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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,445

    It is the easiest thing in the world to ignore a line of text and send a private message to someone explaining where they went wrong. It will only become an OOC drama if you want it to. Although I hear a lot about uber strict RP guilds I have never been in one. Perhaps that indicates the high standard I expect us all to follow, but then what do you want to set yourself a low standard for? I have never met anyone I would describe as a ‘rule breaker’, but casual and hard core certainly exist.


     


    If you think being good at something ss elitist that’s down to you. Are Olympic athletes, the world’s top businessmen and artists all elitist? If you are good at something, anything, don’t let those who are average drag you down to their level. We live in a society which favours the lowest common denominator more than individual genius, which is madness.


     


    I have never known a role-player to describe another role-player as lazy or an idiot. Jamie’s description of roleplay as some sort of down and dirty fight reveals she has some real issues with those she has roleplayed with. I don’t recognise what she is describing at all and it is sad she had to go through that sort of nonsense.


     


    But this is not the norm, I and I am sure most others can say that roleplaying wherever you find it is fun and well worth the effort.

  • MyDcmbr81MyDcmbr81 Member Posts: 59

    Originally posted by Noxulus

    Lol. Stick to reviewing games and leave the hard-hitting journalism to the pulitzer prize winners, please.

    ^ This.

     

    It's obvious that you have an axe to grind with RPers, and your statement of  "Heck, I roleplay" reminds me of a racist saying "Hey, I have black friends."

  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630

    I understand where the article is coming from, because I have met some extremely rude and insular role players.

     

    But let me say this in their defense. These are role playing games. They have their origin in games where everyone was an actual roleplayer. Then about 11 million people crashed their party, showed up in their type of game,  kicked role playing to the curb as an activity for oddwads, while they obsessed only about gear and loot and and leveling. This caused developers to stop caring about roleplayers, and focus their products on the party crashers.

     

    So yeah, they have a reason to be ticked off.  Considering how shabbily they have been treated, it's amazing they are as gracious as they are.

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  • GT3000GT3000 Member UncommonPosts: 13

    Looks like the RPers have some touchy nerves. White people.

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  • FarOutFishFarOutFish Member Posts: 52

    Originally posted by MyDcmbr81

    Originally posted by Noxulus

    Lol. Stick to reviewing games and leave the hard-hitting journalism to the pulitzer prize winners, please.

    ^ This.

     

    It's obvious that you have an axe to grind with RPers, and your statement of  "Heck, I roleplay" reminds me of a racist saying "Hey, I have black friends."

    You know someone realizes they are loosing the argument when the play the "Race Card.". It's a cheap trick which a suprising number of pople fall for.

  • BoneflowerBoneflower Member Posts: 91

    So exactly how are roleplayers (based on the original article) any different from any other group of players then? Oh...wait...they aren't. You could ascribe these traits and behaviours to any group or sub-group of players in games (or for that matter anywhere in life) and they would be just as valid.

     

    It isn't roleplayer characteristics you are describing, but human nature. Every group in life has its extremists and it's utter asses. Most groups are cliquish to some degree by the very nature of groups and sub-cultures. Singling any specific group out for this sort of article seems silly and gratuitous to me.

  • eyeswideopeneyeswideopen Member Posts: 2,414

    I would suggest that Jamie uninstall any mmoRPGs on her computer(s), and stick to singleplayer games and CounterStrike clones. She may also want to avoid ventrillo and other forms of chat. In fact, probably better if she just avoids the internet altogether ( better for her AND the rest of us ). This way, her potential to be butthurt and have to whine about it disguised as "writing" will be minimized.

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  • harnquistharnquist Member Posts: 13

    Jaime is right on. I think she must have spent too much time in PlaneShift. The number of RPers who popped up in this thread to defend RP is about right. RPers have this thing where they all believe that they are not the RPers that cause the problems. Then you get in game with them.

  • KithcaKithca Member Posts: 118

    Funny enough, this article reminded me of the SCA.

  • FarOutFishFarOutFish Member Posts: 52

    Originally posted by Kithca

    Funny enough, this article reminded me of the SCA.

    HEAR! HEAR!

    I will second that.

  • DisdenaDisdena Member UncommonPosts: 1,093

    Originally posted by harnquist

    Jaime is right on. I think she must have spent too much time in PlaneShift. The number of RPers who popped up in this thread to defend RP is about right. RPers have this thing where they all believe that they are not the RPers that cause the problems. Then you get in game with them.

    And what about those of us who are not RPers but popped up in this thread to defend RP?

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  • TanemundTanemund Member UncommonPosts: 154

    Every community has it's elitists, it's drama queens and it's asshats.  Being on an "RP" server isn't an innoculation against things which exist in the MMO community as a whole.  So I can't see calling out the RP community solely for what exists in the community as a whole.  That's not to say that the RPers don't have unique issues.

    The greatest damage to RP comes from homoginization.  MMOs are generally built around combat and to participate in the content everyone has to be a fearless adventurer.  No one is allowed to be deathly and irrationally afraid of worms to the point where they can't participate in the content.  So everyone is a battle hardened warrior of some kind who always casts the right spell/buff/heal at the right time or they'd find themselves sitting around with nothing to do in game.  Not even role players are willing to put up with in game incompetence, be it real or feigned.  Try RPing a crafter for once.

    Also you've got more jilted/unrequited lovers, wrongly accussed and wounded soul characters than you can shake a stick at in the role playing community.  Too many people seem to think that Role Playing is spewing a long tale of woe to everyone they meet.  Everyone is up to scheming for world domination or foiling some nefarious plot for world domination.  Murder, rape, kdnapping and death are every day occurances, sure, but they don't happen to the same people every single day of their lives.  But that's what you get in the RP world.  How about a nice RP session about eating your favorite breakfast or on how pretty the flowers are today?  Give the huge events a rest for a week.

    Then there is the incessant plague of vampirism that blights the RP world.  I'm sure it's only gotten worse with the advent of Twilight.  Thanks to that particular series the Vampire has been toppled from the lofty perch of baddest mother to stalk the night down to angst ridden emo kids who fall in love with their food.  (Thank the gods the Wolfman is still out there tear assing around the woods at night killing the unwary, spiking babies off the ground and generally ruining everyone's sleep.)  But where ever you go on whatever server you're bound to run into the vampire (probably spelled VampYre) squad walking around IN BROAD DAYLIGHT!  Every other vampire should be required to fall on a stake and re roll as a tax collector or a dentist.  You know ... something thar really scares the bejebus out of everyone.

    Then there is the group who gets into RP for the sake of trying to get some action.  You know cyb0rz.  The crew who runs around with their virtual fly unbuttoned.  Yet somehow this whole lascivious crew runs riot and no one gets pregnant or gets a social disease. 

    Finally there are the emotional black holes who are into RP to deal with their own real life issues.  They suck everyone around them into their vortex of despair and moodiness.  The wounded butterfly crowd convinced that the world is responsible for their lot in life and instead of escaping it in game they bring it in game under the guise of role playing and use every dungeon crawl as a group therapy session.  A good rule of thumb is if your character is dealing with the same kind of angst you're dealing with in Real Life, delete the character and start over.  I know gaming is cheaper than therapy, but come on.

    I'm sure there are a bunch I missed.  However before anyone gets to feeling at all superior remember that these types exist in all facets of the community and there is a good chance you've been in at least one of these catagories more than once and probably this week.

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  • DracondisDracondis Member UncommonPosts: 177

    Watch out, Jaime.  A few of these guys look like they want to start writing columns for MMORPG themselves.  You might be encouraging your own replacements.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,063

    Hrmm, didn't think people really did any serious role playing anymore, haven't seen many games that really support it well.

    I did dabble in it a bit back when I played DAOC about 5 or 6 years ago, was part of Shadowclan and while not many people role played, we always stayed in character both within the clan and to the outside world.

    Rare did we go OOC and that was only in private tells, and we had to use the official 'language' and alphabet.

    That said, they were a great bunch of guys and I didn't run into any of the problems mentioned in the article.  Sure, sometimes I'd be corrected for incorrect language, but never in a mean way, only someone trying to be helpful with my diction.

    Guess there's a darker side to the whole RP scene, though I would think a quick /ignore would pretty much solve any issues you had with a disturbed individual or group.

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,445

    Try the European RP servers in Lotro and AoC if you fancy giving RP a go again.

  • DawngreeterDawngreeter Member CommonPosts: 60

    Role Playing in MMOs is mostly an excersize in futility. If the simple act of playing the game breaks RP immersion, what's the damn point? And this is the case in almost every single MMO. The issues Jaime mentions in the article arise from such a set of conditions where a RP community needs to not only do the role playing, but also enforce arbitrary rules they themselves invent and modify on the fly, because anyone simply playing the game can not be interacted with normally.

    Which is why EVE rocks. I RP, you don't, we play the game together and it works well for everyone.

  • TolrocTolroc Member UncommonPosts: 111

    Originally posted by FarOutFish

    Originally posted by Kithca

    Funny enough, this article reminded me of the SCA.

    HEAR! HEAR!

    I will second that.

    Thirded! My mother was very active in the SCA and seeing what she went through made me want to never join that organization.

     

    "There are also many who become falsely attached, who forget that sacred wall between in-character and out-of-character dealings. They suddenly latch on to you, demanding all of your time, attention, gold and leveling services to the point they will throw a fit and threaten to do unspeakable things if you don't oblige them. Worst of all, they will try and turn you into the villain if you don't cave into their sudden, secret emotional needs for someone to give them all the attention they demand, so they can continue to dwell in a fantasy world where you might actually give a damn about them."

     

    I had this experience with someone in my LOTRO kinship. This person was very emotionally needy and became upset if you were not constantly grouping or chatting with them. They really drained you emotionally, and it got to the point I didn't want to play anymore, because this person was there everytime I logged in. Fortunately, they ended joining another kinship, of perhaps more like minded people.

  • KylrathinKylrathin Member Posts: 426

    For every hardcore RPer as you have described them that exists, there are 5000 PvP griefers who have no other interest than to make you their own personal content.  It's easy to get rid of an RPer like those you describe, I've done it a few times - just come up with an in-story reason why you can no longer communicate with them.  There's no (legal) way to take the douchebag out of a griefer, though.

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  • RakothRakoth Member UncommonPosts: 11

    So who did you come on to, and get rejected by, on Moon Guard this time, Jaime?

  • EvasiaEvasia Member Posts: 2,827

    Well its obvious you have bad experience with role-players and now vent here how bad they are and even hate them.

    What you think when you join a roleplay server not to role play?

    Or roleplayers dont mind when you role play?

    Its same with join a pvp server when your carebear and then whine and cry why they attack you and not leave you alone.

    Op your whole topic about role play is silly and sad.

    If you have bad experience dont blame roleplayers blame yourself for not have the discipline to roleplay or dont understand why people roleplay on a roleplay server is your mistake not theres.

    I realy btw dont understand why you have so manytimes these problems ingame with many things ive read in your topics while i myself play sinds 99 mmo's and almost never have these problems and im also rather fanatic mmo player.

    Prolly you play wrong games for wrong reasons it seems?

    Learn to adept or blend in instead vent your frustration on forums or just dont join servers play styles you dont like, seems simple to me, is my advice OP.

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  • twinmill5000twinmill5000 Member UncommonPosts: 24

    O M G ;_;

    What happened?

    I'm a roleplayer, and a damn hardcore one, albeit a hardcore forum roleplayer, and nobody I've roleplayed with (that's a lie, there's... 3 people) were elitist, and none of them were mean about it... in WoW roleplays too! ... Which usually died after the first few pages or when the plot went nowhere because you never should make a WoW roleplay without first knowing what happens after a certain point-- say: Nexus. All I knew was that it was pretty at the time.

    Thus, I come to conclusion that forum roleplaying, as long as you're fluent in a language (i think lol.there doomb) is at least a better place to start out due to its open endedness and overall, from my experience, much nicer group of people not looking to cyber. Well, all roleplaying's good, because the elitists who are caught up in their own little world can literally go to hell until they come to terms with what they are, or write a 30 page backstory for one of their characters. Or a novel. Novels are good too. Then, maybe, they'll learn that they're not the best of the best, even after that.

    Ayegh. I gotta get into MMO Roleplaying, because it encourages, no, forces me to use dialogue on my characters. Seriously, my favorite character ever concieved of, after almost 2 years, is finally developing a voice, and even then it's not what I'm really shooting for. Poor Arika.

    Oh god, though, I wonder how Arika will fare in WoW-- at best she's a strong vampire that no, doesn't glow, if I reveal the least. At worst... well you'll just have to find out.

    I end this post on one statement that I never thought would apply to RPers too, seeing as the most elititst people I knew would at least be friendly and help people, and yes, sometimes complain, and yes, sometimes start debates about rules to better ensure good RP etiquette. They were good, friendly people, thuogh. Maybe it's because the board I started on wasn't afraid to ban repeat offenders to the basic rules of writing (capitols lol :D).

    Oh, right, the statement: Fuck Elitists. Help your kin god fucking dammit, and quit your bitching when they make a mistake with the lore or something. It takes effort to help them, but it's worth it. *Holds up a trembling middle finger* Ah, I should cough up the money for WoW again and start helping. Even though I much prefer typing actions fragment.

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,445

    You certainly should not let one bad experience put you off anything. I remember a girl I knew telling us about how she started at a rowing club which she thought was a going to be a nice knock around on a lake. When she got there late she was met by an arse of a guy who clearly thought the club events were an army drill and he was the Sergeant Major. She got a funny story out of it to tell us all, but she never tried rowing again. Like I said to her, OK forget that club but don’t give up on rowing. Same here really.

  • Mellow44Mellow44 Member Posts: 599

    Originally posted by Disdena

    Originally posted by harnquist

    Jaime is right on. I think she must have spent too much time in PlaneShift. The number of RPers who popped up in this thread to defend RP is about right. RPers have this thing where they all believe that they are not the RPers that cause the problems. Then you get in game with them.

    And what about those of us who are not RPers but popped up in this thread to defend RP?

    Yeah right.

    You typed all those posts in defense for something that you don't care for?

    /facepalm

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  • twinmill5000twinmill5000 Member UncommonPosts: 24

    Patience, little-stoned-puppy, patience.

    Be too quick to jump the gun and you'll fail to realize how diverse people can be... and you'll end up being the cause for many more facepalms.

    lol I had to say that, even if it's more along the lines of nerdy-socially-awkward humor.

    People that put themselves above others put me in a bad mood.
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