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Too Much like COH for me
admriker444
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I havent logged on in several weeks now and today cancelled my account. The game is a blast, dont get me wrong. I had some good fun playing the instanced dungeons like maraudon and zul'farrack. However, the game just lacks any long term goals for me.
I made it to lvl 58 warlock. However my end game gear was already set by lvl 52. I had the best robe, best wand, best everything really long before I got to 58. And besides a really rare wand drop, I had nothing left to to shoot for. I didnt see the point of going to plaguelands to fight stuff knowing that none of the rewards were better than what I already had.
For some, the end game and all the work was to get to 60 so you could do raids on horde towns. For me that isnt something I cared to ever do. Again, what would be the point of it ? Besides bragging rights, I saw no reason to attack a horde town.
I guess I need a game that has me constantly striving for goals. I had none left in WoW. At least in SWG there was always something to do. Get jedi, change templates, more decorations for your house, etc. Im not saying WoW is a bad game. Just that its like a lot of rpg single player games these days and some newer mmorpgs like CoH. Fun for a month or two but gets old really fast. I mean Half-life 2 is a great game but I beat it already so why play anymore ? I guess I feel like I beat WoW too which is a shame cause it was fun.
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holey moley. Just making one character to lvl 31 has taken me more than 2 months. I cant see myself even getting one to lvl 60
. That'd be one heck of an accomplishment though if you were able to pull it off.
holey moley. Just making one character to lvl 31 has taken me more than 2 months. I cant see myself even getting one to lvl 60
. That'd be one heck of an accomplishment though if you were able to pull it off.
Yeah...I got the game a week ago and my highest is lvl 9. That's my goal, even though I'm just starting out and things.
we'll all see if you'll be playing after one lvl 60. Even at my level, the game is becoming less and less interesting for me, but thats just a personal opinion. It seems too easy....nonetheless, its still one heck of a game, in my mind.
I understand how you feel. I thought it would be fun to level different characters, but then after repeating quests, I decided to focus on getting at least one character to 60. I'm in my low 50s now and it is becoming less and less fun to play. I've tried running instances to get better items, but so far I find that to be tiring. I hate to think that's what is left to look forward to at level 60.
Wasn't finished with my post heh...
If a game is made to make progress to max level easy, there has to be content at that level in order to keep gamers around. (Sorry to repeat what has been said thousands of times.) It may just be my playstyle - but what do people find fun in CoH and WoW after their characters have maxed their levels? Make a new character and max it ad nauseam? That seems boring to me, but everybody has different ideas of what makes play enjoyable.
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You make the same mistake that most people do in assumeing that there is no high level content in WoW. Your second paragraph clearly points out that you obviously have no idea about the high end Raid instances, and no I'm not talking about Stratholme, Scholomance or BRD. You say that you have the best robe in game when you were 52 or the best wand? That is clearly a complete misunderstanding and I don't mean to be so forward on this, but you shouldn't make such presumptions. I mean c'mon do you really think that it would be possible for a lvl 52 or even a lvl 58 to posses the best item in game? The level requirements for some of the best gear that has been found is 60, and from what I understand there is better gear that hasn't even droped yet. If you don't believe me look up your item on Thottbot and then try browseing through player profiles or item searches for better gear, I promise you that you don't have the best gear in game.
The high end Raids are challengeing and require large groups just to move short distances within them, I'm willing to bet you don't even know half of them. Have you even tried BRS? How about MC? I know for a fact that you havn't been to Onyxia's Lair, there is no way you have the key at lvl 58. There are all kinds of areas within the game that arn't even instances that still require large groups or raids just to adventure in.
There is alot of content for high end gameplay, you just have to seek it out, it isn't givin to you on a plate like rest of the game is. The intial lvls of the game are designed to be fun and to provide a path for the player to venture through so that he always has something staring him in the face to do. It isn't that simple for high end content, and would you really want it to be like that? From your post I would venture to bet that you wouldn't want it to be that simple. You just need to try adventureing within the world and have fun instead of trying to grind things out everything that is givin to you. The intial lvl and game content puts most players in the mind set that if they are not givin quests then they have nothing to do. You have to seek out your adventures or venture into danger to find your quests.
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Well admriker... As far as i know Blizzard will update the game with more and more high lvl content.. I believe some high lvl issues will be dealt with, it says on www.worldofwarcraft.com, but if WoW doesn't tickle our fancy then you've done the right thing
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High Level Raid Dungeons/ContentAh geez man... Level 50 is the beginning of even more stuff to do. If you hate questing, then you're giving up on half of what World of Warcraft has to offer.
I finally reached Level 50 yesterday with my Hunter, I have tones of quests to do in Un'Goro, a bunch of unfinished Tanaris Elite quests, plus there's the Blastered Lands which is made for 50+, and there's many more Level 50+ areas with 5-15 quests to do.
Don't tell me you already have tones of Unique Items equipped. If you do, there's still more to get that is restricted to Level 55+.
I kinda thought the same thing when I reached level 43. I got my mount at Level 43, that was my big goal for a long time, to own a mount. Once I got it, I got bored, I thought I would quit.... OH WAS I SO WRONG!!! I explored a little, oh look an NPC with a "!" over his head in Feralas. Talked to him, I got a new quest. While questing, I notice another NPC near the Colosals in Feralas... another quest, after finishing both quests, they unlock even more quests to do, while exploring I see another NPC with a "!" over his head in Tanaris.
The questing never ends! That's what I love about WoW... there's always something to just as soon as you feel there isn't anything left.
So if you hate questing, quit. That's all there is to WoW... Questing and PVP. If you love games where all you do is grind, then there are tones of MMORPGs like that out there, switch to those.
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Your a moron. Beat onyxia and molten core then you can quit because of no high end content. Your gear would be crap by the sounds of things.
holey moley. Just making one character to lvl 31 has taken me more than 2 months. I cant see myself even getting one to lvl 60
. That'd be one heck of an accomplishment though if you were able to pull it off.
Someone on one of the Euro server is already lvl60
You make the same mistake that most people do in assumeing that there is no high level content in WoW. Your second paragraph clearly points out that you obviously have no idea about the high end Raid instances, and no I'm not talking about Stratholme, Scholomance or BRD.
Yes I am aware of them, they just arent for me. Like I said in my first paragraph, raids arent my cup of tea.
You say that you have the best robe in game when you were 52 or the best wand? That is clearly a complete misunderstanding and I don't mean to be so forward on this, but you shouldn't make such presumptions. I mean c'mon do you really think that it would be possible for a lvl 52 or even a lvl 58 to posses the best item in game? The level requirements for some of the best gear that has been found is 60, and from what I understand there is better gear that hasn't even droped yet. If you don't believe me look up your item on Thottbot and then try browseing through player profiles or item searches for better gear, I promise you that you don't have the best gear in game.
I did use thottbot, and my gear is still the best (thats how i know it it). Yes there are a few epic items that I dont have like a warlock epic robe at lvl 60. However the stats arent better than what I already have. For some reason a lot of epic items arent that great Ive noticed. I wouldnt want that epic lvl 60 robe because it would mean losing my robe now with +24 intellect, +18 stamina, +22 spirit, etc. I saw only one wand on that site that was better than mine as well. My head gear is subject to debate on whats best...i didnt consider adding +5 armor and losing intellect and spirit to be best. So a lvl 60 tiara they had listed wasnt exactly an upgrade. Just because an item requires lvl 60 or is epic doesnt mean better.
The high end Raids are challengeing and require large groups just to move short distances within them, I'm willing to bet you don't even know half of them. Have you even tried BRS? How about MC? I know for a fact that you havn't been to Onyxia's Lair, there is no way you have the key at lvl 58. There are all kinds of areas within the game that arn't even instances that still require large groups or raids just to adventure in.
After having experienced the immature gamers typical to this mmorpg (and i dont mean that as an insult, they just are younger inexperienced gamers) Im not interested in it anyway. Too often I died several times because many in my group didnt understand their roles. Or even worse just didnt listen. I'd repeatedly tell the group something simple like "dont release upon death, i have self-revive active on our pally" and sure enough two members would go "oops i forgot" And trying to get them to pay attention to places like the sunken temple where strategy is more important than firepower was impossible. Yes the raids are challenging, but too often failure occurred because of such simple mistakes that would ruin an entire effort. And ultimately I again found myself contemplating "why". Why such monumental effort to get that wand when there otherwise served no purpose.
There is alot of content for high end gameplay, you just have to seek it out, it isn't givin to you on a plate like rest of the game is. The intial lvls of the game are designed to be fun and to provide a path for the player to venture through so that he always has something staring him in the face to do. It isn't that simple for high end content, and would you really want it to be like that? From your post I would venture to bet that you wouldn't want it to be that simple. You just need to try adventureing within the world and have fun instead of trying to grind things out everything that is givin to you. The intial lvl and game content puts most players in the mind set that if they are not givin quests then they have nothing to do. You have to seek out your adventures or venture into danger to find your quests.
I have tried adventuring, believe me. Its just that the end game for WoW isnt my cup of tea. Raids, no thanks. High end areas demanding groups 24/7, no thanks. I had fun, WoW did make a great game but I dont agree that it will last long. PvP and raids will only appeal to even hardcore gamers so long. And those type of gamers in my opinion will move onto the more hardcore PvP games that are launching soon.
I think WoW's one mistake was trying to please too many and not really succeeding at it. PvP hardcore types wont last for the long haul. My type, long-term explorer/collector/adventurer/solo mostly player wont like the end game.
Comparing WoW to CoH shows me you have not played all that WoW has to offer. It is as wide as it is long and you simply sprinted to the end and was suprized to be at the end? An end that still has much more to offer than you realize, BTW. You simply did not experience the game that is there.
I guess the question is, if PvP raids and battlegrounds (upcoming), PvE raids, grouping, soloing and questing is not what you are expecting at level 60, what the heck did you expect?
A lot of you WoW fans are being very hostile to the original poster, citing such things as he hasn't experienced what the game is like and his claims are false.
Bottom line is, WoW was not meant to be a long-term game. It's obvious by the number of level 60's running around, it's obvious by the ease of doing everything. I myself played up to a level 23 shaman and thought "What now? Do I endlessly grind more quests? Do I do pointless PvP?". It was at that point where I stopped playing and quit. The game lives up to Blizzard's usual quality gameplay and interface, but falls short when it comes to content to keep players interested. By creating a simple, easy to get into game, they've opened up the market to a very broad audience, but at the same time they've crafted a game that would not hold many people's attention in the long-term.
Oh, and for those of you who are tempted to tell me that I haven't experienced what the game is like at 60, my question to you is, why should I have to grind to level 60 in order to have fun? Why can't the game be fun now? It was fun for the first few levels but now I feel like I'm just doing quest #1573.
If you dont like raids, which means grouping, if you dont like adventuring, which basicaly means soloing... then why play a MMORPG? It seems that MMORPG in general is not your style. Perhaps a MMOFPS would suit you better? i recommend planetside, a great game i play alongside WoW.
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Not everybody wants to do raids, or PvP, or etc. etc. etc...
Some people just want the game to go on after they hit level 60, like more instances or upper-level content that doesn't involve 50 people at once.
I'd have to agree with the poster though, at the time when I was still playing, crafting was absolutely useless. Everything that was received from drops was more useful than anything that could have been crafted, and I know Blizzard stated that crafted materials could never beat quest rewards and drops, but they also effectively turned crafting into a useless endeavor in the game.
Another thing that bothered me was how everybody solo'ed in the game. It was pretty much impossible to find a group for regular quests, and good luck finding one that's coherent in an instance. Most of the time the tank just rushes to kill every mob he sees in his path while the poor healer (me) is left trying to make sure he doesn't get his head handed to him. And any group that says 'Great, we have a shaman healer, let's go' does not deserve my company, as I have found out the hard way. Most people, having solo'ed almost the entire game, have absolutely no idea how to play their class in a group. When I was a priest I've had people ask me why I wasn't meleeing the mob and getting mad at me for standing back and doing nothing. Well EXCUSE ME if I'm saving my MP to save their butts and trying not to draw aggro.
Anyways, enough of bad memories...
I agree, most players tended to solo and when it did come time to group they didnt know their roles.
Too often I'd be in a group that did the exact same thing. They'd charge ahead while I was just sitting down t drink and recharge my mana. Or my voidwalker died so I needed a moment to recall him and of course drink after. Then my favorite was trying to get a group to stop and take a healthstone (im doing ya a favor moron, wait a sec). And my al time fav was after the group died saying "okay who needs a healthstone" and 4/5 members saying "not me" which of course didnt make sense because we all had died and therefore would assume they got used...nope.
Try instructing younger players on how to group was not very effective. I got a lot of "dont tell me how to play" or "blizzard made this game so I didnt have to follow the typical role of a warrior like in eq" I'd try and explain to them that yes you can play your warrior as a rogue damage dealer hybrid if you prefer, thats fine. However in a group you need to assume your role that 99% of mmorpgs follow which is a tank. Meaning put down that two hand sword and equip your shield. They just didnt get it, and usually you couldnt explain to them because they had already charged head first into a mob.
I didn't remind me of CoH, really, but I do sympathize with some of your criticisms.
To me, WoW is a very fun game for a while, but doesn't have a lot of staying power as compared with a lot of other MMOs. There aren't many, if any, long-term goals in the game. So while it's pretty fun doing the quests (at least I thought it was fun for a while), there isn't a whole lot of other long-term goals. Other MMOs offer a more long-term play (EVE, for example, or even SWG, as flawed as that game was) than WoW, but it really just depends on what you fund fun. Many folks find the kind of gaming experience that WoW offers to be a lot of fun and just what they like, and that's great, in my opinion.
I does look like you gave WoW a good solid run. I have a hard time seeing what your end game expectations might be, for any game. If you are more interested in time sinks and constant needing to group to progress, EQ2 may be more your game. However, at the end of leveling there, you will face the same dilema, only worse with no PvP of any kind.
I hope you find what you are looking for, as I do for anyone. You are certainly searching, and that says a lot.
Like COH, but better