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Did Aventurine scam many people?
It was said in the past by Aventurine that there is a totally different operator for the North American version of this game and that was the reason why they charged people again for buying the NA client when people already bought the EU client
But yet it seems that the only people running the NA show is Aventurine...
And in fact when you did place a paypal order for the NA client the payment went staight to Aventurine on the paypal account.
So were all the people who paid twice for the same exact client simply ripped off and lied too?
Please clarify.
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When they made NA server they needed another login server, another patch server, another world server...etc. It's like business putting up another chain store. Basically they get yet another "landlord" they had to pay. Thats why they needed extra cash from players to set it up because players emanded them for NA server when their economy was already running off vapors.
Paid character transfers happened simply because they had to pay for additional people to make the, transfering thousands of clients from database A to database B, to happen
This was discussion from 6 months ago.
The rights to EU version belongs to Audio Visual Enterprises and you should know it because you accept the EULA everytime prior to login.
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Do people actually read that? Ive played prolly 15 diffrent MMO's and many betas and have never ever read any of those.
Its like reading the instruction manual to something..
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nerds read them. everyone should actually read tos.
Going to have to agree with Darth on this one... dead horse subject.
I was very vocal at the time when this happened, but what's done is done.
Enough was said at the time that it's really pointless to re-hash it again 6 months later.
" The rights to EU version belongs to Audio Visual Enterprises "
Then why did the paypal payment go straight to Tasos's paypal email and Aventurine?
AudioVisual can't open their own accounts?
hmmmmmm
hmmm right so because on NA Aventurine do self publish.
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Its not really that big of a conspiracy. If you play wow you pay blizzard and not Activision, if you play WAR, you pay EA Mythic and not EA
But I don't pay the CEO or PR man of either of those companies directly do I? A slight difference there but I wouldn't expect fawnbois to recognize that.
BTW both servers are run by the same provider so no there was no need to set up a new login server, etc... Same provider, same backbone, same hardware farm..nice try but as usual in the world of DF incorrect fawnboi gibberish.
The NA servers have a different publisher and contract. Audio Visual runs things on the Europe end of the deal.
Also, they said NA players would be acomodated 3 months after NA launch, if they didn't want to buy another client they would let you character transfer. And that's just exactly what they did. 3 months after NA launch they had free character transfers for about... 4 months. So they stuck with their word.
If you want a list of games that make you buy the client twice for different regions... it's long.
Age of Conan, Dark Age of Camelot, World of Warcraft, Vanguard, just a few off the top of my head.
True, most other games do require double payment, however, those games dont make statements saying that NA players would be taken care of.
AV made it extremely vague and encouraged players to go ahead and play and everything would be fine. They then claimed that the na version was a seperate company, well... its not. Its a LLC owned by AV. If you pay via paypal your paying Tasos.
So yes, it was a scam, and yes they lied to you. Pretty cut and dried. You can either continue to pay them a sub or decide not to.
The NA players were taken care of. The only statement AV ever gave out was that NA players would be accomodated 3 months after NA launch, with character transfers. That's EXACTLY what happened. They were taken care of. They were given free transfers from EU to the NA server.
Also, how do you know what their publishing deals are?
Actually they stated in an interview that NA players were welcome to play on the EU server and would be taken care of "at release" of the new servers. This quote was used against them when at release they required a fee or you could wait three months. Granted their statement was vague... but it did say at release.
As for their publishing deals, they are selfpublishing, they have said this many times. The week of NA release Tasos also did a interview on a fan site, and when asked about the NA company, he said that it was a LLC of AV, solely owned by AV.
So... not sure where you are confused.
The trolls have gotten so pathetic around here...lol
think pyro the pyro people are the same person?
remember when the DF haters and "skeptics" were saying DF would be dead in 6 months and no players?
Darkfall has given me much more thrills an adrenaline in one year than my past 4 years of playing mmos and I laugh in the face of those idiots who thought AV was out to scam people, DF was vaporeware, and all those other moronic accusations by rabid haters whom were disgruntled for one rediculous reason or another. Just the lamentings of spoilt children and WoW vacationers really, those who aren't used to the thrill of risk vs reward and a harsh world.
There was definitely a lot of smack talk being thrown this time last year, and most of it was due to AV's poor handling of the launch and simply not talking to its customers. Over the past year they have gotten a tad bit better, but if you think DF doesnt have its problems then you are further gone than the trolls you are mocking.
In the grand scheme of things the whole Eu NA deal isnt really that big. It did cost AV customers, but DF seems to be sticking it out. It isnt the success it could have been by any means, and they have a long way to go, but I dont think the game is dying anytime soon.
However, most post is about statements av made, they arent troll comments, simply pasting what tasos has already said. If that makes me a troll so be it.
So whats the name of the publisher and contract for NA?
if you search av's forums back around last summer, you will see a interview done for a fansite by tasos. It was a rather small fansite, but when asked about who was running it tasos said (and Im paraphrasing) "AV LLC is running our NA servers, which is a wholely owned subsidiary of us. Basically we are self publishing"
I used to have the links all saved in my sig here back when I got rather pissed they were double charging us, but have since reformated and lost them. You can scan some of my old posts from back then here, or simply search the archive for the info.
"Just the lamentings of spoilt children and WoW vacationers really, those who aren't used to the thrill of risk vs reward and a harsh world."
You hear that, kids? DFO makes you tough.
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it was a money grab plain and simple, anyone who tries to justify it is pretty stupid. That said it is a dead horse issue, most of the people who chose to stay spent extra money, those who did not , have long since cancelled and will not likely return.
But it didn't cost extra money. People who paid for a new account did so because they wanted to experience the launch land rush. I, and many others, told them to wait for the transfers, that it would be free, and that you wuoldn't lose any character progression. We were right.
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