It's a sandbox because you do the same 10 quests over and over and over and over and over and over....The you get rank 2 and do some other 10 quests over and over and over and over and over and over.......:)
Actually There are quite a few missions in Eve.
I know your trolling but I figured I would chime in with that because im bored.
Standard reply from the blind.
You're too hung up on "quests". And you got some nerve calling him blind after what you said in that post up there. Quests... what an idiot.
There is more variety of missions in EVE than there is of quests in any other mmorpg, including WoW, Aion, etc. Tell me how many types of quests and name them. I'd like to compare the variety of both please.
I could really care less about your opinion Mr. Elitist Eve Player, and to proving you wrong.
Here, I'll help you out. Just did a quick count of the missions listed on the EVE survival guide and excluding the same mission for different factions and ignoring their re-use at different levels there is approximately 300 distinct missions listed on it.
But then, each mission plays a bit differently depending on the faction you are fighting and some missions are considerably different as you go up in level so perhaps its not really fair to exclude them from the count total which would be closer to about 1000 if we included them all.
So, 20 missions overall eh? Pretty obvious who is 'wrong' in this discussion.
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Here, I'll help you out. Just did a quick count of the missions listed on the EVE survival guide and excluding the same mission for different factions and ignoring their re-use at different levels there is approximately 300 distinct missions listed on it.
But then, each mission plays a bit differently depending on the faction you are fighting and some missions are considerably different as you go up in level so perhaps its not really fair to exclude them from the count total which would be closer to about 1000 if we included them all.
So, 20 missions overall eh? Pretty obvious who is 'wrong' in this discussion.
Oh c'mon! Anyone can tell you that missions suck. In the end it really does feel like there's only 20 of them or so because they are so mindnumbingly boring. And before you say some people actually like Eve's mission I tell you this: A kid can be happy playing with a rock, but show him a Play Station and suddenly the rock isn't so fun.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
In most other MMOs quests are pretty much the entire point of the game. In EVE missions are just a means to an end. People who only mission in EVE really are only experiencing a limited portion of the game (though if that is what they want to do, fair enough - no 'correct' way to play in a sandbox after all).
Here, I'll help you out. Just did a quick count of the missions listed on the EVE survival guide and excluding the same mission for different factions and ignoring their re-use at different levels there is approximately 300 distinct missions listed on it.
But then, each mission plays a bit differently depending on the faction you are fighting and some missions are considerably different as you go up in level so perhaps its not really fair to exclude them from the count total which would be closer to about 1000 if we included them all.
So, 20 missions overall eh? Pretty obvious who is 'wrong' in this discussion.
Oh c'mon! Anyone can tell you that missions suck. In the end it really does feel like there's only 20 of them or so because they are so mindnumbingly boring. And before you say some people actually like Eve's mission I tell you this: A kid can be happy playing with a rock, but show him a Play Station and suddenly the rock isn't so fun.
yeah, problem is every single mmo on the market today has a mission/quest system as good as a "Rock" we have yet to see anyone develop a "playstation" quest/mission experience.
So why not enjoy Eve for what its worth? other mmos are just as bad. Atleast in Eve you arent forced to run missions to hit some lame endgame (level cap).
Dude im convinced you hate Eve to the core and don't even play the game. I have yet to see one positive post on Eve mechanics posted by you.
yeah, problem is every single mmo on the market today has a mission/quest system as good as a "Rock" we have yet to see anyone develop a "playstation" quest/mission experience.
Actually they have, its called DDO, you gain a lump of XP depending on you and your groups performance on any given "adventure"
But DDO is exceptional rather than the rule! and I quite agree.. if we were to compare Eve's missions to any other typical MMO we'd probably discover that in fact they are more diverse.
The only real thing which changes in other MMO's is the names and places, they are all still fed-ex / kill 10 of kind of quests.
Its just because the names and places dont change much in Eve missions that they feel more mundane, but this is at least something which CCP acknowledges and are working on (Epics) however typical MMO developers will never be seen commenting on how cookie-cutter their quests are. You ask an MMO developer why they have copied all other mmo's with their "kill 20 mobs" quests.. I think you'll find a no comment coming your way.
This is what makes Eve different IMO, CCP go to great lengths to radically change and update their product... and the biggest complaint for Blizzard is that their expansions are 'more of the same'
I'm not even sure why the missions were brought up in this thread. Quests usually indicate a series of standalone or chained "scripted" events that a player needs to complete to achieve or unlock a portion of the game. In most modern MMOs, they are also the primary means of leveling.
In Eve, missions have nothing to do with unlocking or achievement. They are one of several ways to make money. It's the easiest to do, but not the fastest way to gain isk if you do some research. Story arcs, which are new to eve, are the closest thing to a quest. Very simular to a mission in Eve, but it unlocks a piece of story along with some, arguably garbage, loot. However, no one needs to complete a single mission to access any portion of the entire game of Eve. So, they don't serve the same purpose as quests.
Some other things to think about what makes Eve "Sandboxy":
Access any point in the entire game from day (if you have the balls to do so)
Kill anyone at any time for any reason (with consequences)
Kill anyone at any time in most of the entire game universe (with only player consequences)
Eve relies on the community to set up most of the territorial boundaries
Almost everything in eve can be crafted by a player (minus special offer ships and.. planets... can't make those... yet)
Player driven economy. A lot of items can only be created by a player and all players set the market demand on a regional basis. Don't like your prices in Jita? Try Gallente space (unless your me and have less than a -5 standing with a faction)
What you see .. if not everything that exists. Try exploration and find hidden complexes, wormholes to unclaimable 0.0 like systems, and resources that aren't normally found in the area you are in
Open your own corporation or space station and start getting into research or manufacturing. Try cornering a specific item type in your region and know that if anyone buys "insert item here" they are going to have to deal with you.
Make a drug lab
Ship fits (simular to armor in other MMOs) are EXTREMELY versatile. A ship can be completely change depending on the modules it uses. Not too many other games are this versatile. Unfortunetly.
Ummm... hello! Blow up that newb over there!
#1 reason in my opinion: As a modern day MMO it is one of the very few MMOs that rewards a player based on how the player interacts with the rest of the community. More games need to put the M back into MMO.
yeah, problem is every single mmo on the market today has a mission/quest system as good as a "Rock" we have yet to see anyone develop a "playstation" quest/mission experience.
So why not enjoy Eve for what its worth? other mmos are just as bad. Atleast in Eve you arent forced to run missions to hit some lame endgame (level cap).
Dude im convinced you hate Eve to the core and don't even play the game. I have yet to see one positive post on Eve mechanics posted by you.
Oh there are plenty of better things than the "rocks" in Eve. DDO for one, GWs campaigns are another. Many other MMOs are just as bad but it doesn't make Eve good.
I don't have to post any good mechanics of Eve since it is clearly your job. I am merely a counter-balance. And still I play because I've payed for my game time in ISK. It is a F2P game for me and one must look F2P games with lowered standards. Alas, this hardly makes them any better.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
yeah, problem is every single mmo on the market today has a mission/quest system as good as a "Rock" we have yet to see anyone develop a "playstation" quest/mission experience.
So why not enjoy Eve for what its worth? other mmos are just as bad. Atleast in Eve you arent forced to run missions to hit some lame endgame (level cap).
Dude im convinced you hate Eve to the core and don't even play the game. I have yet to see one positive post on Eve mechanics posted by you.
Oh there are plenty of better things than the "rocks" in Eve. DDO for one, GWs campaigns are another. Many other MMOs are just as bad but it doesn't make Eve good.
GW is a CO-RPG check A-nets description of the game and DDO also could fall into that category. while both good look what they have to do to have a good mission system, instance every damn thing, not have a world that can be played by hundreds of people at once.
I don't have to post any good mechanics of Eve since it is clearly your job. I am merely a counter-balance. And still I play because I've payed for my game time in ISK. It is a F2P game for me and one must look F2P games with lowered standards. Alas, this hardly makes them any better.
Lower standards? Eve? yeah... you don't play Eve at all LOL!!!!
yeah, problem is every single mmo on the market today has a mission/quest system as good as a "Rock" we have yet to see anyone develop a "playstation" quest/mission experience.
So why not enjoy Eve for what its worth? other mmos are just as bad. Atleast in Eve you arent forced to run missions to hit some lame endgame (level cap).
Dude im convinced you hate Eve to the core and don't even play the game. I have yet to see one positive post on Eve mechanics posted by you.
Oh there are plenty of better things than the "rocks" in Eve. DDO for one, GWs campaigns are another. Many other MMOs are just as bad but it doesn't make Eve good.
GW is a CO-RPG check A-nets description of the game and DDO also could fall into that category. while both good look what they have to do to have a good mission system, instance every damn thing, not have a world that can be played by hundreds of people at once.
I don't have to post any good mechanics of Eve since it is clearly your job. I am merely a counter-balance. And still I play because I've payed for my game time in ISK. It is a F2P game for me and one must look F2P games with lowered standards. Alas, this hardly makes them any better.
Lower standards? Eve? yeah... you don't play Eve at all LOL!!!!
Nice try troll.
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You don't seem to like the game, so why play it? "Because I pay with ISK" isn't a good answer. You still have to play the game to make ISK so it's not as if you aren't spending a good amount of time playing it, and there has to be some reason you *gasp* ENJOY it. I mean, you do obviously enjoy it, or you wouldn't be spending all that time earning ISK to pay for it, so that you could do whatever else it is you do in the game. Right?
It's a sandbox because you do the same 10 quests over and over and over and over and over and over....The you get rank 2 and do some other 10 quests over and over and over and over and over and over.......:)
Actually There are quite a few missions in Eve.
I know your trolling but I figured I would chime in with that because im bored.
Standard reply from the blind.
You're too hung up on "quests". And you got some nerve calling him blind after what you said in that post up there. Quests... what an idiot.
There is more variety of missions in EVE than there is of quests in any other mmorpg, including WoW, Aion, etc. Tell me how many types of quests and name them. I'd like to compare the variety of both please.
I could really care less about your opinion Mr. Elitist Eve Player, and to proving you wrong.
Here, I'll help you out. Just did a quick count of the missions listed on the EVE survival guide and excluding the same mission for different factions and ignoring their re-use at different levels there is approximately 300 distinct missions listed on it.
But then, each mission plays a bit differently depending on the faction you are fighting and some missions are considerably different as you go up in level so perhaps its not really fair to exclude them from the count total which would be closer to about 1000 if we included them all.
So, 20 missions overall eh? Pretty obvious who is 'wrong' in this discussion.
I'm not sure if your 300 includes all the Cosmos missions (agents in space) that each of the 4 empire factions have? These missions give only faction standing and are great if you're trying to get standing for higher level missions. There are also all the hidden agents in space that provide all sorts of special rewards, and the new epic arc missions. Beyond that, there are countless dead space missions and all the exploration sites. Personally, I would say that's an over abundance of missions, but I'm not really a mission fan.
You don't seem to like the game, so why play it? "Because I pay with ISK" isn't a good answer. You still have to play the game to make ISK so it's not as if you aren't spending a good amount of time playing it, and there has to be some reason you *gasp* ENJOY it. I mean, you do obviously enjoy it, or you wouldn't be spending all that time earning ISK to pay for it, so that you could do whatever else it is you do in the game. Right?
You don't have to love every single thing in it to play it. And its free 2 play so what the heck. Got nothing better.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
You don't seem to like the game, so why play it? "Because I pay with ISK" isn't a good answer. You still have to play the game to make ISK so it's not as if you aren't spending a good amount of time playing it, and there has to be some reason you *gasp* ENJOY it. I mean, you do obviously enjoy it, or you wouldn't be spending all that time earning ISK to pay for it, so that you could do whatever else it is you do in the game. Right?
You don't have to love every single thing in it to play it. And its free 2 play so what the heck. Got nothing better.
Are you maybe missing a small point of the game, I have done maybe 50 missions since 2005 if that, Ive always played in the mind set of player driven content
.I,m in a very active corp and I am constantly engaged in various levels of inter corp warfare and politics, we have convoy runs to organise and protect, need to arrange patrols of assets etc etc.
I may be wrong in my assumption that your just playing a self induced Eve Lite, 0.2+ space are just if you like training grounds for what happens in the real Eve which is player driven 0.0.
Your arguement suggests a small desire to have a degree of being lead, instead of you leading, if that is the case you will never get the full scale of what is Eve.
Eve isnt about missions, they are just something to do, if lets say no corps members are on or need to earn some cash after a long protracedt bout of combat (ie inter corp/alliance war) and your ships/resources are low and you need to rebuild stock, or earn some Loyalty Points, something ive never even bothered with. Or heaven forbid you might enjoy them, we do have members that actualy like them, each to there own.
The simple fact that the player base shapes the universe is the biggest reason EVE is a sandbox. They control space. They dictate what is built and who controls. Player actions MATTER twards the game universe
I don't think the OP even realizes what a sandbox is. Just imagine a box of sand. You can make of it what you will. You can build a roller coaster with your sand, or build a castle.
EVE is a sandbox MMO, but sandbox MMO's will ALWAYS have some themepark rides in them. You don't need, or are not forced to do anything in EVE. You don't ever need to enter combat in EVE if you do not wish.
The ONLY reason I do not still play EVE?
It felt like I needed a in game day job just to undock in anything decent. I still found myself flying ships I could fly a few months into game after 3 years of play, just from how expensive decent ships are. I just don't have the time for a second job to play a game.
Heh, full loss is just not for me in a game. I get enough of that in real life.
You don't seem to like the game, so why play it? "Because I pay with ISK" isn't a good answer. You still have to play the game to make ISK so it's not as if you aren't spending a good amount of time playing it, and there has to be some reason you *gasp* ENJOY it. I mean, you do obviously enjoy it, or you wouldn't be spending all that time earning ISK to pay for it, so that you could do whatever else it is you do in the game. Right?
You don't have to love every single thing in it to play it. And its free 2 play so what the heck. Got nothing better.
Are you maybe missing a small point of the game, I have done maybe 50 missions since 2005 if that, Ive always played in the mind set of player driven content
.I,m in a very active corp and I am constantly engaged in various levels of inter corp warfare and politics, we have convoy runs to organise and protect, need to arrange patrols of assets etc etc.
I may be wrong in my assumption that your just playing a self induced Eve Lite, 0.2+ space are just if you like training grounds for what happens in the real Eve which is player driven 0.0.
Your arguement suggests a small desire to have a degree of being lead, instead of you leading, if that is the case you will never get the full scale of what is Eve.
Eve isnt about missions, they are just something to do, if lets say no corps members are on or need to earn some cash after a long protracedt bout of combat (ie inter corp/alliance war) and your ships/resources are low and you need to rebuild stock, or earn some Loyalty Points, something ive never even bothered with. Or heaven forbid you might enjoy them, we do have members that actualy like them, each to there own.
Your assumption that I am a newb of some degree. That somehow I haven't see all that is Eve. -But I have! I can't say that I've seen everything because of the SP system, but I've seen enough. I live in zero-sec because if I still lived in hi-sec/low-sec, I would've stop playing a long time ago.
Don't start preaching what there is to do in Eve, because chances are, I've done it already. Some of you have this strange notion that "you can not like Eve". For me, there's plenty not to like, but it is still good enough to play.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
You don't seem to like the game, so why play it? "Because I pay with ISK" isn't a good answer. You still have to play the game to make ISK so it's not as if you aren't spending a good amount of time playing it, and there has to be some reason you *gasp* ENJOY it. I mean, you do obviously enjoy it, or you wouldn't be spending all that time earning ISK to pay for it, so that you could do whatever else it is you do in the game. Right?
You don't have to love every single thing in it to play it. And its free 2 play so what the heck. Got nothing better.
Are you maybe missing a small point of the game, I have done maybe 50 missions since 2005 if that, Ive always played in the mind set of player driven content
.I,m in a very active corp and I am constantly engaged in various levels of inter corp warfare and politics, we have convoy runs to organise and protect, need to arrange patrols of assets etc etc.
I may be wrong in my assumption that your just playing a self induced Eve Lite, 0.2+ space are just if you like training grounds for what happens in the real Eve which is player driven 0.0.
Your arguement suggests a small desire to have a degree of being lead, instead of you leading, if that is the case you will never get the full scale of what is Eve.
Eve isnt about missions, they are just something to do, if lets say no corps members are on or need to earn some cash after a long protracedt bout of combat (ie inter corp/alliance war) and your ships/resources are low and you need to rebuild stock, or earn some Loyalty Points, something ive never even bothered with. Or heaven forbid you might enjoy them, we do have members that actualy like them, each to there own.
Your assumption that I am a newb of some degree. That somehow I haven't see all that is Eve. -But I have! I can't say that I've seen everything because of the SP system, but I've seen enough. I live in zero-sec because if I still lived in hi-sec/low-sec, I would've stop playing a long time ago.
Don't start preaching what there is to do in Eve, because chances are, I've done it already. Some of you have this strange notion that "you can not like Eve". For me, there's plenty not to like, but it is still good enough to play.
As I clearly said and admited to, I am making an assumption that is based on what you have been saying all through this thread, which has been focused on the mission system, a compliant often the focus of fairly new players, hence my assumption.
However your attiude speaks far louder, so feeding is now ceasing.
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Way to go!
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
Here, I'll help you out. Just did a quick count of the missions listed on the EVE survival guide and excluding the same mission for different factions and ignoring their re-use at different levels there is approximately 300 distinct missions listed on it.
But then, each mission plays a bit differently depending on the faction you are fighting and some missions are considerably different as you go up in level so perhaps its not really fair to exclude them from the count total which would be closer to about 1000 if we included them all.
So, 20 missions overall eh? Pretty obvious who is 'wrong' in this discussion.
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Oh c'mon! Anyone can tell you that missions suck. In the end it really does feel like there's only 20 of them or so because they are so mindnumbingly boring. And before you say some people actually like Eve's mission I tell you this: A kid can be happy playing with a rock, but show him a Play Station and suddenly the rock isn't so fun.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
In most other MMOs quests are pretty much the entire point of the game. In EVE missions are just a means to an end. People who only mission in EVE really are only experiencing a limited portion of the game (though if that is what they want to do, fair enough - no 'correct' way to play in a sandbox after all).
yeah, problem is every single mmo on the market today has a mission/quest system as good as a "Rock" we have yet to see anyone develop a "playstation" quest/mission experience.
So why not enjoy Eve for what its worth? other mmos are just as bad. Atleast in Eve you arent forced to run missions to hit some lame endgame (level cap).
Dude im convinced you hate Eve to the core and don't even play the game. I have yet to see one positive post on Eve mechanics posted by you.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
Actually they have, its called DDO, you gain a lump of XP depending on you and your groups performance on any given "adventure"
But DDO is exceptional rather than the rule! and I quite agree.. if we were to compare Eve's missions to any other typical MMO we'd probably discover that in fact they are more diverse.
The only real thing which changes in other MMO's is the names and places, they are all still fed-ex / kill 10 of kind of quests.
Its just because the names and places dont change much in Eve missions that they feel more mundane, but this is at least something which CCP acknowledges and are working on (Epics) however typical MMO developers will never be seen commenting on how cookie-cutter their quests are. You ask an MMO developer why they have copied all other mmo's with their "kill 20 mobs" quests.. I think you'll find a no comment coming your way.
This is what makes Eve different IMO, CCP go to great lengths to radically change and update their product... and the biggest complaint for Blizzard is that their expansions are 'more of the same'
I'm not even sure why the missions were brought up in this thread. Quests usually indicate a series of standalone or chained "scripted" events that a player needs to complete to achieve or unlock a portion of the game. In most modern MMOs, they are also the primary means of leveling.
In Eve, missions have nothing to do with unlocking or achievement. They are one of several ways to make money. It's the easiest to do, but not the fastest way to gain isk if you do some research. Story arcs, which are new to eve, are the closest thing to a quest. Very simular to a mission in Eve, but it unlocks a piece of story along with some, arguably garbage, loot. However, no one needs to complete a single mission to access any portion of the entire game of Eve. So, they don't serve the same purpose as quests.
Some other things to think about what makes Eve "Sandboxy":
Access any point in the entire game from day (if you have the balls to do so)
Kill anyone at any time for any reason (with consequences)
Kill anyone at any time in most of the entire game universe (with only player consequences)
Eve relies on the community to set up most of the territorial boundaries
Almost everything in eve can be crafted by a player (minus special offer ships and.. planets... can't make those... yet)
Player driven economy. A lot of items can only be created by a player and all players set the market demand on a regional basis. Don't like your prices in Jita? Try Gallente space (unless your me and have less than a -5 standing with a faction)
What you see .. if not everything that exists. Try exploration and find hidden complexes, wormholes to unclaimable 0.0 like systems, and resources that aren't normally found in the area you are in
Open your own corporation or space station and start getting into research or manufacturing. Try cornering a specific item type in your region and know that if anyone buys "insert item here" they are going to have to deal with you.
Make a drug lab
Ship fits (simular to armor in other MMOs) are EXTREMELY versatile. A ship can be completely change depending on the modules it uses. Not too many other games are this versatile. Unfortunetly.
Ummm... hello! Blow up that newb over there!
#1 reason in my opinion: As a modern day MMO it is one of the very few MMOs that rewards a player based on how the player interacts with the rest of the community. More games need to put the M back into MMO.
Oh there are plenty of better things than the "rocks" in Eve. DDO for one, GWs campaigns are another. Many other MMOs are just as bad but it doesn't make Eve good.
I don't have to post any good mechanics of Eve since it is clearly your job. I am merely a counter-balance. And still I play because I've payed for my game time in ISK. It is a F2P game for me and one must look F2P games with lowered standards. Alas, this hardly makes them any better.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
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I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
He brings up valid points, albeit brashly.
You don't seem to like the game, so why play it? "Because I pay with ISK" isn't a good answer. You still have to play the game to make ISK so it's not as if you aren't spending a good amount of time playing it, and there has to be some reason you *gasp* ENJOY it. I mean, you do obviously enjoy it, or you wouldn't be spending all that time earning ISK to pay for it, so that you could do whatever else it is you do in the game. Right?
I'm not sure if your 300 includes all the Cosmos missions (agents in space) that each of the 4 empire factions have? These missions give only faction standing and are great if you're trying to get standing for higher level missions. There are also all the hidden agents in space that provide all sorts of special rewards, and the new epic arc missions. Beyond that, there are countless dead space missions and all the exploration sites. Personally, I would say that's an over abundance of missions, but I'm not really a mission fan.
You don't have to love every single thing in it to play it. And its free 2 play so what the heck. Got nothing better.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Are you maybe missing a small point of the game, I have done maybe 50 missions since 2005 if that, Ive always played in the mind set of player driven content
.I,m in a very active corp and I am constantly engaged in various levels of inter corp warfare and politics, we have convoy runs to organise and protect, need to arrange patrols of assets etc etc.
I may be wrong in my assumption that your just playing a self induced Eve Lite, 0.2+ space are just if you like training grounds for what happens in the real Eve which is player driven 0.0.
Your arguement suggests a small desire to have a degree of being lead, instead of you leading, if that is the case you will never get the full scale of what is Eve.
Eve isnt about missions, they are just something to do, if lets say no corps members are on or need to earn some cash after a long protracedt bout of combat (ie inter corp/alliance war) and your ships/resources are low and you need to rebuild stock, or earn some Loyalty Points, something ive never even bothered with. Or heaven forbid you might enjoy them, we do have members that actualy like them, each to there own.
The simple fact that the player base shapes the universe is the biggest reason EVE is a sandbox. They control space. They dictate what is built and who controls. Player actions MATTER twards the game universe
I don't think the OP even realizes what a sandbox is. Just imagine a box of sand. You can make of it what you will. You can build a roller coaster with your sand, or build a castle.
EVE is a sandbox MMO, but sandbox MMO's will ALWAYS have some themepark rides in them. You don't need, or are not forced to do anything in EVE. You don't ever need to enter combat in EVE if you do not wish.
The ONLY reason I do not still play EVE?
It felt like I needed a in game day job just to undock in anything decent. I still found myself flying ships I could fly a few months into game after 3 years of play, just from how expensive decent ships are. I just don't have the time for a second job to play a game.
Heh, full loss is just not for me in a game. I get enough of that in real life.
Your assumption that I am a newb of some degree. That somehow I haven't see all that is Eve. -But I have! I can't say that I've seen everything because of the SP system, but I've seen enough. I live in zero-sec because if I still lived in hi-sec/low-sec, I would've stop playing a long time ago.
Don't start preaching what there is to do in Eve, because chances are, I've done it already. Some of you have this strange notion that "you can not like Eve". For me, there's plenty not to like, but it is still good enough to play.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
As I clearly said and admited to, I am making an assumption that is based on what you have been saying all through this thread, which has been focused on the mission system, a compliant often the focus of fairly new players, hence my assumption.
However your attiude speaks far louder, so feeding is now ceasing.