Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Quick Links
Revan: A man of many talents.
Maverz290
Member Posts: 447
Hello mmorpg.com
This thread is basically a discussion about the man himself, Revan. I'm curious to see what you all think of him. Whether you see him as a darksider, or lightsider. Maybe something inbetween that we just can't label. However with the recent interesting video over at Swtor.com, we learned of Sith infiltrators. Which leads me to believe Revan may or may not have had something to do with the real sith empire. We also notice in the cinematic trailer, that several Sith warriors bare masks, very similair to Revans. Revan did take Mandalores mask, but we know for a fact, that is not it. It didn't look like it at all. Where did he get it from?..
So as a jedi in the mandalorian wars, he was, charismatic, brash and strong. Traits of a Sith infiltrator. He inspired the jedi to join up in his crusade against the mandalorian threat. Knowingly putting the jedi against each other, causing the jedi civil war. This no doubt weakened the jedi. Perhaps that was his plan all along? Weaken the jedi for the Sith to come in and roll over them in one swoop. Revan may well have been one of many infiltrators, but the only one who really made a historical scale impact on the Republic. He wasn't suttle at all.
Which leads to his redemption. Did he, with his mind wiped, start anew? Perhaps being around the jedi remoulded his mind and made him the jedi knight he could've been, but with the raw power and strength of a Sith lord. Yes I know jedi are powerful, but no jedi can compare to the battle prowess and sheer fury of a sith lord in his prime. Hence why multiple jedi always engage a Sith lord. The only one I remember who didn't, was Revan, and Luke Skywalker. Confronted and won I mean. Don't get me wrong, Yoda is powerful, but the limitations of the jedi code do restrict your power. A darkside Yoda, would defeat a jedi Yoda. I know some of you will disagree, but from what I have read, and it is extensive, I'm even more of a jedi fan than a sith, I find this to be the case. So yeah, Revan defeated Malak. Then walked away back to the Sith. Perhaps he failed his mission, realised this and returned to face the Emperor for his failings. One thing is for sure, whatever happened to Revan, definately had a dramatic outcome on what would've happened to the exile jedi. If Revan was a Sith, he'd likely be turned or killed. If Revan was a jedi and died... Well, same result I guess. So perhaps not.
It is also shown that he fell in love with Bastila Shan. We now know that line continued, and Bastila, was very strong, so it is likely her offspring were also. Now imagine if it is infact Revans line. What kind of power or potential are we talking about? How do the Sith Empire know she is special? Revan is linked to this certainly. Perhaps Revan is alive, controlling the Sith, and would want nothing better than his great, great grand daughter at his side. It would be interesting. The other possibility is that the Emperor knew of Revans power, and the fact that he has a descendant, interests him greatly. Maybe he see's her as a possible heir? Empress of the Sith? Nice title I think.
I'm sure this will cause people to think and speculate, but fire at will. I'm really interested in what you guys and girls think or what I said, and what you have to say in return.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
Comments
Heh, Revan can also be a she, you know.
I played my character as though she'd turned back to the light. I tried to play Dark Side but somehow just never could quite finish it that way.
In my opinion Revan has been the greatest character from kotor and starwars in total.
Revan is one amazing character not going into his amazing power trough the force but also as a human-being. I bet no sith lord or jedi master trough time could really defeat Revan whatsoever for a man to Master the Dark/Light side and still remain as a whole is awesome,
Could say Put revan against Darth vader or yoda the outcome would still be the same he would own.
Bastila Shan however is a person like her opposite Cart onasi are the few people that could really kill Revan sucessfully due to Revan being romantic involvement could lead to his fall.
I so hope kotor the mmo would bring back Revan in one form or another cause Revan with his power can learn the secrets of immortality easily.
Revan has always been struggle for both sides cause both sides want them on their side fighting for them but he is a person with a free will and wielding the galaxy's most destructive power.
This voices.. This voices i hear them.. And when they talk i follow i follow..
Technically you could play Revan as a woman, but now we know that is not the case they are rolling with. Hence why I referred to him as he. However I incorrectly referred to the exile as he by mistake. The exile is a she, and lightside.
Yeah I know what you mean, I find it very hard to do evil decisions out of Korriban. Korriban was great, it was like Evil Academy 101. Fantastic competing against other sith hopefuls. The irony being you were Dark lord of the Sith. I also like how if you went there after knowing you are Revan, Uthar actually accepts the truth and bows to you.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
Ooo, Ive played a dozen times but never had that happen because I never went there after discovering I was Revan. Guess I'll have to play again.
Canonically Revan was a man..
And it's already been confirmed that Revan's intensions weren't good. We know he made contact with the True Sith Empire. His mask he found on Cathar, it belonged to a female Mandelorian who was killed when she tried to defend the Cathar from Cassus Fett
Yeah, save it before you meet them both on the frozen acid pool. That way you can try out the reactions from both. Also you can try it on several students but their minds are small and won't even contemplate that infact you are who you say you are. I've never spoke to Uthar saying Im Revan and that I'm going to destroy the Sith though....*installs Kotor...*
Just think a year from now, similair situation, but this time I'd be saying, See you in game Moirae lol.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
I'm curious to see how they handle this honestly. They will obviously have to choose one gender and path from KOTOR to use as the 'official' history for any Revan-related content that will be in the game. I wonder what they will choose...
I'm betting it will probably be the redeemed male Revan who made Bastila fall in love with him and turn back to the light side in the end of KOTOR. Otherwise there would still be the Star Forge and millions of manufactured warships flying around. Then again, maybe thats how the Sith have become so powerful again in this time period.
Nah, the star forge was destroyed in the light side male revan ending. But let me take you on a journey back to 1997:
"First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price? Only, this one can be kept secret."
+1 awesomeness if you can name the movie. cmon its not that hard
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
I read the Darth Bane novel a few years back and they referenced Revan quite a bit, and yet managed to remain rather ambiguous about the Sith Lord's final choices. I personally walked away from the book feeling you could still follow either outcome for Revan in SW:KotOR. In fact, if I recall correctly across the years, they may not have even been firm on Revan's gender in the novel. It is possible, at least in English, to construct sentences so as not to use a character's gender-pronouns. (As I have just demonstrated. >_> )
My own Revan was redeemed, and female. I still consider SW:KotOR to be one of the finest examples of story in games of all time. I am rarely surprised by twists and plot choices, but I was on that one.
Contact.
And I was saying that IF they chose the Dark Side ending as the official canon, then the Star Forge would still be in existence and there would be tons of new warships all over the place.
The whole male/female debate is amusing, as for cannonically, I don't know, but I know in KoToR 2 the assassin turned thief/smuggler turned jedi guy, when you find him in the cage, states initially that Revan is female.
In the cut scenes with Mal in the original KoToR, Revan looks like a female in the darkside robes to me judging by arm thickness and whatnot.
So I'm not sold on Revan being canonically male at least as far as Bioware's take on it goes.
can't remember where but i do recall that canon reven was lightside male for KOTOR. as to what happened to him maybe TOR will shed light onto what happened to not only revan but the exhile after first 2 KOTOR games. i heard there will be some info but how much has not been known. it's amazing how much impact revan had with bane taking from some of his teaching that would lead to the rule of two. revan was cunning warrior and had one the best minds in war.
Revan's mask was a fallen female Mandalorian rebel who stood against what his face when he nuked that one planet. He somehow captured her final moments when he put on the mask and showed it Vrook who intercepted him and Malak when they landed on Dantooine.
Revan was male in the game and in the comic. Lucasarts has determined it's cannon for him to be male.
i dont think its a good idea to get too caught up in the kotor backstories etc, as they might well not be used at all in the TOR game, i think its been said before that SW:TOR is not KOTOR online.. which im quite glad about tbh as the kotor series of games were not very good imo, personal choice perhaps but unless your into jedi's their not really that much fun.
This is not a different story, it's a progression from KoTOR, and KoTOR: 'The Sith Lords'. What Revan and the Exile did, along with other party members are having an impact, if not will have directly effected the way that the events occured. Revan and the Exile disappeared, but what did they do? Or what did they fail to do. We'll find out.
Oh and the backstorys are there and you can see evidence of this already. Satele Shan. < Bastila's great...great grand-daughter? Perhaps Revans. Very likely Revans.
As for whether Revan was female or male. He was male. It's been said several times, hell I think Bioware even said it after being questioned.
As for the trailer, 'Decieved'. Decieved by whom exactly? Revan I think. I think in Kotor one after his mind was whiped he was a good guy. However it has been said that after the events he continuously remembered more and more of things he previously knew. Perhaps he remembered who he was, or why he was originally Darth Revan. Maybe he returned to report to the Emperor. Hence why that Sith Lord said 'You thought no force could challenge you'. Perhaps he was referring to their 'safe net' they felt after defeating the Sith and thinking that was it.
All this is speculation but that is one of the many ways it could go. Oh yeah, the masks in the trailer. Definately shows a link to Revan, because they are too similair to be coincidental. Maybe they wear them as a fear tool, I'm not sure.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Revan
There are many sources there which indicate that Revan is indeed a Man and that he did turn to the light side and blow up the Star Forge; this is considered the cannonical outcome of that event. What it doesn't say is what happened to him afterwards.
I don't believe Revan had any influence over TOR era sith. Seening that the current Emperor was alive long before Revan existed, you can assume that Revan, had he been a infilitrator from the true sith empire, would have merely been a foot soldier in comparison. The masks the ones in the cinematic were wearing were more likely a fear tool that coincidently looked like the one Revan used. If you look at the concept art for the various sith outfits, it would appear that Revan was influenced by the true siths getup and not the other way around.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei