjar_LC


    Thanks for the response. 
    I don't necessarily agree with your perception of FE and it's combat mechanics, but I understand better where you're coming from and what you're looking for! 



     

    Well yeah, like my sig says I've only dabbled in the trial of FE.  All I know is it felt like there were strong non-skill factors (like gear and advancement) affecting my ability to perform well in combat.  And I got the impression that a char under a week old won't be able to accomplish anything a 6+ month character would.  Which is completely fine ( I like RPGs too) but that's why it's a MMORPG rather than a MMOFPS.

     

    "What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver

  • IAmMMOIAmMMO Member UncommonPosts: 1,462

    Planetside 2 on the way dude, MMOFPS that modern shall be given to us!  Dice is taking the Battliefield series after BF3 to a MMOFPS.

  • wankydrakewankydrake Member Posts: 43

    Link, or Lies. . . . . . . . . . . . . ..

  • wankydrakewankydrake Member Posts: 43

    So ya a mmo company needs to see this thread and get to work on it

    K Thx Bai.

  • wankydrakewankydrake Member Posts: 43
    Originally posted by wankydrake

    So ya a mmo company needs to see this thread and get to work on it
    K Thx Bai.

     

  • KruxKrux Member Posts: 274

    Darkfall is a great MMOFPS/TPS with the most sandboxy, open, free-form game-play environment on the market today.  I dont like tight restriction on First-Person View, as opposed to Third-Person view, but it works great in Darkfall.

     

    Also, the most dynamic, open-environment, free-form combative game-play in a persistent world coming down the pipe is also All Points Bulletin.

  • DaywolfDaywolf Member Posts: 749

    Originally posted by wankydrake

    Originally posted by wankydrake

    So ya a mmo company needs to see this thread and get to work on it

    K Thx Bai.

     

    month old self reply bump? Why not repost?...

    Publishers don't see the money in it, that's why. Maybe Black Prophecy. See ya for next months self-bump.

    M59, UO, EQ1, WWIIOL, PS, EnB, SL, SWG. MoM, EQ2, AO, SB, CoH, LOTRO, WoW, DDO+ f2p's, Demo’s & indie alpha's.

  • wankydrakewankydrake Member Posts: 43

    Originally posted by Daywolf

    Originally posted by wankydrake


    Originally posted by wankydrake

    So ya a mmo company needs to see this thread and get to work on it

    K Thx Bai.

     

    month old self reply bump? Why not repost?...

    Publishers don't see the money in it, that's why. Maybe Black Prophecy. See ya for next months self-bump.

    And thats y publishers will keep failing at all these mmos they spend millions on cause they cant think out side the box.Lewl at your " elves vs orcs " . See ya next month :)

  • TealaTeala Member RarePosts: 7,627

    I'd love for some game company to create a well made MMORPG/FPS that had the same kind of character development we see in Mount and Blade and use M&B's combat mechanics.   That would just make my day.

  • DaywolfDaywolf Member Posts: 749

    Originally posted by wankydrake

    Originally posted by Daywolf


    Originally posted by wankydrake


    Originally posted by wankydrake

    So ya a mmo company needs to see this thread and get to work on it

    K Thx Bai.

     

    month old self reply bump? Why not repost?...

    Publishers don't see the money in it, that's why. Maybe Black Prophecy. See ya for next months self-bump.

    And thats y publishers will keep failing at all these mmos they spend millions on cause they cant think out side the box.Lewl at your " elves vs orcs " . See ya next month :)

    Elves vs. orcs? *ponders* you mean Black Prophecy? No, it's a space PvP, looks a bit like Eve but unrelated as it seems mainly PvP... and very instanced though. Did you try Planetside and World War II Online? Both worth some time, though PS is dead and no idea the state of WWIIOL, but was less now when I last played. Then another... can't think of the name now... fantasy type but got shut down.

    They just barely stay afloat. I dig them, especially PS for a couple years, but the failure has been 100% so realistically I just don’t see a publisher picking one up anytime soon, not when there is money to be had making the WoW buster which costs about the same to make... and loose. Look to indie for this sub genre, like the one I mentioned, or another if there is. Publishers don't want new ideas, they spit at the box, just want to chase car tires and squirt at fire hydrants with the same worn out hype. *shrugs*

    M59, UO, EQ1, WWIIOL, PS, EnB, SL, SWG. MoM, EQ2, AO, SB, CoH, LOTRO, WoW, DDO+ f2p's, Demo’s & indie alpha's.

  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148Member CommonPosts: 6,690

    I believe Dust514 will be a mmofps but for the console as well as Undead Labs zombie mmo. We won't see these for awhile though.

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  • wankydrakewankydrake Member Posts: 43

    Originally posted by Daywolf

    Originally posted by wankydrake


    Originally posted by Daywolf


    Originally posted by wankydrake


    Originally posted by wankydrake

    So ya a mmo company needs to see this thread and get to work on it

    K Thx Bai.

     

    month old self reply bump? Why not repost?...

    Publishers don't see the money in it, that's why. Maybe Black Prophecy. See ya for next months self-bump.

    And thats y publishers will keep failing at all these mmos they spend millions on cause they cant think out side the box.Lewl at your " elves vs orcs " . See ya next month :)

    Elves vs. orcs? *ponders* you mean Black Prophecy? No, it's a space PvP, looks a bit like Eve but unrelated as it seems mainly PvP... and very instanced though. Did you try Planetside and World War II Online? Both worth some time, though PS is dead and no idea the state of WWIIOL, but was less now when I last played. Then another... can't think of the name now... fantasy type but got shut down.

    They just barely stay afloat. I dig them, especially PS for a couple years, but the failure has been 100% so realistically I just don’t see a publisher picking one up anytime soon, not when there is money to be had making the WoW buster which costs about the same to make... and loose. Look to indie for this sub genre, like the one I mentioned, or another if there is. Publishers don't want new ideas, they spit at the box, just want to chase car tires and squirt at fire hydrants with the same worn out hype. *shrugs*

    I wasent calling Black porphecy ors vs elves but yes i have tried planetside i played from beta intill last year cus i got tired of all the hackers. Thats the reason y i said we need somethen new like mmofps with 3 factions or maybe more, for instance the 300+ NC trying to take the base from TR while the VS trying to take the base aswell with no npcs in the game any1 u kill is a living breathing person like you. Thats the epicness a mmofps should be like with no instaceing. Im just burnt out on this magical warrior pvp and raids with all these lame mmo's.

     

    Sry for grammer... i dont use it when im intoxicated.

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441

    Originally posted by wankydrake

    Any 1 else feel's this way seriously the only 1 i think that was mainsteam was Planetside. Millions can agree that game could of been the best mmo made in history if Sony didnt screw it up. Most main stream games for the past years where rpgs same ol fanstacy slay this be a hero of that heal etc etc.

    Agree?

    Disagree?

    Yes and no. I think we need both RPGs and FPS games in the MMO genre.

    But APB is a MMOFPS game so there are some upcoming. 

    The really big difference between them is that your own skill decide who wins in a FPS (and a action game like Diablo) while your characters skills are the important thing in a RPG. RPG also have a story and npcs while FPS and action games have something like "it is WW2 and the Germans occupied France" or "Your team was sent down to an outpost that stopped answering and there are aliens there" and vendors have no personality, or often even logic to be there.

    The main difference between action games and FPS is the fact that FPS is first person while action games have a perspective like Diablo and Dungeon siege.

    I see a market for MMOFPs, MMOAGs (action games) and MMORPGs. The more MMOs differs from eachother the better, it is easier to find one that is right for you or me then, we like different things and sometimes it is nice to play something different from what you usually plays.

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441

    Originally posted by Teala

    I'd love for some game company to create a well made MMORPG/FPS that had the same kind of character development we see in Mount and Blade and use M&B's combat mechanics.   That would just make my day.

    Yeah, many of us wish for a MMO version of M & B. Paradox should work together with someone competent to make it, they don't have the expertise or the money themselves for a MMO.

  • skeaserskeaser Member RarePosts: 4,208

    Originally posted by tub0rg

    Originally posted by Slineer


    Originally posted by tub0rg


    Originally posted by Slineer


    Originally posted by tub0rg

    we wont see a true mmo fps where you can fight with hundrets of people at the same time with bullet tracking and realistic weapon speeds for at least some years. most single player games still slow down the guns even today, 10 or 20 rounds a sec with hundrets of people would just explode the server cost.

    the global cd on mmo is there for a reason, and that is  not to hammer the server...

     

     We saw exactly that type of MMO 7 years ago. Not 20 rounds a second, but there are actually very few guns that fire that fast. Ever hear of a game called Planetside? No instances, servers are comprised of continents (now planets I believe). 3 faction base battles with around 450 people fighting it out with tanks, planes and a whole slew of guns to choose from. The majority of the weapons left tracers in the color of the faction that was firing the weapon. Tank shells leave smoke trails, same with rockets, etc etc etc... You can try the game out for free with 14 day trials but its doubtful you will come across a massive battle these days, still 100+ people is pretty fun.  Also, Sony is working on a sequel, so in a few years that should be pretty awesome *crosses fingers*.

     

    having  a  mouse over target check is not fps gameplay, thats what planeside did, in an fps game the path of the bullet is tracked preferbly even without infinite speed wich means on long distnace youll have to adjust your crosshair.

    cheking on client side if the mouse was over the target when you click is a joke. as was tabula rasa, thats playing a hunter with a cross hair nothing more.

     

    and 600-900 rounds a minute is every modern assault rifle even a clock 18c is capable of it.

    even a half automatic cold 1911 is cappable of 300 400 rounds a minute.

    That's not how PS works. There are plenty of guns  that have arcs on them. In addition even the ones that don't, the target had to be there when the bullet got there or no dice. You have to lead with every weapon unless you are at close range. This cross hairs over target thing is bull, you do that and you wont ever hit someone moving in PS. I will agree that most of the operations are client side, which  has lead to an onslaught of hacking, including reload hacks, rate of fire, and reticule (yes, the reticule changes as you move and fire, just like a real fps). However, there is not a single MMO on the market without hackers. With today's server technology a lot of these things could be moved server side and help mitigate hacking.

    As for the RL gun rate of fire. I honestly have no idea what any of those are, nor do I care. With a bit of simple math, you statement reads, 10-15 rounds a second is every modern assault rifle.... blah blah that's not 20 rounds a second. Then blah blah blah blah  5-6 rounds a second. Well, in PS you can go through rounds pretty quickly, I've never actually cared enough to time it, but its quite sufficient for any fun factor. Of course there are those that would argue realism, I tell them if they want realism to go get shot 50 times and die with no respawn. Realism doesn't sound so fun then. So lets have realism to an extent, but not so much that it ruins fun. Thanks.

     

    that is exatly how nearly any gun in planetside works, a sprite trial dosent change that, if at all anygun truly needs to connect with a mesh in planet side it may be the rocket launchers but i even doubt that.

     

    btw if you read my post i said 10-20 rounds a second a

    ak 47 is 600 10rps

    m4 carabine 950 15 rps

    glock 18 full auto 1100 close to 20 rps

    g3 machine gun is 1700 close to 30 rps

    and a minigun is around 3000-6000 rpm ill spare you the math on that one

    if you dont know shit about something just dont pretend to do...

    Alright, before you go claiming other people don't know shit about something, do you actually have any clue what you are talking about? For instance, the M-4's rate of fire is 700-950 rounds per minute, cyclicly.  Now, this does come up to around your 15 rounds per second estimate, on the high end, however cyclic rates of fire are only how fast the weapon itself can mechanically handle ammunition (thus how quickly it cycles) and does not take into account any tasks the shooter must take such as aiming, reloading, etc. Again, using the M-4 as an example, the maximum effective rate of fire in semi-automatic is around 45 rounds per minute and 90 rounds per minute on burst/auto. This means that in combat to attain effectivness the M-4 is fired between .75 and 1.5 times a second, much less than 15 now, isn't it?

    Sig so that badges don't eat my posts.


  • DaywolfDaywolf Member Posts: 749

    Originally posted by wankydrake

     

    I wasent calling Black porphecy ors vs elves but yes i have tried planetside i played from beta intill last year cus i got tired of all the hackers. Thats the reason y i said we need somethen new like mmofps with 3 factions or maybe more, for instance the 300+ NC trying to take the base from TR while the VS trying to take the base aswell with no npcs in the game any1 u kill is a living breathing person like you. Thats the epicness a mmofps should be like with no instaceing. Im just burnt out on this magical warrior pvp and raids with all these lame mmo's.

     

    Sry for grammer... i dont use it when im intoxicated.

     

    WWIIOL has 3 factions... but it's 2 vs. 1. If you liked simulators you would like it, but may be too slow for fast action players. But I don't know, may be dead...

    I usually have one mmofps going along with two regular mmorpg subscriptions or more. But with them dead, only mmorpg's now... though I mostly PvP in those at this point, but it's not as good as a pure pvp mmo. Silly publishers, it's a fun genre when not abused, but I bet something will come along soon enough.

    M59, UO, EQ1, WWIIOL, PS, EnB, SL, SWG. MoM, EQ2, AO, SB, CoH, LOTRO, WoW, DDO+ f2p's, Demo’s & indie alpha's.

  • jusomdudejusomdude Member RarePosts: 2,706

    I want to play a good MMOFPS too... one with large PvP battles, and good character progressions, along with large open worlds, instead of all these instanced games. As far as I know, nothing like this exists yet.

     

    GIVE IT TO ME NOW!

  • wankydrakewankydrake Member Posts: 43

    Originally posted by Daywolf

    Originally posted by wankydrake


     

    I wasent calling Black porphecy ors vs elves but yes i have tried planetside i played from beta intill last year cus i got tired of all the hackers. Thats the reason y i said we need somethen new like mmofps with 3 factions or maybe more, for instance the 300+ NC trying to take the base from TR while the VS trying to take the base aswell with no npcs in the game any1 u kill is a living breathing person like you. Thats the epicness a mmofps should be like with no instaceing. Im just burnt out on this magical warrior pvp and raids with all these lame mmo's.

     

    Sry for grammer... i dont use it when im intoxicated.

     

    WWIIOL has 3 factions... but it's 2 vs. 1. If you liked simulators you would like it, but may be too slow for fast action players. But I don't know, may be dead...

    I usually have one mmofps going along with two regular mmorpg subscriptions or more. But with them dead, only mmorpg's now... though I mostly PvP in those at this point, but it's not as good as a pure pvp mmo. Silly publishers, it's a fun genre when not abused, but I bet something will come along soon enough.

    I tried it before but im going to download it agian to see how it is, the last time i played it it was so slow and i never really saw any 1 in it but eh dont hurt to try agian. The videos on youtube make it look fun but people that told me about it its like Americas Army within a mmofps with a lot of waiting better then nothin tho :-/

  • DaywolfDaywolf Member Posts: 749

    Originally posted by wankydrake

    with a lot of waiting better then nothin tho :-/

    They changed that with the Battleground Europe update. So players are TP'ed into the conflict. Used to be conflicts could break out anyplace, and often small skurmishes if you were lucky to not pull a quiet guard duty. Now the players direct the stratgy and TP's open for the conflict.

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