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  • TkyleTkyle Member UncommonPosts: 33

     Omg this guy is nuts! He come back and opened thread up again just so he can delete more posts, then he closed it again!  Swear he's unstable! How does he keep a job doing this? lol

  • WraithoneWraithone Member RarePosts: 3,806

    Originally posted by Tkyle



     Omg this guy is nuts! He come back and opened thread up again just so he can delete more posts, then he closed it again!  Swear he's unstable! How does he keep a job doing this? lol

    Well, when one is dealing with desperate investors, and tell them what they want to hear(rather than what they need to know), these types of things happen.  It would hardly be the first time that a group of investors got in over their heads, and picked the wrong person to bail them out in their desperation.  Its a shame, because with the community that Alganon had(willing to be patient for the most part) they could have used the time to fix the game, and then at least made some return from their investment.

    As it stands, with his behavior driving away the main asset that Alganon had(its community), any real chance of getting things back on track has faded rather badly.  Absent that community, one is left with a badly flawed WoW clone, thats unlikely to attract a significant player base. Especially with him insisting that anyone who doesn't agree with him leave or be banned.  As I stated previously, subjecting ones **customers** to a constant stream of threats, insults and over the top antics is hardly the way to keep them as customers.

    "If you can't kill it, don't make it mad."
  • ElmarollyElmarolly Member Posts: 60

    "ps: Do you know how I picked out my forum name (BVRBandit)? It is a combo of Beyond Visual Range and Bandit. Both are terminologies used in aerial combat engagement. In the case of my forum name, I'm the bandit who is BVR and thus you'll never see coming. So go ahead, try and disrupt the forums."

    Well atleast the bully changed the "my" to "the" in his post.

    See he is not a bad guy..... "runs off laughing"

     

    Take care and have fun

  • WraithoneWraithone Member RarePosts: 3,806

    Originally posted by Elmarolly



    "ps: Do you know how I picked out my forum name (BVRBandit)? It is a combo of Beyond Visual Range and Bandit. Both are terminologies used in aerial combat engagement. In the case of my forum name, I'm the bandit who is BVR and thus you'll never see coming. So go ahead, try and disrupt the forums."

    Well atleast the bully changed the "my" to "the" in his post.

    See he is not a bad guy..... "runs off laughing"

     

    Take care and have fun

     

    Well, let it never be said that he doesn't have some entertaining elements to his antics.  Difficult to believe that such comes from someone in their 40's.  It sounds more like what we got from recruits in their *early* 20's ^^

    "If you can't kill it, don't make it mad."
  • ElmarollyElmarolly Member Posts: 60

    That is so very true. I never got the chance to talk to David Allen. I did get some time in talking to some of the dev team and they are a group of fantastic people. They really did fit well with the mature and level headed players.

    So if the game does fail, which I hope it does not. Then mister bully can take his show somewhere else and not have anyting to worry about. I just have to wonder how long it will be before we hear about his next "great" <=== laughs game. I for one will not even touch a game that Mr Bully tries to put out. Like they say, let you wallet speak. Might get lucky and the bugger will go bankrupt again and we will never hear from him again. One can dream.

    Sadly Wraith, after speaking to some of the regs on the forums. They have said from the bully actions of Mr Smart on the forums that they are done with the game.  Is he really in his 40's?.... one would never guess it from the way he treats the customers of the investors.  Hell "teenagers" working at a fastfood place has more respect for the customers then Mr Smart does.

     

    Wait and see I guess.....

     

    Take care and have fun.

     

  • sampojsampoj Member Posts: 2

    Am I nuts or is this Derek on his own board trying to make the game sound good? Looks a lot like the writing style of the master.

     

    http://www.alganon.com/forums/index.php?/topic/4711-confessions-of-a-beta-tester/

  • TkyleTkyle Member UncommonPosts: 33

     Hah! Yeah I wouldn't be suprised if it's not him trying to make things look all good!  Nobody posts like that, looks so fake.

  • WraithoneWraithone Member RarePosts: 3,806

    Originally posted by Tkyle



     Hah! Yeah I wouldn't be suprised if it's not him trying to make things look all good!  Nobody posts like that, looks so fake.

    Interesting... Did you notice the posters name?... ^^

    "If you can't kill it, don't make it mad."
  • sampojsampoj Member Posts: 2

    The poster's name was actually the only thing that made me think it wasn't Derek. Who would use a name so close to his own? IIRC Derek used to do it way back on usenet when the Battlecruiser 3000AD 'debates' were still going on :)

  • WraithoneWraithone Member RarePosts: 3,806

    Originally posted by sampoj



    The poster's name was actually the only thing that made me think it wasn't Derek. Who would use a name so close to his own? IIRC Derek used to do it way back on usenet when the Battlecruiser 3000AD 'debates' were still going on :)

    Or perhaps he expected people to think that he would never use something that close? Remember how twisted some of those usenet "discussions" got?...<grin>  It could also be someone else entirely. Its difficult to tell in these things<shrug>

    "If you can't kill it, don't make it mad."
  • SlyLoKSlyLoK Member RarePosts: 2,698

    Originally posted by parrotpholk



    You know what the absolute worst part of all this is?  The fact he has an easy out on when the game and company shuts down.  He can point at DA and crew and place blame while taking none for running off the few players left.  I do not really imagine to many folks will hop on the S.S Derek Smart for a long and fantastic voyage.

    There is a reason why Derek surfaced with a small company like QOL.. Everyone knows who he is and how he acts. No one wants to work with him or have him anywhere near their projects.

    He got his " degree " out of a cracker jack box btw.

  • PhelimReaghPhelimReagh Member UncommonPosts: 682

    Originally posted by Kalefen

    I see why a lot of folks feel rubbed the wrong way when Mr. Smart posts - he is more of a military man and believes a strong voice is how one directs...

    These are the kind of words that come from a person who has never in his life spoken to a member of any western military organization, but gets his ideas from Hollywood.

     

    Mr. Smart's actions are that of a demagogue. You don't get anywhere in the military being a total douche.

  • OyaDOyaD Member Posts: 7

    I'm sort of tired with the "oh, he's military, so acting tough is okay."  I'm not military; my family were Quakers or part of the civil rights movement.  You know, the people who stood in front of all the guys with guns and said "no" and were shot at for it.  So being "military" doesn't garner instant respect with me.   But that's beside the point;  when I purchase an MMO, I am not  signing up to do a tour of duty, I'msigning up to play a game.  That means I don't expect for the owner or customer service to jump down my throat when someone I paid for isn't working properly.  Would you honestly applaud a car dealership's "military" browbeating you when you said the car they sold you was faulty?  Would you pat the appliance shop on the back and cheer for treating you like scum and tearing up your warranty before your eyes after forking over several hundred quid for a product?  Amazingly, it seems as if there are some people who truly believe that's the best policy, but then I suppose that's only true as long as it's not happening to them personally.

    Like it or not, the game industry provides a service, and as a result they are expected to continue to provide it, or not get paid.  If it is truly THEIR game and we have no right to protest after they've taken our money, then I suggest they make a game for their friends and play it on their own, lone servers somewhere.  They won't have to worry about all of us pesky people.

  • WraithoneWraithone Member RarePosts: 3,806

    Originally posted by OyaD



    I'm sort of tired with the "oh, he's military, so acting tough is okay."  I'm not military; my family were Quakers or part of the civil rights movement.  You know, the people who stood in front of all the guys with guns and said "no" and were shot at for it.  So being "military" doesn't garner instant respect with me.   But that's beside the point;  when I purchase an MMO, I am not  signing up to do a tour of duty, I'msigning up to play a game.  That means I don't expect for the owner or customer service to jump down my throat when someone I paid for isn't working properly.  Would you honestly applaud a car dealership's "military" browbeating you when you said the car they sold you was faulty?  Would you pat the appliance shop on the back and cheer for treating you like scum and tearing up your warranty before your eyes after forking over several hundred quid for a product?  Amazingly, it seems as if there are some people who truly believe that's the best policy, but then I suppose that's only true as long as it's not happening to them personally.

    Like it or not, the game industry provides a service, and as a result they are expected to continue to provide it, or not get paid.  If it is truly THEIR game and we have no right to protest after they've taken our money, then I suggest they make a game for their friends and play it on their own, lone servers somewhere.  They won't have to worry about all of us pesky people.

    Excellent points. Players ARE customers(all too many game companies forget that).  But Mr Smarts antics and behavior are not typical of anyone(past the recruit stage) with a military background.  But I ask you, why would *anyone* having done their due diligence, place Mr Smart in such a position of power?

    "If you can't kill it, don't make it mad."
  • lowendahllowendahl Member Posts: 102

    Originally posted by Wraithone

    Excellent points. Players ARE customers(all too many game companies forget that).  But Mr Smarts antics and behavior are not typical of anyone(past the recruit stage) with a military background.  But I ask you, why would *anyone* having done their due diligence, place Mr Smart in such a position of power?

     

    It has certainly generated headlines... No such thing as bad publicity? Or it could be that they want him to run the game completely into the grounf for tax reasons. But more likely they've just been had by Smart's multiple (lousy) games shipped and manipulating personality.

     

    Edit: And agreed on the military. "Dr" Smart's antics simply wouldn't be tolerated there.

     

  • CheriseCherise Member Posts: 232

    Originally posted by OyaD



    I'm sort of tired with the "oh, he's military, so acting tough is okay."  I'm not military; my family were Quakers or part of the civil rights movement.  You know, the people who stood in front of all the guys with guns and said "no" and were shot at for it.  So being "military" doesn't garner instant respect with me.   But that's beside the point;  when I purchase an MMO, I am not  signing up to do a tour of duty, I'msigning up to play a game.  That means I don't expect for the owner or customer service to jump down my throat when someone I paid for isn't working properly.  Would you honestly applaud a car dealership's "military" browbeating you when you said the car they sold you was faulty?  Would you pat the appliance shop on the back and cheer for treating you like scum and tearing up your warranty before your eyes after forking over several hundred quid for a product?  Amazingly, it seems as if there are some people who truly believe that's the best policy, but then I suppose that's only true as long as it's not happening to them personally.

    Like it or not, the game industry provides a service, and as a result they are expected to continue to provide it, or not get paid.  If it is truly THEIR game and we have no right to protest after they've taken our money, then I suggest they make a game for their friends and play it on their own, lone servers somewhere.  They won't have to worry about all of us pesky people.

    It's been annoying seeing that "military man" stuff brought up constantly by the same poster as if it's an excuse for poor customer treatment.  Your points are very well said and I couldn't agree more.

  • ElmarollyElmarolly Member Posts: 60

     

    Mr Bully has never been in the Military. His father was a career military man. And I would image if his father was still alive he would kick Mr Bully's ass for the way he treats and has no respect for people in general. Anyone that I know of brought up with military parent or parents were taught to respect people.

    I guess he could say he was in the Military, but that is like him saying he has a REAL PHD......phd..... even after so many years that still makes me laugh out loud.

  • mindw0rkmindw0rk Member UncommonPosts: 1,356

    Originally posted by sampoj



    Am I nuts or is this Derek on his own board trying to make the game sound good? Looks a lot like the writing style of the master.

     

    http://www.alganon.com/forums/index.php?/topic/4711-confessions-of-a-beta-tester/

    That link gave me alot of laughs

  • OyaDOyaD Member Posts: 7

    I've known more than a few very abused daughters and sons of military men, so I don't buy the incredibly-noble-serviceman thing; after all, no one is going to admit their abusive or nasty - they think their behaviour is perfectly fine.  Still, it's all beside the point.  The end result being he's a rather nasty piece of work; as a result, I shan't be giving forth any funds for the game or paying his salary.  Blind faith doesn't go far for me when I'm being asked for money as well - that went out of style when tele-evangalists did.

  • WraithoneWraithone Member RarePosts: 3,806

    Originally posted by OyaD



    I've known more than a few very abused daughters and sons of military men, so I don't buy the incredibly-noble-serviceman thing; after all, no one is going to admit their abusive or nasty - they think their behaviour is perfectly fine.  Still, it's all beside the point.  The end result being he's a rather nasty piece of work; as a result, I shan't be giving forth any funds for the game or paying his salary.  Blind faith doesn't go far for me when I'm being asked for money as well - that went out of style when tele-evangalists did.

    Went out of style?? You've not seen some of the broadcasts from the heart of the bible belt, have you? ^^  I said nothing about "noble". There is nothing noble or glorious in war. Its an insane undertaking at its *best*.  But the type of petty tyrant antics demonstrated by Mr Smart have little to do with the military. That having been said, I still wish the remaining QoL technical staff all the best. They deserve more than this after more than four years of work.  Alganon had the potential to be a good niche game. Thats one of the reasons it attracted the community that it did.  Thats pretty much gone now.

    "If you can't kill it, don't make it mad."
  • SynthetickSynthetick Member Posts: 977

    Originally posted by Wraithone



    Originally posted by OyaD

    Alganon had the potential to be a good niche game. Thats one of the reasons it attracted the community that it did.  Thats pretty much gone now.

    Alganon had the potential to be a WOW clone with under 1k subscribers is about it. Spellborn had the potential to be a niche game, there's nothing for Alganon in terms of originality for it to qualify as a "good little niche" game. It's WOW with EVE studies and no finesse or polish. The only community I remember, even going back into the closed beta, to open, to their "launches" was the same 10-15 people. A clone will never be a niche game, not when the market they were trying to break into is already covered by a 8,000,000,000 lb. gorilla. There was never anything even hinting to this game being a "niche" title, it was an "alternative" that offered absolutely nothing I couldn't get anywhere else.

    Burger King isn't a niche fast-food chain because it isn't McDonald's.

     

    The community and the quality of the community is completely blown out of proportion. Not that they are there anymore. But this game has turned into a spectacle for onlookers to gawk at. I'd rather take no publicity than what they've turned the game into. None of the current antics of Derek are going to actually draw people in to but the game. Instead, he draws them in to lol @ this whole ordeal.

     

    Edit: This editor refuses to let me quote correctly.

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775

    Originally posted by Synthetick

    Originally posted by Wraithone



    Originally posted by OyaD

    Alganon had the potential to be a good niche game. Thats one of the reasons it attracted the community that it did.  Thats pretty much gone now.

    Alganon had the potential to be a WOW clone with under 1k subscribers is about it. Spellborn had the potential to be a niche game, there's nothing for Alganon in terms of originality for it to qualify as a "good little niche" game. It's WOW with EVE studies and no finesse or polish. The only community I remember, even going back into the closed beta, to open, to their "launches" was the same 10-15 people. A clone will never be a niche game, not when the market they were trying to break into is already covered by a 8,000,000,000 lb. gorilla. There was never anything even hinting to this game being a "niche" title, it was an "alternative" that offered absolutely nothing I couldn't get anywhere else.

    Burger King isn't a niche fast-food chain because it isn't McDonald's.

     

    The community and the quality of the community is completely blown out of proportion. Not that they are there anymore. But this game has turned into a spectacle for onlookers to gawk at. I'd rather take no publicity than what they've turned the game into. None of the current antics of Derek are going to actually draw people in to but the game. Instead, he draws them in to lol @ this whole ordeal.

     

    Edit: This editor refuses to let me quote correctly.

     

    The whole thing is a training wreck and many are still reading the forums here because of that.

    The new UI is like an amateure reskinning of the old one and the design seems to be done by a 13 yr old.  I highly doubt even Bilzz can save this PoS.

    In fact, i am more interesting to see the drama between Mr Smart & Mr Allen .. (wow lawuits, forum duels and what not .. now that is FUN) than the game itself. I don't need a wow clone. I am ALREADY playing WOW.

  • WraithoneWraithone Member RarePosts: 3,806

    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    Originally posted by Synthetick


    Originally posted by Wraithone



    Originally posted by OyaD

    Alganon had the potential to be a good niche game. Thats one of the reasons it attracted the community that it did.  Thats pretty much gone now.

    Alganon had the potential to be a WOW clone with under 1k subscribers is about it. Spellborn had the potential to be a niche game, there's nothing for Alganon in terms of originality for it to qualify as a "good little niche" game. It's WOW with EVE studies and no finesse or polish. The only community I remember, even going back into the closed beta, to open, to their "launches" was the same 10-15 people. A clone will never be a niche game, not when the market they were trying to break into is already covered by a 8,000,000,000 lb. gorilla. There was never anything even hinting to this game being a "niche" title, it was an "alternative" that offered absolutely nothing I couldn't get anywhere else.

    Burger King isn't a niche fast-food chain because it isn't McDonald's.

     

    I'm already playing WoW as well(four level 80's and some 60's). I wasn't looking so much at the game(though it does have potential, given Dave Allen's original vision for it), but the community was what kept me involved.  It had(before the advent of Mr Smart...) one of the best communities I've seen in years.  Thats pretty much gone now. I'm wondering if the investors know how much damage he has managed to do to Alganons most valuable asset?

    The community and the quality of the community is completely blown out of proportion. Not that they are there anymore. But this game has turned into a spectacle for onlookers to gawk at. I'd rather take no publicity than what they've turned the game into. None of the current antics of Derek are going to actually draw people in to but the game. Instead, he draws them in to lol @ this whole ordeal.

     

    Edit: This editor refuses to let me quote correctly.

     

    The whole thing is a training wreck and many are still reading the forums here because of that.

    The new UI is like an amateure reskinning of the old one and the design seems to be done by a 13 yr old.  I highly doubt even Bilzz can save this PoS.

    In fact, i am more interesting to see the drama between Mr Smart & Mr Allen .. (wow lawuits, forum duels and what not .. now that is FUN) than the game itself. I don't need a wow clone. I am ALREADY playing WOW.

     

     

     

    I'm also playing WoW(four 80's and some 60's) but thats not what attracted me to the game. It was its potential(given Dave Allens' original vision for it) and the community. It had(until the advent of Mr. Smart...) one of the best communities I've seen in years.  I wonder if the investors know how much damage Mr Smart has managed to do to Alganons most valuable asset?

    "If you can't kill it, don't make it mad."
  • ElmarollyElmarolly Member Posts: 60

    Recent part post from the forums the rest is just bullshit about the lawsuit and Mr Bully beating his chest some more.

     

    "There is a first class team in place, who with the proper guidance and direction are shining. And no matter what happens to Alganon in the long run, these guys are giving it their best shot and that is the best asset that the company and Alganon have. And thats why I have the ear of the investors because at the end of the day, it is all about trust, respect and performance.



    So, help us please. Spread the word, get you friends and family playing. I will continue to do my best to prioritize the things that ail you all. The game, being an MMO, does still have some quirks, but with the official release now out of the way, we're going to be running through those while working on things like the consignment house, a new class, companions, PvP as well as a new server code. "

     

    The team that are still there do deserve all the trust and respect. But Mr Bully has no respect for the community and gamers out there. As it has been said before, more people are interested in the drama that Smart likes to bring to the forefront then the actually game. I wonder does drama that is not on tv bring in money to the investors?. From day one he should have kept his fingers idle  and stuck  to being a "guide" to the team to make the game fit for retail release.

    But this is Mr Bully we are talking about and he likes the press he gets for being a DB to gamers that are paying customers in a very tight mmo market.

     

    Beg if you must Mr Bully but you had you chance to show gamers respect again, but like normal you think more of yourself then others.  Saying please does not make it all better.

     

     

     

  • jimsmith08jimsmith08 Member Posts: 1,039

    Theres a sticky on the forums thats just hilarious:

    These forums are not for negative postulation. Any and all such posts will be deleted.



    If you don't like the game, leave.



    If you don't think the game will survive, leave.



    If you don't think we're going to make it, leave.



    If you don't think we're developing the game exactly how you want it, leave.



    Seriously we only want positive vibes because positivity begets positivity. We are at a critical time right now and simply don't have the time or patience to deal with foolishness.



    If you want to help us, do so. If you don't, yes, you got it, LEAVE.



    There are LOTS of helpful and informative people on the forums, if you can't beat them, go ahead, join them.

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