The idea it has to happen by 2011 is an odd one. The Lotro MMO came out decades after the books were written and four years after the Return of the King film. I don’t see the time scale being a problem at all.
So get ready to put on your short trousers and go back to school in a few years time. I am not sure I will want to go mind you.
I am sure that my kid will love going to school and attending classes for fun.
Wait, what?
Haha classic!
The game does sound pretty cool to me though but I can see a few things wrong with it. The main one being that you'd need a sort of world level instances like in WAR. Afterall at one stage hogwarts will be run by death eaters and that wouldn't make sense to someone who is just starting to help out harry potter in his first year. Oh and I hated that about WAR.
DUDE! remember in the first book, Ron says to Harry about his duel with Draco, if your spell fails you can always punch draco in the nose . Mellee class, fails at spellcasting but can beat people up crabbe goyle style lol. Harry gets a bit rough occasionally too you know.
Why should the Harry Potter MMO(RPG) be exclusively about Harry P.? I see no particular reasons to stage a HP MMO "between the lines" of HP books. This will indeed put tons of strain on the Devs in question. Why not stage it after the books? Actually, there are hundreds upon hundreds of legal, gameplay and monetary decisions to make for such a MMO; only time will tell, who is sharper - Turbine or the posters here.
Why should the Harry Potter MMO(RPG) be exclusively about Harry P.? I see no particular reasons to stage a HP MMO "between the lines" of HP books. This will indeed put tons of strain on the Devs in question. Why not stage it after the books? Actually, there are hundreds upon hundreds of legal, gameplay and monetary decisions to make for such a MMO; only time will tell, who is sharper - Turbine or the posters here.
I totally agree . Although I play Lotro and think its a fine game I would have prefered Middle Earth Online set at a time before the events in the hobbit and the Lord of the RIngs trilogy . Such a game would have had far more scope and given the game far more freedom .
Given JK Rowling has signaled she intends to return to the series in 10 years time I guess any licence will be in the side story format so as not to clash with any possible sequals or prequals to the Harry Potter series of book .
I think a Harry Potter mmo will do well with the younger players . I would have loved it as a kid .
i hope Turbine do get develop this . Although they arnt perfect and the recent buyout by Warner has raised some eyebrows they are one of the better mmo developers out there .
yea great if your 8 years old. but im prety sure eula terms and conditions requires its gamers to be over 13years of age ???? though i could be mistaken, and no self respecting 13 year old kid will play a harry potter game.
sure the books and films where great, but the games are for the kids. there is no way in this world will i play an mmorpg charecter thats a kid. ive seen to many love scenes unfold between adult gamers toi sit their and watch child charecters get it on in a harrypotter game. no thank you!!!
yea great if your 8 years old. but im prety sure eula terms and conditions requires its gamers to be over 13years of age ???? though i could be mistaken, and no self respecting 13 year old kid will play a harry potter game.
sure the books and films where great, but the games are for the kids. there is no way in this world will i play an mmorpg charecter thats a kid. ive seen to many love scenes unfold between adult gamers toi sit their and watch child charecters get it on in a harrypotter game. no thank you!!!
hahahah harry potter mmo, hilarious
I'm still on the fence. I don't have any hate for harry potter and I think anything could work if devs put the time into it.
As mentioned the last few books have been more adult. I think someone else has suggested that you go thru hogwarts in lessons, so you start off as a kid and as you move to the next year, you'll grow older.
I think the lessons could work, you pick the skills you want to learn by signing up for classes. There you could play mini games and tutorials to use your magic. Every year there was something "big" happing to hogwarts that mixed with class projects, side storylines, sports and other activities to keep you busy until you graduate.
When you are an adult "18" then you would continue to level in an open world, playing the other half of the game.
Personally i'd like any big company to put their money into Micheal Moorcock's Elric books, an mmo set in the Young Kingdoms, now that would be worth waiting for!
Adults who enjoy Harry Potter.... thats a shame when there is literally 100's of masterfully written sci - fi and fantasy books out there.
I agree with you there. Myself I am a fan of Stephen R. Donaldson's work. But serious fantasy doesn't make good MMOs, it doesn't make good movies either, serious fantasy, or good literature in all forms for that matter, is too personal to ever be represented anywhere else as well as it is in your own mind.
High fantasy, say Dragonlance for instance, would make great MMO fodder because it's big, it's brightly colored and the lines of good and evil are plainly marked. Such it is with Harry Potter.
Some of us just have to learn to live with the darkness within rather than trying to find catharthis through becoming immersed in more morally ambiguous types of social games. The kids have crashed the party.
Of course this would be a great MMO idea....I call the Twilight MMO. 3 classes...Gay, stupid and a normal human. All conflict would be settled with long gazes or baseball...
The idea it has to happen by 2011 is an odd one. The Lotro MMO came out decades after the books were written and four years after the Return of the King film. I don’t see the time scale being a problem at all.
So get ready to put on your short trousers and go back to school in a few years time. I am not sure I will want to go mind you.
Well, on the other hand did the Matrix MMO not so well. It all depends if Potter will still be popular when the game releases or not.
Some books are timeless, like LOTR, Conan, Lovercrafts Mythos books. Others are very popular when new and then fades away.
What people will think of Rowling in the future is rather hard to say.
The world in itself can probably hold a MMO, it is broad enough and if the game is well made it will keep it's fans around no matter if Potter will be as popular as ever or not. If someone like Cryptic gets the IP it will soon be a goner no matter how huge the books are.
Will I play it? No, I think I rather will play World of darkness online instead.
At least two MMG developers have done preproduction for Potter MMGs in the past, going back eight or nine years now. You'll note there still hasn't been one released.
if it was a FTP not a P2P the issue of the target book audiece with "credit cards" is aliviated somewhat. And as we saw from the movies the "classes" are "fun" i think the key would be to make the classes "mini games" while the adventures would be instances and both would provide skills ups.
Either prersue skill though scholorour works (classes) or experience in the real world (adventures)
Well, of course the whole magic system would have to be made up for a game... since J. K. Rowling couldn't be bothered to devise one that made a lick of sense. Ever notice how 7 years of wizard training teaches you a couple of potions, how to water magical plants and care for magical animals, and a stock library of about 8 latinate phrases that produce an effect? (Three of which are completely forbidden, but seem to be used just as often.) Yet, the "magical world" is full of complex items, and sophisticated magics done simply for atmosphere. As far as I'm aware, no student ever learned how to do anything even remotely as big as floating a few hundred candles in the dining hall... yet somehow that's possible.
There's no payment for magical powers, only the ability to pronouce a couple of words and wave a wand correctly is needed. We hear about wizards of different strengths, but when it comes down to it, the stun blast of Draco Malfoy seems just as powerful as Mr. Potter's.
No, the hows, whys and wherefores of Harry Potter magic are completely open for a game designer to devise, as far as I can tell.
Ok i know this is a morpg portal but would it hurt you so much to just quote the Mana Khemia rpgs? xD, the last two academy life rpgs where quests take the form of tests, thats where you got the idea from rit? just out and say it, im sure 50% of the people who play morpgs also play rpgs, and even if they dont you can just quote the articles in wikipedia.
And yes i do agree that its possible, Mana Khemia is the living example that it is, ever since these rpgs were launched the dilema you are discusing of how to turn HP into a morpg has become a rather hollow question.
“Ever notice how 7 years of wizard training teaches you a couple of potions, how to water magical plants and care for magical animals, and a stock library of about 8 latinate phrases that produce an effect?”
So true, the books are a story where the ‘magic system’ made no sense. The hand of Deus Ex is seen very heavy here, you don’t want the pupils being able to do anything otherwise they could solve plot issues with magic. The best example of this for me was when they decided to change form so they could infiltrate the Slitherings house dorms. This took a month to produce, cue lots of side plot development. When they finally got into the dorm they found out nothing, total waste of time, but the opportunity for a funny episode. For Rowling magic is a plot device, not lore, so you have a hotchpotch of powers that don’t make sense. I am sure a MMO would sort that out though.
We will only need to worry about the 30 buck wand if it is F2P, lets just hope its not F2P.
Remember that the original book came out about 12 or so years ago. Saying that only 13 year olds would be interested in a series that's almost older than them would be very short sighted and ignorant to the fact that the original fan base is now around their 20's, and the books progressed in maturity over time.
I think this idea would be excellent.. a lot to iron out as far as an end game goes, but as long as it's set before the HP series, or preferably after, where none of the cannon characters were any more than basically guest appearances and legends.. it will work... If they trap themselves into a co-existing timeline of any sort.. bad juju
“Ever notice how 7 years of wizard training teaches you a couple of potions, how to water magical plants and care for magical animals, and a stock library of about 8 latinate phrases that produce an effect?”
So true, the books are a story where the ‘magic system’ made no sense. The hand of Deus Ex is seen very heavy here, you don’t want the pupils being able to do anything otherwise they could solve plot issues with magic. The best example of this for me was when they decided to change form so they could infiltrate the Slitherings house dorms. This took a month to produce, cue lots of side plot development. When they finally got into the dorm they found out nothing, total waste of time, but the opportunity for a funny episode. For Rowling magic is a plot device, not lore, so you have a hotchpotch of powers that don’t make sense.
Yes, exactly. It wouldn't bother me so much except that if you pay attention there are a LOT of inconsistancies in the way she handles magic throughout the series and I'm one of those nit-picky types who tends to yell at the TV and point out flaws in movies and books so that sort of thing is like Chinese water torture for me.
Of course it could all be sorted out in a MMO, not just the magic system but also the problems of what the players would have to do. But the point is that it in doing so the MMO would not only drift far from the IP but it would almost certainly lose the feeling and atmosphere of the books and movies.
A big part of the appeal of the story is the Cinderella / Rudolf the Red nosed Reindeer / Ugly Duckling thing. With Harry cast as Cinderella complete with evil Step-parents and sibling. It's unlikely that a MMO could provide that feeling for all the players and would seem rather silly if it tried.
Another part of the appeal is the discovery and aquisition of new power. You're a wizard Harry. This wand is the twin of Voldemort's wand, I think we can expect great things from you. Only really powerful wizards can create a Patronus Harry. And so on. Well, ok, MMOs have relied on progression forever so that would work. But leaning too heavily on that old crutch would put it right into the same mess as all MMOs where it all just becomes a grind to progress more and more and more and more...and it goes stale when a person realizes that that next great thing they are grinding towards will only lead to even more grind for the next great thing after it. So, it would work well enough just as it does in all MMOs but it would lead to that feeling which is so prevelant these days that it's just the same old thing again.
The third major appeal of the stories is the adventures and the sort of naughty sneaking around the kids do. Great fun, right? But in a MMO they would have to have enough of that sort of thing to provide constant adventures for the players and, again, this would send it far off the track of the IP. But they would have to do it. Well, here also the feel of the stories would get lost in the practical considerations of making a playable game. How many times can you sneak through the Castle after dark before it loses that tingly, naughty fun feeling? How many times can you venture into the Dark Forest before the allure fades and it becomes just another chore to do as you grind to get that next great thing for your power progression?
I am in no way saying that it would be impossible to make a game from the IP, even a fun game. What I am saying is that it wouldn't feel much like the books and movies. Fans of the series think of it in a vague sort of way, "Ooooo, I would get to play in the Harry Potter universe", and the general idea appeals to them greatly. But once they got in to the game I'm afraid they would discover that it wouldn't actually coincide very well with the vague sorts of notions rattling around in their heads.
Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but wanted to get it out anyway. Some people I know have been expecting a Harry Potter themed MMO for some time now, with this current Warner move it makes it even more possible, My thoughts are that you could do so much with the IP it wouldn't have to be limited to Hogwarts or the younger Magicians although starting off there wouldn't be a bad idea and moving on into the real world to fight against the followers of he who shall not be named, of course if you graduated from Slytherin you could be a follower of you know who. PvP to boot!!!
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The idea it has to happen by 2011 is an odd one. The Lotro MMO came out decades after the books were written and four years after the Return of the King film. I don’t see the time scale being a problem at all.
So get ready to put on your short trousers and go back to school in a few years time. I am not sure I will want to go mind you.
Haha classic!
The game does sound pretty cool to me though but I can see a few things wrong with it. The main one being that you'd need a sort of world level instances like in WAR. Afterall at one stage hogwarts will be run by death eaters and that wouldn't make sense to someone who is just starting to help out harry potter in his first year. Oh and I hated that about WAR.
DUDE! remember in the first book, Ron says to Harry about his duel with Draco, if your spell fails you can always punch draco in the nose
. Mellee class, fails at spellcasting but can beat people up crabbe goyle style lol. Harry gets a bit rough occasionally too you know.
Why should the Harry Potter MMO(RPG) be exclusively about Harry P.? I see no particular reasons to stage a HP MMO "between the lines" of HP books. This will indeed put tons of strain on the Devs in question. Why not stage it after the books? Actually, there are hundreds upon hundreds of legal, gameplay and monetary decisions to make for such a MMO; only time will tell, who is sharper - Turbine or the posters here.
I totally agree . Although I play Lotro and think its a fine game I would have prefered Middle Earth Online set at a time before the events in the hobbit and the Lord of the RIngs trilogy . Such a game would have had far more scope and given the game far more freedom .
Given JK Rowling has signaled she intends to return to the series in 10 years time I guess any licence will be in the side story format so as not to clash with any possible sequals or prequals to the Harry Potter series of book .
I think a Harry Potter mmo will do well with the younger players . I would have loved it as a kid .
i hope Turbine do get develop this . Although they arnt perfect and the recent buyout by Warner has raised some eyebrows they are one of the better mmo developers out there .
yea great if your 8 years old. but im prety sure eula terms and conditions requires its gamers to be over 13years of age ???? though i could be mistaken, and no self respecting 13 year old kid will play a harry potter game.
sure the books and films where great, but the games are for the kids. there is no way in this world will i play an mmorpg charecter thats a kid. ive seen to many love scenes unfold between adult gamers toi sit their and watch child charecters get it on in a harrypotter game. no thank you!!!
hahahah harry potter mmo, hilarious
I'm still on the fence. I don't have any hate for harry potter and I think anything could work if devs put the time into it.
As mentioned the last few books have been more adult. I think someone else has suggested that you go thru hogwarts in lessons, so you start off as a kid and as you move to the next year, you'll grow older.
I think the lessons could work, you pick the skills you want to learn by signing up for classes. There you could play mini games and tutorials to use your magic. Every year there was something "big" happing to hogwarts that mixed with class projects, side storylines, sports and other activities to keep you busy until you graduate.
When you are an adult "18" then you would continue to level in an open world, playing the other half of the game.
Personally i'd like any big company to put their money into Micheal Moorcock's Elric books, an mmo set in the Young Kingdoms, now that would be worth waiting for!
I agree with you there. Myself I am a fan of Stephen R. Donaldson's work. But serious fantasy doesn't make good MMOs, it doesn't make good movies either, serious fantasy, or good literature in all forms for that matter, is too personal to ever be represented anywhere else as well as it is in your own mind.
High fantasy, say Dragonlance for instance, would make great MMO fodder because it's big, it's brightly colored and the lines of good and evil are plainly marked. Such it is with Harry Potter.
Some of us just have to learn to live with the darkness within rather than trying to find catharthis through becoming immersed in more morally ambiguous types of social games. The kids have crashed the party.
Of course this would be a great MMO idea....I call the Twilight MMO. 3 classes...Gay, stupid and a normal human. All conflict would be settled with long gazes or baseball...
Well, on the other hand did the Matrix MMO not so well. It all depends if Potter will still be popular when the game releases or not.
Some books are timeless, like LOTR, Conan, Lovercrafts Mythos books. Others are very popular when new and then fades away.
What people will think of Rowling in the future is rather hard to say.
The world in itself can probably hold a MMO, it is broad enough and if the game is well made it will keep it's fans around no matter if Potter will be as popular as ever or not. If someone like Cryptic gets the IP it will soon be a goner no matter how huge the books are.
Will I play it? No, I think I rather will play World of darkness online instead.
I WOULD LOVE to play a Deadeater.....
At least two MMG developers have done preproduction for Potter MMGs in the past, going back eight or nine years now. You'll note there still hasn't been one released.
Frankly, I don't expect that to change.
if it was a FTP not a P2P the issue of the target book audiece with "credit cards" is aliviated somewhat. And as we saw from the movies the "classes" are "fun" i think the key would be to make the classes "mini games" while the adventures would be instances and both would provide skills ups.
Either prersue skill though scholorour works (classes) or experience in the real world (adventures)
Well, of course the whole magic system would have to be made up for a game... since J. K. Rowling couldn't be bothered to devise one that made a lick of sense. Ever notice how 7 years of wizard training teaches you a couple of potions, how to water magical plants and care for magical animals, and a stock library of about 8 latinate phrases that produce an effect? (Three of which are completely forbidden, but seem to be used just as often.) Yet, the "magical world" is full of complex items, and sophisticated magics done simply for atmosphere. As far as I'm aware, no student ever learned how to do anything even remotely as big as floating a few hundred candles in the dining hall... yet somehow that's possible.
There's no payment for magical powers, only the ability to pronouce a couple of words and wave a wand correctly is needed. We hear about wizards of different strengths, but when it comes down to it, the stun blast of Draco Malfoy seems just as powerful as Mr. Potter's.
No, the hows, whys and wherefores of Harry Potter magic are completely open for a game designer to devise, as far as I can tell.
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Ok i know this is a morpg portal but would it hurt you so much to just quote the Mana Khemia rpgs? xD, the last two academy life rpgs where quests take the form of tests, thats where you got the idea from rit? just out and say it, im sure 50% of the people who play morpgs also play rpgs, and even if they dont you can just quote the articles in wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mana_Khemia:_Alchemists_of_Al-Revis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mana_Khemia_2:_Fall_of_Alchemy
And yes i do agree that its possible, Mana Khemia is the living example that it is, ever since these rpgs were launched the dilema you are discusing of how to turn HP into a morpg has become a rather hollow question.
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“Ever notice how 7 years of wizard training teaches you a couple of potions, how to water magical plants and care for magical animals, and a stock library of about 8 latinate phrases that produce an effect?”
So true, the books are a story where the ‘magic system’ made no sense. The hand of Deus Ex is seen very heavy here, you don’t want the pupils being able to do anything otherwise they could solve plot issues with magic. The best example of this for me was when they decided to change form so they could infiltrate the Slitherings house dorms. This took a month to produce, cue lots of side plot development. When they finally got into the dorm they found out nothing, total waste of time, but the opportunity for a funny episode. For Rowling magic is a plot device, not lore, so you have a hotchpotch of powers that don’t make sense. I am sure a MMO would sort that out though.
We will only need to worry about the 30 buck wand if it is F2P, lets just hope its not F2P.
Remember that the original book came out about 12 or so years ago. Saying that only 13 year olds would be interested in a series that's almost older than them would be very short sighted and ignorant to the fact that the original fan base is now around their 20's, and the books progressed in maturity over time.
I think this idea would be excellent.. a lot to iron out as far as an end game goes, but as long as it's set before the HP series, or preferably after, where none of the cannon characters were any more than basically guest appearances and legends.. it will work... If they trap themselves into a co-existing timeline of any sort.. bad juju
Make it a themepark, and it will fail hard. Nobody wants to play the story of the books and films.
Make it a sandbox, where you can turn to the evil side after you've finished school and you've a winner.
Yes, exactly. It wouldn't bother me so much except that if you pay attention there are a LOT of inconsistancies in the way she handles magic throughout the series and I'm one of those nit-picky types who tends to yell at the TV and point out flaws in movies and books so that sort of thing is like Chinese water torture for me.
Of course it could all be sorted out in a MMO, not just the magic system but also the problems of what the players would have to do. But the point is that it in doing so the MMO would not only drift far from the IP but it would almost certainly lose the feeling and atmosphere of the books and movies.
A big part of the appeal of the story is the Cinderella / Rudolf the Red nosed Reindeer / Ugly Duckling thing. With Harry cast as Cinderella complete with evil Step-parents and sibling. It's unlikely that a MMO could provide that feeling for all the players and would seem rather silly if it tried.
Another part of the appeal is the discovery and aquisition of new power. You're a wizard Harry. This wand is the twin of Voldemort's wand, I think we can expect great things from you. Only really powerful wizards can create a Patronus Harry. And so on. Well, ok, MMOs have relied on progression forever so that would work. But leaning too heavily on that old crutch would put it right into the same mess as all MMOs where it all just becomes a grind to progress more and more and more and more...and it goes stale when a person realizes that that next great thing they are grinding towards will only lead to even more grind for the next great thing after it. So, it would work well enough just as it does in all MMOs but it would lead to that feeling which is so prevelant these days that it's just the same old thing again.
The third major appeal of the stories is the adventures and the sort of naughty sneaking around the kids do. Great fun, right? But in a MMO they would have to have enough of that sort of thing to provide constant adventures for the players and, again, this would send it far off the track of the IP. But they would have to do it. Well, here also the feel of the stories would get lost in the practical considerations of making a playable game. How many times can you sneak through the Castle after dark before it loses that tingly, naughty fun feeling? How many times can you venture into the Dark Forest before the allure fades and it becomes just another chore to do as you grind to get that next great thing for your power progression?
I am in no way saying that it would be impossible to make a game from the IP, even a fun game. What I am saying is that it wouldn't feel much like the books and movies. Fans of the series think of it in a vague sort of way, "Ooooo, I would get to play in the Harry Potter universe", and the general idea appeals to them greatly. But once they got in to the game I'm afraid they would discover that it wouldn't actually coincide very well with the vague sorts of notions rattling around in their heads.
Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but wanted to get it out anyway. Some people I know have been expecting a Harry Potter themed MMO for some time now, with this current Warner move it makes it even more possible, My thoughts are that you could do so much with the IP it wouldn't have to be limited to Hogwarts or the younger Magicians although starting off there wouldn't be a bad idea and moving on into the real world to fight against the followers of he who shall not be named, of course if you graduated from Slytherin you could be a follower of you know who. PvP to boot!!!
I loved the books and movies but i think it would not translate well into an MMO. It would most likely be the most boring MMO in history.
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