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Stop blaming NCSOFT for the bots...
testament1
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I played Aion for about a month after it was released. Yes, there were some bots, and some gold spam. But what I don't understand is why people blame NCSOFT. You know who's really responsible for the bots? And many of you aren't going to like this...but it's the PLAYERS fault.
It's 100% the fault of the players. Without a demand for bots and gold, there would be no market for gold sellers, thus they would die. Apparently there are enough Aion players paying for gold that the bots are still sticking around, 6 or 7 months after launch.
So stop blaming NCSOFT, or boycotting them. Start blaming the right people, the players playing next to you.
BTW, I haven't played Aion for about 6 months, so I'm by no means a fan boy.
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Eh, that's a little like a politician saying that crimes are 100% the fault of the criminals, and if criminals would just quit committing crimes, there wouldn't be a problem. It's a very nice sentiment, but that doesn't mean we're not allowed to write lettesr to our politicians to tell them to take steps, and possibly vote them out of office when the chance arises.
Ultimately, a successful MMO requires some action on the part of the developer to 1) make available a quick and expedient system for dealing with spammers and botters, and 2) make sure the system is actually used to minimize the impact of gold selling. And even better, make a game isn't so bloody easy to bot. The very fact that some games are so easy to bot should say worlds about the depth (or lack thereof) of gameplay that players are being offered.
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I've been saying this since I first Played L2. Farming bots are an essential part of the games success. I'm glad to see them out there famring major elemntals and other crafting materials. They keep the broker full of gear and make it generally more fun for other players.
When there is a bot or multiple bots in an area that you need to be, it doesnt take more than a few minutes to disrupt their botting programs and take them out of the equation while you hunt. I have yet to come up against a superior bot that I could not either block from attacking, kill it, or get it to default to zero, there was some really good ones that took about 6 minutes to disrupt.
Bots have a place in a game just like rats have a place in society, we need them, we just don't want to see them.
Ideally you really could have made this post in any MMO forum. WOW has bots, STO has bots, etc. True, the bots would exist less if people didnt actually buy anything from them. I recently had 2 friends lose their accounts because one bought gold, gave the other friend some of it and when NCSoft found out both accounts were stripped...gg.
Nailed it.
OP is naive to think gold farming/selling is the only reason bots exist. Many regular players find routine game activities such as leveling up skills (DFO) or accumulating gold dull (almost all MMO's) so some turn to bots to play these parts of the games.
Remove this poor design and the bots will for the most part go away. So in the end, NCSoft is ultimately responsible for the existence of bots in Aion.
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i completely dissagree with these statements... The main reason people bot in games because of the repetativeness is because people are LAZY. No matter how easy you make a game, there will always be some lazy person who makes a bot to do something in the game.
Agreed!
How can someone say the company shouldn't bare any of the blame? The company is the one who designed the client/server logic. It is the company who can create (omg yes.... they actually have to do some WORK!) a working system to distinguish bots from players. It is the company who controls their own firewalls to the servers. Blacklisting does work.
It is the company who created this game and has full control of it, that company has the ability and the tools to remove this problem. Maybe they haven't because another company never invested the time in finding a solution? This to me is just another example of the complacency the Industry has gotten into. If another company hasn't done it why should we bother seems to be their logic.
On a last note, the only company I can see that has done anything to control this problem (besides wasting GM's times with bots) is EvE. Their new system they developed is pretty impressive in how it works. More companies should take note.
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Oh I most certainly do blame NCSoft. That doesn't mean the botters and the buyers are off the hook, because they are obviously a big part of the problem. But the reason that company is called "NCSoft" is that it's soft on preventing cheaters and always has been.
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Why do people say something without thinking? If you want to help, if you want to understand, if you want to talk to other people - try to understand first.
Bots are NCSOFT's fault and it's NCSOFT's problem. NCSOFT made the game currency an important aspect of the game which the gold sellers are selling to the playerbase. IF NCSOFT made the in game currency less important then gold sellers would not have any business here.
Typical example of game currency importance:
-Ever hear of Miraget's/Fenrir's set in Aion? Yes it is the ultimate PvE set you can get at lvl 50 after doing a long+boring+hard+annyong+EXPENSIVE chain of quest. Out of all this, only the rich can afford it. Each piece of that set costs millions.
-Ever heard of drop rates at end game? yes, they r rare as hell. Once you get a piece of gear guess what you do with your old gears? Sell or extract it, soulbound makes MAJORITY of the current ingame gears useless. You cannot trade down ur old gears or trade back 1/4 of it's cost because of the soulbinding system.
I've only given 2 quick examples without thinking too much. Now think about the game setup and how the game is designed. It's not the players who gave the currency market to the gold sellers, it's the game design and the devs who opened the door to gold sellers.
PS: I am an Aion player. Have been playing since headstart in Sept 2009 and plan to continue this way for some time in the future. I have 2x lvl50 chars and you can call me a fanboi/troll/noob/whatever you want, doesn't make any difference to me. I like the game, I enjoy the game ..... but don't like the game company ... they did not learn from their mistakes in Korea or China .... just a bunch of incompetents making decisions.
Why are people still talking about this? It's like going to WoW forums and arguing about how MC was the only endgame content available.
Bots /gold spammers have been taken care of months ago, move along already nobody cares whose fault it WAS!
The biggest fault of NCSoft when Aion launched was KNOWING that they had a BOT problem in their Korean version and not expecting the botters to use that same software in the NA version? Really? They should of had the system in place they finally got up in December for squashing the BOT's from day one. Im glad they did squash the bots in december and the game has been nice without them around but that should of been a priority much sooner then it was. The game came out in Sept and the bots were finally neutered in December, 3 months later. IMO this was their biggest mistake.
Maybe games should not require a player to spent 1000 hours in front of pc repeating the same pattern over and over to get 1 piece of gear. I dont say that games should be so easy that you can gain anything in a few days but not to make game so stupidly repeating
I like how people are calling the OP naive when they consider their point of view of the game to be what everyone must be thinking even though that's what he's doing also. The game might be repetitive to you, but other people are obviously enjoying it and don't consider it repetitive. I technically consider every MMO repetitive to a certain degree.
Although, I have to agree with everyone and saying that the blame doesn't go with JUST the players. It's both the players and NCSOFT's fault. Either way, this has been taken care of and there's not a huge amount of bots now compared to Aions launch. There's still bots, but what MMO doesn't have bots?
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Woah this game still exists?
Did I buy gold in any form or shape? Nay never. So please address my question why hackers targeted my account? after finding out my account being hacked, I forwarded an email to NCsoft demanding for justice. Guess what... I got my account back, however access to Aion was permantly banned because it was allegedly engaging in botting activities. At the time, i was convinced by NCsoft that the case would be resolved after they launched an investigation. Good god, I genuinely believed they would stich up their anti-botting system and give me back full access to Aion. A month following, nothing was in progress. Fuck that, they abandoned in waiting. Wasted my time, my money.
Bingo. The reason that Aion has more than it's fair share of bots is that it is particularly grindelicious.
OP why did you quit, botters? Just wondered what prompted this post 6 months down the line.
Lets be real about one thing. The only problem is that there is a market for gold selling to begin with. The people buying is the problem. Ncsoft can't go to all its users houses and prevent them from cheating...
Incorrect.
Bots are the result of player greed and laziness. Period.
If you don't like the game, don't play the game. But don't be lazy and buy your way to the end.
Bots and gold sellers do what they do for MONEY. No money = no bots/farmers/gold sellers.
u build it they will come. If the game dont require bots and golds then there wont be any of them around.
"Many regular players find routine game activities such as leveling up skills (DFO) or accumulating gold dull (almost all MMO's) so some turn to bots to play these parts of the games."
Because they are lazy or inept and choose to violate almost every TOS out there by running BOTs in the first place.
Again, you have just highlighted cases of player's behaviour encouraging bots, not the game design. If the game is too "hard" for you, don't play it.
sorry dude if someone bought gold and got better gears and kick ur butt , are u going to say its b/c they got better skill than u or go out and buy gold urself so u can compete?
Finally, another poster with a brain! /bow
If the game is truly "mind numbingly, carpal tunnel inducing, abusurdly easy repetative (sp)" then why are you playing it?
If you don't like the game, don't play it, but don't cheat.
There are "players" who bot and buy gold in WoW, or have people forgotten about Glide and how it's surely not the only bot around?
Or are you going to say WoW's design is hard and grindy...?
People actually still play Aion? The excitement of the pretty graphics and nice cleavage quickly wore off for myself. But ya, I never blamed NCsoft at all for the bots ingame...I blame the Koreans! lol
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